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September 08, 2019, 07:07:18 PM
#31
Theymos is more intelligent than most of the people here. He knows Trust system can not ever be perfect. But, he needs to have one to manage the unruly mob. Moreover, he has successfuly created a trust market.

How does a "trust market" benefit Theymos? I don't understand your point.

I missed this question of yours. The more valuable things theymos can create in this forum, the more people will be attracted here. Why? Because they can trade those valuable things. Forum is acting like a market and theymos is the supreme authority of that market. Now, what are those valuable things created by theymos? Rank, trust and merit.

As I said ~4 years ago, "Theymos is more intelligent than most of the people here." Wink
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September 16, 2015, 05:04:39 AM
#30

Yeah of course, Tomatocage is more mature and honest compared to Quickseller. Now I don't know if QS will stay active under his 'main' account or will use another alt.




QS isn't his original account nor his first one. Going by the way he has been selling accounts from the time he was a part of this forum makes me believe he has been stalking this place and he has learnt a lot about the rules, ways to get on the DT, getting in good books of people out here, not getting banned inspite of having SO MANY ALTS and earning a reputation. He seems much more knowledgeable than we THINK he is.

Snake in the grass comes to mind. Or like a hydra-snake hybrid because of all the alts. Tongue
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September 16, 2015, 12:06:49 AM
#29
Ask BadBear or Theymos about our IPs. They should be the same for the most part. I mean if he were my alt, wouldn't I have at least tried to hide it with a proxy?
Of course not, why would you? No rules were broken when you were escrow for yourself your roommate.

Why exactly did your roommate never attempt to complete that sale, nor posted after you posted from the wrong account?

I'm not sure how many times I have to say it, but extraKrispy is a totally separate person.
I think you said you were the same person one or two times.

legendary
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September 14, 2015, 04:19:27 PM
#28
Vod & dooglus most likely know each other IRL. So, dooglus will never remove Vod.

I've PM'ed him maybe twice - once when I first added him to my network, and again when there was some discussion that he was throwing around negative trust too lightly. But it turned out that the people he was leaving negative trust for almost always turned out to be scammers.

Other than that I don't know him. I certainly never met him in person.

Theymos is more intelligent than most of the people here. He knows Trust system can not ever be perfect. But, he needs to have one to manage the unruly mob. Moreover, he has successfuly created a trust market.

How does a "trust market" benefit Theymos? I don't understand your point.
hero member
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September 14, 2015, 03:03:36 PM
#27
TC, the only person blaming you is Quickscammer.  The community supports you.  (95% anyway lol)
That is not true (the part about me blaming TC).

There are something's more important then winning an argument and we can just leave it at that...

You going to tell your parents that same thing when they have to deal with consequences because of your actions?
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September 14, 2015, 02:52:40 PM
#26
TC, the only person blaming you is Quickscammer.  The community supports you.  (95% anyway lol)
That is not true (the part about me blaming TC).

There are something's more important then winning an argument and we can just leave it at that...
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
September 14, 2015, 02:30:10 PM
#25
I'm kinda fed up with fighting for others. Because, I know, nothing is gonna change.

I agree with you.  I've had three PMs with Dooglus - certainly don't know him in real life.  Smiley

I'm out of this thread - take care.
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September 14, 2015, 02:26:13 PM
#24
Nopes. Vod is not TC's alt. But, Vod is on DT because of TC. HotFat has already untrusted Vod. Now, dooglus & TC are Vod's DT sponsor. If TC gets out of DT, Vod will lose his level 2 power. Hence, Vod wants TC in DT.

All facts.  Why the anon account?
So that you can not use your DT position to destroy my real account for pointing out your hypocrisy.


No hypocrisy.  Everything you said is true.  You should try standing behind your words like I do.  Smiley
You better try to respond to the threads & PMs where you are called for about your abuses...


Nopes. Vod is not TC's alt. But, Vod is on DT because of TC. HotFat has already untrusted Vod. Now, dooglus & TC are Vod's DT sponsor. If TC gets out of DT, Vod will lose his level 2 power. Hence, Vod wants TC in DT.

All facts.  Why the anon account?
So that you can not use your DT position to destroy my real account for pointing out your hypocrisy.
That is your choice. However, if Vod did that (which he probably wouldn't because he is a pretty fair guy), you could point out that that would be trust abuse.
Vod & dooglus most likely know each other IRL. So, dooglus will never remove Vod. Vod has done many trust abuse before. Those were pointed out. Nothing happened. Reason ? He also correctly pointed out some scammers. Same is true for both QS & TC. QS has just been outed. TC & Vod are gonna abuse DT for days to come. As long as people are coming to this forum and pageviews are increasing, theymos has no reason to pay attention to these things. Theymos is more intelligent than most of the people here. He knows Trust system can not ever be perfect. But, he needs to have one to manage the unruly mob. Moreover, he has successfuly created a trust market. So, this is gonna continue. I'm kinda fed up with fighting for others. Because, I know, nothing is gonna change.
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September 14, 2015, 02:06:29 PM
#23
Nopes. Vod is not TC's alt. But, Vod is on DT because of TC. HotFat has already untrusted Vod. Now, dooglus & TC are Vod's DT sponsor. If TC gets out of DT, Vod will lose his level 2 power. Hence, Vod wants TC in DT.

All facts.  Why the anon account?
So that you can not use your DT position to destroy my real account for pointing out your hypocrisy.
That is your choice. However, if Vod did that (which he probably wouldn't because he is a pretty fair guy), you could point out that that would be trust abuse.
Vod
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 02:06:00 PM
#22
Nopes. Vod is not TC's alt. But, Vod is on DT because of TC. HotFat has already untrusted Vod. Now, dooglus & TC are Vod's DT sponsor. If TC gets out of DT, Vod will lose his level 2 power. Hence, Vod wants TC in DT.

All facts.  Why the anon account?
So that you can not use your DT position to destroy my real account for pointing out your hypocrisy.


No hypocrisy.  Everything you said is true.  You should try standing behind your words like I do.  Smiley
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September 14, 2015, 02:01:50 PM
#21
Nopes. Vod is not TC's alt. But, Vod is on DT because of TC. HotFat has already untrusted Vod. Now, dooglus & TC are Vod's DT sponsor. If TC gets out of DT, Vod will lose his level 2 power. Hence, Vod wants TC in DT.

All facts.  Why the anon account?
So that you can not use your DT position to destroy my real account for pointing out your hypocrisy.
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September 14, 2015, 01:52:58 PM
#20
Yes, what about me? I'm not sure how many times I have to say it, but extraKrispy is a totally separate person. He did live with me at one point though, so I escrowed for him because it was convenient and the fastest option. Since he was literally about 15 feet away, there was little chance of me running off with his coins. All the deals that I escrowed for him were done with the same procedures that I'd do for any other deal (although I may have waived an escrow fee or two), so it was no different than if I he were 1500 miles away. We never conspired to pass on an extra escrow fee to the 3rd party or anything like that. Ask BadBear or Theymos about our IPs. They should be the same for the most part. I mean if he were my alt, wouldn't I have at least tried to hide it with a proxy?

My situation is kind of hard to prove from either side of the argument, so I can understand the skepticism. However, I think a lot of people are making a bigger deal about it than it really is. I'm more interested in looking out for actual scammers.
Okay.

Firstly, I'd like to note that I'm only taking this stance because I want to learn more about this situation. Not because I'm opposing anyone. But I'd like to know why you posted via extraKrispy's account, and not yours. Did he ask for you to do so?
Vod
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 01:49:15 PM
#19
Nopes. Vod is not TC's alt. But, Vod is on DT because of TC. HotFat has already untrusted Vod. Now, dooglus & TC are Vod's DT sponsor. If TC gets out of DT, Vod will lose his level 2 power. Hence, Vod wants TC in DT.

All facts.  Why the anon account?
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September 14, 2015, 01:47:32 PM
#18
QS has been under fire for escrowing for a secret alt, but no one has really been pointing TC out for doing the same thing for his alt. In fact, TC even added positive trust to his alt while QS didn't.

I have had a strong impression that both escrowing for yourself and adding positive feedback for your alts are both extremely frowned upon; the latter especially because TC is on DT.

So what's up? Why isn't TC being pointed out? I didn't read through every single page of the 31-paged thread, so forgive me if the answer is somewhere there.

TC admitted to doing it once for his roommate, who was in the other room.

Plausible and believable explanation, and he certainly didn't try to hide the fact, like Quickscammer did.

Lol for his roommate, do you really fucking believe that? TC seems to be treated like god around here

Vod are you an alt of TC?
Nopes. Vod is not TC's alt. But, Vod is on DT because of TC. HostFat has already untrusted Vod. Now, dooglus & TC are Vod's DT sponsor. If TC gets out of DT, Vod will lose his level 2 power. Hence, Vod wants TC in DT.




I think it is because he actually admitted it, both when he was caught and when it came up during the discussion about QS. However, unlike QS, he did not attempt to cover it up and did not try to continue to argue against it and just accepted that he was caught. It also seems like that was a one-time thing whereas it seems like QS was doing it repeatedly.
I dont know, how a member caught cheating can be on DT 1 because of admitting the cheating. So, if TF admits that he stole the coins, he will be re-added in DT ?
Vod
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 01:28:59 PM
#17
TC, the only person blaming you is Quickscammer.  The community supports you.  (95% anyway lol)
legendary
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September 14, 2015, 12:52:54 PM
#16
QS has been under fire for escrowing for a secret alt, but no one has really been pointing TC out for doing the same thing for his alt. In fact, TC even added positive trust to his alt while QS didn't.

I have had a strong impression that both escrowing for yourself and adding positive feedback for your alts are both extremely frowned upon; the latter especially because TC is on DT.

So what's up? Why isn't TC being pointed out? I didn't read through every single page of the 31-paged thread, so forgive me if the answer is somewhere there.

Yes, what about me? I'm not sure how many times I have to say it, but extraKrispy is a totally separate person. He did live with me at one point though, so I escrowed for him because it was convenient and the fastest option. Since he was literally about 15 feet away, there was little chance of me running off with his coins. All the deals that I escrowed for him were done with the same procedures that I'd do for any other deal (although I may have waived an escrow fee or two), so it was no different than if I he were 1500 miles away. We never conspired to pass on an extra escrow fee to the 3rd party or anything like that. Ask BadBear or Theymos about our IPs. They should be the same for the most part. I mean if he were my alt, wouldn't I have at least tried to hide it with a proxy?

My situation is kind of hard to prove from either side of the argument, so I can understand the skepticism. However, I think a lot of people are making a bigger deal about it than it really is. I'm more interested in looking out for actual scammers.
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September 14, 2015, 09:37:39 AM
#15
I think it is because he actually admitted it, both when he was caught and when it came up during the discussion about QS. However, unlike QS, he did not attempt to cover it up and did not try to continue to argue against it and just accepted that he was caught. It also seems like that was a one-time thing whereas it seems like QS was doing it repeatedly.
He gave an half admission to self-escrowing, when the reaction by someone was negative he backtracked, when he was called out on the obvious lie he admitted to self escrowing, then backtracked again. This was when the overall sentiment of escrowing for oneself was extremely negative.

When I was denying escrowing for myself the overall sentiment of this practice was that it was no big deal.....

How is this not the opposite to what you said
legendary
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September 13, 2015, 12:24:23 PM
#14

Yeah of course, Tomatocage is more mature and honest compared to Quickseller. Now I don't know if QS will stay active under his 'main' account or will use another alt.




QS isn't his original account nor his first one. Going by the way he has been selling accounts from the time he was a part of this forum makes me believe he has been stalking this place and he has learnt a lot about the rules, ways to get on the DT, getting in good books of people out here, not getting banned inspite of having SO MANY ALTS and earning a reputation. He seems much more knowledgeable than we THINK he is.
Vod
legendary
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September 13, 2015, 12:18:26 PM
#13
Now I don't know if QS will stay active under his 'main' account or will use another alt.

If QS and TF are indeed two separate people, seeing QS's reputation, he would be foolish to not just abandon the account and take the 20btc.   Undecided

legendary
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September 13, 2015, 12:16:00 PM
#12
The reason is that TC admit to it while QS dint. Don't know if TC did tell the other party that he was the escrow and the buyer/seller but he did mention about it while QS kept lying, abusing, faking a ban, calling out other DT members and taking money from TF (which is more than a shady thing to do).

The two did wrong by self escrowing but QS has been having a shady reputation since the time he has joined the forum. Selling accounts, Selling DT account, putting false allegations on anyone who criticizes him (calling 95% people scammers), having a "I"M THE BEST or I"M GOD" kinda attitude, appearing greedy, abusing people and now self escrowing and faking a ban is the worst of all.


Both TC and QS aren't scammers but TC has been an old member of the forum while QS has been always involved in controversies and been accused of negating anyone without a solid proof. Not to forget his joining date and him trying to go overboard to catch scammers (makes him look too good when he isn't). TC's ratings have mostly been accurate and I've rarely seen threads that accuse him of negating them without any solid proof.

Yeah of course, Tomatocage is more mature and honest compared to Quickseller. Now I don't know if QS will stay active under his 'main' account or will use another alt.
legendary
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September 13, 2015, 12:12:24 PM
#11
The reason is that TC admit to it while QS dint. Don't know if TC did tell the other party that he was the escrow and the buyer/seller but he did mention about it while QS kept lying, abusing, faking a ban, calling out other DT members and taking money from TF (which is more than a shady thing to do).

The two did wrong by self escrowing but QS has been having a shady reputation since the time he has joined the forum. Selling accounts, Selling DT account, putting false allegations on anyone who criticizes him (calling 95% people scammers), having a "I"M THE BEST or I"M GOD" kinda attitude, appearing greedy, abusing people and now self escrowing and faking a ban is the worst of all.


Both TC and QS aren't scammers but TC has been an old member of the forum while QS has been always involved in controversies and been accused of negating anyone without a solid proof. Not to forget his joining date and him trying to go overboard to catch scammers (makes him look too good when he isn't). TC's ratings have mostly been accurate and I've rarely seen threads that accuse him of negating them without any solid proof.
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September 13, 2015, 11:34:39 AM
#10
I am just aware of Quickseller and his current allegations against him. Not aware of the discussion over TC,but I am also not neg repping either one of them,although I think QS has some serious flaws in how he goes about business.
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September 13, 2015, 11:00:15 AM
#9
I think it is because he actually admitted it, both when he was caught and when it came up during the discussion about QS. However, unlike QS, he did not attempt to cover it up and did not try to continue to argue against it and just accepted that he was caught. It also seems like that was a one-time thing whereas it seems like QS was doing it repeatedly.
legendary
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September 13, 2015, 09:10:55 AM
#8
QS has been under fire for escrowing for a secret alt, but no one has really been pointing TC out for doing the same thing for his alt. In fact, TC even added positive trust to his alt while QS didn't.

I have had a strong impression that both escrowing for yourself and adding positive feedback for your alts are both extremely frowned upon; the latter especially because TC is on DT.

So what's up? Why isn't TC being pointed out? I didn't read through every single page of the 31-paged thread, so forgive me if the answer is somewhere there.

TC admitted to doing it once for his roommate, who was in the other room.

Plausible and believable explanation, and he certainly didn't try to hide the fact, like Quickscammer did.

lol what was the point of escrow if the other party was in the other room, other than to fake trust in a way and decieve ?
those who negged qs and did not do the same for tc are a bit on a double standards it seams
Vod
legendary
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September 13, 2015, 08:55:21 AM
#7
QS has been under fire for escrowing for a secret alt, but no one has really been pointing TC out for doing the same thing for his alt. In fact, TC even added positive trust to his alt while QS didn't.

I have had a strong impression that both escrowing for yourself and adding positive feedback for your alts are both extremely frowned upon; the latter especially because TC is on DT.

So what's up? Why isn't TC being pointed out? I didn't read through every single page of the 31-paged thread, so forgive me if the answer is somewhere there.

TC admitted to doing it once for his roommate, who was in the other room.

Plausible and believable explanation, and he certainly didn't try to hide the fact, like Quickscammer did.

Lol for his roommate, do you really fucking believe that? TC seems to be treated like god around here

Vod are you an alt of TC?

Nope.  Proud to say I have no alts.  Smiley
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September 13, 2015, 08:52:34 AM
#6
QS has been under fire for escrowing for a secret alt, but no one has really been pointing TC out for doing the same thing for his alt. In fact, TC even added positive trust to his alt while QS didn't.

I have had a strong impression that both escrowing for yourself and adding positive feedback for your alts are both extremely frowned upon; the latter especially because TC is on DT.

So what's up? Why isn't TC being pointed out? I didn't read through every single page of the 31-paged thread, so forgive me if the answer is somewhere there.

TC admitted to doing it once for his roommate, who was in the other room.

Plausible and believable explanation, and he certainly didn't try to hide the fact, like Quickscammer did.

Lol for his roommate, do you really fucking believe that? TC seems to be treated like god around here

Vod are you an alt of TC?
legendary
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September 13, 2015, 08:49:13 AM
#5
I think the Tomato thing was a 1-time deal and he admitted it right away.
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September 13, 2015, 08:47:04 AM
#4
The OP was intended to be for QS.
The TC apeared later. You can see that he also receive negative trust.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=37522
But you can see that QS has -4, while TC has -1; QS was removed from DT, while TC is still there; and overall, I haven't seen a single thread about TC. So I decided to create one.

TC admitted to doing it once for his roommate, who was in the other room.

Plausible and believable explanation, and he certainly didn't try to hide the fact, like Quickscammer did.
I won't comment on this because I have mixed feelings about this explanation. I will let other users voice their opinions before taking a stance.
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In math we trust.
September 13, 2015, 08:41:03 AM
#3
The OP was intended to be for QS.
The TC apeared later. You can see that he also receive negative trust.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=37522
Vod
legendary
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September 13, 2015, 08:38:59 AM
#2
QS has been under fire for escrowing for a secret alt, but no one has really been pointing TC out for doing the same thing for his alt. In fact, TC even added positive trust to his alt while QS didn't.

I have had a strong impression that both escrowing for yourself and adding positive feedback for your alts are both extremely frowned upon; the latter especially because TC is on DT.

So what's up? Why isn't TC being pointed out? I didn't read through every single page of the 31-paged thread, so forgive me if the answer is somewhere there.

TC admitted to doing it once for his roommate, who was in the other room.

Plausible and believable explanation, and he certainly didn't try to hide the fact, like Quickscammer did.
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September 13, 2015, 08:34:33 AM
#1
QS has been under fire for escrowing for a secret alt, but no one has really been pointing TC out for doing the same thing for his alt. In fact, TC even added positive trust to his alt while QS didn't.

I have had a strong impression that both escrowing for yourself and adding positive feedback for your alts are both extremely frowned upon; the latter especially because TC is on DT.

So what's up? Why isn't TC being pointed out? I didn't read through every single page of the 31-paged thread, so forgive me if the answer is somewhere there.
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