Topic: Quality War ( Europe vs China and India ) (Read 596 times)

I could tell you that one of my friends looked for a place to get something done in bulk and china was still the best offer, even during the pandemic, not because they were cheap but they were agreeing to use the material that my friend requested for a much cheaper price, so he was getting that high end quality with that material used but also he was getting it cheap.

Now there were two other options, one was India as you might imagine, they said they could do a lot cheaper than china, but also use another and worse material, however my friend really thought about it because that material wasn't like horrible but just wasn't high end, if you gave Chinese version 90/100 this was 70/100 so he really considered it. Belgium also offered that same 90/100 material but was almost 4x the price, so obviously that was a bad choice. Take whatever you can from that.

China often sells low quality goods abroad, as the Buyers request low prices, and Chinese factories use non-expensive materials and supplies to take the order and have some profit. It's very typical of them.
But the inner market is strictly regulated and the goods must meet state standards.

If we are talking about products, then China loses because if I am right, they still produce their products based on quantity rather than quality, I do not know much about Indian products but I suppose that these countries need to cater their population with their quantity rather than focusing on quality because on practical standpoint, the constant production of short term products yield a better profit rather than long term.European products vary per country so we can't point out whether they win.

China is interested in Africa, because raw materials that are needed to manufacture the electronic appliances mostly come from that continent. I am talking about metals such as Cobalt. Chinese companies now own most of the mines and extraction facilities in Africa and they export the mined ore to China, where they are processed and incorporated in to finished products.

I got some familiarization about European and Chinese products and what I can say they were all pretty impressive. Knowing Europe as one of the Western nations that have great access with modern technology and skillful workers to take on good productions of goods and services, no doubt that what they can produce is a good quality of product. In terms of China which is one of the largest and richest country in Asia which is the Eastern region of the world do also have a great access on modern technology that is why some mechanicals are being assembled in China added by the fact that they do have a large mass of working force because of great population that offers small amount of payment. With India, I haven't ever tried or see any Indian products yet so I cannot state any for the quality of products they produce.

When it comes to quality, there is no doubt that Europe can produce a high grade quality of products for Western nations are known for that. In China, they can do also the same thing but knowing Chinese people, they are up into gaining profits that's why they tend to focus more on quantity over quality. But they can do also produce high grade products but since the labor payment is low and they focus on creating more quantity of products, the quality is mostly being compromised which makes it a general idea that products made out of China is a low quality one.

It doesn't matter what they are claiming here because not until we see that Great effect in their economy still this claim will be a nonsense story.

if you watch this thread you will find the advantage of europe now against US so what more to india ?

but china on the other hand is proving their capacity in controlling this virus and as we know the game here,the first country that first eliminate the virus will be the first to move forward.

that same thing maybe they have already the vaccine they just dont wanna share it  because of this scenario.

Being a regular visitor to India, I can confirm this. It's not just about coding and programming. Even in the manufacturing sector, the overall productivity is very low. The productivity of an Indian laborer or a factory worker is much lower when compared to someone in the same profession in China. They take much more time, and in the end the overall quality is not satisfactory. On top of that, every now and then they have the tendency to go on strike and destroy the factory infrastructure in the name of protests. An example here:

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/5-years-on-deadly-riots-still-haunt-Maruti-Suzuki

And this is the main reason why so few companies are moving their manufacturing units to India, despite the government going all out attracting them.

There is a discourse that in a few years there will be a shift that Europe will be flooded with products made in Africa due to China's OBOR program in Africa. What China is doing in Africa now is copying what the United States did in China in the 90s. Chinese manufacturing will produce semi-finished goods for the African industry and the Chinese industry will begin to target the market for high quality goods as a form of shifting of Chinese manufacturing from the cheap goods industry to the high end goods industry at more competitive prices.

It is true that Chinese products are less durable and their lifespan is much shorter as compared to standard products but sometimes you don't need durable products for example there are dustbin bags which you don't want to have of superior quality since you are going to just use them once and then dispose it.

I agree that Indian products are firstly not used worldwide and they are neither too cheap nor they are premium quality so Indian products fail to capture big market share as neither they attract the poor sector not they have the quality to satisfy the high end customers.

European products are superior no matter what someone says that is the bitter truth for them. But if you compare them price wise then sometimes Chinese products despite having inferior quality wins the race.

That is because India is far behind in terms of technology and education and hence the average Indian you find for your project would always be working more hours and he would have less technical/coding skills because of the education gap and while Indian guys would work for cheaper prices they would always take more time which basically means the work done is the same.

I have seen some amazing guys from India so can't say that everyone is bad and in fact Satya Nadela the CEO of Microsoft is Indian but that is only because he is born in India but took his formal education from US.

I am not really that familiar on any product coming from India so I cannot state anything on the quality of the products it has. But regarding on European and Chinese products I am pretty familiar on those most specially on the products from China since I came from an Asian country so basically, we are on of the countries where their products are being traded and imported. When it comes to European products, what I can say is that they are really good in quality since Western countries are well-known to have good quality products compared to Asian. But the exception is Japan since they own a high technology that is why their products do have high quality as well that can be comparable to Western countries.

The main thing and concept that comes into the mind of people most specially for people who have already tried and owned products from China is that products do always come in low quality. Well that is basically true. But still there are good qualities of products coming from their country. It just so happen that people patronize low cost products coming from China since it is affordable that is why they are getting low quality products as well. What would you expect to get a high quality product with a cheaper price? That is quite impossible at this time because if you want high quality product, then you can have it if the price is right.

It's easy to say about war but in my own analysis, it also bothers us even if we don't care any of their dispute and it is too far, how if there is a faulty bioweapon which is exploded towards us, so I think there is no exemption at that time when war is actually happening inside and outside by the country, therefore, this not a joke if the European attack China and India, it is possible that economic crisis has been unstoppable to increase.

The product quality do not matter to them as long as they are making profits and manufacturer a lot of product. Chinese people are not aware about the quality of products that they have, they are only aware about the possibility of the consumer to buy their products again and again.

Maybe, that includes in their marketing strategy, that's the reason why although it is cheaper, I guarantee you that the product will not lasts longer. While, Indian products are almost the same with Chinese products, but India is focused on perishable goods that they are selling in the market.

Competition makes it good cheaper with better quality. War is not a good thing unless it benefits all the people around the world. Right now, we only have one enemy, and its the COVID. The commercial fight between US and China as well as China vs India is making things cheaper and easier to buy. As I have heard, many Western products are imported from Asia at a very cheap price. And then they pump the price up to 500% for profit and taxation.

According to recent movement, many factories from several countries are leaving China. They aim to build new factories in Vietnam, Thailand, etc. I believe that this behavior will make our economy stronger. The less powerful China is, the more flexible the world will be. The international equitable economy is what we are aiming for. Freedom will give everyone chances to improve either themselves and their civilization

Actually I am not from any European countries because I currently reside in Asia. But I have heard of the products from Europe which I can say that they are really of a high quality since Western countries are also well-known for good quality products. With regards to quality of products between India and China, I have tried and known many products coming from China but from India, I haven't even try one so I cannot say anything about that.

Products of China are known to be generic in a concept that they are of a low quality which I mostly heard from my fellow men here in our country and that is what the general thought that came in whenever they saw or heard that a product is "Made from China". But little they do know that most gadgets and technologies coming from Western countries are being assembled in China because of small cost of labor and have advance technology to do such task. What I can say is that products coming from China do have quality not that poor and not that so good. It is just in between. The problem is that people just have generic identification of China's products to low quality because of rotating murmurs and rumors making a bad impression about it.

Actually it is normal whenever you buy in the market that if you pay for a low cost, expect to get a low quality of product. Maybe those came from China because of small cost of labor and massive production of products. But there are still good products you can buy in good quality but of course with a higher price. It just shows the rational relationship of price to quality. Good price then good quality, low price then low quality.

The problem is that China is dominant over this stuff, that if they messed up and so does everything will be messed up too. I've seen some videos from China, and seeing their factories amazes me it is huge and full of workers, and found a separate video of chinese workers doing their job like no one else can. Can we based this on nationality? - NO, but rather on how strict you are to your employee the more open you are to them they will take the job for granted. Make money hard to earn.

The quality of living matters here, $1 is just like $3 for the americans, they are paid for more than $50 per day for a day of work unlike in asian country that could only costs $12 minimum.

Quality and everything rightfully belongs to the Japanese, I think. They really excel in craftsmanship and all aspects of production so I think, no contest and without any doubt, they are the masters of craftsmanship. Though for comparison between the 3 countries, the Europeans really have some quality products on their side, followed by India and lastly China. Don't get me wrong, the Chinese are basically the producers of almost all raw materials needed for most things, but their final products are really just too bad that most people often ignore using them. India on the other hand, has some good products but they are very few, or are seldom exported to other countries. Bottomline is, people can choose whatever they want, and unsurprisingly, they are getting knock-off brands from China since it serves them the purpose of what they want done. There isn't any problem to me personally as long as one thing does what it's intended to do, even if it's fake or cheap or low-quality. It may break faster than the original but seriously, China has upped its game when it comes to production so I guess its products will have more reliability compared to what it has years back.

You see the ego problem has hit you as well. I mean maybe they are making better or inferior products or maybe not but they are neither forcing you to buy them nor you are liable to buy their product and this ego is the main problem in the market right now.

China we all know make products that are cheap and once you buy products that are cheap you are going to compromise with the quality and I do not see any problem with it.

I don't understand why people are so egoistic based on their country or region because you are blessed you are born there doesn't mean you humiliate people who are born in other parts.

Hmmm... When it comes the country that makes better products, I will probably give it to Japan, I believe they make strong and durable products. I am not from any of these countries, but I have used products that came from them and based on what I have seen, there is no doubt Japan is definitely the best thing. The thing with European products is that they are usually costly, well... They are usually worth the extra bucks. As for Chinese and Indian products (I rarely see products made in India, it’s mostly made in China), they are always cheap but they do not last for a long time.

I heard that recently India is trying to take the place of China in terms of supplying basic and raw materials and equipment but not sure India will be capable of that. China is leading in that industry due to their population and big land area and dictatorship government whereas India is having only big population which makes them unable to compete against county like China.

It has been mentioned, but I'll put it out there again. A lot comes down to price point.
China can and does produce some high quality items.
But, as the quality increases so does the price. You need better materials to start with, better machinery to build it, better trained / more skilled workers. Etc.

So if you want the cheap version $5.00 item for $1.00 then yes China can do that for you. If you want the better made higher quality $5.00 for $5.00 they can do that for you too. Same as anyplace else.
And then they will kick your ass anyway because between China / India / the entire Asian area they have much higher population then Europe / North America / etc. So they can do the mass production thing and get costs down just due to the larger market.

-Dave

Despite the fact that India and China produce huge numbers of engineering and industrial study every year, China quality cant match up with the European but I dont understand the reason why @Shasha80 believe the Chinese product to be more quality than the European product when statistics shows that 2.3 Million or more of the Chinese professional workers moved to Europe especially France.

Thats because they are the cheapest product in the marker which serves as perfect alternatives. Ask yourself, why most things we buy today not better than the 19's ?

No, they are never reliable and it like BTC versus Altcoins.

Mass productions wise, China have lower labor cost the very reason for businesses to import but quality wise european made is far better.


It's almost everywhere, china made products are being adopt by more companies nowadays.


Even it's branded the quality is really more reliable with products that being manufactured from european countries.

I'm quite aware with European products but haven't used them as much as I had with Chinese products. With my experience with Chinese products, well, some of them really suck. Yeah, not all, I have some items here that I bought several years ago that, fortunately, I'm still enjoying up until now. Not tryin' to support them or anything, but even though the market of the country I'm residing in were pretty much controlled by poor Chinese products, still they can make/produce a good one, and you cannot exclude that away with them.

However,  if I had to choose between the two. Well, I'm in favor of European products, as I haven't heard any issues of them making a low quality products unlike China that have been in many news for ages.

that all can determine what they want to do with their own desires without anyone else can forbid.
because all decisions are in the possession of money that may determine. what everyone needs is certainly different and that is a natural thing.

I agree with your opinion that quality is certainly different from quantity, what you are looking for will determine where you want to go next.
in quantity obviously China is more dominant and you can get it at a friendly price.
but if you are looking for quality, of course you will go to Europe and the US because there is the center, but must remember that more funds are needed to get it.

Quantity, not quality.

Maybe they just forgot about that.
Most services that need jobs to be finished fast go to India.
Most products that need to be produced in huge amounts go to China.

If its quality you want, you don't go to both of them.
Or, you will need to pay again for a Quality Analyst which is difficult to find.
The better option is to pay higher and expect quality and quantity.

Quality is important and there is no doubt about it. But who will purchase a quality product, if the pricing is very unaffordable? Electronic items such as Apple iPhones are being regarded as status symbols and a lot of people purchase them for that purpose. But IMO, they are very much over-priced. A smartphone from the Chinese brands, having the same specs can be purchased at 1/5th or 1/6th of the price of an iPhone. And the quality of these phones are not that bad. They may last only 2 years average, compared to 5-6 years for an iPhone. But even considering that, the latter option represents a better deal.

China has never objected to being an imitating nation, China is also relaxed with the nickname of a country producing cheap goods, China also ignored the ridicule as a communist country with an authoritarian system. For China to imitate it was the beginning of success, from copying to modifying and finally being able to innovate. Besides the fact that Chinese goods are indeed accepted throughout the world despite being known as low quality goods.

China is not the most benefited by the corona pandemic. In fact, China is disadvantaged by the disruption of global supply chains because China is the world's manufacturing center at the moment for finished goods and semi-finished goods which are components or raw materials for other countries' industries. Besides that China is not the creator of the world economic system, so it cannot reset the world economy. China only saved the pass from Trump who couldn't control the game.

Quality... we had quality before, when everything was made to last! Today nothing is made to last, it's made to look good and to last year or two, after that you will have to buy another one. Consumer based society, what else to say about that?!
Quality can be found in little businesses, handicrafts, homemade products, when people made for themselves, and they have something for selling. They have quality, and in most cases they are more expensive of course!

With the Chinese mass production, I can say that we don't have any choice but to buy Chinese products because that is available everywhere in my country and its really cheap. Also, there's an expensive item to buy like Nike or other things, but if you see its manufacturing details you'll see that it is made from China and that didn't make sense to buy expensive things. Indian products are best only to them, I didn't know my country are importing goods from them maybe aside oil but other than that China dominates our market.

And here comes an illiterate European who would just counter everything by saying no no we are great see this youtube video. I gave you 5 arguments and your best answer was? You eat with hands you are unhygienic 😂grow up man there are companies who claim to kill 99.99% germs from your hands. So what's the problem in eating with hands if your hands are clean?

Your second point, It's just 5% of the population which does this poop on beaches/public places and that is not due to choice but due to poverty. It's not that a person wakes up and thinks that let's go to beach today for a poop. And atleast you don't talk about toiletry hygeine you people don't even wash after sitting.

But point of the post wasn't this. You just don't understand things spy. Leave it if you can't debate on facts and are going to debate on youtube videos. Coronavirus has clearly depicted how great Europe is.

The advantage of Chinese products is the cheap price, but of course the quality is much better European products.
All customers in the world acknowledge this, I come from a poor country so many use products made in China.
And I am also satisfied with the quality, but that does not make the quality of Chinese products better than Europe.

If you are talking about the smartphone sector, then no other brand can give you the same quality that Apple (iPhone) offers. So if you want the best quality, then you go for this American brand. Xiaomi started off as a budget smartphone brand. But they have rapidly expanded in to the other niches. I haven't got a chance to use Mi Note 10 till now, but I have heard very good reviews for that phone. Same with their TVs as well. My friend is using their 65 inch 4k UHD TV and he's quite satisfied with the quality.

China products are cheaper but quality? No, most of their product made like disposable once damage then you need to buy again. Besides, because it is cheaper the material being used compromised. China has the worst product here in our place but the most in demand because other products are expensive compared to them. Indian products i bet not too strong like japan and us products especially when it comes to equipment.

Well put my friend, its all like you've said.
And I think we should pass this time of being in "war" or "race" with other countries, because thats not what each person needs.
Being in war is about playing games of governments.
But countries are just a bunch of random people with same genes in their bodies. They want to feel safe, they want to be happy and so on.
And ask anyone from any country if he/she wants to be happy - the answer is yes.
Ask anyone from any country again if the war is what we need - most probably the answer is no.

In my opinion depending on the products and services compared, when talking about car and fashion I think Europe products
are better in quality compared to china and india products. Like Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Ferrari, Lamborghini are European
cars with very good quality. Likewise like Gucci, Hermes, Louis Vuitton, Dior, Chanel are the best fashion brands from Europe that
have the best quality. In my opinion food products are better in China and India in quality.

The reason this happened is that China's economy has advanced very rapidly and unevenly. 1) There are people living and working in big cities, travelling abroad, living in the same way as the Westerners. 2) Equally, there are people living traditionally on the land with a lifestyle that has not changed for centuries. If you have just #1, then likely no Covid19. If you have just #2, then likely Covid19 develops but stays limited to a very specific very local area in rural China, and dies out. It's #1 and #2 together that caused the problem. Not saying it's impossible to have a global pandemic without both factors, we've obviously had them before, bubonic plague etc, I'm just saying the combination of both factors makes a pandemic much more likely.


People in authority have a tendency to lie about numbers. China, US, UK, most nations.

I'm not an Indian, I'm laughing at this right now lol.

And I'm laughing at you with this, it is okay to eat with bare hands even here in my country we do that, did your grandfather told you that God created Adam and Eve with spoon and fork? haha eating with bare hands in other countries is part of the culture and if you respect one then you'll be welcomed.  What I find wrong in eating with bare hands is if it is dirty, that would look dull and disgusting to every one.

You should not be basing with this video lol you did not even visited the India yet, there are Indians who can buy you yacht.

Unforuntaely Europe is not so united to pull on one string and face off against China and India together. In terms of population the difference is huge with more than 2bn people on side. Luckily China and India are in a border conflict. The chances for the two countries to work together are fairly low at the moment.

If Europe works together with USA there would be a chance

You guys poop on beaches ... and you eat with your hands ... you Indians should be the last persons on earth that give morals about hygiene ...

Here is the proof 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixJgY2VSct0

Practically if we go by your theory that Covid did exist from start of 2019 then imagining that China was the inception place is almost a vivid imagination. Because in one year virus might have spread through so many carriers that predicting a source country is impossible.

Research of that person eating bat was based on facts that all of this starting in December in china and later we discovered covid was present in Italy in start of December too has already debunked that theory. I am not defending China but your theory is hollow dont give two contradictory opinions.

Secondly, if we go by conspiracy theories then you will find tons of them about how US created Aids etc. Not to forget about colonies and what not wars fought by USA in every small country. If you think it was someway better than communist you are mistaken

Thirdly, i am not talking about the spread of Coronavirus but the way it was handled and number of deaths. You can see russia and India too on top of the list but calculate the death rate and compare it with Europe. Italy boasted of world's best healthcare system.

Fourthly, in India most of the population don't even touch any kind of non vegetarian food and follows a perfect vegetarian diet so should we consider ourselves superior than Europeans? No? Then what kind of superiority are you getting over Chinese by eating chicken and sparing a dog? People have their cultures developed over a long period of time and do see the history why chinese started to do that. There is a study on that too.

Europeans and Americans have long been in some sort of hype about their supermacy. Now if two new countries whom they labelled third world are actually beating their Economy they are talking about protectionism.

It is true that Chinese products really raised the bar in that budget/best buy segment, and they do offer a lot for the money. I personally use few Xiaomi products (scale, Xiaomi Mi Box and Smartphone) and I am generally satisfied with the quality, especially considering the price, their products are really good value for the money. But if I want top quality, I have to look elsewhere. At least for now, unless they tackle that part of the market too. I remember times when Samsung phones were considered crappy and cheap, when Nokia ruled the market, and we can see now how situation changed.

I have bolded the term "partly" because that is just one of the many reasons.

Labor is not that cheap in China, at least when compared to the other Asian nations such as India, Bangladesh and Indonesia. Wages have grown over the past few years and now average wages for a factory worker in China stands at least 100% higher when compared to those in India or Indonesia. So why the companies continue to prefer China? There are many reasons.

First of all, an average Chinese worker is much more productive when compared to other people. Being an Indian, I have no reluctance in saying this. Here in India, I have seen foreign factory owners cursing the local workers, for their lack of work ethics and enthusiasm. Another factor that gives China advantage is the lack of red tape. This is a very big issue in countries such as India. And finally, environmental and other regulations are not that strict in China and this gives an advantage to those companies which deal with hazardous and toxic waste.

Are you kidding with this statement ? Covid was spreading long before it was discovered probably from the start of 2019 .

And where did covid start ? China

Why ? Do to fact some Chinese guy decided to eat bats ...

Why we don't see more cases in China ? Do to fact commies always lie about numbers ... My country was a  communist country before 1989 .. we know what a communist is capable of  doing...lying

In Europe we shake hands with people,we hug and kiss our women a lot do to fact it's a cultural thing here for over a millennia ...that's what spread the virus  ...

In Europe we don't eat dogs and bats like Chinese do ... Nothing that a Chinese will make i will ever touch or buy as long as i live , this the punishment they deserve for creating the pandemic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1HH1-ozS_A

China make most of the world's products, partly because traditionally labour has been cheap there, and partly because it is a big, highly populated country. As China gets wealthier, this will no longer be the cheapest labour market... but the vast vast infrastructure they have built up over recent years should ensure that they remain the world's production hub. Nowhere else comes close.

World's busiest 10 container ports (data only available to 2018) by number of containers (thousand TEUs):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_busiest_container_ports

There are couple of ambiguities in your statement. First of all this is not who economics work at all. Secondly if Europeans were capable enough to offer better goods and services then rest of the world. Then the industrial hub might never have shifted to USA and later China. Every market is not the same. Europeans are 10 years ahead in technology and the per capita income is much higher thereby they can afford products with higher quality which obviously come with a higher price tag. While developing economies like China India have consumers who don't mind sub par quality products when they are available at cheaper price. So the respective countries manufacturers make the products as per the needs of their customers. It's not that Europeans are great or Chinese/Indians are great. It's about understanding the consumer sentiment this is the reason why top investment funds are investing lile billions in China/ India not only in Europe.

Moreover Europe's response to Coronavirus situation has clearly demonstrated how illiterate and unready Europeans are when it comes to hygeine and healthcare. There were enormous amounts of death only with meagre cases.

In Europe/US people are going to prefer local/Japanese/Korean brands instead of the cheap Chinese brands. But in developing nations such as India, the Chinese brands now have a near-complete monopoly in the electronics market (TVs, mobile phones.etc). And one thing that I would say is that the Chinese brands will never be able to compete with Japanese brands such as Sony and Panasonic. But they have narrowed their gap with the Korean brands, such as LG and Samsung. I have used Chinese (Xiaomi) and Korean (LG) brands, and I can confirm this.

I don't agree that production in large volumes will necessarily mean reduction of quality. This is never a truth acceptable by manufacturing companies which truly value their brand name, products' quality, and customer's satisfaction over profit or money.

Unfortunately, large international brands are moving to China due to cheap labor and raw materials as well. They are after a larger profit. But it doesn't mean that they cannot match China's production capacity. If they will to, they can.

As a rule of thumb, if manufacturers' goals are to export as many units as possible they will sacrifice quality, and sometimes dramatically.

A large part of the global supply chain is in China, so if you manufacture things in other countries, certain parts can't be made in as large batches as if they were manufactured in China. It brings screw production in Apple's Texas plants to mind, very low compared to if they were produced in China.

I beg to disagree.

While Hisense, TCL and Xiaomi are decent TVs, especially in the budget range, if you want top quality, you will still go for Samsung, LG and Sony (not necessarily in that order of quality). Those Chinese brands still can't match them.
Here in Europe people are still mostly buying those proven brands, while only those that that are looking for budget options go for Hisense and other similar budget friendly brands.


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While situation on TV market can certainly change in the coming years, I still hope that those top brands will survive and won't end up like Pioneer and Panasonic, who once had best TVs on the market but people rather chose cheap crappy lcds instead quality.

China sells what the market needs, not what the market likes. While India is trying to catch up and emulate China with progress, development, and super-fast growth.

When we are going to import something, in a sales contract there is such a thing as a good specification and term of the agreement, as long as the exporter and importer have agreed on the two points above and price, then there should be no more debate because both parties have agreed. The evolution of China, from a plagiarist country to a country that is expert at modifying and now a country with innovation, can show that China is indeed a great country with whatever slogans the market needs, China can provide. And even more ridiculous, it is understood that China is good at making low-quality, low-cost goods, but many countries still have trade deficits with China.

India, although it has long been instilling technology-based education from an early age but like the Tigers who lost their fangs, and I think India is far behind China.

There is something worse: Indian tech support.

I use a lot of Chinese products and their quality can range from good products, like Xiaomi electronics, or total garbage fake crap like a lot of the power banks, batteries, cables and connectors that come from China. As for the EU products, most of them are still made in China, just assembly and quality check is done in the EU. All plastic molds and stuff come from Asia, same as all components like capacitors, circuit boards and such are usually Chinese, even in US/EU made products.

India will have its success as well. Xiaomi is by far one of the best phone brand today. It just doesn't have the marketing of Huawei its right there made by the Chinese. Over the years of manufacturing the products, they eventually arrive a standard that will compete products from elsewhere.

Just look what type of cars are shipped to Europe and even in US. They are Asian cars built for American size for thier leg rooms like Toyota Camry.

Being from India, I am not going to defend the products from my country. I admit that we still have a long way to go. Until 10-15 years ago, products from China had a reputation of being low-quality and less-durable. But they managed to change that, even while keeping the products very much affordable to the customers. I don't know whether India will be able to repeat the success of the Chinese.

Let's take an example of televisions. Earlier, the best quality TVs came from Japan, from brands such as Sony and Panasonic. When the Chinese companies started producing LED TVs, they were not very well received. A lot of people complained about the low quality. But a few Chinese brands such as Vu, Xiaomi and Hisense managed to change all that. They improved the quality of their products, without increasing the price. Now the rival brands such as Sony, Samsung, and LG are facing bankruptcy.

They can say that because they both have the largest population here in the world and their labor is much stronger than other country. Being a 1st and 2nd with largest population will surely take advantage of their labor to produce and make a lot product, and that's the reason why their economy is strong.


That's the only thing that they lack although they have a lot of manufacturers but the quality is not that guaranteed. Most of the materials that they used in their products are very poor quality but they are affordable that's why the demand is high.

i don't know about India but the thing about Chinese is that they have been aiming to maximize their target customers as much as possible. that means they are producing as many product as possible with as big a range of quality as they can.

it is from top quality hence higher price targeting customers demanding higher quality and have the money to pay for it. which are usually from developed countries.
down to low quality crap hence the lower price targeting customers that don't have the money for it, which are usually from under-developed countries.

this also includes producing parts to complete products and making all other countries including developed countries heavily depend on them.

that is how they are overtaking the world.
the "war" is already lost, the rest of the world just hasn't realized it yet

Honestly if we are to go by the standard of goods and services rendered by the aforementioned counties against their European counterparts, the European goods and services will definitely outperform theirs. We can see how most part of Asia and Africa are still living abject poverty. They can only afford substandard goods and it is only Indians and Chinese engineers that are ready to manufacture those type of goods to meet their demands and wants.

Honestly, the Indian and China products cant matchup with the European products in terms of quality. Besides, the reason why China and India seem to gain more the affection of companies and group is because of their tax level which is not as huge as the EU.

in Europe kind of all is made by Standard ... if someone sells Chinese toys in my country all i got to do is report him ... then they make lab tests and they will find out that Chinese used carcinogenic plastic ... his biz will be closed and get a fine ...

You can't even burn the EU flag if your british do to EU standards 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQRg7wH_FC0

You're true AFAIK most of Indian cars doesn't have airbags, it's pretty dangerous IMO. In a simple accident, it will make a lot injuries or even death!

While in european cars they have airbags as a standard, to make it more safety to ride.

Ferrari,Bugatti,Lamborghini,Maserati,Renault,Skoda,Opel,Seat,VW,Audi,Dacia,Maybach,Citroen...and many others and GHE-O

No, they are not and we should not accept a fact that is based on nothing and that is actually false.
A good example is this:
https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503
A lot of things are not actually made in China but just assembled there.

Second and more important, if everything is made in China
- the US and the EU have an almost 30 trillion economy
- China exports just 1 trillion to these countries
Where is the rest?

If everything is made in China, why do they import 100 billion of equipment, machines, vehicles and electronics from Germany alone?
If China exports 2.2 trillion in the world and everything is "made in China" what happens with the 1.4 exported by Germany?


What I actually notice from that table is that
Asia     has:     49,261,267  vehicles
Europe has:     21,130,694  vehicles

Taking into account that Europe has 1/7 the population I think we're doing pretty good, right?
Contrary to the myth that "everything" is made in China.

You could have mentioned Mercedes company he'd keep shut.

 

I've never used a European goods before except a language imported by them; so I'm going with the Indians and the Chinese because I'm more familiar with their goods and services.

Are you kidding with suzuki .... ? Are you comparing does junk cars with european cars ? ....  you should really do a google search on european cars...

Well if you notice what brand of cars we use today are mostly from Asia. Suzuki cars are made in India. It may be owned by Japan but its created in India. And of course, where else do they assemble and make cars today but in China. In the list are Toyota, Honda, Ford, Nissan, Hyundai, and Mercedes.

You can check it here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production

No need for war in this.

No one can make everything better then everyone else. Usually only one is the best. Like Luka Dončič is best basketball player. But he is not also best soccer player. HE is good soccer player. HE is good at any sport, because he is a sport talent but he is simply not the best soccer player on the world. It is almost impossible to be best in few different sports. So as it totally impossible to be a country that produce all products best.

I'm neither from both countries but is this a good idea that starting a war I think no but before we give my opinion. Stating a war does have a full of agreement what are the dos and don't and restriction to their war also who are the country accepts this agreement like who agree and disagree with those war for the countries. Okay, now back to my opinion I think this is not a good idea because right now we have this pandemic outbreak and some of the people and those are countries involve to the war right now are not a fully recovered to this spreading virus there are a lot of people right now are infected and healing their selves with the use of facilities and I think this is chaos when this will happen.

China is one of the populated countries and India and I think they cannot bring war with Europe because those are in third world countries which is the largest and richest country right now even we are facing this problem.


China are good for duplicating the products and using other materials and release to the marker with the low price and this is one of the reason why china known for this kind of process.

Everything is made from China, and we can accept that fact, but if were talking about quality. I dont think they could match up with Europe at all. Even though, Im not from that Country, I have cousin working there and everytime he comes back in our country, he always bought us quality products.

China thinks they could somehow dominate the market, well for the Indian case, Im neutral about them but they arent comparable to Europe yet. But I love their Indian food their special curry spicy ones.

There are nothing worse in the world than indian guys code

Economies are not generally segregated like that. Products made in India/China by Indian/Chinese workers are often produced by and to specifications designed by European or US companies. I don't see the point in trying to create tension between different parts of the world. It's just xenophobia and jingoism. Western products are often made in China because it is cheaper to do so. Economies of scale make transport cheap on those vast container ships. If you want the exact same product to be produced in Europe, it will cost more but for the same quality.

I am neither from Europe nor am I very familiar with Europe products' quality but I am 100% sure that in this kind of war China will lose and lose miserably. I would even go as far as to claim that my country's local products can match in terms of quality against China products.

For quite a while, China products are almost equated with mass-produced, substandard, disposable, cheap, easy to break, and even dangerous to use due to certain chemical components.

I'm not from Europe, I am an Asian. But, I am not infavor with China nor India.
And definitely, I am not infavor with war. Its not the solution of the problem right now.
And we are not the enemy of each other. The Virus is our invisible enemy that we need to fight with. We need to set aside the self interests or the other country's interests. What matters now is to find the Cure for Covid-19 and save the lives of the people in the world. Peace be with you and your whole country ✌Stay safe 💕

My Fellow Europeans

Indians and Chinese are telling me that they make better products and offer better services then us ...

What do you say to them ?

“Strike first. Strike hard. No mercy.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkOUfrnSNSs