Topic: Read the rules and don't post plagiarised content. (Read 479 times)

In plagiarism, I view it like this. Imagine it this way, someone copied your life's work and just made it their own, and it's the same replica, no nothing, no reference, not cited, no anything. Direct copy and paste. Wouldn't you get hurt by that? Knowing they just stole your work without any permission? I wouldn't be happy with that because the hours I have put in are just minutes for them, and they didn't even break any sweat. These ethics apply to everything, whether in the forum, scientific articles, journals, news, inventions, etc. It's bad.

I imagine this behavior could be reflected in how you are IRL. If your character and attitude are like that, taking shortcuts, it's probably the same in the forum as well. I like how you showed the beginners what your future could be if everything is proper with that. Once you have taken a shortcut, then it's down the pole you go.

I'll keep it simple. There are a lot of ways to plagiarism in this forum, a few of them could be as a result of these factors which includes;

1. They either don't know the meaning of what the word means
2. They simply neglect and go ahead posting without reference to the source or three, they just don't know the rule.
3. They don't know what to post but really need to keep up with activities
4. They don't know the rules and regulations of the forum.

These are most likely the result but the later is not quite helpful as I'll put it simply in an equation;
Plagiarism posting rule:

Plagiarism = copy and paste - source = Ban
Plagiarism evasion = rephrase + source = OP = Active

Is either you you avoid or keep to the above rules respectively or that which is appropriate will be awarded you in accordance to the rules. Simple.

But what I observed plagiarism is not just a problem some users tend to paraphrase other contents or paraphrase the reply of other users in a topic which is also considered a violation right? But it will not be considered a violation if they add some concept after the paraphrasing and it same goes for plagiarism sometimes without knowing some users have similar contents maybe by accident.

I should disagree with you saying that no newbies would intentionally plagiarized cause they didn't see the rules, that's just not an acceptable reason, better way is to say sorry and just accept the punishment they deserve. Plagiarism is always and will always be not okay in the real world. In school, in work, ideas, business. The rule of plagiarism isn't created here in this forum. They should know that no one can steal the work of others. Are there any platform where plagiarism is all right?

I understand that they are newbies, they are still getting familiarized with the forum. But the topic here is plagiarism, even without seeing the rules, they should've known already that plagiarism isn't welcome anywhere. I would accept the reason that they can't find where the rules are and etc. if we are talking about the rules that are only here in bitcointalk, but it's their responsibility too. Some newbies are responsible, they can do it too.

I've seen a lot of members about this problem they are get banned because of plagiarism of course we have members who can find easily the full text also we have the google search engine to found out the original context. Also, we have the loyce.club to find out if there is thread recorded on this thread to support the accusations.

It's not hard to give the quotation and drop the link where you get the statement also I've seen even senior members who got banned their account because the reason is plagiarism.

Merit system gives more concrete hierarchy to the forum to prevent other members also know is to not following the rules.

This is a great analogy. And yeah. It's not that easy growing in rank, going up. You have to put in efforts. But to do that, you don't have to merely copy-paste something just so you can have a good quality post. Please please please include the source, the link. It doesn't have to be in a formal format like APA style or something. Just simply including the link is good.

BUT you also have to use your own words when posting. Here's what I personally do: I read the whole article or the news first, then my opinion about it is what I include in a post. And then, include the link in the end. I don't think it's hard, right?

As OP said, it's like climbing a greasy pole. As for me, it's not a walk in the park.

Here's the fact, plagiarism can't be done without you copying someone's else works and passing it as yours. It takes you been conscious of that action for that to occur. Them not knowing where the ruled are is no excuse, don't forget the rules aren't hidden instead they're pinned posts on most boards and for the other boards that the rules aren't pinned directly, we have other topics that highlighted the rules been pinned.

It's our obligation, duty to research and get families with the rules of a platform we're interacting with. We not doing that isn't an excuses to go breaking the rules. Basically when they plagiarized, judging from the content of the copied posts, it's quite obvious they (the offenders) were trying to get some reward for that posts. 99.9% of the time that's usually the fact.

There's no platform or system were plagiarism is welcomed, the forum doesn't have to be any different. Users who plagiarized are those looking for means to cheat their way to the top instead it f gradually following the legit means which involves constantly contributing qualitively to the discussion on the forum.

Agree, well one way is you should make us readers realize why you create the post anyway and why do you provide the link. You should not restate what have been written down on the link but you should elaborate or provide a new angle to the link. New idea, contradict, new opinion and etc. for you to own the post. Cause write ups are really easy easy to copy, but ideas and opinions about a certain write up is very hard to create unless you are knowledgeable about it.

Most of the new accounts here are posting bounty submission, they do not care for the forums rules all they want is to submit their report, I've seen some of them with hundreds of post zero merit and with no participation in the discussion if they are ban they are asking questions why they are ban, this forum is not about making money it's more about sharing information about Cryptocurrency.

Others that are doing and are actually considered as plagiarism copy and paste articles outside the forum and then post the link below is very common. Even not owning the post the user only acknowledge the owner by posting the link of the article here in the forum. When  we talk about discussions it would be on your own and then if you wanted to make some confirmations or validity of the post then you will going to use a supporting document for it to validate the data needed to convince the readers. However, it is difficult to implement it here and strictly imposed this kind of rule.

An interesting fact is that Newbies who come to the forum learn very quickly about the merit system. This area becomes clear to them from the first days. And the main goal of the forum is to increase the rank. Important forum rules are only read when one of their accounts is locked out.

Where do multi-letter themes come from newbies? And for what? This is a way to get merit. And here, very often, Newbies begins to use other people's articles, passing them off as their own, deliberately exceeding the value of what was written. But, as a rule, it immediately catches the eye, and we can guess about the consequences. Many leave the forum, offended by the "unfair" rules.

Plagiarism been around for some time, to the point that the rule on the matter was introduced around mid 2016 (see re: The Plagiarist, Ban Appeal and the Forum). That’s a year and a half before the introduction of the Merit System, so Merits are not the sole reason behind plagiarism, although it’s certainly a core driver.

Now beginners may be none the wiser about the rules during the first days/weeks, but forum policy dictates that plagiarism leads to a permanent ban (in the vast majority of the cases). I can’t see that changing into a sort system similar to driving licence points, whereby each penalty deducts from the individual counter, nor the rule being bent to allow for a one-off during the novice period. This does not, however, contradict the fact that rules could be made more explicit from the get-go (i.e. welcome message, warning in post edition header, etc.). 

Really beginners are been banned  because of  ignorant which  caused by lack of information, from my perspective  no newbies  who intentionally  plagiarized because he wants to earn merit, it's based on they are new to community and they have not acclimatised  with the rules and regulations of the forum to know that plagiarism has it implications to the community, because  I find out that some beginners  don't know the area or board they  can fine the rules of the forum, so therefore  in that aspect  their are totally  deformed  about  plagiarism.

See based on my personal  ideology why beginners who knows the basic laws that  guides bitcointalk community and the implications if caught  plagiarized is because them really  needs merit immensely in order  to elevate  to the forum which is supposed to be banned if caught  with  evidence.
I noticed that who ever that want to learn  will learn, because is recently  I noticed  were I can fine the board that discusse the protocols of forums, so some does not plagiarized intentionally.
I suggest let their be some measures  of banned to beginners because majority of them don't have guidance  before  joining  the forum and it will take  them period of time before  mastering  the system.

That would be seems better but it is a common sense to all of us here doing a post that we should not copied other's post. Really there are people that are not following instruction and If I am going to decide then I will let him be but they should regret if they get ban. This is another way for them to learn and we do not want users like them anyway being lazy to post that it is alright for them to copy and paste posts. We can't have this kind of user in the forum but if they can change then maybe this reply of DdmrDdmr may do better to change and lessen the burden of the MOds here in the forum.

That's unquestionable, and I think that we all agree on that, I reported my share of plagiarism cases as well. And as I said ignorance is not a valid excuse for breaking the rules. Not on this forum and not anywhere else.
I just think that it wouldn't be a bad idea to add some warning as others suggested. Costs nothing, and it might help fight plagiarism that's a real issue here.

Regardless whatever forum are strict or not, even whether bitcointalk is so much strict or not in plagiarism, it must not be done. The issue is not at all about the money making opportunity, rather it is unethical behavior whether through plagiarism one can make money or not. Plagiarist are theif, they steal other people's work and take the credit. That's how I observe it.
Take scam as an example, the forum doesn't moderate scam. That doesn't necessarily mean that if I scam someone, there's nothing to do or no one should stand up. Scam is crime and that's how it should be treated regardless of what forum itself is doing.

I would definitely like to see something like that. It is not too intrusive, and I don't see any drawbacks to this. Doesn't even have to be shown for all ranks, but maybe restrict it for newbies/Jr Member. Those who reach latter ranks should already know what's wrong and what's not. And who knows, this little warning might even yield some results and reduce plagiarism.



It is true that majority of those that plagiarize are very well aware of the fact that they are breaking forum rules and know the consequences of such actions, especially those that use spinbots, or are paraphrasing texts as they are trying to avoid detection. As always, ignorance is not a valid excuse, but occasionally some legit member will appear that doesn't know what's the proper way to deal with external texts.

As a matter of fact, I don't know any other forum with such strict rules regarding plagiarism ( and I am active on few of them  for almost 20 years), but I understand why is that needed, as this forum offers a way to earn some decent money by simply posting and that's not usually the case on other forums. With that simple addition suggested by @DdmrDdmr (and others before him) we might save few of those that would be positive contribution to this forum in the future.



It's very simple, most of them simply want to appear smarter and more knowledgeable than they really are, hoping that way they get more merit and rank up faster. Add on that generally lower English level, and you get current situation.

I just don't understand why some users do plagiarism besides due to laziness of constructing their thought.

It is not that hard to construct a sentence, you can state your thought by using simple words that are easy to understand and cite sources properly.

Plagiarizing is really a no no here in this forum, you should never do that, no matter what happens even if you are having trouble sharing your opinion in a form of phrases or sentences. It is better to make your own than copy pasting what other people or article says regarding the topic. It is very important to share your own opinion and state facts.

Yes, you are right. The plagiarism rate has decreased. But instead, plagiarism appeared, which is very difficult to detect. Instead of really expressing their thoughts, the newcomers began to paraphrase previously published texts. The saddest thing is that the beginners themselves do not want to understand what they are doing wrong.
At the moment I'm interested in two accounts, which for some reasons are not prohibited by moderators.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55263911
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55284592
 Any topic they create is simply paraphrased.

Therefore, it is still too early to talk about the success of eliminating plagiarism on the forum. Yes, we should be lenient with newbies, but only when it is not about direct violations.

Many people don't know what is plagiarism and the forum maybe the first place from which they learn the word plagiarism. Its cost to learn here is not good, permanent ban as a person not as a user or member.

In developing nations, plagiarism is not a problem, governments don't care, universities don't care or if they care, tools to detect plagiarism and rules for plagiarism are not clear, not well discussed and composed.

I read some members say the forum is the only one forum that has permanent ban if members do plagiarism. Is this info correct?

I doubt it would bring any of good benefits at all as they don't care actually. Plagiarist always thought they could get away from forum mods or they don't care. There are very few plagiarist who plagiarize without knowing how much stupid work it is. More or less plagiarism is known to everyone and they are well aware of plagiarism in other places too.

Yeah it has been proposed before but I can't find the thread at the moment.

Probably we both are reading a different thread because I see no atom of anger in the post above instead it sounds like a concerned forum user airing his views on the current trending topic and just giving some friendly advise as bonus. From my observation the rate of plagiarism is steadily reducing or probably I'm been decieved with the lack of frequent appeals in their numbers as we had before. Forgive my ignorance though if none of the above statements are accurate since I barely spend much time on meta board this days. There's enough captivating discussion going on, on other board than that of the meta board.

Plagiarism isn't a new word so we all should be familiarize with it by now. It's that simple that if you genuinely what to contribute to a discussion, you should do so without having to copy someone else works to pass it as yours. The rules has been on the forum for a very long time that no one has the excuse of not seeing them as a reason to go plagiarism someone else work.

If you're to understand plagiarism as 'Stealing' then you'll get the reason behind it having a huge punishments as permanent ban for most cases. It pains me too that brilliant minds are getting blinded by wanting to impress others in hurting for merit as a result, ends up plagiarizing brilliant works from the web to pass it as theirs. Just maybe if some pressure are reduce from this new members in creating high standpipe posts, then the rate of this crime on the forum will reduce. That's let's just let the new members been themselves instead of pressuring them into what they aren't.

As I was reading your post, I felt the anger in you Jet cash, to be sincere,  you are not supposed to be creating this type of thread, but I think you need to make it clear that enough is enough. It's really pained to see series of ban appeals on meta board because of plagiarism mistakes which however mod kept dumb ears to them and that's perfect.

There was a specific reason why the pinned post of beginners and help board is titled  "newbies-read before posting" that is to help secure new registrants from performing plagiarism and copy pasting contents habit, but instead they ignore those thread and start posting uninstructively. It's really good as you came in B&H board to lay your concern because the fault specifically comes from here. I hope this could be reduced in due time.

Everyone in the forum is obliged to obey the rules properly, it is made to ensure a safe, stable, and peaceful community. Associated with the rules is the punishment, so once you have committed some mistakes when it comes to the rules then you have to accept the responsibility wholeheartedly because you chose that path. If you are thinking of copying other people's work, think of the time, effort, and the work he poured just to finish it.

There are some types of them:
- They know the rules but still don't believe the punishment
- They do not know and do not want to know
- They are in hurry to post something that they see/think/feel
- They only follow other, make posts (no matter what)
- They really don't know and they are lazy

Well, we may not say all of the newbies are doing this, but some of them did those.
Shitposters and plagiarism, very common to be found here 

They will admit doing so because they have been punished and will still do the same if they are not yet punished.

or sometimes, they also don't know what meant by "plagiarism"??

Perhaps a gentle reminder in a place nobody can avoid could go a long way … although probably still rendering mild results, but you can’t really beat about the bush with someone who does not take the explicit hints, such as is exemplified in the image below (see text in red):



Note:  I’m pretty sure that, in all likelihood, this has been proposed before, although I do not recall if and when (*). It could be a message that displays constantly, or only for certain ranks and/or time.

(*) found it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47116912

With regards to this quote and in light with OP, I like to ask this question:
Is it that, the pinned post/sticky thread isn't click bait enough? Or
New users don't really understand the rules and so choose to ignore or just wants to test it?

It's actually a problem as the trend can continue if not treated.
The pinned post or sticky thread had been made that way, as the top posts on every board so as to be, the first point of contact upon access to any board.

New users always don't read forum rules so they are always banned from forums because they follow existing regulations, about content plagiarism now there is a lot of happening even discussions shared with their links don't think what is being discussed I think they just copy without thinking about anything else that posts like that are wrong, and obviously I think beginners should be able to see how to post with existing sources

I think this needs action to prevent them from committing plagiarism and it violates forum rules.

Plagiarism is also illegal in other websites and other platforms, so a newbie can't reason anything if they are committed plagiarism.

I guess the main thing here in newbies are just lazy to read the rules here in the forum but its also difficult to find where the rules if your just a newbie, but still a lot of members help newbies to know what is the rules of the forum and its no brainer to not read the rules first when stating in a forum so you can't really make an excuse to the moderators.

In my observation newbies are lazy to make their own post so they copy something in google and make it their own without putting links or any acknowledgment.

To add to what others have said, the rules require you to add a link for it not to be plagiarism, but sometimes adding just a link after copying the original post or article verbatim is somewhat plagiarism (even if you'll likely not be banned), and could get your account nuked or banned temporarily, if a user keeps up with that style of posting.

It's a pretty easy way for lazy users to make posts and Increase their activity, especially in the press board and other sections of the forum, but if you are sharing someone's article, you should put it in a way other users can discuss on the subject, and you should likewise share your opinion for other users to discuss, as only a link is most times hardly enough.

They are too lazy to embrace the power of change, most of them don't care much about the forum rules but will care to make complaints after account BAN for plagiarism. Basically, the forum has given many options in this regard but yet noobs don't want this soft landing: do the copy and ensure to include the links to the content isn't much to ask of.

Although this topic has been discussed multiple times, reminding a good thing will help newbies to realize the result of plagiarism. To be honest, the main problem is newbies aren't encouraged to read forum rules and eventually ending up with the ban. Most newbies have been joining on the forum just for earning money and they do not care about contributions. Who copy-pasting other's work, they know that's it's a crime since they copy-pasting it consciously. But they don't know that they would get a ban for this.

No one can help us if we don't like to help ourselves. We should have the sense to realize which is wrong and which is right. There are so many things we should learn on the forum including forum rules. Although we can't help others we can save our own account by avoiding plagiarism.

Please give me one post to advertise my topic [TIPS] to avoid plagiarism

In last one month, plagiarism violations and ban appeals are increasing.

Plagiarism and spamming belongs to the same illegitimate categories, it is usually done by people that do not want to learn but to copy and paste other peoples contents. Some people even do not know where the rules are, all they want to do is to post, some people are clearly seeing the link to the rules but they do not want to read it at all until they make mistake. But, normally, why are newbies like copying, this is wrong, and at least, there is an option to include the link, but they will still not. I too will advise them to read the rules, and they should not copy and paste, even if it a a single line they copied from another source, the link must be added to it, they should go on the forum easy, it is not only about posting, but also about posting quality contents that are authentic and meritable.

The best newbies can do is to first learn, not only thinking about the merit, but learning how merited posts are, with time, they will get to know the forum better, instead of rushing. If they know about the forum to and extent, they will see the forum so interesting. But, the start may not be easy as they have to learn a lot rather than plagiarizing and spamming what could get them into trouble all because they want to earn merits. If they learn, merit will come there ways.

I also read the content of a member who is asking help for his /her account, well, in fact, he had admitted that he committed plagiarism, so basically, he/she doesn't even read first the rules of the forum because he/she has the courage to post that appeal. He made a mistake by committing a violation which resulted in the banning of the account.

Being a beginner is not an excuse to be free from violating the rules, we should obey or follow it because it will make our forum organized. We should also respect our moderators because they are just doing their job for our forum.

Just to help beginners, here are the good links to help them:
Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
Newbies - Read before posting

Actually those ban users are the old users who were here before doing copy and paste posts but are now getting reported and ban. As I had check the altcoins and bounty section most of the users joining in the campaign are newbies that could do social media bounty. Barely I can see a jr. member rank and up doing bounty reports. Most reports nowadays are not done in the forum too where thet required to use the google form in their bounty reports. It seems like there is huge improvement from the day the rank and merit system was implemented. Active online members are few and so does the activity here in the forum. I do not know if it is a good indicator for the forum or not but only I can say that rank and merit system has made a great impact to reduce activity traffic in the forum.

This is something done by a lot of newbies as either they really don't know what to post or they aren't aware what they are doing is counted as plagiarism. The latter mainly involved people who still paraphrase or just copy the whole content without providing any links both of which will just merit you a violation for plagiarism. When I say the word "paraphrase" they aren't really paraphrasing the text they have copied but they just simply switch words with other similar words just to make it look like their own which isn't really the right way of doing paraphrasing. Paraphrasing in a sense must be done after you have understood the text and then explaining it in your own words, for me this is much easier compared to looking for synonyms and then just replacing it.

I'm constantly seeing posts by new members asking for help because they have been banned for breaking the rules here. Now i shouldn't really have to start a thread like this, but please read the rules before you get chucked out of the forum. You should also know that you shouldn't plagiarise other people's work. That included images as well as text. I know it is tempting to post a startling revelation that you have read, but don't just copy it. Provide a link, and add a comment to explain why the concept is so interesting. This rule is common to most forums on the net.

Moving up through the ranks is like climbing a greasy pole, and there is far more grease at the beginning.  Keep your hands clean, and you will find that there is far less grease to make things difficult as you move out of the tub. Read the rules, and you will soon discover the safe hand holds. As you move up the pole, you will be able to see the bright landscape of the crypto world. It is an amazing view, and it is well worth the effort you make to realise it.