RBI spokesperson misunderstands what "legal tender" refers to?

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Quote from: inrbtcad on November 14, 2013, 04:30:56 AM

Quote from: buysellbitcoin on November 13, 2013, 12:13:25 AM

Well regulations are good. Regulations are there mostly to get consumer protection. Think once if IRDA is not there what will happen in insurance sector. If TRAI is not there what will happen in telemarketing sector. There might be difference in opinion in their execution or effectiveness, but they are needed for sure.

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Regulation as a general principle is required when a significant portion of people/businesses are using a new kind of service/product. Regulation is promulgated to ensure that the interested entities act in a fair and transparent manner.

Most of the Govt Organisations all across the world act on a similar basis.

Given that bitcoin has not touched even 0.1% of Indian population, I am pretty sure RBI is acting rightly when they say "watching and learning".

Let us hope that bitcoin crosses the minimum threshold and regulation is introduced. By that time some of entities who are already dealing with Bitcoins will be asked to follow the regulations and at the same time will be given enough time to adhere to them.

Well i have always been anti regulation. it is only made to profit the richest companies and individual and does not take into consideration the population. IRDA and TRAI makes it impossible for a one man enterprise to enter that sector and innovate and provide proper growth. It usually stagnates growth and progress of a particular sector. Government regulation in full transparency of public review and implementation is the only way a regulation will work, in India that will never happen , its to corrupt.

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Quote from: buysellbitcoin on November 13, 2013, 12:13:25 AM

Well regulations are good. Regulations are there mostly to get consumer protection. Think once if IRDA is not there what will happen in insurance sector. If TRAI is not there what will happen in telemarketing sector. There might be difference in opinion in their execution or effectiveness, but they are needed for sure.

Regards

Regulation as a general principle is required when a significant portion of people/businesses are using a new kind of service/product. Regulation is promulgated to ensure that the interested entities act in a fair and transparent manner.

Most of the Govt Organisations all across the world act on a similar basis.

Given that bitcoin has not touched even 0.1% of Indian population, I am pretty sure RBI is acting rightly when they say "watching and learning".

Let us hope that bitcoin crosses the minimum threshold and regulation is introduced. By that time some of entities who are already dealing with Bitcoins will be asked to follow the regulations and at the same time will be given enough time to adhere to them.

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Well regulations are good. Regulations are there mostly to get consumer protection. Think once if IRDA is not there what will happen in insurance sector. If TRAI is not there what will happen in telemarketing sector. There might be difference in opinion in their execution or effectiveness, but they are needed for sure.

Regards

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A modicum of regulation is inevitable and (let's be honest) probably good for early adopters as it bids up the value of their holdings

Think the RBI is waiting for the USA and China to take a clear position first so they can calibrate a position off that

Wait and Watch

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Quote from: escrow.ms on November 12, 2013, 06:25:45 AM

Quote from: Benson Samuel on November 12, 2013, 05:00:04 AM

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That's why an "exchange" in india isn't good.

As Stephen Gornick had mentioned in the OP, mebbe they have not understood it yet.

Yeah i know, they have not understood it yet,.
Because once they do, they will try to regulate it and it won't be good for us.

Bitcoin offers the possibility of 2 scenarios.

We know that it cannot be completely regulated due to its characteristics, however there is a group of businesses and business owners who like regulation and their way of life.
RBI swooping in, will assist those groups of businesses to get onto Bitcoin a lot faster.

On the other hand, those who do not wish to follow regulation or 'paperwork' will still get their 'pound of flesh'.

There is no way to cover all grounds or even police 1% of Bitcoin transactions. Especially when there is no monetary reward for the policing agency.

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Quote from: Benson Samuel on November 12, 2013, 05:00:04 AM

Quote from: escrow.ms on November 12, 2013, 04:31:09 AM

That's why an "exchange" in india isn't good.

As Stephen Gornick had mentioned in the OP, mebbe they have not understood it yet.

Yeah i know, they have not understood it yet,.
Because once they do, they will try to regulate it and it won't be good for us.

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Quote from: escrow.ms on November 12, 2013, 04:31:09 AM

That's why an "exchange" in india isn't good.

As Stephen Gornick had mentioned in the OP, mebbe they have not understood it yet.

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That's why an "exchange" in india isn't good.

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Yes he did. Sorry for not posting the clarification, but he was very prompt in responding.
Please find below some parts of the mail trail.

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Dear Benson,

Thanks for sharing the link. To answer your query, it seems the RBI is not clear or doesn't yet want to take a stand on how it would like to regulate Bitcoin in India. Below in the email I have attached the reply I got from Alpana Killawala, Principal Chief General Manager, Department of Communication, RBI. It's the same quote we printed in the Mumbai Mirror story. On probing, the spokesperson did not provide clarification on the 'legal tender' bit of it. However, she told us "off the record" that there cannot be criminal proceeding against people who possess or deal in Bitcoins unless a fraud gets reported with the police.

In an earlier report on Bitcoins that appeared in The Economic Times in the month of August this year, an RBI spokeswoman was quoted as saying, "As of now we are watching and learning about the developments in Bitcoins but are not regulating it." Link: http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2013-08-14/news/41409715_1_bitcoin-gox-virtual-currency.

So, we might have to wait for a while to get clarity on the same.

Regards,

Ankit Ajmera

E-mail from RBI:

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Subject:   RE: Email from Mumbai Mirror - regarding regulations on Bitcoins
Date:   2013-09-27 16:45
Sender:   "Killawala, Alpana"
Recipient:   Ankit Ajmera

Dear Ankit

Bitcoin is not legal tender and trading in Bitcoin is therefore not legal. Obviously there cannot be regulations from RBI for an illegal activity. People who use it, do so at their own risk and responsibility.

You can use this as RBI response as in “In response to an email query from Mumbai Mirror, RBI said....

Regards

alpana

Alpana Killawala

Principal Chief General Manager

Department of Communication

Reserve Bank of India

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Quote from: Stephen Gornick on October 01, 2013, 02:26:07 PM

The recent article by Ankit Ajmera had this:

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The Reserve Bank of India, for instance, has not yet formulated regulations to govern trading or profits generated from Bitcoins. An RBI spokesperson told Mirror over email that the RBI doesn't consider Bitcoin legal tender and, therefore "trading in Bitcoin is not legal. Obviously, there cannot be regulations from RBI for an illegal activity. People who use it, do so at their own risk and responsibility."

- http://www.mumbaimirror.com/others/sunday-read/Bitcoin-billionaires/articleshow/23236886.cms

In the U.S., legal tender refers to what forms of money cannot be refused by a creditor for extinguishing of a debt. Legal tender does not dictate what can be used as money or currency.

Is the use of this term different in India?

This was in quotes, so presumably this is what Mr. Ajmera received in the e-mail from the RBI.

I can't believe a person would be spokesperson for RBI and have misunderstood what the term "legal tender" refers to, but it is possible.

Has anyone inquired (or if not, would anyone inquire) with the reporter and/or the RBI spokesperson to get clarification on this?

Will mail the reporter and check.

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The recent article by Ankit Ajmera had this:

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The Reserve Bank of India, for instance, has not yet formulated regulations to govern trading or profits generated from Bitcoins. An RBI spokesperson told Mirror over email that the RBI doesn't consider Bitcoin legal tender and, therefore "trading in Bitcoin is not legal. Obviously, there cannot be regulations from RBI for an illegal activity. People who use it, do so at their own risk and responsibility."

- http://www.mumbaimirror.com/others/sunday-read/Bitcoin-billionaires/articleshow/23236886.cms

In the U.S., legal tender refers to what forms of money cannot be refused by a creditor for extinguishing a debt. Legal tender does not dictate what can be used as money or currency.

Is the use of this term different in India?

This was in quotes, so presumably this is what Mr. Ajmera received in the e-mail from the RBI.

I can't believe a person would be spokesperson for RBI and have misunderstood what the term "legal tender" refers to, but it is possible.

Has anyone inquired (or if not, would anyone inquire) with the reporter and/or the RBI spokesperson to get clarification on this?

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