Received negative because I want to sell my account

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Quote from: paka on October 29, 2015, 07:12:51 AM

Quote from: MarkMJ on October 29, 2015, 07:04:45 AM

I will not stop to give negative to all users that give me free negative for nothingDOT Sad

How will that gonna help your situation?

It won't, and he's just being childish.

Check out my untrusted feedback list and you'll see what I mean. Now I'm a scammer, apparently. Roll Eyes

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Quote from: paka on October 29, 2015, 07:12:51 AM

Quote from: MarkMJ on October 29, 2015, 07:04:45 AM

I will not stop to give negative to all users that give me free negative for nothingDOT Sad

How will that gonna help your situation?

I never said he will help me!!!

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Quote from: MarkMJ on October 29, 2015, 07:04:45 AM

I will not stop to give negative to all users that give me free negative for nothingDOT Sad

How will that gonna help your situation?

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I will not stop to give negative to all users that give me free negative for nothingDOT Sad

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Quote from: owlcatz on October 02, 2015, 06:08:45 PM

Quote from: MarkMJ on October 02, 2015, 05:31:00 PM

Quote from: Mitchełł on October 02, 2015, 08:22:43 AM

Quote from: MarkMJ on October 02, 2015, 07:49:36 AM

Check this proof please
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1197402.20
So I receive a negative from you because I want to sell my account
Right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is correct. Once again, you cannot proof that you haven't sold the account as you can easily give your private key to the buying party (which seems to be common practice these days).

So you have something with me?
Just tell me and I will stop posting via forum
Waiting reply here.

You're likely going to be waiting a long time, and nobody is going to be removing their rating.

Move along now, your new account above is waiting for you! Check it out, I even left you some neutral trust! Enjoy!

Last post deleted,there is any next user that want to know my story?
Just users that give me negative.

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Quote from: MarkMJ on October 02, 2015, 05:31:00 PM

Quote from: Mitchełł on October 02, 2015, 08:22:43 AM

Quote from: MarkMJ on October 02, 2015, 07:49:36 AM

Check this proof please
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1197402.20
So I receive a negative from you because I want to sell my account
Right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is correct. Once again, you cannot proof that you haven't sold the account as you can easily give your private key to the buying party (which seems to be common practice these days).

So you have something with me?
Just tell me and I will stop posting via forum
Waiting reply here.

You're likely going to be waiting a long time, and nobody is going to be removing their rating.

Move along now, your new account above is waiting for you! Check it out, I even left you some neutral trust! Enjoy!

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Quote from: Mitchełł on October 02, 2015, 08:22:43 AM

Quote from: MarkMJ on October 02, 2015, 07:49:36 AM

Check this proof please
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1197402.20
So I receive a negative from you because I want to sell my account
Right? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

That is correct. Once again, you cannot proof that you haven't sold the account as you can easily give your private key to the buying party (which seems to be common practice these days).

So you have something with me?
Just tell me and I will stop posting via forum
Waiting reply here.

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Quote from: newbitcoins2020 on October 02, 2015, 01:53:50 AM

xetsr - your a big joker of this thread and what ever you posted on this thread is completely BS

If account selling is allowed on this forum then if sell with alt or same account what is difference?

And the person do not even have idea to sell account with alt account to avoid negative feedback then how you can think he can do scamming or any bad things?

You just spoiled just financial support - do not know why he was selling.

Just because you have green trust do not try to behave like a ...........

Now a days in this forum people like you having green trust scamming every one and forcing seller to create alt account. Since your forcing to create alt account for that you should be red trust.

Hey MarkMJ, good luck on the new account. Maybe you learned a valuable lesson. Maybe not. Time will tell. Tongue

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Never mind, I see the user has posted our PMs above. My rating stands for itself, and I don't believe anyone can prove this account was sold or not at this point, signed message or not.

Cheers,
Owlcatz

Edit - There is an open scam accusation against this user here. Even though I don't buy it since Glem is also accused, I thought it should be noted as well. Wink

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Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 08:30:38 PM

Quote from: newtons1 on September 30, 2015, 08:24:04 PM

Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 08:03:00 PM

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He is also selling some other accounts as a package, and it is possible that some of those accounts have some value as well, although I really am not sure.

They have value and you should know exactly why someone would buy this package.

Do you think someone with this package of accounts would be able to scam >1.2 BTC? If you do then yes the negative trust is correct to be on his account.

I do not see any reason why anyone would think it is a good idea to trust him with 0.01 BTC, let alone 1.2 BTC. The fact that I am dealing with the original owner does not change the amount I am going to be willing to trust someone with.

I was implying that maybe a payza account has value because the person buying it would not have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it to work. The same with perfectmoney, and the others.

Maybe someone else who needs money and is considering to sell his account is going to see this situation and instead of trying to sell his account he will try to scam instead to pay whatever bill he needs paid.

Okay. So, you leave negative feed for no collateral loans and trades done for reputation? What if someone was buying trust from those loans or trades to make loans or trades easier in the future? What if they decided to scam because they were not able to get a loan. See where I'm going with this?

This is starting to get off-topic now. FYI - I wasn't wasn't calling OP a scammer, just pointing out why this looks shady. They seemed to be confused on why they received the negative trust in the first place.

xetsr - your a big joker of this thread and what ever you posted on this thread is completely BS

If account selling is allowed on this forum then if sell with alt or same account what is difference?

And the person do not even have idea to sell account with alt account to avoid negative feedback then how you can think he can do scamming or any bad things?

You just spoiled just financial support - do not know why he was selling.

Just because you have green trust do not try to behave like a ...........

Now a days in this forum people like you having green trust scamming every one and forcing seller to create alt account. Since your forcing to create alt account for that you should be red trust.

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you could have given the private key of that address to the buyer so that they can sign a message using it.

for the record: I don't believe that your account is already sold.

besides, it looks like mitchell left you a negative feedback because you are selling it, not because you already sold it.

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Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 06:45:45 PM

Quote from: newtons1 on September 30, 2015, 06:42:56 PM

There is no rule against selling accounts and most sold accounts appear to be used for signature campaigns therefore I do not believe that a sold account is a scam per say se. I would suggest that whoever left MarkMJ negative trust to change it to neutral if they wish to warn others to ignore previous feedback.

This is not a usual account sale. See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12550819 . Negative feedback should not be removed.

Notice the high price because of the "free" stuff included? Who pays 1.2 BTC for a senior account they plan on using for sig campaigns Roll Eyes

I haven't been around here lately but are prices for accounts really that high now? Here I was thinking prices would be dropping because of all the farmers.

Here is the post in case the above thread is deleted:

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Hello

I'm selling this account + my
perfectmoney
solidtrustpay
paypal
payza
advcash
NO PAPERS will be included
All for 1.2 btc (negotiable)
Waiting pm if you want to know more details

Justa short information: even if there was no scam ever intended, the negative rating would still be okay.

Once, I also wasn't okay with some ratings which - in my old opinion - were unjustified due to no scam being involved.
I suggest reading theymos' thread where he announced the trust feature. He gives some examples about possible cases for ratings, and he also states that the trust section would be a proper place to leave some general feedback about the user. So, at the end of the day, negative trust would also be okay if it was like "user rants at others for no apparent reason". No need for an intended scam.

It's up to everyone if he likes that, but that's what it was invented for - amongst others.

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Quote from: Shield on October 01, 2015, 04:41:59 AM

I have replied to your message and agreed to remove my feedback but since your password was reset so we need confirmation that account is still controlled by real owner

sign a message using your bitcoin address
113kewskzhF1XEGDmVYaphvzVmHjiVk69c
112RyTsEkxcj1wxrrK58RCgELL1pWyrpk3

sign below message using any of the above listed address to confirm that you are real owner of the account

sign this

This is MarkMJ from bitcointalk forum date 1 oct. 2015

Hello

Waiting reply via pm,
Check your pm

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I have replied to your message and agreed to remove my feedback but since your password was reset so we need confirmation that account is still controlled by real owner

sign a message using your bitcoin address
113kewskzhF1XEGDmVYaphvzVmHjiVk69c
112RyTsEkxcj1wxrrK58RCgELL1pWyrpk3

sign below message using any of the above listed address to confirm that you are real owner of the account

sign this

This is MarkMJ from bitcointalk forum date 1 oct. 2015

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I do not know why but now I am happy that I did not have the luck to sell this acc

Dear unverified

I'm sorry for what i've just said above if you still need pm acc make a post to my official thread 50% discount

Dear xetsr

Thank you for writing all the text,but
I never said that you scam
It was an example
Read again please and you will understand what I'm traing to say by you scam,you sell

Dear newtons1

When you will need an pm acc please don't forget that I sell some,
Everything is legit of course but for more info pm and I will explain you all before buying

Now I'm waiting for admin/mod to confirm that I'm the same person
Then fuck the negative because is just red.

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Quote from: newtons1 on September 30, 2015, 08:24:04 PM

Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 08:03:00 PM

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He is also selling some other accounts as a package, and it is possible that some of those accounts have some value as well, although I really am not sure.

They have value and you should know exactly why someone would buy this package.

Do you think someone with this package of accounts would be able to scam >1.2 BTC? If you do then yes the negative trust is correct to be on his account.

I do not see any reason why anyone would think it is a good idea to trust him with 0.01 BTC, let alone 1.2 BTC. The fact that I am dealing with the original owner does not change the amount I am going to be willing to trust someone with.

I was implying that maybe a payza account has value because the person buying it would not have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it to work. The same with perfectmoney, and the others.

Maybe someone else who needs money and is considering to sell his account is going to see this situation and instead of trying to sell his account he will try to scam instead to pay whatever bill he needs paid.

Okay. So, you leave negative feed for no collateral loans and trades done for reputation? What if someone was buying trust from those loans or trades to make loans or trades easier in the future? What if they decided to scam because they were not able to get a loan. See where I'm going with this?

This is starting to get off-topic now. FYI - I wasn't wasn't calling OP a scammer, just pointing out why this looks shady. They seemed to be confused on why they received the negative trust in the first place.

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Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 08:03:00 PM

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He is also selling some other accounts as a package, and it is possible that some of those accounts have some value as well, although I really am not sure.

They have value and you should know exactly why someone would buy this package.

Do you think someone with this package of accounts would be able to scam >1.2 BTC? If you do then yes the negative trust is correct to be on his account.

I do not see any reason why anyone would think it is a good idea to trust him with 0.01 BTC, let alone 1.2 BTC. The fact that I am dealing with the original owner does not change the amount I am going to be willing to trust someone with.

I was implying that maybe a payza account has value because the person buying it would not have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get it to work. The same with perfectmoney, and the others.

Maybe someone else who needs money and is considering to sell his account is going to see this situation and instead of trying to sell his account he will try to scam instead to pay whatever bill he needs paid.

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Dear newtons1

I really appreciate the effort but not worth to receive an negative because of me
70% happans that people make some help also get negative
I hope you will not get one
And about my value of this:
perfectmoney
solidtrustpay
paypal
payza
advcash
Only pm acc worth about 500 USD because is old verified and green with 6933

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Quote from: MarkMJ on September 30, 2015, 07:50:13 PM

Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 06:45:45 PM

This is not a usual account sale. See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12550819 . Negative feedback should not be removed.

Notice the high price because of the "free" stuff included? Who pays 1.2 BTC for a senior account they plan on using for sig campaigns Roll Eyes

I haven't been around here lately but are prices for accounts really that high now? Here I was thinking prices would be dropping because of all the farmers.

When you're desperate and you need money you have two options
1 you scam
2 you sell something at a reasonable price with all that you can sell_give
But you are to stupid and prefer to scam
Me not.

LOL. I don't scam. You're the one selling trust (as in selling an account with trust) and in return, received negative trust. I wasn't even calling you a scammer or anything but you go ahead and try to insult me Cheesy

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He is also selling some other accounts as a package, and it is possible that some of those accounts have some value as well, although I really am not sure.

They have value and you should know exactly why someone would buy this package.

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Quote from: MarkMJ on September 29, 2015, 09:02:50 AM

Quote from: MarkMJ on October 01, 2015, 12:37:58 AM

Why do you give me negative?
When I said it is your fault?
I just said "You stupid tip got me 2 negative"
And why do you swear for no reason?

What? YOu accused me of gettting you negatives. YOU, or the former account holder did that, not ME, ok?!

Because people & Scammers I hate, is why I swear at you, moron.

Good day.

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Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 06:45:45 PM

Quote from: newtons1 on September 30, 2015, 06:42:56 PM

There is no rule against selling accounts and most sold accounts appear to be used for signature campaigns therefore I do not believe that a sold account is a scam per say se. I would suggest that whoever left MarkMJ negative trust to change it to neutral if they wish to warn others to ignore previous feedback.

This is not a usual account sale. See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12550819 . Negative feedback should not be removed.

Notice the high price because of the "free" stuff included? Who pays 1.2 BTC for a senior account they plan on using for sig campaigns Roll Eyes

I haven't been around here lately but are prices for accounts really that high now? Here I was thinking prices would be dropping because of all the farmers.

Here is the post in case the above thread is deleted:

Quote

Hello

I'm selling this account + my
perfectmoney
solidtrustpay
paypal
payza
advcash
NO PAPERS will be included
All for 1.2 btc (negotiable)
Waiting pm if you want to know more details

The price is set by the market, not by the buyer's intent.

Someone who is going to buy a handgun with the plan of using it to rob a 7-11 is not going to pay a higher price for said gun then someone who plans to use their handgun to protect their family from intruders.

If his price is above the market price then someone who plans to buy an account to try to scam with will buy a lower priced account with the same ranking/trust level. The same is true for someone who plans to buy an account for signature campaign purposes. Both people will pay approximately the same price.

He is also selling some other accounts as a package, and it is possible that some of those accounts have some value as well, although I really am not sure.

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Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 06:45:45 PM

This is not a usual account sale. See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12550819 . Negative feedback should not be removed.

Notice the high price because of the "free" stuff included? Who pays 1.2 BTC for a senior account they plan on using for sig campaigns Roll Eyes

I haven't been around here lately but are prices for accounts really that high now? Here I was thinking prices would be dropping because of all the farmers.

When you're desperate and you need money you have two options
1 you scam
2 you sell something at a reasonable price with all that you can sell_give
But you are to stupid and prefer to scam
Me not.

Quote from: unverified on September 30, 2015, 07:20:57 PM

MarkMJ why you don't answer me to my email?please refund my perfectmoney that I pay some minutes ago Cry

Check again you pm acc and that make a fucking post.

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MarkMJ why you don't answer me to my email?please refund my perfectmoney that I pay some minutes ago Cry

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Quote from: MarkMJ on September 30, 2015, 07:02:52 PM

Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 06:45:45 PM

Here is the post in case the above thread is deleted:

Why the hell would I want to delete that thread when I just said above that I just change my mind?

So you don't get anymore negative feedback. You can say what you want, but I'm sure others would not believe you after seeing: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12553673

Just pointing out why you most likely received negative trust and why it most likely won't be removed.

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Quote from: xetsr on September 30, 2015, 06:45:45 PM

Here is the post in case the above thread is deleted:

Why the hell would I want to delete that thread when I just said above that I just change my mind?

I will not give any negative back in case you waiting!
Take you time and make me red as possible.

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Quote from: MarkMJ on September 30, 2015, 06:56:16 PM

An moderator or admin can tell if I'm the same or not
By checking the e-mail and my signature
Anyway if not will be rezolved I will leave bitcoin forever but I will take care of something
I have a text,a word in real life!
Time will solve all.

You're selling all your other accounts, why not the email address + private keys?

Negative feedback should not be removed just because you claim you decided not to sale after you were caught. You even went as far as posting: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12553673 - You're only attracting more negative trust right now.

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An moderator or admin can tell if I'm the same or not
By checking the e-mail and my signature
Anyway if not will be rezolved I will leave bitcoin forever but I will take care of something
I have a text,a word in real life!
Time will solve all.

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Quote from: newtons1 on September 30, 2015, 06:42:56 PM

There is no rule against selling accounts and most sold accounts appear to be used for signature campaigns therefore I do not believe that a sold account is a scam per say se. I would suggest that whoever left MarkMJ negative trust to change it to neutral if they wish to warn others to ignore previous feedback.

This is not a usual account sale. See: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12550819 . Negative feedback should not be removed.

Notice the high price because of the "free" stuff included? Who pays 1.2 BTC for a senior account they plan on using for sig campaigns Roll Eyes

I haven't been around here lately but are prices for accounts really that high now? Here I was thinking prices would be dropping because of all the farmers.

Here is the post in case the above thread is deleted:

Quote

Hello

I'm selling this account + my
perfectmoney
solidtrustpay
paypal
payza
advcash
NO PAPERS will be included
All for 1.2 btc (negotiable)
Waiting pm if you want to know more details

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There is no rule against selling accounts and most sold accounts appear to be used for signature campaigns therefore I do not believe that a sold account is a scam per say se. I would suggest that whoever left MarkMJ negative trust to change it to neutral if they wish to warn others to ignore previous feedback.

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You probably should've just been more careful when you were trying to sell your account. Posting from the account you're looking to sell is not smart and getting negative ratings due to it is not something that hasn't happened around here before. Should've used an alt account to post without revealing the true identity of the account being sold. Trust ratings aren't moderated so if these people wish to keep their ratings on you to prevent you from selling the account in the future they will do so.

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Quote from: MarkMJ on September 30, 2015, 06:34:14 PM

So if I change my mind what do I need to do?
To make a special paper for bitcointalk by saying I change my mind?
This is not good at all

Sucks for you. You basically told everyone here what you would do: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12553673 - Create a new account and try to sell again. Now the account is worthless and I doubt anyone is gonna believe you when you say you've changed your mind and the account is not for sale.

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So if I change my mind what do I need to do?
To make a special paper for bitcointalk by saying I change my mind?
This is not good at all

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Thank satoshi

Quote from: MarkMJ on September 30, 2015, 06:20:07 PM

Hello

I just receive 2 negative
Reason: I want to sell my account and I change my password
What's roung with that?
Please removed my negative because I can proof that is still my account
I have my e-mail that is hidden via my profile and also acc from bit-x signature
Please check and reply.

account sales are discouraged so it is really not that surprising to see someone get a negative feedback for that.
others might argue that neutral should be enough but in the end it is not wrong to leave a negative feedback when you see someone putting their account for sale.

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This is more then a bitcointalk.org account sale. It appears you're also selling all other accounts attached to it so I highly doubt anyone is willing to buy your account for sig ~~spamming~~ campaigns. You're selling trust which is frowned upon. The negative trust was most likely added to warn others that they are not dealing with the original owner of the account / exchanger.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12553673 - LOL. Good luck trying to convince others your account is not for sale anymore.

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Quote from: owlcatz on September 29, 2015, 08:16:53 AM
Quote from: MarkMJ on September 29, 2015, 06:19:10 AM
Quote from: Nobitcoin on September 29, 2015, 06:05:28 AM
Well I dunno if you had the red trust before or after your announcement but there's no way someone is going to pay that amount for your inventory. A senior account is only worth at best 0.3 correct me if I'm wrong.

Why there is no way?
I will answer to this question before you read it
Because you say so.
People like you transform people like me in something not GOOD at all.

Maybe you should have tried selling your account using another username? Roll Eyes

I will create another acc
Thank you very much for this tip
Thread close.

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Hello

I just receive 2 negative
Reason: I want to sell my account and I change my password
What's roung with that?
Please removed my negative because I can proof that is still my account
I have my e-mail that is hidden via my profile and also acc from bit-x signature
Please check and reply.

Edit:

Now are 4 negative

Topic: Received negative because I want to sell my account (Read 2906 times)