Topic: RAM mining? (Read 17094 times)
Ram has no processing power. Unless you're talking about coins that requires you to hold content. You could create a ramdisk and set a part of your ram as disk space. But why bother, might as well use your hard drive which will hold a lot more content.
there is an algo that is incredibly RAM intensive
There is indeed. It's called Cuckoo Cycle
https://github.com/tromp/cuckoo
Whereas Equihash (as parametrized in Zcash) uses 200 bits of memory to store a hash,
Cuckoo Cycle doesn't store hashes explicitly, but maintains 1 bit for each pair of hashes.
Where Equihash solves problems of size a few million with a few hundred MB, Cuckoo Cycle
can tackle problems of size a few *billion* with the same memory thanks to a vastly
more intensive use of memory.
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https://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/blogs-media/equihash-asymmetric-proof-of-work-based-generalized-birthday-problem.pdf
"Our solution is practical and ready to deploy: a reference implementation of a proof-of-work requiring 700 MB of RAM runs in 30 seconds on a 1.8 GHz CPU, increases the computations by the factor of 1000 if memory is halved, and presents a proof of just 120 bytes long."
"Our solution is practical and ready to deploy: a reference implementation of a proof-of-work requiring 700 MB of RAM runs in 30 seconds on a 1.8 GHz CPU, increases the computations by the factor of 1000 if memory is halved, and presents a proof of just 120 bytes long."
The reference implementation has been broken by
https://forum.z.cash/t/breaking-equihash-in-solutions-per-gb-second/1995
I'm currently looking at the possibilities for floppy mining, promising results so far!
it a 5 or 3 inch ? ? got some 3" ill start a farm
I doubt its possible, but worth a good discussion.
Would or is it possible to mine with RAM?
I understand how mining works, and understand what RAM is.
I'm just saying, I could go buy a shit load of ram and off-load it onto a dedi or two cheaper than these damn GFX cards. xD
Would or is it possible to mine with RAM?
I understand how mining works, and understand what RAM is.
I'm just saying, I could go buy a shit load of ram and off-load it onto a dedi or two cheaper than these damn GFX cards. xD
You can do hard drive mining? I'm sure if yu can get ram drives to work in a similar way to flash drives (if that is possilbe) then it is possible to do this.
You may aswell get flash drives (SSDs/SD cards) or HDDs and do the storage/hard drive mining instead.
It'd definitely be more profitable and probably easier and cheaper to deploy.
I see a lot of snark, with little effort into answering the OP. While I think it's safe to say that RAM cannot actually do the processing, there is an algo that is incredibly RAM intensive while hardly touching your CPU/GPU. The effect is that your mining power is increased by the amount of RAM rather than the speed of your CPU/GPU, essentially creating a miner you could call RAM based.
So the answer is yes. You can mine with RAM using equihash algo. As of now it looks like the soon to roll out Z-Cash will use this algo.
https://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/blogs-media/equihash-asymmetric-proof-of-work-based-generalized-birthday-problem.pdf
"Our solution is practical and ready to deploy: a reference implementation of a proof-of-work requiring 700 MB of RAM runs in 30 seconds on a 1.8 GHz CPU, increases the computations by the factor of 1000 if memory is halved, and presents a proof of just 120 bytes long."
So the answer is yes. You can mine with RAM using equihash algo. As of now it looks like the soon to roll out Z-Cash will use this algo.
https://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/blogs-media/equihash-asymmetric-proof-of-work-based-generalized-birthday-problem.pdf
"Our solution is practical and ready to deploy: a reference implementation of a proof-of-work requiring 700 MB of RAM runs in 30 seconds on a 1.8 GHz CPU, increases the computations by the factor of 1000 if memory is halved, and presents a proof of just 120 bytes long."
Hmmmmm....
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568740
Start looking for the "good" HDDs with ARMs, we gots code for them already
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=568740
Start looking for the "good" HDDs with ARMs, we gots code for them already
Untrue, the original ST-506 HDD controller interface had a z80 in it
I think those mine at about 0.3 Kilohash.
I think those mine at about 0.3 Kilohash.
Guys, all those floppy miner command prompts are just them messing with ya. It's impossible to mine with memory - including RAM. It's just a way to store things, there is no computational power in RAM, Floppy Disks, Hard Drives etc.
Sound like a new idea. U have to use a new algo for it
A friend of mine knows a guy who knows a guy who used to mine using just a pick and a shovel.
No they are super, super rare, fortunately I have a small cache that I preserved for my great grandchildren. I can let one or two go at the special price of 10 BTC per drive, but that's cutting my own throat. Also available, disks at only 1 BTC each.
wow..does floppy disk`s exist anymore? interesting results
I'm currently looking at the possibilities for floppy mining, promising results so far!
Floppy mining? you mean floppy disk? what about USB drive mining then...
Its allways the same, either you have time or you have space. You need less time if you have more space, as its with rainbow tables. Still in my book a table is still something that was precalculated and does no calculation whatsoever.
So let's say you have a machine that has two wheels that can each be set for a number from zero to ten. You push a button, and an LED display lights up with the sum of those two numbers. Do you have to look inside the machine to tell if it's calculating or not?Yes. I dont want to go further into this because I feel every example either of us can give just confuses how a computer actually works.
Thats what we are talking about after all. RAM as in the memory unit of a von Neumann machine. Almost every computer today is von Neumann architecture. A von Neumann machine is made of: the memory unit, the control unit, the logic unit (or arithmetic logic unit). As well as input and output, which does not matter here. The control unit fetches the commands and data from the memory unit and feeds them into the logic unit, which writes a result into the memory unit.
Where is the calculation of the memory unit? Its just a place where data (and commands) come in and out.
Its allways the same, either you have time or you have space. You need less time if you have more space, as its with rainbow tables. Still in my book a table is still something that was precalculated and does no calculation whatsoever.
So let's say you have a machine that has two wheels that can each be set for a number from zero to ten. You push a button, and an LED display lights up with the sum of those two numbers. Do you have to look inside the machine to tell if it's calculating or not? Well if you consider looking up a calculation, than a phone book does a calculation for you.
No, because a phone book doesn't actually look anything up, RAM does.Well that sounds like a philosophical question, but afaik the aritmetic unit does the look up, not the memory unit.
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Yet, unless someone allready knows which person has which phonenumber there is no such book.
By that logic, CPUs don't calculate because they don't know how to do anything until they're instructed to do things.No, a CPU does a calculation because it changes the input according to a cerrain pattern (given by the instructionset) to from a "new" output. It does not need to "know" that 1 + 1 = 10 it just calculates that every time. The way a CPU is build is fundementally different from a lookup table.
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If you want to make a big table for all possible future blocks. Be my guest.
That's the problem. The limited calculation that RAM can do is only useful for real-world crypto problems with amounts of RAM that wouldn't fit in any known universe. (Perhaps unknown ones are larger?)Its allways the same, either you have time or you have space. You need less time if you have more space, as its with rainbow tables. Still in my book a table is still something that was precalculated and does no calculation whatsoever.
Well if you consider looking up a calculation, than a phone book does a calculation for you.
No, because a phone book doesn't actually look anything up, RAM does.Quote
Yet, unless someone allready knows which person has which phonenumber there is no such book.
By that logic, CPUs don't calculate because they don't know how to do anything until they're instructed to do things.Quote
If you want to make a big table for all possible future blocks. Be my guest.
That's the problem. The limited calculation that RAM can do is only useful for real-world crypto problems with amounts of RAM that wouldn't fit in any known universe. (Perhaps unknown ones are larger?) There is a big difference as in: the table itself (or the thing the information is storred on) can not calculate. You can calculate more efficiently while using such a table. That does not make the paper the table is written on a calculator.
I disagree. The way RAM works is if you feed it an address, a number, and you get a value out, a number. The essence of calculating is converting one or more input numbers into one or more output numbers, regardless of how you do it. A lookup table is a perfectly valid way of calculating things. If you feed two one-digit numbers into something and outputs their sum, then it calculated that sum, regardless of its method.Well if you consider looking up a calculation, than a phone book does a calculation for you. Yet, unless someone allready knows which person has which phonenumber there is no such book. If you want to make a big table for all possible future blocks. Be my guest.
There is a big difference as in: the table itself (or the thing the information is storred on) can not calculate. You can calculate more efficiently while using such a table. That does not make the paper the table is written on a calculator.
I disagree. The way RAM works is if you feed it an address, a number, and you get a value out, a number. The essence of calculating is converting one or more input numbers into one or more output numbers, regardless of how you do it. A lookup table is a perfectly valid way of calculating things. If you feed two one-digit numbers into something and outputs their sum, then it calculated that sum, regardless of its method. Never heard that. If someone set up it , what will happen ? It must be amazing at least.
Because it is nonsense. RAM can by definition of RAM not calculate anything, but only store information.
There is a big difference as in: the table itself (or the thing the information is storred on) can not calculate. You can calculate more efficiently while using such a table. That does not make the paper the table is written on a calculator.
Never heard that. If someone set up it , what will happen ? It must be amazing at least.
Because it is nonsense. RAM can by definition of RAM not calculate anything, but only store information.
Never heard that. If someone set up it , what will happen ? It must be amazing at least.
Because it is nonsense. RAM can by definition of RAM not calculate anything, but only store information.
Never heard that. If someone set up it , what will happen ? It must be amazing at least.
As everybody told you, is not possible use RAM for mining there is at the moment I know that is possible the mining from GPU, AISC, Scrypt, USB and graphic card.
GPU = Graphic card, has logic/arithmetic unit - can mine/calculate stuff
AISC = ASIC = "Applicationspecific integrated circuit" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-specific_integrated_circuit - has loic/arithmetic unit - can usually only do 1 specific task but is very good at it
Scrypt = a function, this will not do any caluclations for you. This is something that you need a logic/arithmetic unit for.
USB = an interface, no calculation here, just some sort of plug
As everybody told you, is not possible use RAM for mining there is at the moment I know that is possible the mining from GPU, AISC, Scrypt, USB and graphic card.
TS, you're joking, right? 
Ram mining? Maybe with another algo that dosent need cpu just ram
No no no no no!!!
RAM can never do a calculation. It is a memory unit not a logic or arithmetic unit. Paper can not do the calculation it can only safe it.
Ram mining? Maybe with another algo that dosent need cpu just ram
You need a processor..
DIMM is only the physical interface there, it's like saying you can mine on USB cables.
Is funny to see how sometimes Bitcoin forum community is suffering from ignorance.
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The DIMMs are not used to calculate anything. Yes there are systems that have some sort CPU (does the calculation) and a lot of DIMMs (they hold the results) to brute force. But that does not mean the DIMMs are doing any sort of calculation. Thats like saying your paper does the calculation when you just write it there while you do the calculation.
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...DIMMs began to replace SIMMs (single in-line memory modules) as the predominant type of memory module as ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIMM
Is funny to see how sometimes Bitcoin forum community is suffering from ignorance.
Look at these FPGA DIMM card made by SciEngines (Dual Inline Memory Module.)
http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/photos/photo_7.jpg
http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/photos/photo_8.jpg
http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/photos/photo_1.jpg
They are mainly used to perform brute force attack but they can be easily be reprogrammed using VHDL and Verilog code.
Sources:
#1: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_Inline_Memory_Module
#2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array
#3: http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/
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Look at these FPGA DIMM card made by SciEngines (Dual Inline Memory Module.)
http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/photos/photo_7.jpg
http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/photos/photo_8.jpg
http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/photos/photo_1.jpg
They are mainly used to perform brute force attack but they can be easily be reprogrammed using VHDL and Verilog code.
Sources:
#1: http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_Inline_Memory_Module
#2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array
#3: http://www.sciengines.com/copacobana/
Donation Bitcoin address : 1FsFBDjjjeXgsDMJbC384WiMpNWTzu59s3
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This sounds like a thread I saw before that talked about mining on a sound card.It's possible but you needed:
a.Special driver
b.A H/W based Sound card (most sound cards these days are S/W based as in they have no Audio processing hardware of their own like some creative sound cards did several years ago-before they were phased out.You won't get more than a few MHash/s out of them but it seemed fun to try for those with the right sound cards.
a.Special driver
b.A H/W based Sound card (most sound cards these days are S/W based as in they have no Audio processing hardware of their own like some creative sound cards did several years ago-before they were phased out.You won't get more than a few MHash/s out of them but it seemed fun to try for those with the right sound cards.
You still have the link? Its an interesting (if pointless) idea, but AFAIK, soundcards will have basically have a programmable DSP onboard. DSP is mainly about floating point. I doubt it could be used for mining and you might have more luck using a HDD controller or one of those highend network cards. Of course, even if any of these could be used for mining, performance will completely pale in comparison to something really, really fast, like, .. our cell phones
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Wait, i have a P5 Gaming Glove....I could do PHYSICAL MINING MOTIONS using the glove to dig into virtual blocks!!!
Next up, mining with case fans.
***SHIT GABI BEAT ME TO IT!***
HOW CAN WE DO FLOPPY MINING!?
This sounds like a thread I saw before that talked about mining on a sound card.It's possible but you needed:
a.Special driver
b.A H/W based Sound card (most sound cards these days are S/W based as in they have no Audio processing hardware of their own like some creative sound cards did several years ago-before they were phased out.You won't get more than a few MHash/s out of them but it seemed fun to try for those with the right sound cards)
I think I'll stick to my GPUs for now as (CPUs are rubbish and FPGAs too pricy for the performance you'd get.Only positive was the massive drop in energy use from FPGA)
FPGAs have come a long way so am considering them when they get much cheaper.
a.Special driver
b.A H/W based Sound card (most sound cards these days are S/W based as in they have no Audio processing hardware of their own like some creative sound cards did several years ago-before they were phased out.You won't get more than a few MHash/s out of them but it seemed fun to try for those with the right sound cards)
I think I'll stick to my GPUs for now as (CPUs are rubbish and FPGAs too pricy for the performance you'd get.Only positive was the massive drop in energy use from FPGA)
FPGAs have come a long way so am considering them when they get much cheaper.
My Dataglove is mining on P2Pool right now.
promising results so far!
Wow, I only got ~810 Mhash/s on my floppy miner (don't know how to overclock it), but then I tried this:
Seems to only work when the headphones are on my head...
Any plans for headless headphone mining ?
RAM = random access memory
mining need =calculation power
mining need =calculation power
promising results so far!
Wow, I only got ~810 Mhash/s on my floppy miner (don't know how to overclock it), but then I tried this:
Overclocking the readspeed of the miner increased hashspeed significantly. Audiominer seems very good, never thought about that! I have a few speakers i can mine with here, i'll try and make a miner later
Omg headphone miner looks like a revolution.
So wait, then maybe if i have a 7.1 audio system...
So wait, then maybe if i have a 7.1 audio system...
I'm currently looking at the possibilities for floppy mining, promising results so far!
I'm working on a miner that you put on the blu ray disk and on a customized firmware. You put the firmware in the device, you insert the blu ray disk with the miner and it mine. It should be ready in 4-6 weeks
How would BuRay mining work? Are the drives programmable enough to do that?
I dunno about RAM mining but some guys tried sound card mining.
I'm still working on BluRay mining btw
I'm still working on BluRay mining btw
What about HD DVD mining?
I dunno about RAM mining but some guys tried sound card mining.
I'm still working on BluRay mining btw
I'm still working on BluRay mining btw
I'll make a mining software for my Noctua fans
I also try to develope miner specified for Scythe's Gentle Typhoon's LMAO
I have a really good mouse too, i'll make a miner for it
I'll make a mining software for my Noctua fans
I also try to develope miner specified for Scythe's Gentle Typhoon's LMAO
I'll make a mining software for my Noctua fans
Next up, mining with case fans.
Wow.
If anything AMD selling a card with LESS RAM would be better.
Not sure where you get the idea that RAM does anything except raise wattage and the cost of a card.
If anything AMD selling a card with LESS RAM would be better.
Not sure where you get the idea that RAM does anything except raise wattage and the cost of a card.
Posting in an epic thread.
Suddenly GPU with a lot of RAM are epic useful.
And you still haven't see my USB key mining...
Suddenly GPU with a lot of RAM are epic useful.
And you still haven't see my USB key mining...
There are prototype boards that have mini APUs (application processor units) directly connected to RAM. As such you can load the RAM with and have the APU process the contents and read it back out without using the CPU. I think it was on engadget sometime in the last four weeks or so. I can't remember the manufacturer/dev though, or I would directly link it.
Right, but what would the RAM do? It seems like the RAM serves no purpose. The APUs would be mining in that case, and there'd be some RAM there that you would be paying for but not be using. I understand how mining works, and understand what RAM is.
Are you sure? You could only ask the question you did if your understanding of one of them is slightly askew.
It's also possible I (and others) misunderstand what you think there is up for discussion about it...so what do you mean can RAM be used to mine?
that doesn't even make any sense. Mining requires calculation processing power which RAM has none.
There are prototype boards that have mini APUs (application processor units) directly connected to RAM. As such you can load the RAM with and have the APU process the contents and read it back out without using the CPU. I think it was on engadget sometime in the last four weeks or so. I can't remember the manufacturer/dev though, or I would directly link it.
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that doesn't even make any sense. Mining requires calculation processing power which RAM has none.
There are prototype boards that have mini APUs (application processor units) directly connected to RAM. As such you can load the RAM with and have the APU process the contents and read it back out without using the CPU. I think it was on engadget sometime in the last four weeks or so. I can't remember the manufacturer/dev though, or I would directly link it.
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that doesn't even make any sense. Mining requires calculation processing power which RAM has none.
I doubt its possible, but worth a good discussion.
Would or is it possible to mine with RAM?
I understand how mining works, and understand what RAM is.
I'm just saying, I could go buy a shit load of ram and off-load it onto a dedi or two cheaper than these damn GFX cards. xD
You can't calculate with RAM. Why not use a harddrive then? Would or is it possible to mine with RAM?
I understand how mining works, and understand what RAM is.
I'm just saying, I could go buy a shit load of ram and off-load it onto a dedi or two cheaper than these damn GFX cards. xD
I doubt that.
I doubt its possible, but worth a good discussion.
Would or is it possible to mine with RAM?
I understand how mining works, and understand what RAM is.
I'm just saying, I could go buy a shit load of ram and off-load it onto a dedi or two cheaper than these damn GFX cards. xD
Would or is it possible to mine with RAM?
I understand how mining works, and understand what RAM is.
I'm just saying, I could go buy a shit load of ram and off-load it onto a dedi or two cheaper than these damn GFX cards. xD
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