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You just wasted your time typing your post by saying that you are a liar, I won't read your article since I will deduce that everything that you are going to say is a lie. No matter how credible your evidences that you have provided, no one will believe you as I said earlier, you are a liar. Good job projecting your image as a liar, it does work.
oh look we have another member of the 'freeman cult'.
... let me prepare a glass of whiskey and ill be back to correct this guys mis-beliefs
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5minutes later
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voiding your US citizenship makes you an illegal alien.
you cannot just declare yourself as sovereign whilst within the borders or the US
you cannot just declare your home/land as an independent nation
you need the US to recognise and accept it. (permission)
you have options:
-become recognised as a nation(permission)and have a treaty/diplomatic agreement that you/your land sit outside US state/fed jurisdiction. then seek a treaty to allow you some freedoms(diplomatic immunity)
-become a citizen of another nation that already has a treaty/diplomatic relations to stay 'free' within the US
(get a native american tribal leader to declare you a citizen of their tribe)
if your not recognised as a citizen of a nation. you are an illegal alien. and the us will handle you as such
if you are recognised as a citizen of another nation without having treaty/diplomatic relations. you are an illegal immigrant.. and as such the US has laws about that too.
you need to be 'owned' by someone(tribe/nation/slave owner)
and that 'someone' has to have good relations and an agreement(treaty) with the US to allow you to remain in the us and 'free' to move about
(its why immigrants need 'sponsors' slaves need slave owners and native americans need tribal leaders recognised by us government)
yep even native americans cannot just magic up a new tribe the fed/state doesnt recognise
if you think slaves, native americans and immigrants were 'sovereign' and 'free' by default..think again.
wars and treaties set the jurisdiction boundaries.. not self declarations
and now the boundaries are set. you cannot just make a new boundary by self declaration
you have to have a nation which USA recognises and also allows special privileges to..
take 300-200 years ago. colonists didnt recognise any land was owned by anyone. so they just walked on through
..native americans fought back. eventually a treaty was formed with tribes to set land borders of what tribes declared as their sovereign reserves which colonists could not pass without permission and colonists could not set rule over. not realising they were setting a boundary/prison for themselves
native americans had their own nations they were sovereign of(by way of treaty) but soon found out they were not allowed to leave their nations(tribal land) to freely walk around the US. they imprisoned themselves within their own reservations by way of the treaties which they thought would keep the colonists out
african slaves were not free to walk outside their slave owners land without permission from their slave master who was a colonial citizen and had a slave licence that allowed certain privileges.
take 100 years ago
the US gave US citizenship to everyone born/naturalised within the land of the US and allowed special privileges to those of the known tribal nations, this allowed tribes access to travel within the US while still allowing them to set their own rules within their own land.
this did not mean they could set rules for US land(off reservation). nor just declare new land as theirs.. nor ignore US rules when outside of the tribal land.
these allowed privileges were done by treaties (agreements between the nations)
and over the decades. reservations sovereignty has been reduced as the US law both state and fed slowly limited what tribes on reservation land could get away with.
(state congress say murder/rape/burglary are under state jurisdiction.not tribal decision of punishment)
(state congress regulate who can own casino of reservation land. (only allowing indians))
you cant just set yourself up as a illegal alien and not expect any backlash or repercussion
unless you have a recognised nation and have an agreement of privileges(treaty).. expect backlash
without state/fed recognition and permission.. you will be treated as an illegal alien/tresspasser on us land
yep. trying to say your home is your territory outside fed jurisdiction.. doesnt make it so..it doesnt absolve you of us law/legal system. you have to have a treaty with the state/fed where there is a declaration from the state/fed that they will happily treat your territory as outside of their state/fed jurisdiction.
if your house is on US land and not a state/fed recognised nation.. you are still affected by us rule.
you cant just pretend you are a nation declared by you. you cant just pretend you are a diplomat or immune from us law. you need their permission to have a status they recognise as being outside their jurisdiction while remaining within their territory
..
anyway
if you do manage to get state/fed recognition that your private land is a nation.
then make sure they have designated it an independent nation and not a 'domestic dependent nation'
then make sure they set a treaty up with you to put your land outside of their jurisdiction both state and fed.
then make sure they set a treaty up to allow you some freedoms if you step off your driveway
.. goodluck getting that permission
... let me prepare a glass of whiskey and ill be back to correct this guys mis-beliefs
....
5minutes later
....
voiding your US citizenship makes you an illegal alien.
you cannot just declare yourself as sovereign whilst within the borders or the US
you cannot just declare your home/land as an independent nation
you need the US to recognise and accept it. (permission)
you have options:
-become recognised as a nation(permission)and have a treaty/diplomatic agreement that you/your land sit outside US state/fed jurisdiction. then seek a treaty to allow you some freedoms(diplomatic immunity)
-become a citizen of another nation that already has a treaty/diplomatic relations to stay 'free' within the US
(get a native american tribal leader to declare you a citizen of their tribe)
if your not recognised as a citizen of a nation. you are an illegal alien. and the us will handle you as such
if you are recognised as a citizen of another nation without having treaty/diplomatic relations. you are an illegal immigrant.. and as such the US has laws about that too.
you need to be 'owned' by someone(tribe/nation/slave owner)
and that 'someone' has to have good relations and an agreement(treaty) with the US to allow you to remain in the us and 'free' to move about
(its why immigrants need 'sponsors' slaves need slave owners and native americans need tribal leaders recognised by us government)
yep even native americans cannot just magic up a new tribe the fed/state doesnt recognise
if you think slaves, native americans and immigrants were 'sovereign' and 'free' by default..think again.
wars and treaties set the jurisdiction boundaries.. not self declarations
and now the boundaries are set. you cannot just make a new boundary by self declaration
you have to have a nation which USA recognises and also allows special privileges to..
take 300-200 years ago. colonists didnt recognise any land was owned by anyone. so they just walked on through
..native americans fought back. eventually a treaty was formed with tribes to set land borders of what tribes declared as their sovereign reserves which colonists could not pass without permission and colonists could not set rule over. not realising they were setting a boundary/prison for themselves
native americans had their own nations they were sovereign of(by way of treaty) but soon found out they were not allowed to leave their nations(tribal land) to freely walk around the US. they imprisoned themselves within their own reservations by way of the treaties which they thought would keep the colonists out
african slaves were not free to walk outside their slave owners land without permission from their slave master who was a colonial citizen and had a slave licence that allowed certain privileges.
take 100 years ago
the US gave US citizenship to everyone born/naturalised within the land of the US and allowed special privileges to those of the known tribal nations, this allowed tribes access to travel within the US while still allowing them to set their own rules within their own land.
this did not mean they could set rules for US land(off reservation). nor just declare new land as theirs.. nor ignore US rules when outside of the tribal land.
these allowed privileges were done by treaties (agreements between the nations)
and over the decades. reservations sovereignty has been reduced as the US law both state and fed slowly limited what tribes on reservation land could get away with.
(state congress say murder/rape/burglary are under state jurisdiction.not tribal decision of punishment)
(state congress regulate who can own casino of reservation land. (only allowing indians))
you cant just set yourself up as a illegal alien and not expect any backlash or repercussion
unless you have a recognised nation and have an agreement of privileges(treaty).. expect backlash
without state/fed recognition and permission.. you will be treated as an illegal alien/tresspasser on us land
yep. trying to say your home is your territory outside fed jurisdiction.. doesnt make it so..it doesnt absolve you of us law/legal system. you have to have a treaty with the state/fed where there is a declaration from the state/fed that they will happily treat your territory as outside of their state/fed jurisdiction.
if your house is on US land and not a state/fed recognised nation.. you are still affected by us rule.
you cant just pretend you are a nation declared by you. you cant just pretend you are a diplomat or immune from us law. you need their permission to have a status they recognise as being outside their jurisdiction while remaining within their territory
..
anyway
if you do manage to get state/fed recognition that your private land is a nation.
then make sure they have designated it an independent nation and not a 'domestic dependent nation'
then make sure they set a treaty up with you to put your land outside of their jurisdiction both state and fed.
then make sure they set a treaty up to allow you some freedoms if you step off your driveway
.. goodluck getting that permission
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