Topic: REEE: Donald Trump Hasn't Yet Been Impeached. What's Next? [serious discussion] (Read 1249 times)

Probably some form of laws against being tried for the same offense twice would exist stop even an impeachment for the same thing again. It would have to be different things each time.

A Singularity of Impeachment.

First, one a term, then per year, month, day, minute, microsecond...

Let's see if we can make Trump to be the first American President to be impeached more than once! I mean, the Dems haven't learned at all. They are going to do it again... you just watch! And it will make Trump stronger than ever. He'll be so strong that Americans might not let him retire at the end of his second term!


Schiff Is Laying Groundwork for Tying Up Trump's Second Term in More False Charges

Very strange how Julian Assange, the most important witness in the sham impeachment trial, and the prior sham Russia investigation, was never called.

https://apnews.com/3934adc00f38667b267345b8628e4f12

LONDON (AP) — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange plans to claim during an extradition hearing that the Trump administration offered him a pardon if he agreed to say Russia was not involved in leaking Democratic National Committee emails during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, a lawyer for Assange said Wednesday.

Assange is being held at a British prison while fighting extradition to the United States on spying charges. His full court hearing is due to begin next week.

At a preliminary hearing held in London, lawyer Edward Fitzgerald said now-former Republican congressman, Dana Rohrabacher, visited Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London in August 2017.


Fitzgerald said a statement from another Assange lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, recounted “Mr. Rohrabacher going to see Mr. Assange and saying, on instructions from the president, he was offering a pardon or some other way out, if Mr. Assange ... said Russia had nothing to do with the DNC leaks.”

Responding to the the lawyer’s claims, White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said, “This is absolutely and completely false.”

President Donald Trump “barely knows Dana Rohrabacher other than he’s an ex-congressman. He’s never spoken to him on this subject or almost any subject,” Grisham said. “It is a complete fabrication and a total lie. This is probably another never-ending hoax and total lie from the DNC.”

Emails embarrassing for the Democrats and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign were hacked before being published by WikiLeaks in 2016.

In a statement linked on his Twitter account, Rohrabacher said he never spoke with Trump about Assange and was not directed by the president or anyone else connected with him to meet with Assange.

Recounting his meeting with the WikiLeaks founder, Rohrabacher said he told him “that if he could provide me information and evidence about who actually gave him the DNC emails, I would then call on President Trump to pardon him. At no time did I offer a deal made by the President, nor did I say I was representing the President.”

He said he met briefly on his return with then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and told him that Assange would provide information about the purloined DNC emails in exchange for a pardon. Rohrabacher said no one followed up with him “and that was the last discussion I had on this subject with anyone representing Trump or in his administration.”

District Judge Vanessa Baraitser said the evidence was admissible in the extradition case.

Assange appeared at London’s Westminster Magistrates’ Court by video link from Belmarsh prison, where he is being held as he awaits his extradition hearing.

U.S. prosecutors have charged the 48-year-old Australian computer hacker with espionage over WikiLeaks’ hacking of hundreds of thousands of confidential government documents. If found guilty, he faces up to 175 years in jail.

He argues he was acting as a journalist entitled to First Amendment protection.

"Lawyer Robert Barnes: Why Impeachment NEEDS a Crime - Viva Frei Live Stream HIGHLIGHT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyN9R_MCWSA

I'd be good with some admitting they are just Trump Haters.

Why not come out of the closet?

It's no big deal and they certainly have a lot of company.

Yes, lets all move on from how obviously wrong you were for supporting an illegal coup attempt perpetrated by known criminals and move to other topics! You don't like deleting posts, or you don't like deleting posts that agree with you? Seems like there are more than a few perfectly valid deleted posts above.

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Quote from: Viper1 on Today at 06:29:13 AM
Given most of the posts on this page and the previous page, I guess any serious Trump impeachment discussion has ended and is now devolving into conspiracy talk, Trump worship and the like. Awesome. I thought those that worship Trump and conspiracy theories had their own derivative thread to do that in.


Quite on the contrary, it would not bother me if people wished to continue discussing impeaching Trump, and all that Russian Collusion. After all, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Maybe this could become a permanent subject, like the enemy EurAsia in 1984?
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Quote from: TwitchySeal on February 07, 2020, 02:26:14 PM
Authoritarians keep their power, and gain more, by abusing the power they already have.  They attack anyone who disagrees with them or threatens their power with harassment, smear campaigns, (sound familiar?) or worse.

You mean like the "Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia" Scandal that was a flop

You mean the investigation that uncovered exactly how and who interfered in our election process, down to the bitcoin transactions and all of the different online identities the Russians used along with their real ones?  13 Russians, Trumps personal lawyer, his campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, National Security Advisor and a couple others that were part of his campaign were all indicted by grand juries and the Americans have either pled guilty or were found guilty by a jury of their peers.

How is that a flop?

The only reason anyone thinks it was a hoax or a scam is because Trump said so 10+ times a day for 2 years.  But it actually wasn't all about Trump the way he made it seem.  The investigation was into "Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections".


3 1/2 years of trying to get rid of Trump was what it was all about.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on February 04, 2020, 07:28:34 PM
Flynn worked out a plea deal to *only* be charged with a single count of lying to the FBI.

He was acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Turkey, he discussed sanctions with Russia after he was named National Security Advisor but while Obama was still president, and then he lied about to the Vice President and the FBI.  When he found out he was being investigated, he filed some FARA documents that also had lies in them.

If he would've been charged with all the crimes he admitted to (under penalty of perjury) , he would be facing spending the rest of his life in prison.

Defending him is like defending a guy who was speeding and drunk getting pulled over and let off with only a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Quote from: Spendulus on February 04, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
How much do you understand about FBI standard operating procedure? Google "FBI entrapment" maybe add "drugs".

OR if you still have problems understanding, go to Glocktalk.com, discussion forum for gun owners but mostly LEO, and ask the simple question, "Is entrapment a typical FBI technique." I am not seeing where you have a problem with me. You have a problem trying to thread a needle to get to some desirable conclusions, but that's no concern of mine.
Quote from: Spendulus on February 04, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
Why would your recitation of opinions be relevant?

I'm gonna delete any posts that say stuff like this from now on to keep the thread from going to shit.  Please stop.


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Great.

What's next?
Trump's been Impeached.
What's next?
Twitch recommends cheating the Wall Street Journal
So what's next?
Flynn gets off.  What else is next?
Trump-Hate-a-GoGo.
State of the Union.
The babies cry about their Trump-hate.
Formal vote on "impeachment."
More Trump-hate.
Highest rating ever for Trump.
The reeking stink of the Trump-haters.
What else is next?

In other words, you were wrong, it is over and the accusations you supported failed, so lets not dwell on who is responsible for all the criminal activity to lead to this years long failed coup attempt, or how wrong you and your cult member friends were.



EurAsia has always been at war with Orangemania.

If I can't have it my criminal way, you are all bad.


Hillary REACTS to Trump's Acquittal and She is PISSED

https://babylonbee.com/news/trumps-power-doubles-after-absorbing-impeachment-attack

Yes, of course now that your little shifest failed, everyone should share responsibility for the damage you and your party have done pursuing this fraud right? Uh, no. This one is all on you and your chosen party. You can shove that false equivalence right back from where you pulled it.

I just find it entertaining a person who wants to claim there are oh so many great flavors of socialism to choose from that are nothing at all like communism has no problem pretending all Christians are essentially the same. At least socialists and communists share ideology. Mormons and Christians culturally are quite different, but to a anti-religious bigot, they are all the same. Just more of them crazy Jesus people over by there. Join the TRUE path comrade, where state is the only God, and man is subject to it!





No, you are a trans-phobic, homophobic, child abusing, religious radical, puritan for even mentioning such things. You and your conflicting ideas will be purged. Your assets and person will be assimilated into our own. Resistance is futile.

Not sure where this leads. Maybe in the direction that Romney's now with Twitch, so Romney must be defended? Not interested in super-defining "Mormon" and "Christian conservative." I do think this statement of mine, well it certainly reflects my personal view.

A guy that started out running a flock of 200 Mormon "missionaries" in France is not exactly what most people who consider themselves Christian and conservative consider as Christian and conservative.

Unfortunately one day they are going to see a glitch in the holodeck matrix and realize the whole thing was a fantasy novel they were writing as they went along, and they will have their final break with reality as they try to figure out how to cope with the stress resulting from deceiving themselves so completely.

^^^ I admire TwitchySeal. He seems to be the only one seriously interested in the impeachment. He and a few other like him, are the only thing keeping the impeachment alive... at least in their own minds.

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Flynn worked out a plea deal to *only* be charged with a single count of lying to the FBI.

He was acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Turkey, he discussed sanctions with Russia after he was named National Security Advisor but while Obama was still president, and then he lied about to the Vice President and the FBI.  When he found out he was being investigated, he filed some FARA documents that also had lies in them.

If he would've been charged with all the crimes he admitted to (under penalty of perjury) , he would be facing spending the rest of his life in prison.

Defending him is like defending a guy who was speeding and drunk getting pulled over and let off with only a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Quote from: Spendulus on Today at 05:08:31 PM
How much do you understand about FBI standard operating procedure? Google "FBI entrapment" maybe add "drugs".

OR if you still have problems understanding, go to Glocktalk.com, discussion forum for gun owners but mostly LEO, and ask the simple question, "Is entrapment a typical FBI technique." I am not seeing where you have a problem with me. You have a problem trying to thread a needle to get to some desirable conclusions, but that's no concern of mine.
Quote from: Spendulus on Today at 05:08:31 PM
Why would your recitation of opinions be relevant?

I'm gonna delete any posts that say stuff like this from now on to keep the thread from going to shit.  Please stop.


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Great.

What's next?
Trump's been Impeached.
What's next?
Twitch recommends cheating the Wall Street Journal
So what's next?
Flynn gets off.  What else is next?
Trump-Hate-a-GoGo.
State of the Union.
The babies cry about their Trump-hate.
Formal vote on "impeachment."
More Trump-hate.
Highest rating ever for Trump.
The reeking stink of the Trump-haters.
What else is next?

This post gets deleted and reposted in the thread with freedom.

It's Finally Almost Over!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rNwSCKf2U0


Bonus: "IMPEACHMENT IS OVER: Mitch McConnell Says It IS TIME To FULLY Acquit President Trump" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQRbOIacm10.

Actually the Advanced 4d-chess Trumpian "divide and conquer," I had never seen anything like that before.

Oddly at the same time, the Democrats are going crazy. Part of the answer is he drove them to it, but if that is so then the American people, having elected him, can take full credit for driving them crazy.


There's always another shiny penny in the road, isn't there? Another one to eagerly lunge for, and then finding its only a penny, get distracted by yet another shiny thing in the dirt.

My guess Bolton, wasn't a 'cover up', but was just another well laid trap that your team was stumbling right into. Do you really think plans were not in place to handle the possibility that the majority vote approving witnesses might have happened?

^^^ Trump is probably behind his own impeachment. We all know about "divide and conquer." Looks like the Legislative Branch is divided by this so-called impeachment.

The House has every opportunity to present all the witnesses and evidence it wanted. Now that they have zero authority in the situation because The Senate is in control of this portion of the process, they feel they can dictate terms still, in spite of that being the whole intent of splitting the authority between The House and The Senate.

If the Democrats called them, then yes, they are officially the Democrat's witnesses. Gold star for trying. Why is it so important the subpoena is enforced in under a year? Oh right, it is an election year. Not transparent at all. Can't win at the ballot box so you have to try to win using the idiot box.

That is a clear and simple explanation of why the "Obstruction" charge on Trump is totally ridiculous.

Come to think of it, I'm going to be guilty of some obstruction too. I'm going to send money to the opponents of some of those obtuse retrograde subhuman, knuckle dragging perverts of Authoritarian Statists during the November elections.

Let's have us some whole lot of Obstructioning in November.

No one is saying Congress can't enforce its subpoenas in court. The subpoenas HAVE TO be sent through the courts in order to be enforced. The president is exercising executive privilege. Until it goes through the court, The President has every constitutional right to exercise executive privilege. Since he has every right to do this, simply exercising his constitutional authority is in no way able to be construed as obstruction. That is why the subpoenas must be decided in court. To do otherwise would be to strip the executive branch of its power, giving all authority to The Congress, which is a co-equal branch. You cry about congress supposedly being stripped of oversight in the very same breath that you try to strip the executive of its authority. The office of the president was not meant to be a parliamentary system serving at the pleasure of the Congress. The Congress can not issue a subpeona, then unilaterally decide upon the validity of the subpoena they just issued. That is asinine.

Twitch persists in his attempt to shape the universe.


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Quote from: JollyGood on January 27, 2020, 03:28:52 PM
....to me it seems to look like the beginning of the end for the Trump presidency.

The beginning of the end?

It is indeed the beginning of the end, but you may misunderstand what the beginning is of, and what the end is to be.

What if, and just consider this as a wild conjecture... What if those who have repeatedly attacked Trump with weak or totally false premises are incubating the beginning of the end of the normal Trump, and his transformation into the Super Trump?

You ain't seen nothing yet.

absolutely impeachment requires a crime,

maybe trump used his power to reveal biden corruption but he is allowed to do that if he believes its in the interest of the nation

i am looking forward for the revenge against the democrats for the chaos they have caused.

""Impeachment REQUIRES a Crime" - Lawyer Explains Dershowitz's Argument - Viva Frei Vlawg"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ky8DGKsfhY

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 11, 2020, 09:28:06 AM

2/3 = 66.67%

But they won't get the 2/3.

Also, it would be correct to say "every ELECTED president" since Ford wasn't elected.

I need to stop posting when I'm hangover.

I strongly suspect that in your worst hangover, you have more smarts than that bunch of Democratic jerks that thought they'd impeach Trump.

I hearby award Trump one hundred thousand Permits to Ridicule Biden in compensation for the unjust impeachment he has been put through.

us is a democracy after all

well trump was elected to do that. democrats should better follow orders.

they won't likely survive 2020 election though.

This is ignoring the totally unconstitutional lack of due process of course, just that he will finally technically impeached once the articles are submitted to the senate.



Yeah! Serves him right for conducting US foreign policy exactly as he is supposed to be doing!

by who?

cnn and new york times?

cnn has still not paid 275 million for accusing a catholic student of racism its still alive

Then Trump will actually be impeached.

And if the people stand in court as men and women, and are not represented in any way, they have the right to face their accuser. Jury selection doesn't depend on silly rules of court. Rather, it depends on the men and women who choose their own jury... rather than letting the attorneys do it.

People don't think The Constitution be like it is, but it do.

Twitch may not like it but reality is, the central issue on Pelosi and her little game is the 6th amendment.

hahaha, yeah what a joke .... "serious discussion" is ....


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Quote from: TwitchySeal on January 06, 2020, 10:06:58 PM
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- How long does Nancy sit on the articles if Mitch doesn't budge?

Ever heard of the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution?

(don't bother babbling that it does not apply to Trump)

Trump is totally impeached! Nancy Pelosi hasn't completed the prerequisites for impeachment by transmitting the articles to the senate, but he has totally impeached. No time to talk, I am having cake and eating it too!