Topic: Refugees Discussion (Read 2490 times)

Problem is those countries have also poor employment rate, huge poverty, and most of the time a complete lack of democratic system or any kind of freedom...

Totally agree with you!
Europe must find way to protect itself and their people..
Help those poor people to go back home or to Arabic countries where they can talk with similar language, have minimal cultural differences and worship Islam.

Good for portugal..big cross to mark them probably so all citizens know who they are and keep an eye on them.Hope that things in Portugal will stay like this and won't be other Germany

why will you do this? what does the big cross represent?

Yeah too many immigrants! They really destroy the country of course, they're responsible for everything, the unemployment, the weak social welfare, the debt... Everything is caused by them!

Yeah... France was the first European country to successfully implement the action plan of replacing the native population with immigrant Muslims. And now you want to educate them? No amount of education will change their behavior. If you take an African from Africa or an Arab from the Middle East and then transport them to Europe, you will not get a new Switzerland or Luxembourg. You will be getting a miniature version of Arabia and Africa.

We must call things right names!
Those are not immigrants and Refugees this is invasion!
Few million people coming in few years, this is sick!
There goes western way of life!

They can not be converted in something better and is useless even try that. If you come to a country than should accept values,language and the western way of life

This liberal charade of "We will educate them to our advanced Western Ways" sounds very much like "We will Nation Build in the Middle East."

Hello George Bush.

No wait, he's gone, it's Merry Merkel.....

don't waste time to try making something from them, you won't success. They will hate you more and tyr to destroy you..they didn't come to learn new things and accept new modern prosperous life they came only to bring their habits and slave all free people

i live in france and we have too many immigrants here.. they dont even know how to walk in streets.. first, we must educate them to live on earth..

european woman if have children have one max two, but rising a child is expensive in western world and people don't have enough time, money to have more children..on the other side yes muslim have more and more children and will be critical majority in most of western countries

They are making use of the generous welfare payment system. They produce more and more children, so that they could claim bigger and bigger welfare cheques. Also, in the Western democracy, a larger population can mean a larger share of political influence. Meanwhile, most of the Western women are becoming radical feminists and are refusing to have any children at all.

Big problem is this invasion of refugees and Europe will be affected very soon and bleeding. European people have 1 max 2 kids. And every muslim woman has at least 5 of them..Soon simply white race and European people will be minor in front of millions of muslims

Lol. It's the case since ww2.

Those shitty Americans came, raped the women and took the money, claimed the whole economic power, made Europe kneel down and blow them for the Marshall plan then continually fucked Europe since then.

But yeah, Russia is the evil here for sure xD

all north will loose germanic,viking origins during this arab/negro invasion..that is their intention to mix races and europe stops to be white

i agree with you.. they should fight for their freedom rather than running away.. but your germanic identity could be changed with different ways not just because of immigrants..

lot of them pretend to be from syria because will get asylum..traveling without passport and give false name,birthdate..and first registration is in Serbia as i heard...so probably a lot of people lie that are form syria

You realize how stupid and crazy this line of thinking is that you are projecting?

It's like saying, fear the homeowner instead of the burgler.

i dont think killers are between those refugees.. refugees crisis must be solved behind closed doors becuse in front of the mass media this topic is getting worse and worse..

They are cowards..but this is plan of massive migration from Syria and Iraq to Europe..and also from Somalia and North Africa..they will change European population definitely

I am British we never run 1st world war 2nd world war how many refugees where British then ANSWER NONE..When we go to war we stand and fight
we BRITISH HAVE NOWHERE TO RUN NOT UNLESS WE CAN ALL SWIM THE CHANNEL..

So to all you fit young refugees GET BACK AND FIGHT YOU SHIT BAGS..

WE BRITISH STAND AND FIGHT OR WE DIE

BUT ALSO LOOK AT ALL THE PAST WARS WE NEVER RUN FROM INVADERS BECAUSE WE GOT NO WHERE TO RUN WHERE ON AN ISLAND

There are few villages in north part of Germany, once peaceful places with less then 1000 citizens, now have big problems because have to accpet more than 1000 refugees and we all see what is happening with them..but i noticed something interesting: in media looks like most of the refugees who commit attacks,raping are refugees from North Africa, Somalia, Nigeria..and not Syria,Iraq

They don't know the language, most of them are not educated, and each of the women produce anywhere between half a dozen and one dozen children. In this situation, it will be much better to direct these refugees towards countries such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, where they will face no language or cultural issues.

Something like this can't be applied in a such situation. These guys are officially "refugees" so the socialists can't make difference between these "needy". Note also that even if they were tradional migrants, since equality is the only word they know, it's impossible to make distinctions.

Newer Arab refugees are creating big problems for all countries. I think there should be limit to it, maybe like they should know language, they should be educated or they should carry limited kids etc.

in germany up to now in 2015 totally 490 violence cases against Refugee but in 2014 only 250 cases

By less kids, you mean a reduction from 12 children per woman to 6 children per woman? That is still much higher than the average fertility rate of 1.3 children per woman in Germany. Lets take an example here.

In a city, there are 90 European couples and 10 Muslim couples. The 90 European couples will raise 117 kids, while the 10 Muslim couples will raise 60 kids. So in the next generation, the percentage of Muslims would have increased from 10% to 34%.

Now after 25-30 years, these 117 Europeans (58 couples) will raise 76 kids, while the 30 Muslim couples will raise 180 kids. Here, the percentage of Muslims become 70.3%.

This shows that the Muslims can take over the European Union in less than 2 generations.

From what I know, a group of armed people wanted to take Al-Assad out, and he replied by keeping is power. Maybe you could tell that it isn't something "right" but I'll tell you that it is. If they would have took power the same thing that have happened to the Great Persia (now Iran) would have happened to Syria. This would be a dumb Islamic "Republic". Also Al-Assad is the most legitimate chief of this country. He has been fully legally elected.

But I guess all this is kinda off topic, as I think this thread is quite interesting, to get coverage from so many different countries on the migrant crisis. Because no matter how individual your opinion maybe, you cant totally escape your local news propaganda or the national atmosphere.

So what have we learned from the comments so far?


I am sure thats possible, as most immigrants threw their passports away to claim they are coming from syria, because fleeing from a warzone gives them better chances to get asylum. All institutions are totally overwhelmed with the registration of the refugees, so it should be really easy for terrorists to sneak into the country among the masses.
But I really doubt that they are able to cause any threat in Europe. I would much more fear false flag attacks by the government blaming the muslims to tighten security measures, mass surveillance or to take other political actions.


Sure you can say, every muslim that gets asylum brings like 5 family members from his home country, and as women in a patriarchal muslim society dont work like in the west, but rather get 5 kids, our population will be outnumbered in a few generations, the islam party will get in charge and welcome to the Sharia.
But I think thats utopian, muslim immigrants are much more assimilated in the 2nd generation living in a foreign country and hence get less kids.

If they were organizing for his ouster that might be a solid reason in his view.  who knows why people do what they do.

On the flip side of the question, they'd tolerated him for the same amount of time, then why the sudden actions on their part.

something lit the fuse.  what it was is probably way more twisted than either side, or the other players (US, Iran, Russia etc) would want us to believe.  it almost always is.

If Assad had tolerated them for like 15 years without any issues, then what makes you think that he is suddenly going to bomb them without any solid reason?


Talking about the migrants? 80% of them are not Syrian, and the buck stops there. Send them back to where they came from (Pakistan, Egypt.etc). And regarding the Syrians, you can ask the Arab nations such as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and Kuwait to take them. After all, they are also Arab speaking and Muslim people.

maybe.  maybe not. and that is IF the Americans and their allies did as you say.

all we mostly get are versions in the press.  I've seen plenty of versions of how this shit storm started.  most of them have Assad attacking and killing unarmed civilians that wanted him out.  Maybe that's completely true, maybe it isn't.  I'm not naive enough to think that governments of all stripes do not manipulate the press or tinker with the versions to suit themselves and their agendas, so who knows WTF really did happen.

we could kick that ball around forever I imagine, but it derails the thread topic to some extent, which is what to do with these millions now.  that in itself is a complex issue with no clear answer and seemingly no good solution from any angle that I can see.

Look even Google wants to make some money with the refugees!!!  

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Had the Americans and their allies (especially the Turks, Saudis, Qataris, and the Israelis) refrained from arming the Islamists, this would have been avoided. The Islamists ambushed Syrian policemen and government officials, and massacred them without any provocation. Naturally, this invited a harsh response from Bashar al Assad.

I find myself agreeing with you on this.  As I've said, I do not think the US should be playing de facto world cop. 

we'll never know but the fates of afghanistan iraq and libya give us a good idea

the irony is that the Americans sat Syria out for the most part and are still to blame in the eyes of some.

maybe if they HAD stepped in when Assad started mowing down civilians with his military the situation would be different.  We'll never know at this point what would have been had this or that been done.

it's damned if you do, damned if you don't.  I've said it before on these boards.  I'd rather the US sit this kind of shit out, as trying to be the world's cop is a thankless, expensive job.  No matter the result people are pissed for one reason or another.

I'm sure some people will tell us of proxy wars or some CIA plot in Syria, but the origins of the Syrian uprising and the government response of firing on it's own citizens cannot be laid at the feet of the Americans.

To be sure, the US has stuck its nose into too many places in this fucked up region of the world where it seems like lunatics are at the helm all over the place, but Syria broke itself without any help from anyone, including the US.

No they where going crazy there is a funny video about it:
She says: Thick Bmw guys(The guy in the Bmw is the guy who just told them they where getting 800 refugees more)
Then a undercover cop pulls her away, and she dislocates something in her arm or shoulder!
https://www.youtube.com/embed/xQWnhQ0Ksyo

And also yesterday in a little town Steenbergen with 23.571 people living there.
They are trying to bring 800 refugees there this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH73DMzzVow

So that is happening in The Netherlands for now, and I don't know why they try to put them in the little village's here.
I think because they still have a lot of room to build there, compared to the big city's, and they can easily put away a lot of people

It's very difficult to find out if they are refugees or illegal economic migrants because they come without any IDs and they give false credentials to the authorities.

This is a great thread topic, thanks for starting it. I think the OP was clear (in the title) that we're talking about Refugees, not illegal immigrants.

It's unsettling to hear that local people are turning to violence and/or discrimination to handle the refugees that are entering their country or town. The Country's Government  needs to take full responsibility with making sure the refugees aren't imposing too much on the locals. Sending 1,400 refugees to a town of 700 sounds  completely irresponsible. That town likely doesn't have enough resources to support an instant tripling of their population.

If the Government  doesn't  step in to keep order we'll continue to hear these stories. Hopefully it gets better soon. Hopefully the refugees can go home to where they likely would prefer to be (without the violence of  course.)

Are we discussing refugees or illegal economic migrants? Big difference.
Often the line gets blurred. Can OP clarify please.

There are more than 2 million refugees in my country. Can you even make empathy, do you realize how I feel? This war should be stopped.

Here is the irony. The Americans started all this trouble, and yet it is the Europeans who are suffering from the migrant influx. The United States is not taking any refugee from Syria. And it is almost impossible for these refugees to travel all the way up to Mexico, and then cross over to the US illegally, due to the Mexican drug war.

I don't think there has been much direct impact of these refugees as yet here in the US.

What I do think is that these countries that are taking in thousands upon thousands of these people will live to regret it.

I don't have an answer for where they should go, nor do I really know how many of these are refugees of war or economic opportunists looking for a better life, but I think the ground zero countries for this influx would be far better served by putting them in temporary camps of some kind and setting a time limit for their stay.

If necessary, move them every year or so.  Once they put roots down and start multiplying you are screwed, literally.  They will fuck and propagate themselves into positions of political influence and eventually authority.  At that point you might as well save the pretending and pull your flag down and put theirs up.

That's not true... As I said, the italian criminal associations are very happy to keep the refugees cause they get paid. More refugees, more money for them.

Immigrants from Siria go through Tunisia, Greece and then they keep going North into Macedonia and Serbia till they arrive in Hungary (where they built a wall). From there they go to Austria and Germany.

Italy was also a part of the NATO coalition, which removed Muammar Gaddhafi from power and installed a hardline Islamist government in Libya. Italian fighter jets (Panavia Tornado and F-16 Fighting Falcon), as well as its naval vessels (aircraft carrier Giuseppe Garibaldi, as well as some of the Maestrale-class frigates) took active part in the invasion of Libya.

Yes. There is an immigrant inflow from Syria as well. But the difference is that the Greeks are not helping the migrants to cross over to the EU.

That's not completely true.

The Ministers from some European countries that now dictate conditions on immigration, are forgetting about the tragic mistakes made ​​by their countries.
English and French with Obama wanted the removal of Gheddafi accused of hostile acts against the Libyans. The invasion of illegal immigrants, that strikes on Italy, and therefore on all of Europe, is the result of that wrong war.

And don't forget that they are not coming only from Lybia. What about Siria?

You Italians are the root cause of the problem. Mafia gangs such as the 'Ndrangheta and Sacra Corona Unita earn billions of Euros every year, by transporting illegal immigrants from Libya to the European Union. And then the corrupt Italian politicians will arrange these migrants to be transported to Germany or France.

In Italy we had this problem for many years but no one in Europe cared because they weren't hit directly.

Here refugees became a business, that "make the criminals earn more than selling drugs".

Cooperatives are paid from the State (so by italian citizens) 35€/day for each refugee and in return they provide shelter and food. You can do the math...

i will put a big cross on refugees houses lol no into portugal just 400 in november no worries

This is very odd. The Netherlands is having a total population of around 16 million, and at the most, they are going to take in 70 or 80 thousand migrants this year. That represents less than 1% of the total population. So why this village is being asked to take in migrants at a rate of 200% of its population? Also, migrants prefer urban areas.

we have a major problem in the uk with high muslim crime rate expecially rapes against non muslim girls and also the number of welfare claimants creating a burden for the taxpayer. they refuse to assimilate, a lot of them wear their stupid robs and beards and many of their women refuse to learn the language and work.

they breed like rats and are almost the majority population in our second biggest city.

anti migrant sentiment is strong in every european country except among germans who are brainwashed from a very young age to hate themselves and feel guilty for the jewish holohoax.

this is 100% correct. the media always shows some blonde haired girl with a kid to make us accept the invasion but those aren't the ones anyone has a problem with. the light skinned secular syrians are fine but the barbaric nigger ones with robes and beards are not welcome.

I'm from France. Since the beginning, I say the same things and this is that the refugees should grab weapons and fight, but of course it's easier to go developed countries and have free food and free electricity ! IS killers can be hide inside them, but this we will know in a few years when there will have mass murder with bombs in big cities.

I think this is an invasion because of this :

You're from the Nederlands, so there is big probability that you are light haired and light eyed. The same thing apllies to my city and I : where I live (in the East of France), more than 2/3 of people have green or blue eyes. If these people come, we'll slowly lose our Germanic identity and roots to have black eyes and hairs. We'll also become Muslims.

Note that some people in Syria have light eyes (like Bachar Al-Assad). These guys can come if they want, because they're not fully and maybe not at all Arabs. If I have no problems with Arabs (I mean those form Middle-East). But those from Algeria are not Arabs but a blend of niggers and Arabs. These ones I don't like them. Arabs just have to stay where they are and everything will be fine .

So I am from The Netherlands and on this forum I know we have people from all over the world.
But still we must all think a little bit the same, because otherwise we wouldn't be on this forum together!

And here this is the only thing you see now in the papers, facebook and on the news.
People are going crazy here in Holland, I don't know if you know but we have political faction here the Pvv!
There leader is Geert Wilders, he is let me say Anti muslim and he is pretty popular.
But since the refugee "invasion" He is getting a lot more support, according to a weekly poll they do here for dutch politics.

And there have been a lot of incidents in The Netherlands like:

Some little village here "Oranje" with 700 people in it complained it was getting 1400 refugees.
They succeeded and settled with 700, only later they still had to go with 1400.
They where raging very hard, later some dutch people even attacked refugees.

So it is getting out of hand here and I think if the refugees continue to misbehave, they will get more people that want them gone.

But I think the media is very Anti Muslim and they try to put them in a bad light.

I want know how is it in your country??
Please state the country you live in, and some problems that are happening right now overthere, and of course your opinion about all this.
Also do you think Is killers are between those refugees?