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legendary
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October 21, 2023, 09:17:47 AM
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"JollyGood" I don't know why I got negative. I have already said that I do not have an alt account.
You received a negative tag from me because your _Hiloveua_ was the prime beneficiary of the fake word game that was created by your deadsea33 account to award merits to your farmed accounts (including the _Hiloveua_ account).

Can you tell if my account is connected to any other account?
I can tell, that is why I gave it negative trust.

My mistake was I was in deadsea33's word game. As far as I know there is nothing wrong with participating in such games.
No, the mistake your deadsea33 account made was to rig the game in order to ensure in the majority of cases nobody else was in a position to post the answers before any of his farmed accounts could. The sheer number of merits involved and the dates/times/threads they were awarded speak volumes:



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12th September 2023 must have some special meaning from deadsea33 to your _Hiloveua_ account because in the space of under 7 minutes you received 28 merits on 22 different occasions. That sort of prolific merit distribution in under 7 minutes has probably never ever happened in the history of this forum since the merit system was introduced.

Having said that, there are some suspicious activities by other members in that thread (and elsewhere) but for reasons I will not explain, I decided to not tag others (for now at least) beyond the following accounts:  _Hiloveua_ , Rbolisna and Ripon9909.

Moreover, deadsea33 is definitely committing a crime but why should the participant be punished for that.
Because the evidence available points to merit abuse.

Can you tell how these accounts are alt accounts? I always respect DT members but this kind of act is really not acceptable. "JollyGood" will answer these questions.
I have answered these questions.
legendary
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October 21, 2023, 05:59:54 AM
#53
Moreover, deadsea33 is definitely committing a crime but why should the participant be punished for that.
Can you tell how these accounts are alt accounts? I always respect DT members but this kind of act is really not acceptable.
The fact that deadsea33 was a hacked account even makes this story of merit abuse and account farming interesting and believable. I mean, what other better motive could an account stealer/buyer like deadsea33 have other than create a merit awarding game where he can stealthily try to farm his little accounts that can later join signature campaigns?
The merit distribution patterns also check out, this can not be a coincidence.
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October 21, 2023, 05:24:05 AM
#52
"JollyGood" I don't know why I got negative.
And I don't know how you got all of those merits, but I could wager a pretty good guess.  Since you obviously did not deserve them (no matter what you're claiming about participating in that moron's "game"), you're getting another red trust from me.  Enjoy.  Shitposters like yourself are supposed to be suppressed by the merit system, and when that fails the only tool left to combat parasites like yourself is the trust system.  I wish it weren't so, but it is.

I don't usually tag merit abusers, but since you called attention to such an egregious case of merit-giving gone wrong by bumping this thread, I'm more than happy to add to JollyGood's paint job.
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October 21, 2023, 04:53:35 AM
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it's so obvious why you got the negative tag from JollyGood mate.
@_Hiloveua_

Total 28 correct answers from round 14 to 24. 28 merits sent.
@ deadsea hasn't posted since after he gave you this merit and since then you have been active and also joined a signature campaign.


"JollyGood" I don't know why I got negative.  
Moreover, deadsea33 is definitely committing a crime but why should the participant be punished for that.

this shows that you were both in on this. I wonder how come no one noticed that you actually received the remaining merits from @ deadsea33 which he had promised you( that's if you aren't one of his alt). And he did rank you up to a full member. I think that was the whole point about that thread it's so obvious that any one could see this. I also remembered seeing @ deadsea wearing a signature and now he removed it and  currently isn't wearing any. that maybe because he already ranked the _Hiloveua_ account to full member so he could use that instead.
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October 20, 2023, 10:11:53 AM
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"JollyGood" I don't know why I got negative. I have already said that I do not have an alt account. Can you tell if my account is connected to any other account? My mistake was I was in deadsea33's word game. As far as I know there is nothing wrong with participating in such games.

Moreover, deadsea33 is definitely committing a crime but why should the participant be punished for that.
Can you tell how these accounts are alt accounts? I always respect DT members but this kind of act is really not acceptable. "JollyGood" will answer these questions.
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hugeblack already stated that he feels the _Hiloveua_ was using an online translator in the local language board and is not a native speaker. If true that too could open a different can of worms when analysing the accounts in questions.

As you mentioned it, I also noticed the _Hiloveua_  account asking for merits therefore the intent the account owner/operator has for the account is clear. Eventually he will have to give up on the account just as the deadsea33 account because there are too many people watching and at least one tag (from me) will be given very soon.

If he has accumulated a few merits from a giveaway that he finds easy, he will need more merit to participate in the subscription company. As you can see, he has already applied for a donation of merit in the appropriate thread. But what's next?
To participate in subscription companies, he needs at least some knowledge. Posts in the WO thread are not counted by managers. And in the Arabic local section, his posts often consist of a retelling of events with a link provided.
I think the user himself should now understand that a lot of eyes are directed at him, and there would be less fuss if he did not "develop" his alternative account so noticeably. But he made a choice, thinking that he was the smartest of all.
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I have not had the appropriate time over the past few days to give this matter more time but I will definitely find time. I have already decided on several accounts which will be tagged. As mentioned earlier, I will tag all of the accounts at the same time that I feel have participated in merit abuse.

If he has accumulated a few merits from a giveaway that he finds easy, he will need more merit to participate in the subscription company. As you can see, he has already applied for a donation of merit in the appropriate thread. But what's next?
To participate in subscription companies, he needs at least some knowledge. Posts in the WO thread are not counted by managers. And in the Arabic local section, his posts often consist of a retelling of events with a link provided.
I think the user himself should now understand that a lot of eyes are directed at him, and there would be less fuss if he did not "develop" his alternative account so noticeably. But he made a choice, thinking that he was the smartest of all.
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No, I didn't know that GazetaBitcoin was giving merit to the quiz, I was participating there to know the history of Bitcoin and Bitcointalk.

Mind you, this is a review of deadsea33's game, not a review of the quiz conducted by icopress.
For what we know you might be saying the truth but your post history is saying a different thing entirely.

You started that you knew nothing about gazeta giving out merit to those that participates in the quiz but yet your next post after you participated in the quiz was made in Wall Observation and from what others have experienced 99% of newbies that make post there are majorly fishing for merit. So you claiming you knew nothing about participants receiving merits and yet posting like a merit fisher is not that convincing.
And beside you have made the highest number of post in WO.
I am glad the puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account has not logged in again after he brought unwanted attention to himself but thanks to that error he has now put the light on several other accounts clearly linked to his account-farming business.

Looking at the quality of posts being presented by the puppeteer controlling the _Hiloveua_ account clearly shows the intention was only merit hunting (as it was already mentioned the the current neutral feedback).

I have not had the appropriate time over the past few days to give this matter more time but I will definitely find time. I have already decided on several accounts which will be tagged. As mentioned earlier, I will tag all of the accounts at the same time that I feel have participated in merit abuse.
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I didn't get a notification concerning this but while browsing the forum, I found this thread and discovered that I was mentioned as well in list of names that benefitted from the Deadsea33 account in his Quiz thread. I only participated in the game and not an alt.

 I joined the quiz in the 16th round, and did my best to answer to the best of the little knowledge I had gotten then. While it was quite odd that a member would have such number of merits, I didn't bother to be concerned if it was an  account farmer because I was more interested in the game, the information I got as a result of the answers the other participants were providing and the free merits.

Just like @Hatchy, I became uninterested when @deadsea33 kept failing to keep up to time. I have no prior dealings with the user not until I participated in the quiz.
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Are you saying that you accidentally found out that GazetaBitcoin is giving away merit in the quiz? Likewise, as a beginner and as a visionary, did you immediately find a suitable topic?

No, I didn't know that GazetaBitcoin was giving merit to the quiz, I was participating there to know the history of Bitcoin and Bitcointalk.

Mind you, this is a review of deadsea33's game, not a review of the quiz conducted by icopress.

For what we know you might be saying the truth but your post history is saying a different thing entirely.

You started that you knew nothing about gazeta giving out merit to those that participates in the quiz but yet your next post after you participated in the quiz was made in Wall Observation and from what others have experienced 99% of newbies that make post there are majorly fishing for merit. So you claiming you knew nothing about participants receiving merits and yet posting like a merit fisher is not that convincing.
And beside you have made the highest number of post in WO.
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I am sorry for the late reply, I have been sick for two days. Due to which I could not be active in the forum.

You have not contributed in any capacity within the forum therefore can you explain specifically why you feel you should not receive a neutral or negative tag for merit abuse?

I did not keep contribute to the forum in any capacity, You can tag as if you want. What does everyone contribute to this forum? I will do my best for the forum as much as I can To do something good. It might be an abuse of merit, it was wrong of me to participate in his (deadsea33) game.

Are you saying that you accidentally found out that GazetaBitcoin is giving away merit in the quiz? Likewise, as a beginner and as a visionary, did you immediately find a suitable topic?

No, I didn't know that GazetaBitcoin was giving merit to the quiz, I was participating there to know the history of Bitcoin and Bitcointalk.

Mind you, this is a review of deadsea33's game, not a review of the quiz conducted by icopress.

This is the link I meant, it's amazing that you knew about a game long before you joined. BTW @deadsea33 did not include a link.
Yes, it's true that deadsea33 didn't add the cygan 1.0 game link to his game. But you may have forgotten, cygan added this link to his 2.0 game.

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how do you always answer a minute after posting the question and the answers are correct.
The reason for answering in less time is that relatively fewest letter words are answered. And this is the only way not to go wrong.

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do you know the Arabic language, is this your only account?
Yes, This is my only account that and I know Arabic language.

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do you know @nlovric/petulino/Cheema02/Jateng?
Yes, I know about these, these are Bitcointalk forum usernames. Among them, nlovric has been banned, the other 3 are active.
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Regardless of the last active times, what has to be noted is that the Rbolisna and Ripon9909 accounts have not participated in the thread.

Also, as of yet the _Hiloveua_ account has not answered the questions here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62594722

Now that you have asked your own questions let us see what the reply would be when eventually _Hiloveua_ posts it.

Actually there is no online dictionary for it. but When (deadsea33) started this word game he conducted 1st 12 rounds about cryptocurrency, ( Pmalek ) and ( cygan 1.0 ) games were helpful for me, also I had good understanding about cryptocurrency.

This is the link I meant, it's amazing that you knew about a game long before you joined. BTW @deadsea33 did not include a link.
If you want to deny the link between you and this account. It is better to answer questions like, how do you always answer a minute after posting the question and the answers are correct, do you know the Arabic language, is this your only account? And do you know @nlovric/petulino/Cheema02/Jateng?
legendary
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Today, while checking my notifications, I noticed that I have been mentioned in the investigation of @deadsea33. It is true that I earned a lot of merits from his game, which might be considered merit abuse.
I tend to believe your story as you have a different post style than @deadsea33, I also don't think deadsea33 speaks Nigerian and you have several posts there, but you've been given a lot of info that an average user who join to game know so there's a slight chance you've bought these merits or at least know that user.
in general :

 - Avoid participating for post-to-merit topics.
 - Useless wall posts, challenges and anything suspicious.
 - Keep creating high quality posts just as the purpose of this forum is.

I will put you on my watch list and after about two months I will remove you so try to be better, welcome as a good member of the forum and we regret these doubts.



Actually there is no online dictionary for it. but When (deadsea33) started this word game he conducted 1st 12 rounds about cryptocurrency, ( Pmalek ) and ( cygan 1.0 ) games were helpful for me, also I had good understanding about cryptocurrency.

This is the link I meant, it's amazing that you knew about a game long before you joined. BTW @deadsea33 did not include a link.
If you want to deny the link between you and this account. It is better to answer questions like, how do you always answer a minute after posting the question and the answers are correct, do you know the Arabic language, is this your only account? And do you know @nlovric/petulino/Cheema02/Jateng?


legendary
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Yes, I'm an asshole
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But what is my mistake if I participate in the quiz?

And here the merit history of deadsea33 is being investigated.

If I have to facepalmed myself reading your ignorance, I might have to take myself to the ER. Allow me to help you to break down the situation here slowly: the question being asked here is not if anyone made mistake by participating in the quiz, it's if you're [and other accounts] an alt of deadsea33. Many members are also participants of that thread, but a lot of them [currently] are not as suspicios as you in term of accuracy, timing in giving your answers, and other factors.

As for the matter being investigated here, it is not only deadsea33's merit history, but also the possible alt-account of his, and this is where you come to the spotlight.

In short, if you really find it hard to understand, there is an ongoing investigation that deadsea33's account changed hand, and that he published his quiz thread of which you participated for the sole purpose of abusing merit by rewarding it to his other accounts, of which, so many signs point out to your account as one of it.
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Please note, I am on the verge of tagging your _Hiloveua_ account (and several others) on the basis of being farmed engaging in merit abuse operated by the same puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account. Having said that I ask you to be clear in your defence.

_Hiloveua_ without conducting in incoherent ramblings and by giving straight answers only, can you address the following questions:

You have not contributed in any capacity within the forum therefore can you explain specifically why you feel you should not receive a neutral or negative tag for merit abuse?

By the way, are you a native Arabic speaker?

Are you saying that you accidentally found out that GazetaBitcoin is giving away merit in the quiz? Likewise, as a beginner and as a visionary, did you immediately find a suitable topic?
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Are you serious? Your first post and already participated in the quiz. Who do you want to fool? I do not want to repeat myself, but for those who are stupid, once again, in the WO branch, newbies spam in the hope of getting merit.
Are you saying that you accidentally found out that GazetaBitcoin is giving away merit in the quiz? Likewise, as a beginner and as a visionary, did you immediately find a suitable topic?
I don't care what you're going to do here, but yes, after gaining some merit the easy way, now you'll have to show your level of knowledge for real. You answered questions that beginners are unlikely to answer the first time.
You need to understand that your appearance in the "Reputation" branch indicates that you will be under attention since your behavior is too suspicious.

I'm sorry, I didn't understand you, you are talking about this quiz. Yes, I was participating in it. GazetaBitcoin gave me merit after answering.

Thank you for teaching something new.

But what is my mistake if I participate in the quiz?

And here the merit history of deadsea33 is being investigated.
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Thank you for commenting, don't mind, who you believe or not is your personal matter. You said I am already participating in the quiz, this is wrong, I have not joined the new quiz, I am posting on merit count down, this is a help post. Yes, it's true that I haven't posted except on WO threads and local boards, and I've been looking for merit since I created my account. So I can't learn anything. Of course it can be learned. And who will post where is his personal matter. And I did not come to this forum for any alternative account.



Are you serious? Your first post and already participated in the quiz. Who do you want to fool? I do not want to repeat myself, but for those who are stupid, once again, in the WO branch, newbies spam in the hope of getting merit.
Are you saying that you accidentally found out that GazetaBitcoin is giving away merit in the quiz? Likewise, as a beginner and as a visionary, did you immediately find a suitable topic?
I don't care what you're going to do here, but yes, after gaining some merit the easy way, now you'll have to show your level of knowledge for real. You answered questions that beginners are unlikely to answer the first time.
You need to understand that your appearance in the "Reputation" branch indicates that you will be under attention since your behavior is too suspicious.



legendary
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I still don't know how a person can cheat others by using online translators. I'm sorry I have no idea about this.
Arabic local board historically has a very high (often highest among all local boards) merit/post ratio so I wouldn't be surprised if someone who doesn't speak Arabic at all uses Google translate in order to farm merit.

By the way, are you a native Arabic speaker?
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I will never believe in my life that you are a beginner. Don't take everyone here for fools.You posted the first post on the forum and had already participated in the quiz. What is the reason for participation? Merit search. Further regular spam in the WO thread, What is Your reason for being there? The same merit. Now that participation in the deadsea33 "quiz" begins, what do we see? Again, the search for merit
You have not created a single post, all the time, except for posts in the Arabic local section.
Is it possible for a beginner to guess the nicknames of people if he has been registered for only a few months? You know many, but in order to definitely know everyone, as you often guessed, several months on the forum is not enough.
As a result, you came to the forum thinking of getting an easy alternative account.

Thank you for commenting, don't mind, who you believe or not is your personal matter. You said I am already participating in the quiz, this is wrong, I have not joined the new quiz, I am posting on merit count down, this is a help post. Yes, it's true that I haven't posted except on WO threads and local boards, and I've been looking for merit since I created my account. So I can't learn anything. Of course it can be learned. And who will post where is his personal matter. And I did not come to this forum for any alternative account.

He skipped past your post ignoring it completely. The fact he made no effort at all to address any point you raised shows the account is probably sure tags will be forthcoming and is trying to stop themselves from making more errors.

I am sorry that I gave his reply very late, but I did not avoid him. You may have misunderstood. I last replied to you. His reply was after you.

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It is worth noting hugeblack has mentioned his opinions clearly as far as the _Hiloveua_ account is concerned. If this member is using online translators to deceive others in to believing they are multi-lingual (if not bi-lingual) then what is their aim for the charade?

I still don't know how a person can cheat others by using online translators. I'm sorry I have no idea about this.
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why doesn't deadsea33 actually come forward and take a stand on all these accusations/merit abuse... Huh Roll Eyes
In the previous threads, he never bothered to defend himself that much, and it's likely to be the same in this thread. That's his trait, probably.

If you guys are having a lot of headache gauging whose accused alt accounts are deadsea33's. Just look in the detail. The accounts that haven't come forth until now to claim their innocence should be highly suspicious. I mean, that's deadsea33's way of reacting to accusations, isn't it?  Cheesy
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Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.
I will never believe in my life that you are a beginner. Don't take everyone here for fools.You posted the first post on the forum and had already participated in the quiz. What is the reason for participation? Merit search. Further regular spam in the WO thread, What is Your reason for being there? The same merit. Now that participation in the deadsea33 "quiz" begins, what do we see? Again, the search for merit
You have not created a single post, all the time, except for posts in the Arabic local section.
Is it possible for a beginner to guess the nicknames of people if he has been registered for only a few months? You know many, but in order to definitely know everyone, as you often guessed, several months on the forum is not enough.
As a result, you came to the forum thinking of getting an easy alternative account.
He skipped past your post ignoring it completely. The fact he made no effort at all to address any point you raised shows the account is probably sure tags will be forthcoming and is trying to stop themselves from making more errors.

Unfortunately, @deadsea33 tried to hide the past of that account, it is difficult to know if it was an alt account, but the distribution of merit between him and _Hiloveua_ is sufficient to accuse him of selling merits, if not an alternative account (I note that there is a difference in the local boards and I do not think that _Hiloveua_ speaks Arabic, but uses Google translator)
It is worth noting hugeblack has mentioned his opinions clearly as far as the _Hiloveua_ account is concerned. If this member is using online translators to deceive others in to believing they are multi-lingual (if not bi-lingual) then what is their aim for the charade?

why doesn't deadsea33 actually come forward and take a stand on all these accusations/merit abuse... Huh Roll Eyes
As deadsea33 has not answered, I will take a guess and say maybe he is too busy using the other farmed accounts under his control to meet their signature campaign quotas or he is trying to build them up in order to join signature campaigns. He does not have much use left for the sold/hacked deadsea33 account now.
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Personally, I think that Merit shouldn't be given that way. Just what's the point? Will someone's post quality improve by playing that game? I think that just gives spammers the possibility to rank up and there is a bright example in front of us how someone used that moment wisely but failed.
Everything can be abused if not run or moderated properly. There should be some rules that mitigate the possibility of abuse.

When I started my game, I thought it would be something fun for the beginners. An activity everyone could participate in, guess a few terms, and earn merits if done correctly. I wasn't wrong. You need some knowledge to guess crypto-related words, but there are, of course, ways to cheat. Especially now. Personally, I see no problem in organizing such events. It's those who abuse it by selling merits or meriting their own alts that destroy everything. 
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why doesn't deadsea33 actually come forward and take a stand on all these accusations/merit abuse... Huh Roll Eyes
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You have not contributed in any capacity within the forum therefore can you explain specifically why you feel you should not receive a neutral or negative tag for merit abuse?

Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.


I'm sorry for misspelling cygan.
Yes, I have not contributed to the forum. But you are doing a lot of work for the forum. So what's wrong with remembering you?
This may be an abuse of merit, for deadsea33. My account name : _Hiloveua_
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It's sad that there could be an ulterior motive behind running this game for the community.
Personally, I think that Merit shouldn't be given that way. Just what's the point? Will someone's post quality improve by playing that game? I think that just gives spammers the possibility to rank up and there is a bright example in front of us how someone used that moment wisely but failed.

If a member with hardly any posts worth reading and hardly anything positive to contribute to the forum starts a Get Merits thread, that is highly suspicious. When members with little to no history or contributions or newbies miraculously find themselves on that thread receiving merits then that too is highly suspicious.

When the same members are repeatedly given merits seconds after the next game is posted because again they are miraculously online at the correct time, then that too is highly suspicious. Also, what makes it more fascinating is that almost none of the games were posted at the time deadsea33 announced, they were taking place later yet miraculously certain members were there posting and collecting merits.

That is either too many miracles in one thread or something suspicious is definitely going on.
Nothing is suspicious, everything is logical.
This was a very funny excuse by the way:
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@_Hiloveua_ You gave great answers, you have already got 50 merits from this word game. The merit of the correct answers you have given in round 14 cannot be sent to you now, maybe it is the merit system of the forum, one forum user cannot send more than 50 merits to another user in 30 days.

Don't worry friend, I will save all the correct answers from round 14 to the last round. And after 30 days I will send all your correct answer merits.
Don't worry friend, I'll send you another merits too after 30 days, what a funny  Cheesy Cheesy

Also, _Hiloveua_ guessed too many complicated words and member names. Guy also found out that merits are easily given in Wall Observer thread and was posting nonsense there before that thread. Sorry but I don't believe that he isn't an alt of someone.
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Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.

I will never believe in my life that you are a beginner. Don't take everyone here for fools.You posted the first post on the forum and had already participated in the quiz. What is the reason for participation? Merit search. Further regular spam in the WO thread, What is Your reason for being there? The same merit. Now that participation in the deadsea33 "quiz" begins, what do we see? Again, the search for merit
You have not created a single post, all the time, except for posts in the Arabic local section.
Is it possible for a beginner to guess the nicknames of people if he has been registered for only a few months? You know many, but in order to definitely know everyone, as you often guessed, several months on the forum is not enough.
As a result, you came to the forum thinking of getting an easy alternative account.
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I have read your post above and have also been through your post history and seen that it is mostly nonsense being spouted for the sake of trying to end up with merits.

You are failing at trying to insult our intelligence with your failed attempts at subliminal misdirection.

It has been noted you did not have any problem spelling his name correctly when it suits your needs (to gain merits in the scam merit thread) even though you had already jumbled the name for your suspected alt-account to decipher, yet you type it wrong here in the hope of causing a diversion when you want to try misdirecting members.

You have not contributed in any capacity within the forum therefore can you explain specifically why you feel you should not receive a neutral or negative tag for merit abuse?


Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.

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6. yncag - cygan
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And the game (cygan's 2.0) was helpful for me.
Except you never got a single merit from him, and you didn't participate in the game...

Yes, it's true that I couldn't participate in (sygan's 2) because it ended on February 10, 2022, which is about 1.5 years ago since I created my account. But deadsea33 was mentioning him in his game.
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It appears as if this person is using their bounty/sig campaign earnings to purchase older accounts. They really thought they hit the treasure trove with this deadsea33 account but this merit game is proving to be their own undoing.

The below accounts can be connected through BSC transactions, but I think they aren't related the deadsea33/_hiloveua_ and its the second alt farm that was mentioned earlier:

Madu$11
Ripon9909
Rbolisna
Ki kos (merited by Rbolisna)
Mal$11 (connected to a ban evading bounty cheater by me here)
Mix002 (same as above)

But based on this comment it would appear the two account farmers are in competition with each other  Cheesy

@Madu$11 You are a cheater, 1st time you copied (RTR~)'s answer, 2nd time you copied (_Hiloveua_)'s answer, you are disqualified from this word game.

Please don't participate in this game again.




IMO you don't fit the pattern of most of the other accounts mentioned in this thread, so I'm inclined to believe you. For example, you wrote a couple of interesting posts about the Lightning Network early on that seemed to be fairly original, which is just not something that your average account farmer is doing.



And the game (cygan's 2.0) was helpful for me.

Except you never got a single merit from him, and you didn't participate in the game...

I am very ashamed because he (deadsea33) was opening this thread to hide his misdeeds and I was participating in this game.

further, as soon as he (deadsea33) became a full member, he finished the game and joined its signature campaign. It is clear from this that he was starting this game for his rankup.

Now that the deadsea33 account is burned, it seems like you have no problem turning on it, even though it likely belongs to you. However, the evidence is insufficient at the moment to warrant a tag.
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Good day everyone.

sorry for the late reply and thanks for sending PM by Jollygood.

I came here and found that deadsea33's merit histroy is being investigated.

I'll be the first to say, I have no connection to deadsea33, but it's true that I earn the most merit from the word games he runs.

I'm new to this forum but have been for about 6 months. To say that I have some kind of attitude towards this forum. I like to learn. Its doing a good job for me for the word game.

as stalker22 bro says, I haven't given a single wrong answer in this game, yes that's right, I am doing total 48 posts in this game (from Cantsay post) not one of them was wrong.

despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games)

Actually there is no online dictionary for it. but When (deadsea33) started this word game he conducted 1st 12 rounds about cryptocurrency, ( Pmalek ) and ( cygan 1.0 ) games were helpful for me, also I had good understanding about cryptocurrency.

Then when he (deadsea33) changed the rules of his game, I didn't want to participate in this game, but I love knowledge gain so I started to persevere again, then I note the names of this forum Administration, DT member, BM (who contributed a lot for this forum) and mastered it. And the game (cygan's 2.0) was helpful for me.

I am very ashamed because he (deadsea33) was opening this thread to hide his misdeeds and I was participating in this game.

further, as soon as he (deadsea33) became a full member, he finished the game and joined its signature campaign. It is clear from this that he was starting this game for his rankup.



And deadsea33 this is not my accout, my account name; _Hiloveua_

My account registration date : January 03, 2023
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Having said that, I would like to ask you something. I request you to make another statement based on this: Will you state that this Hatchy account is the only one you have ever used in this forum?

I'm sorry for replying late, as I have been trying to find my first account which was ip banned here on Bitcointalk immediately after registration. I just don't remember much details (username) about it, as it wasn't useful since it's ip has already been used by other users for malicious activities so I didn't bother to save it's logins.  After getting this banned ip message, I decided to read some other thread on how to register here on Bitcointalk and so I saw that I could use the VPNs/tor to remove a banned ip. 

Good news for you is that you risk nothing by using VPNs/Tor as far as Bitcointalk goes, so if that's the only thing holding you back, you can go crazy and run them simultaneously all you want.

This was how I was able to register my current account @hatchy.

I read your post in great detail but am not impressed with what you wrote, nor do I believe you nor do I have any sympathy for you.
I'm sorry if you still don't believe, as I would also love to see this investigation till the end to clear my innocence. And like I said earlier, I'm here to plead my account of spam,as I never had bad intentions before participating in @deadsea33's game.

With all these happening, I will definitely have to stay clear from any merit spree thread next time I see one and same advice goes for other newbies or members. Again, I have nothing to hide so please do well to mention me if you have more questions.
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I won't say with all assurance but since the account is on investigation he would decide to abandoned the account and create alternative means to dispatch the smerits left in deadsea33, from my observation if he was that real and wanted to prove ownership he would had come to clear up the claims and allegations labeled on the account. With what few people had said over here I am not surprised he purposefully carried out this mission in other to get other account ready if at which deadsea33 is band he would have an alternative to back up or to continue his involvements in the forum.
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Hilo is a big doubt
Can you explain why you think that is the case.

Please feel free to mention me if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to answer.
I read your post in great detail but am not impressed with what you wrote, nor do I believe you nor do I have any sympathy for you.

Having said that, I would like to ask you something. I request you to make another statement based on this: Will you state that this Hatchy account is the only one you have ever used in this forum?


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Another interesting point is that "_Hiloveua_" never once offered a wrong answer in the "Complete the Word Game" , despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.
The merit competition thread was an absolute farce trying to hide behind a false legitimacy of a game of fun. _Hiloveua_ is the main beneficiary of the whole farce when it comes to the number of merits received but others have also benefitted. For the _Hiloveua_ account to post correct replies on numerous occasions within minutes of the questions being posted, is clearly suspicious to say the least.

That was the main reason I stopped the game, while searching for words I normally use the "7 letter words with n at the 3rd position" as my keyword and even with that I still come across so many results that would have been a perfect choice but for @_hiloveua_ not missing anyone or making a wrong choice is kinda suspicious.

Sorry to ask, @JollyGood did you PM them about this thread? because I can see that only @hatchy has replied to this thread meanwhile some others are active in the forum but haven't said anything concerning the thread. I doubt that they are using telegram notification bot so it will be a good idea to pm them if you haven't done so already.
As the Hatchy account has posted/pleaded innocence here, I have sent a PM to the accounts mentioned in the OP but other members will be sent PMs after the OP is updated.

Hilo is a big doubt
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Another interesting point is that "_Hiloveua_" never once offered a wrong answer in the "Complete the Word Game" , despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.
The merit competition thread was an absolute farce trying to hide behind a false legitimacy of a game of fun. _Hiloveua_ is the main beneficiary of the whole farce when it comes to the number of merits received but others have also benefitted. For the _Hiloveua_ account to post correct replies on numerous occasions within minutes of the questions being posted, is clearly suspicious to say the least.

That was the main reason I stopped the game, while searching for words I normally use the "7 letter words with n at the 3rd position" as my keyword and even with that I still come across so many results that would have been a perfect choice but for @_hiloveua_ not missing anyone or making a wrong choice is kinda suspicious.

Sorry to ask, @JollyGood did you PM them about this thread? because I can see that only @hatchy has replied to this thread meanwhile some others are active in the forum but haven't said anything concerning the thread. I doubt that they are using telegram notification bot so it will be a good idea to pm them if you haven't done so already.
As the Hatchy account has posted/pleaded innocence here, I have sent a PM to the accounts mentioned in the OP but other members will be sent PMs after the OP is updated.

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Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.

That was the main reason I stopped the game, while searching for words I normally use the "7 letter words with n at the 3rd position" as my keyword and even with that I still come across so many results that would have been a perfect choice but for @_hiloveua_ not missing anyone or making a wrong choice is kinda suspicious.

Sorry to ask, @JollyGood did you PM them about this thread? because I can see that only @hatchy has replied to this thread meanwhile some others are active in the forum but haven't said anything concerning the thread. I doubt that they are using telegram notification bot so it will be a good idea to pm them if you haven't done so already.
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As of right now we cannot be sure if the relationship between the two accounts is one of merit abuse between one account farmer or merit selling between accounts operated by different account farmers.

Of the most compelling cases of the suspected nefarious activity with the deadsea33 account at the centre it is the _Hiloveua_ account. That account simply stands out the most because not only has the _Hiloveua_ account already received merits on 24 different occasions to the total of 50 merits, deadsea33 posted that he owes 28 merits to the _Hiloveua_ account which will be given on 29th July 2023. The post is here.

Another interesting point is that "_Hiloveua_" never once offered a wrong answer in the "Complete the Word Game" , despite the fact that his answers were often given just a few minutes after starting a new round. Even if he found some effective way to recognize words (I do not know if there are online dictionaries that can assist with these types of games), statistically speaking, he should have offered at least one incorrect word matching the given pattern. Unless, of course, he knew all the correct answers in advance, and the entire game was merely a farce for merit abuse.
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btw here is the thread mentioned: deadsea33's "Complete the Word Game and Get Merits"
Thankfully the merit abuse thread created by deadsea33 is locked.

Nice discovery OP. Few of those indeed are questionable, so i'll put them on ignore list for now.
The person currently controlling the deadsea33 account made that thread with the intention of merit abuse. If you ignore them now you will not be able to read their (probably laughable) replies when they post a defence denying wrongdoing.

Slightly OT but that really is the rub isn't it.
If I made my full post quota here every week (I don't) the amount of extra money is nice. But it's not going to make a difference in my life. Don't get me wrong $7500 a year is a nice income to post where I was posting for free anyway.

But, for people in other places it is life altering money. So they get greedy and want more.

Think about it, if you can make more then the national average where you live posting here then farm a few more accounts and make even more.
And then you try to make even more money and.....
That is exactly what it comes down to: money

A large number of members participate in signature campaigns and there is nothing wrong with that. For some it is life-changing to earn more in a month here than in their jobs therefore they mismanage the situation.

If they have farmed accounts which are not used for merit abuse, not used for revenge feedback, not used for revenge trust inclusion/exclusion and not used for DT manipulation and they post enough to meet quota for their campaigns then that is different from using the Reputation board trying to remove a neutral tag and getting noticed. If the signature campaign was of such significance they would have refrained from involving themselves in anything beyond their signature campaign quota.

In many cases at least signature campaign participants have contributed positively in some capacity to this wonderful forum of ours but when the greed (as you put it) takes over they lower the bar with low quality participation via their posts and that too can be seen.

Unless they ban sig campaigns all that can be done is fight against it as best we can.
Thankfully some members are trying to use the Reputation board to post about these types of things, there is no other option.
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Today, while checking my notifications, I noticed that I have been mentioned in the investigation of @deadsea33. It is true that I earned a lot of merits from his game, which might be considered merit abuse. However, I want to clarify that I have no connection with @deadsea33, neither as an alt account nor a merit farm. it's my first time hearing such word here on the forum.
Like any other user, I came across his game in late June and decided to join for fun, as it would be my first game since joining the forum in April.




I started playing from round 2 And as you can see,  I attempted his game multiple times during the second and third rounds  but didn't answer correctly. From round 4 to round 7, I earned a few merits and then stopped playing due to other commitments. I returned to the game in round 12 when the pattern changed and it became more difficult, focusing on the names of legendary members. As a new member to the forum, I found it challenging to answer because I wasn't familiar with most legendary members. This made me less interested, and I only played when I had the chance.

Another aspect that discouraged me from playing his game was that he never stuck to his schedule.

Somehow, whenever I check this page, the rounds are already completed and I see the schedule for the next round.
Then, when I visit the page the next day, the rounds are completed once again.
However, this time, I have carefully observed the time of the post and it has already been over 5 hours, yet the round has not started yet.
It's time for me to sleep and I am sure that when I return tomorrow, the rounds will be completed once again  Grin
I guess I am unlucky to take part in this game.
Report to moderator

Like other members, I waited for hours to get a notification about his game, but I never received any. When I returned after some time, I saw that they had already completed more rounds, so I eventually stopped playing and left the game.

Regarding his suspicious activities, I also noticed that an account that had been inactive for a long time suddenly became active, distributing merits, and deleting some posts. This raised suspicions. After @hugeblack tagged him


 he created a post explaining why he became active after a long time.

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I registered in this forum in 4/25/2013 . I was regularly active in this forum till 2018. After that suddenly due to family and personal problems I could not active in the forum like before.
Then after becoming active once in 1/3/2021, I thought I will be active regularly from now on, so I changed the password once. My luck was bad then, again I had to fight for my family. Then I thought that after becoming active, I will start from zero. Moreover, many of my posts were of poor quality. So I deleted almost all my posts.
Also, a forum member can delete his own post, this is not an anti-forum act. So anyone can do this.
I forgot the password so i 6/17/2023 date reset the password through email. Then I use new email and strong password to strengthen security.
I don't see anything wrong in doing this for the security of my account. Hope you understand.
And Starting a word game for all forum members especially new members to gain knowledge and share good things


 Many members dropped messages for him to prove ownership of the account,but he never returned to that thread to address their suspicions. In my opinion, he either bought his account from an old member or created the game to gain enough activity quickly and rank up to a full member since he already had enough merits but lacked activity.

And to add up, during his game, he didn't post on other threads or topics and then, he immediately applied for a signature campaign just a few days after finishing his game and ranking up, which raises more questions.


I want to plead my innocence, as I had nothing to do with @deadsea33 and was merely fortunate to have won some merits from his game, just like other members did. If you check my merit history, you'll see that I've earned more merits since leaving his game. merits from his game only gave me a boost. I hope this matter is thoroughly investigated to prove my innocence. Thank you all for listening to me.

Please feel free to mention me if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to answer.
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I think you have said something is a fact. $500 a month is more than the national average in many countries therefore it is driving force for account farming. I have no doubt the puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account has several accounts. I cannot be confident enough to say how many but it has to be more than the ones connected to his merit abuse thread.

Slightly OT but that really is the rub isn't it.
If I made my full post quota here every week (I don't) the amount of extra money is nice. But it's not going to make a difference in my life. Don't get me wrong $7500 a year is a nice income to post where I was posting for free anyway.

But, for people in other places it is life altering money. So they get greedy and want more.

Think about it, if you can make more then the national average where you live posting here then farm a few more accounts and make even more.
And then you try to make even more money and.....

Unless they ban sig campaigns all that can be done is fight against it as best we can.

-Dave

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Unfortunately, @deadsea33 tried to hide the past of that account, it is difficult to know if it was an alt account, but the distribution of merit between him and _Hiloveua_ is sufficient to accuse him of selling merits, if not an alternative account (I note that there is a difference in the local boards and I do not think that _Hiloveua_ speaks Arabic, but uses Google translator)
As of right now we cannot be sure if the relationship between the two accounts is one of merit abuse between one account farmer or merit selling between accounts operated by different account farmers.

Of the most compelling cases of the suspected nefarious activity with the deadsea33 account at the centre it is the _Hiloveua_ account. That account simply stands out the most because not only has the _Hiloveua_ account already received merits on 24 different occasions to the total of 50 merits, deadsea33 posted that he owes 28 merits to the _Hiloveua_ account which will be given on 29th July 2023. The post is here.







I also hope that, but so far there are more than 3 active accounts in signature campaigns that may be an alternative to this account. If he is in a country where $500 is enough money, then this may be his full-time job, and then he will have dozens of accounts.
I think you have said something is a fact. $500 a month is more than the national average in many countries therefore it is driving force for account farming. I have no doubt the puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account has several accounts. I cannot be confident enough to say how many but it has to be more than the ones connected to his merit abuse thread.

You have clearly noticed the ITExpert account and have a suspicion. I have to say on many occasions the first impression or gut feeling is usually correct but that is a different matter. When I have time I will take a detailed look in that ITExpert account to see what can be discovered, thank you for mentioning it.

I will be busy over the next few days therefore cannot give the investigation the time it deserves and for that reason prefer to not tag accounts periodically but I will tag ALL the accounts associated with the deadsea33 merit abuse at the same time, after I collate evidence.
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I remember his game because he tagged me and cygan in his opening post and that's how I got notified about it. We organized the exact same type of word games in the past.
Can you add a link?

i also remember that day when my notifier bot triggered my nick in relation to this thread/game created by deadsea33. and like Pmalek, i deliberately didn't play in order to give the other users (from the lower ranks) the chance to get more merits

btw here is the thread mentioned: deadsea33's "Complete the Word Game and Get Merits"
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I remember his game because he tagged me and cygan in his opening post and that's how I got notified about it. We organized the exact same type of word games in the past.
I took part in round #1 of his guess the word game because there wasn't much activity in the thread at that time. I didn't want to take up the spots of other lower ranks in the later rounds.

It's sad that there could be an ulterior motive behind running this game for the community.
I was not surprised about the ulterior motive because he is not the only one who has them.

If a member with hardly any posts worth reading and hardly anything positive to contribute to the forum starts a Get Merits thread, that is highly suspicious. When members with little to no history or contributions or newbies miraculously find themselves on that thread receiving merits then that too is highly suspicious.

When the same members are repeatedly given merits seconds after the next game is posted because again they are miraculously online at the correct time, then that too is highly suspicious. Also, what makes it more fascinating is that almost none of the games were posted at the time deadsea33 announced, they were taking place later yet miraculously certain members were there posting and collecting merits.

That is either too many miracles in one thread or something suspicious is definitely going on.

When I originally came across the thread I noticed your name and cygan in the OP and to some degree I think that provided a cover of legitimacy to deadsea33 to carry out nefarious activities including merit abuse. That was also part of his ulterior motive. When members stumble across those boards and notice names of well known and/or respected members in the OP as reference points then it goes a long way to removing the element of doubt.

There was absolutely an ulterior motive therefore I was not surprised deadsea33 was caught out and as usual it is the arrogance that some members of this forum display that brings them down. Had he simply not reacted to the neutral tag placed by hugeblack and had he not started a thread to complain then he would not have had his account analysed.
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The game was rigged and that is clear to see. The thread was designed to give merits to accounts deadsea33 wanted to give merits to. It also facilitated the legitimate manner in which any forum member wanted to send merits to deadsea33 for running the game/thread therefore he was successful in more than one way in his deceit.


Unfortunately, @deadsea33 tried to hide the past of that account, it is difficult to know if it was an alt account, but the distribution of merit between him and _Hiloveua_ is sufficient to accuse him of selling merits, if not an alternative account (I note that there is a difference in the local boards and I do not think that _Hiloveua_ speaks Arabic, but uses Google translator)


I have an internal feeling that this account is an alt account of ITExpert aka nlovric but I'm still investigating about it. Smiley

If this is true, then this user manages dozens of accounts.
Hopefully he does not have dozens of accounts but if he does we all need to work together to try to discover them.
I also hope that, but so far there are more than 3 active accounts in signature campaigns that may be an alternative to this account. If he is in a country where $500 is enough money, then this may be his full-time job, and then he will have dozens of accounts.

I remember his game because he tagged me and cygan in his opening post and that's how I got notified about it. We organized the exact same type of word games in the past.
Can you add a link?
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I remember his game because he tagged me and cygan in his opening post and that's how I got notified about it. We organized the exact same type of word games in the past.
I took part in round #1 of his guess the word game because there wasn't much activity in the thread at that time. I didn't want to take up the spots of other lower ranks in the later rounds.

It's sad that there could be an ulterior motive behind running this game for the community.
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Is it one puppeteer controlling all the accounts involved as part of a ranking up process on his accounts or is it a deal between other farm operators to send/receive merits between themselves in order to build up the accounts involved. That will be discovered soon.
Imagine if you are right about the latter, you're getting 2 farms because someone in the other farm just messed up their merit cycling which is definitely a bad news for both farms, imagine that this investigation is going to lead to a deeper rabbithole. Hope you uncover more and that this kind of abuse stops because it's unfair to those who try to earn it honestly. If the former is right, I think it's weird that they only messed up this time, maybe this is a new owner or just plain stupid of that person that they got too complacent about hiding their abuse.
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Do we have any data scraping experts who can help us find out the
1. Number of posts users each user made in that thread
2. Number of merits users who posted in that thread earned from deadsea33

This will help paint a clear picture on his alts.


This is the stats I got from using both ninjastic.space and bpip.org for number of post and merits gotten from the said thread respectively. They're arranged in order of most merited in the thread.

_Hiloveua_ [48] Earned 50 merits
Hatchy [27] Earned 20 merits
Liliana1304 [17] Earned 10 merits
Ripon9909 [9] Earned 9 merits
hafiztalha [10] Earned 7 merits
Rbolisna [14] Earned 6 merits
Woodrose [12] Earned 4 merits
E came [4] Earned 4 merits
sokani [7] Earned 3 merits
Cantsay [3] Earned 3 merits
RTR~ [6] Earned 3 merits
IP Update 11.99.6 [2] Earned 2 merits
Justtoons [5] Earned 2 merits
Pmalek [1] Earned 2 merits
ThemePen [1] Earned 2 merits
cytpoway121 [4] Earned 2 merits
xSkylarx [2] Earned 1 merit
Fausto Arta [1] Earned 1
iwantmyhomepaidwithbtc2 [1] Earned 1merit
tabas [1] Earned 1 merit
Madu$11 [6] Earned 1 merit

I excluded those that posted but didn't earn any merit from the thread but if you want to check out the complete list of everyone that posted in the thread, here's the link. https://ninjastic.space/search?topic_id=5457225

Date : All correct answers merit will be sent. 29 July 2023
_Hiloveua_ still has up to 28 pending merits to be sent at the date above.
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I took a look at the merit history a while back, but I realized something was fishy about deadsea33's merit history and the reason behind the word game thread. I will be damned if the top merit receivers in that thread are not his alts.

Do we have any data scraping experts who can help us find out the
1. Number of posts users each user made in that thread
2. Number of merits users who posted in that thread earned from deadsea33

This will help paint a clear picture on his alts.



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There is something strange in this game, if we check the time interval between each response, we will find that it is almost equal for some accounts, even an account that tried to answer some questions, @deadsea33 described him as a scammer and refused to send meris to him.
The game was rigged and that is clear to see. The thread was designed to give merits to accounts deadsea33 wanted to give merits to. It also facilitated the legitimate manner in which any forum member wanted to send merits to deadsea33 for running the game/thread therefore he was successful in more than one way in his deceit.

I have an internal feeling that this account is an alt account of ITExpert aka nlovric but I'm still investigating about it. Smiley

If this is true, then this user manages dozens of accounts.
Hopefully he does not have dozens of accounts but if he does we all need to work together to try to discover them.

I'm going to kind of feel like an idiot if this _hiloveua_ account turns out to be connected to a farm. I just merited them a couple hours ago in the Countdown to next rank thread. To be fair, I didn't look into their post history. I asked them to read the rules of the countdown thread and tell me why they shouldn't have posted. They answered correct so I gave them the 2 merits they needed.

Find out all the accounts connected and post the proof(real proof) and i'll have no issue tagging them.
I was going to wait a couple of days before starting this thread by collating more screenshots but after I saw the 2 merits you gave to the _Hiloveua_ account in the In Merits, Count Down To Your Next Rank... thread, I decided to create this thread prematurely.

I am preoccupied right now but as soon as I complete looking at the merits between all accounts connected to the deadsea33 account, I will tag them all if there is enough evidence. I do not blame you for not looking at their post history before giving merits because we all have done the same thing (and still do from time to time) but your generosity should not be taken advantage of.

Regarding the suspicious merit history, there's something really fishy about it and the interval in merits aren't that far and wide and the frequency is following some pattern so either it's most likely someone who has bought merits or in the unlikely circumstances, it's a troll trying to mess with people by doing merit abuse.
It seems to point very strongly towards merit abuse but one thing is unclear. Is it one puppeteer controlling all the accounts involved as part of a ranking up process on his accounts or is it a deal between other farm operators to send/receive merits between themselves in order to build up the accounts involved. That will be discovered soon.
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I'm going to kind of feel like an idiot if this _hiloveua_ account turns out to be connected to a farm. I just merited them a couple hours ago in the Countdown to next rank thread. To be fair, I didn't look into their post history. I asked them to read the rules of the countdown thread and tell me why they shouldn't have posted. They answered correct so I gave them the 2 merits they needed.

Find out all the accounts connected and post the proof(real proof) and i'll have no issue tagging them.
I actually saw it but I don't think it's not something you should feel bad about especially if you didn't know, I mean the merit is nothing if it's bombarded by red trust from DT, no point using that account anymore if that person plans to use that account to make money through campaigns which is most likely.

Regarding the suspicious merit history, there's something really fishy about it and the interval in merits aren't that far and wide and the frequency is following some pattern so either it's most likely someone who has bought merits or in the unlikely circumstances, it's a troll trying to mess with people by doing merit abuse.
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I'm going to kind of feel like an idiot if this _hiloveua_ account turns out to be connected to a farm. I just merited them a couple hours ago in the Countdown to next rank thread. To be fair, I didn't look into their post history. I asked them to read the rules of the countdown thread and tell me why they shouldn't have posted. They answered correct so I gave them the 2 merits they needed.

Find out all the accounts connected and post the proof(real proof) and i'll have no issue tagging them.
legendary
Activity: 2702
Merit: 4002
There is something strange in this game, if we check the time interval between each response, we will find that it is almost equal for some accounts, even an account that tried to answer some questions, @deadsea33 described him as a scammer and refused to send meris to him.

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@Madu$11 You are a cheater, 1st time you copied (RTR~)'s answer, 2nd time you copied (_Hiloveua_)'s answer, you are disqualified from this word game.
Please don't participate in this game again.

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And I was online 1:30 hours after starting round 15. I am looking at each post, how many numbers of users are what replying. Hope you understand.

Looks like he was very serious about this game, and this is a reply from @pawanjain regarding the time interval.

Somehow, whenever I check this page, the rounds are already completed and I see the schedule for the next round.
Then, when I visit the page the next day, the rounds are completed once again.

Here he announced that the next round would start at 4:00 AM, guess what it started at 4:51 and again _Hiloveua_ was present after 1 min

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Next round will be start, 4:00 AM (Forum time)

and again in Round 20, Round 21, Round 22, Round 23, and Round 24 (1 min between @deadsea33 posting and @_Hiloveua_ answer) Cheesy

Can the coincidence repeated over more than 6 rounds? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Those accounts may not be for the same user but there may be buying/selling of merits between them.



I have an internal feeling that this account is an alt account of ITExpert aka nlovric but I'm still investigating about it. Smiley

If this is true, then this user manages dozens of accounts.
legendary
Activity: 2534
Merit: 1713
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The person controlling the deadsea33 account could well have been getting away with his nefarious (and non-nefarious) activities for a long time to come had he not started a thread questioning a simple matter such as a neutral tag. That thread inadvertently brought the deadsea33 account to the attention of the wider community and it was discovered he was not the person that created the account back in 2013 and for that reason he has (it seems) given up on trying to use that account.

You can view the deadsea33 merit history and decide for yourself if anything looks suspicious.

Personally I do not feel the cover/excuse that will be given for the merits being awarded will be sufficient if it is based on this thread: deadsea33's "Complete the Word Game and Get Merits" because clearly that was set up in order to find an excusable way to send and receive merits and to present it as a defence if questions were asked about suspicious merits.

The accounts that have received excessive merits and/or questionable merits from the deadsea33 account are free to post here with anything they would like to say. I have no doubt members would welcome their views and comments.

Having said that, at the time of writing this post I will not say the following accounts have engaged in anything suspicious but I will return to this thread when I have time and I will update the OP more accounts if necessary and I will tag any and all accounts I feel have participated in merit abuse.

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