Topic: Regarding my Negative Trust. (Read 331 times)

This is incorrect for a start. The majority of the drama happened in a channel named #personaldisputes, which is a channel you flat out refused to join several times - even when kicking up an enormous amount of dust when people asked legitimate questions about NastyFans.
However, this isn't the place for he-said-she-said, so I will digress from that.

Please quote me saying either of those things; I don't recall doing so.
Implication doesn't count, as it is subjective.

I began to dislike you after the debacle I referred to in the first paragraph, and significantly more after you abused Lutpin for something you have yet to this day prove.

I don't believe this is the case, and in fact I remember it going that Zeroxal started getting big for his britches and started trying to demonstrate superiority over others. This annoyed people, hence them looking into him.
However, none of this is provable as the chat logs are long gone and the majority of the forum likely did not ever know that this existed.

I'll admit to being a part of this, and it is something that I do regret. However:
This has absolutely nothing to do with me. I have respect for people's personal lives off the forum, and know that the two things are completely separate.

'all', not including me. As I, Lauda and shorena have all either stated or concluded, I was not involved.

Incorrect.

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Anyone wishing to verify this claim can either go to this page or this post to see my reasoning. There is little point in rehashing the same thing over and over again.

How much is a NastyFans seat?

Apple's stock is on the up. Apple doesn't have to measure statistics in another currency to make that happen.

If you buy a NastyFans seat, you will never get the BTC value of that seat back unless you sell it again very quickly.

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It's clear that we're not getting anywhere, and we're very unlikely to get anywhere at any point. I also don't care to discuss NastyFans for days on end in this thread.
I have a number of regrets in terms of this forum, most of which stem from trying to discern the good from the bad and inform the community while doing so. I no longer have much of an interest in this, nor in this forum as a whole.

Apologies, and thanks for the years.

I remember it very well.  I witnessed the entire thing, which was you and your crew of extortionists acting like drunk 5 year olds who just learned profanity.  You referred to me as a scammer and NastyFans as a Ponzi many times, spreading lies that are still being spread by you today.  Keeping it 100% real, we both know that what started this was me in that slack chat saying that I put up a lot of NastyFans seats for sale and if someone bought them, I would use the funds to buy a solar array.  Then Zeroxal came forward and claimed he purchased the seats, which set me going solar in motion.  This set off a wave of jealousy that I have never witnessed in my life and still deal with from certain individuals today.  You as well as the others in the extortion allegation badgered Zeroxal with wacky claims for hours and eventually one of you resorted to calling his mother on the phone to harass his family.  The best you all could come up with was that Zeroxal had to have gotten his money illegally and is evading taxes, in a pathetic attempt to somehow tie me into receiving ill gotten funds for my solar project.  When Zeroxal showed that he had a lot of funds and tried to explain how he got them, it then turned into an extortion scheme of how you could all get your hands on his BTC.  You can say what you want now, but your statements are nothing more than lies, and since you've confirmed I was there and witnessed it, I'm fine to go public with the truth of what occurred as it seems you and others have buried many of the details and harassed Zeroxal to the point he doesn't want to participate here anymore.



NastyFans is not unprofitable.  NastyFans has no costs, so what you're saying is actually impossible.  These are the kinds of lies you spread which I am absolutely sick of.  I've explained to you personally a hundred times now that the organization is run on donations and yet you still spread the same lies, now evolving to wasting my time justifying why I don't trust you.  I used to assume that you were uneducated and had no investment experience, so I'd take the time to explain to you what you don't understand but I've been down that road and seen how you simply ignore facts to continue spreading lies about me and things I'm involved in.  I'm sick of doing so at this point, as you're obviously trolling with comments like this.  I don't believe you are stupid enough to think that Apple as a company is unprofitable because the dividend is less than 100% annually.  Nobody is that stupid.  Please explain this unprofitable comment, as this is a perfect example of why I don't trust you, your judgement, or your opinion. 

It's a shame that you think that way, considering the evidence against my involvement (and pitiful 'evidence' indicating it). However, I can't say I didn't see it coming.

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No. Let me give you a brief rundown of the entire shambles around Zeroxal, including my involvement - although it feels as though it will fall on deaf ears.

• Users began to be suspicious of Zeroxal, and started asking him questions in a Slack chat. I believe you were a member of this Slack at the time, so you may remember this vaguely.
• It came out that Zeroxal was ban evading. This is the part I was interested in, as frankly I could not care less about whatever 'tax evasion' he was pulling, however cared significantly about the forum. This is a mistake that I won't make again.
• After talking about it with Zeroxal in the Slack chat (hence the origin of this screenshot) I made the original thread and went to sleep shortly after.
• When I woke up, I was talking to Lauda and they told me that they had sent - notice the inflection - Zeroxal an extortion message. After this all of the threads were made, which is irrelevant to me.
• Later that day (IIRC), TMAN requested that I remove my posts on my thread to try and make less drama while he and Zeroxal talked. This message was also seen by (or relayed to) Lutpin, hence why his post is also removed. I made it completely clear that my intention was to repost the thread soon.
• A few days later, I reposted my thread. It reached the conclusion I was looking for (a yes or no answer by a member of staff) and so I closed it.

At no point was I notified of the extortion plan, other than when that plan had been set into motion. I have never had any part in any extortion plot, and I am very unhappy to receive punishment for Quickseller's personal dislike towards me.

Most likely not, and I don't think that I have made the implication that it is. My main gripe with NastyFans is that it is unprofitable, and that you hand pick and skew certain statistics in an attempt to hide this.

Since I have nothing to go off but your own word, I will have to say no. However, I don't think it is very unfair to say that you are extremely involved in the running of it.

I have no proof for or against this, and so I will act the same way I do in near to every other scenario and say no.

From my understanding, no.

My point has always been that the hologram of the coins have the NastyFans logo on it and is used on NastyFans coins, and so it is easy to assume that it is a NastyFans hologram. I think I made this clear in this joke.
Whether you want to classify it as such is up to you, if you really want to insist that it is not a NastyFans hologram then you can do. I'll refrain from making the joke that I haven't made in months.

This very much depends on what you class as affiliation.
You seem to publicly trust his character, support his message and take 'evidence' he puts out as fact. He seems to reciprocate this. Whether you consider this affiliation is a personal matter.

You're asking questions that I could not possibly know the answer to; I am not you.
Case in point, if push came to shove, I would trust both you and Quickseller to hold my BTC (for example, in an escrow arrangement) - even while not particularly trusting your characters.

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Appreciated, thanks for commenting.

Well, I'd like to say one shouldn't leave negative trust for personal dislike, but that would make me a Quickseller-type hypocrite, since I used to do it myself.  :/

If I was on DT1 I'd add you to my trust list.  

You seem to want me to spend my time proving that I don't trust you, yet want to keep it focused to this one issue.  Really, I don't need any further justification than this so I will update that for you.  Although at some point when I have time I may outline the dozens if not hundreds of reasons why I don't trust you.  Perhaps you could make my job easier and answer the following questions?

Did you have advance notice that Lauda was going to send zeroxal an extortion demand?

Is NastyFans a Ponzi scheme?

Do I run NastyFans?

Am I nonnakip?

Did I self escrow a bet?

Is every coin I make considered a NastyFans coin?

Am I affiliated with Quickseller?

Do you think I would trust you with any BTC as a result of your behavior towards me?

I listed exactly what I saw happening prior to you giving me a negative trust, and commented on the trust rating its self. Whatever implication you seem to think I am trying to slide in is in your own head.

I would appreciate if you could update your rating to show all examples, so that I can give my perspective on each. Feel free to do it on this account.
Thanks.

minifrij, your untrustworthy behavior goes far beyond that one example I gave. If you’d like me to dig up more examples, I can. I will however not take the time to do this right now, as I have more important things to spend my time on currently. Namely, engraving all the addresses for the latest NattyMind coins so they can get in the hands of forum members. My trust issues with a certain band of abusers has taken up astronomical amounts of my time over the last year. It isn’t going to continue this way. I’d rather you agreed that I don’t trust you for lots of reasons that you are well aware of, so I can save the time and you can save yourself a ridiculously long trust rating that will only make you look worse. I was trying to spare us both, but if you are going to make this an issue of you wrongly being mistrusted by me, I will oblige.  Again, I’d rather you took responsibility for the fact I don’t trust you as a result of your behavior over a period of years, but I wouldn’t expect anything less than you using this thread to try and make me seem like the big bad bully who is picking on you, which is absolutely false.

Please try to keep posts on topic.

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Aside from being irrelevant to the reason for the negative rating, I was unrelated to that and there is no proof showing otherwise.

Do you think that 'Lies about me' is an adequate reason to leave a negative rating, Quickseller?

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Could I ask for your opinion on the matter in the OP?

That would make sense.  You tried to extort several DT members and you have -241 trust.

I think there is also the issue of your part in a conspiracy to (attempt to) extort another user.

Do you see? you cant live with that neg trust this is how i felt when DT2 abuse their power to destroy my account.
Notable members i hope you not talking about account dealers from this thread :
   https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/conflict-of-interest-on-dt1-3197685

As the subject may suggest, this thread is regarding the negative trust left on my account(s) by OgNasty. This thread isn't necessarily about having the trust removed, more an attempt to gain community consensus as to whether this rating is adequate.

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To begin, I'm going to give a brief breakdown of my interpretation of the events which led up to this:

• Owlcatz draws attention to how he believes Og has been referring victims of scams to him,
• OgNasty doubles down on his claim that Owlcatz is the scammer,
• EcuaMobi requests proof of the above claim,
• I, using an publicly admitted alt account, give my assumption on the events leading Og to believe what he does. It should perhaps be noted that EcuaMobi made the same assumption,
• I, using the same account, misread a post made by OgNasty, and point towards it in an attempt to validate my assumption. I was wrong about this, and will admit as such,
• Both my main account, and the aforementioned alt, were tagged by OgNasty for lies. It should perhaps also be noted that EcuaMobi countered the ratings on both accounts, and has been excluded by Og by doing the same thing previously.

Since the majority of people have been publicly silent on this matter, I'd be interested in hearing what notable members of the forum think of it.
I would also like to publicly encourage people to use their main aliases to comment on this; unknown alt accounts make both sides look unnecessarily bad.

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Closing, I would like to specify that I have no interest in creating any toxicity on this matter. I will attempt to refrain from personal attacks, and I would request that everyone else do so too. I won't be making this thread Self Moderated - so that cries of censorship won't come into play - so I am relying on you all to keep the thread clean and on topic. Please don't disappoint.
The thread will be concluded once I feel a satisfactory conclusion has been met.