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Scammer? Did I scammed your mother?
I tired of talking to retards like you who sits behind a pc and tries to judge someone by looking at their profile. I bet you didn't even went out of your city and you are trying to teach me about cops of my own country?  Who the fuck are you by the way to tell me if I'm guilty untill proven innocent or innocent untill proven guilty.

If I'm a scammer anf I play by your rules, your mom is a whore. Now prove her innocence.? It hurts right. It hurts me more when I see people like you enjoy my suffering. People like you don't give a fuck to my issues or my problem and i'm not asking you involve in it but people like you want to abuse and enjoy and I wont tolerate it at all now.

Fuck you.

I'm not fully recovered from my ordeal and I still tend to loose my cool. I was talking to you respectfully but you don't deserve it now.
Ps: Why didn't you posted your another trust rating along with my pm? First you are accusing me of being a criminal while my trial is still on and I'm not a guilty and now you are accusing me of giving bribe? Asshole I did not gave them bribe, they took my money and forced me to stay quite. There is a big difference in it, so please fuck off and let me live peacefully.

I didn't as I don't want to get involved with them. There's no point in asking help from them as they won't be helping me to get their son arrested.
He don't have any funds now and none of them is active. He did trades with urdubit exchange and I asked their admin but he told me he don't know anyone with that name.



Yankee

lol being from the same country where he lives,even the cops would laugh and agree if you ask them if they're corrupt.The corruption in India is so public that you need to bribe the government officials to get basic shit done like getting your government license.If you are caught speeding,drunk driving by the cops.You don't pay fine,you pay 1/4 of the fine amount to cops and you are good to go.

escrow.ms you are really a dumb person, why you keep singing this thread and you are a innocent guy..if cops on your country see this about whom you are saying that they are corrupt than you will land in some more trouble.

Anyways you are still a scammer until proved innocent.

This is the most recent message via PM from escrow.ms


To which my reply is:


In any case, I've been prepared to wait until after the trial - I might have to cast an eye over what's already been said and see what I can make of all this...

http://archive.is/PgLqW#selection-17145.0-17171.39

Wow ! I have done a lot of trade with you BTC -> Bank A/C and then you suddenly vanished. I thought either you stopped trading or god knows what happened.

Now I understood. Anyways, in future, just avoid such people. You can easily make out that they are fraudsters (hint: some common traits). I'll WhatsApp you now

Seriously one of the saddest stories and the biggest problem is that Indian govt. is not educated enough to understand bitcoins and when sucha  case comes they without a question believes everyone involved is a scammer. Such is the govt. of India that still after years of thinking they can't decide if to legalize BTC in India or declare it illegal, it's neither of it in current laws.

Off topic : Sometimes I feel like God and all just reside in stories because people are tortured even though they are non guilty and the real criminals actually get police protection.

All sympathy with you escrow.ms I am happy you were strong enough to suffer all that and yet come out strong !

I would like to answer your question in simple words. According to laws of my country I am free to do anything.

Well, Do you want that I make all these questions in a topic that you have started? Do you think everybody will come to this topic to answer that?

I am asking you because I am on a topic that YOU have started. And I think is a pretty simple and legit question.

But I will reformulate if you think it would be better. It is legal, accord to the laws of your country, operate in the financial cryptocurrency market even after being accused of committing a crime?

I am not accusing you, I am only being legitime curious about that.

Well if they can tag me without knowing what it is and what it's not. I am sure it doesn't matter to them and hawala is something which is completely illegal while angadiya is not. There are over 50000 angadiya in India and they are operating their business legally.

Why don't you ask the same question from politicians, ministers,businessman's who went to jail and came back, why don't you ask the same question from justice department of 280 different countries,where laws are different from each other.
And I would like you to answer why I can't,Which law of my country states that you can't do business if you are accused in any crime.?
I would like you to answer what is the difference between accused and guilty?

How can you still legally trade bitcoins after been accused of committing a financial crime?

You might want to edit your post because some things might not be clear to non-Indians, e.g. that 1 lakh stands for 100 000, or that angadiya is Indian hawala, etc.

You might also want to start a topic in Scam Accusations/Investigations about the people involved in carding/fraud, if it's something you can share prior to the conclusion of your trial.

Enlighten me.

You mean like how servants in India carry a book around from one employer to the next which has written in it all the good and not so good work that they have done over the years?


He did: http://archive.is/B5Ghj#selection-8243.0-8228.3 (This is why I archive things...)

Did you try to contact Sumeir's family and explained them the truth? Maybe they can help in reaching out to Sumeir?

Did you analyze his bitcoin addresses? Was someone else also sending bitcoin to those addresses during the time you traded with him? Are those or any linked addresses still active? Do they still have funds in them?

No i sent that link via PM to those who have given negative feedback, before making this thread. I have removed it because you asked me to upload it on imgur/zerobin and those were PDF files which included his bank statement as well and text chat log of my whatsapp chat. I have to take screenshots of my conversation with sumair on whatsapp otherwise you won't be able to link text with images I've sent or received.

Didn't you say that you've uploaded some stuff to Google Drive? I thought that was already somewhere in the thread (I'm having trouble finding it).

Sorry but I can't add it in public right now as I will using them in my trial.
I will send them via PM.

You don't have to send it to me, just upload it in OP:

That has nothing to do with what I said. I was aware of the user escrow.ms at the time, and have possibly even commented on the main thread regarding your situation (not sure). I had no idea who Shreem was nor whether he had a BTCT account.

That's not how this messy trust system works though.

Thank you so much.

I was following your case the moment it hit the news and if the things you have said is true i am really sad to hear the plight you are in,yes the chances of you being fucked up for not looking at the source of the money is really high and it hit you really hard and this is a clear warning for every trader who does business,never do deals without having a proper check about the source of money,hope you could provide the evidence and prove your innocence in court .
Good luck buddy.

I am really very sorry about what has happened with you Pankaj. I wish you can recover soon from this mental torture soon.
I am really curious to know how are you planning to defend yourself in court?
Court needs proofs & facts. Do you have some proofs against Sumeir that he was actually the mastermind behind all this & you were just used as a puppet?

Do you have bitcoin addresses of Sumeir to which you ever sent any BTC? Did you try to trace what's happening with all the bitcoin that you sold him?

Do you have Bank details of Sumeir from which you were receiving bank transfers before you started accepting cash from him?
 
Did you try to contact this IDBI Bank branch in Surat whose customers are the real victims to understand what has actually happened?
Was their any breach in bank's security or how was this guy who was arrested in Mumbai was able to withdraw funds from debit cards of these customers (without customer's consent)?

Did IDBI Bank give any official statement about this theft?

Were any of these customers ever filed complaint against the guy who was caught redhanded in Mumbai or against IDBI Bank?

This INR 14.5 Lakhs cash that you handed over to Police: Do you have any receipts or anything to prove that you were unaware of the origin of these funds and this money was taken by Police from you and never given back to you or the IDBI Bank customers (to which it actually belongs)?

As you have already spent 13 months in jail, so are you planning to sue the Police officials who extorted this money from you?

Your Linkedin profile does not exist. As u have stated, your real name is Pankaj Bhardwaj, r u anyway related to GBminers/GainBitcoin owner Amit Bhardwaj?

Does Sumier Shaikh exist on BitcoinTalk? If yes, can u please provide us his ID? Do u have his photo or FaceBook profile or phone no.? Can u please provide us any of those?

This is a learning for everyone over here. U were supposed contact a lawyer immediately after this. In an financial transaction chain, if one point is involved in illegal thing then the whole chain become suspect and law-enforcement tend to go for the whole chain.

That's terrible.

So, law-enforcement literally extorted money from u?

I totally sympathize with u, but u probably misunderstood your mistake. Selling bitcoin for cash was most likely the spark for law-enforcement.

I'm sorry but you know nothing about bitcoin community or it's members.

Verified by whom? News papers? Did you tried investigating yourself? Did you checked my localbitcoins profile or checked my trades here or talked to someone who really knew me.
If you would have done that you would have realized that I was just a bitcoin trader who was doing his business honestly. That crime has nothing to do with me. They used me as a scapegoat because I was soft target for them.

Sometimes I really wish there was a public ledger of a person's activity so I could prove I am not a criminal. I've always remained open about my real life identity and almost everyone who is trading in India knows me very well. You can ask them about me.

Because it had been independently verified that you had been arrested and charged with a crime.

And again apologies for my ignorance about Indian culture, what is


Is that 30,000 rupees?

30,000,000 rupees?

30,000,000,000 rupees?

Under what UID name does this charlie Shrem use here on BCT?

I ask because Escrow.ms hasn't red flagged any UID with the name "charlie" or "Shrem":  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=76380 so I'm wondering why Escrow.ms would be bellyaching ^TM about Red Paint ^TM splashed about (or not as the case may be) for another UID.

So why do you care about your negative rating?

As has been said, Charlie Shrem had his day in court, yours is yet to come. Why do you have a problem with waiting for the outcome if you're not using this account to trade?

I don't usually touch links like that, thus a different upload location could be preferred. If the content is text, then I recommend zerobin, otherwise imgur for images (unless it needs to be private).

That has nothing to do with it. Take me as an example:
1) I didn't know who he was at the time.
2) I was not a DT member nor leaving negative ratings at the time.
3) I don't even know which BTCT account is his(?).
4) His situation and yours, although both relating to money laundering, are quite different.

I forgot to archive the list of people that neg. rated you, so here it is. I want to keep track as to who removed/changed theirs. Thanks for not PM-ing me anymore.

I doubt that there is a way for us to know with 100% certainty that the story (as told by OP) is true.

Charlie Shrem has served his sentence. Your court case is on-going. Massive difference there.

My concern is that, even if your explanation of events is true and that you were not aware you were receiving stolen money and effectively laundering it for bitcoin, you've still got a court case to get through and you're now on the radar of law enforcement as somebody who they can shakedown at the drop of a hat.

Essentially the reality is that you could be in the middle of a legitimate trade in the future and get locked up before you can complete.

Whatever your intentions may be there is a real risk of a trade going bad and people who deal with you do need to understand this.


I'd rather wait for the outcome of the court case to be known. No matter how innocent you claim to be, you are facing charges which make you somebody who is very high risk to trade with at this time.

I have been thinking about the situation for a while and I'm surprised you haven't mentioned anything about the lawyer ? Did you have your lawyer ? If yes,why didn't they bail you out or did whatever it takes to not let you rot in the cell for 13 months assuming you were never guilty ? Don't tell me you used a Government lawyer.

This doesn't surprise me, journalists defend their jobs, even if it means publishing something false they will publish it




the real culprit still free?

If you did not steal anyone here in the forum and you do not seem to have stolen anyone in real life then i think it would be fair for people to remove negative feedack

The guy literally said they were released, so why, being such a blind, are you asking a stupid question here?
Pankaj, my sincere kind-hearted love to you brother as the place where you live, I know very well how tough it is to deal with situations there and when you get stuck, they just drag your family members too into this without any involvement of them. One of my colleagues went there and was arrested due to some misconceptions and got a bail after giving $2500 cash to the officer who arrested them. Such a shame that people like these are holding these high statuses and none can do anything against them. I feel pity for you but proud to see the way you dealt with the situations bravely.

your in jail now?

I am not interested in the personal story, but will watch and see how others handle this and would likely follow the *will of the majority*. Good luck.
Note: I am only posting here since you've sent me a PM.

I don't think this matters around here, unfortunately.

I am sorry you are going through all of this. This place has really turned into an unhealthy place to spend a lot of your time. I get that you value your reputation, but I would honestly be surprised it will ever recover, even if you are found not guilty in court. I have been making an effort to spend less time around here, as I think a lot has changed for the worse over the years.

Even with a bad reputation here, I would suspect that you can continue to trade on LBC and elsewhere if that is what you wanted to do.

Good luck with your court case, I hope in the end, you get what you believe to be a fair outcome. It is unfortunate that the court system in many countries is effectively corrupt.

I hope that your psychological problems can be helped and resolved.

Wow, that is one hell of an ordeal.   I wish you the best and hope you receive some treatment for the psychological distress you endured during your jail stay.    Obviously only you and the people involved know the entire truth, but if your story is indeed true, I have a great deal of sympathy and hope the trial ends in your favor.

Hey Pankaj,the accusations apart but I can feel all the pain you'd have to go through in that phase.Being someone who is extremely familiar with the laws and how Bombay Police works,I can be sure you're telling the truth.The transfer between the jails in different cities to make the process harder and bribe as much cash as possible isn't something new.
I tell you a funny story,couple of days back,son of Haryana's MLA got arrested for attempt to rape the daughter of an IAS officer midnight.Funny part is,he was released with no charges in the morning.
Imagine,you got to jail for weeks when involved in a money laundering issues meanwhile son of politicians are free over-night of attempting to rape charges,That's how the law works around there.Whatever the cause maybe,do you still have cases on you ? Are you free of all the charges ? Btw the story that we all know was you were arrested as involved with Daud Abrahim's gang for robbing ATM's for cash and converting the same cash into bitcoins which were sent to Dubai and converted to fiat again.

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