Topic: Reputation of DT members (Read 631 times)

Find a similar accusation of Murat's actions on the forum; it definitely exists, and there are also complaints about non-payments. And he never answered. 
But everyone should take into account that this manager also accepts alternative accounts in his company since his rules do not prohibit this, as well as accounts with a negative tag. 
After that, what do the bounty hunters want? What payments? Murat can easily get out, coming up with excuses for violations. 
Once again, joining the company of Murat, the hunters do not work for themselves, so you should not look for justice.

I'm not sure if he can read your PM because of possible restrictions set according to Newbie. I just sent him a link to this thread, I believe he will read the message, it is up to him whether he will answer here.


many members come here just to do their work, and they are not very interested in "maintaining" the forum.

I see Murat stays online every day even though he doesn't post.
I doubt he is not aware of this thread. maybe he has followed the discussion but has not commented.

I don't know if it's a must or not. However, since the accusation was leveled at him, I thought he should come here to explain. it was certainly important for him to maintain his reputation as a bounty manager in the forum.

Now we just have to wait for Murat to reply. That is all.

But I also doubt that it is a trap for Murat. I'm more sure the two accounts that have been banned are Murat's. If someone wants to trap it, of course it's not happening in the same project at the same time. They just use one account and are joined in one project with Murat, not with different accounts on projects that are not connected with Murat.

Maybe people here think I'm unfair, for not telling him. But I've done it. And I waited for him to be active for more than 24 hours.

Yes. Of course I already told him.
https://i.postimg.cc/Qt8Ztx4B/murat-pm.png

It's not a matter of getting a chance to join his campaign. I think there are many other managers here who are more honest. Many bounty managers do not pay participants, but they are not as fraudulent as he is by erasing tracks.

It is important in your case. You created the thread because you are butthurt and you want the manager to lose his reputation. You are butthurt maybe the manager found you cheating and left you a negative feedback. On the other hand you don't want to lose your chances to join their campaigns too if the cheating was not the reason. So you are hiding your main account.

I would not tell a word against OP if he was able to give good reasons to support his accusation. So of course I know none matters but in this case it does matter.

become ALT Murat or not, still can't be proven. but the other two accounts are already.
it makes sense if it's a new account copying its address. one could assume, it was part of the revenge of the people in Murat's past.
but looking at the ratings of both accounts, it doesn't seem that simple.

As far as I know, this is not the first time the bounty manager has been accused.
if the OP had contacted him I guess Murat would have explained everything soon enough. today he is seen online.

Yes because if you're running a debate with one side only, it is called ranting not a public dispute. You must notify Murat about this thread so we can hear both sides of the story.

Of course it's the right move, but you may not be able send to Murat PM because you're still a newbie. You can quote one of Murat's posts and refer him to this thread to let him know about what's going on.

Well, no other way to entrap someone this way other than ruining your own account in the process. As I said in my previous post, I am more inclined to believe that those two accounts are indeed his. I mean, if those two accounts were like Newbie/Jr Member/Member then yes, someone could have wasted them just to ruin him,  but in this case situation is different and accounts were of decent rank which makes entrapment less likely. But still, forum staff is hesitant to ban anyone without proving beyond a reasonable doubt that it is the case of ban evading, and with them using the address after him that's not the case here.

Having said all this, bitcointalk has very capable investigators and if there is something to be found, it most likely will.

I'm sure he already knows about this.
But I will ask him to be here.

You want to open an accusation or inquiry about a person, then yes it's a must to pm that user and let them defend themselves. You don't hold a trial in court and not inform a defendant!!!

He may or may not respond (likely not) but you have to at least PM him to give him the option.

It really doesn't make sense for someone to want to sacrifice their own account using someone else's wallet address. Because Sergio Red didn't have any problems before and ended up getting banned after getting reports the account was connected to Kpcian.

Likewise with Kpcian, of course it is impossible to sacrifice his account for the umpteenth time after getting the first Red trust by TwitchySeal on 2016-10-01

And get the next Red Trust on 2018-04-21 by yahoo62278 and on 2018-04-22 by The Pharmacist.

Meanwhile, Sergio Red and Kpcian used the wallet address on February 01, 2018 That means long before they get Red trust.

What you should know is that Kpcian is not a Newbie ranking account.
If it was a cheat that sacrificed his account, of course they wouldn't sacrifice an account that was much bigger than the rank that was sacrificed.

Thank you for the information. Maybe I don't understand this concept.
I don't think it's a matter of winning the battle or not, but a matter of trust. Of course, DT's reputation must come first. How could a sinful judge punish another person?

This is also one of the reasons I raised him as a fraud in the bounty campaign. Of course he will say the same reason every time the bounty is finished if he doesn't pay the participant.

Is it a must?
If he's an honest person, why did he delete the bounty list? Why didn't he reject the participant's articles and videos with the list still in the spreadsheets?

In this case, of course, I asked DT members for help. If only one DT member believed him, of course it raised further questions.

That is not important. Because this is not an opportunity to reveal identity. There are many people who do their job honestly in this forum without us knowing their identity.

If someone traps Murat by using Murat's wallet address. Certainly not like the person who digs a hole and jumps himself first.
Sometimes such arguments make me smile.

According to you? Do I have to respond to what you say?

You may consider it an act of cowardice, but it does not matter and it is fine with the admin, the op probably doesn't want something controversial to be associated with their main account, like Theymos has said:
Their accusation will have value on the kind of proof they bring out, not the account they use to make the accusation, or the bravery you want them to show.

Creating new account and post a accusation is act of cowards. Your accusation doesn't have value so much better if you post this and use your main account so that we can see you brave then maybe we can see your accusation is legit and not fake ones.

None of that really matters as long as those sock puppet accounts provide legit and quality evidence that support their claim but in this case OP failed to do that (at least regarding ban evasion).

As others said, just because they used the same address doesn't make them alts but I always wonder what could be the reason behind that and how likely is that they tried to frame Murat by using his address. Having said that, I think that there is a pretty good chance those accounts are his and that he is indeed ban evading, but impossible to say with 100% certainty without stronger evidence.

Do you think any of the bounty hunter will ever read what you wrote 🤣?
Even the OP was never here (I strongly feel that). He is butthurt because maybe he did not get paid for cheating.

We are paying too much attention to balls-less sockpuppet accounts. If someone does not have balls to speak from their own identity then they are hypocrite. We don't know if OP is not a trust abuser, scammer or competitor of the accused user. People are doing all sorts of thing to make others look bad, especially if that other is someone they do not like for some reason.

Not so. If I remember correctly, in the past there were almost no written campaign rules about joining multiple accounts. So using someone else's address is not a good initiative to damage someone's reputation or for revenge, at least it wouldn't have crossed the members' minds at the time.

This is not the first accusation of this manager; I also observed many violations on his part. Today, only one member of DT1 trusts him, which makes Murat appear on the lists of DT2. 
Many times, it has been advised to bounty hunters to simply avoid being involved with this manager. I don't think he leads successful projects that one could regret. But by not participating in his companies, you simply provide yourself with peace of mind and confidence that you will not be deceived.

Have you asked Murat to publicly comment about this before throwing a conundrum in town square? If not, go do that first.

It's not the first time Murat is accused of doing shady things in bounty campaigns. But from accusation to being real there's still a big step.

I am not good in reading this kind of proof, but some can easily argue that one of the users may have been using that address by mistake or so.
kpcian has negative trust though for cheating signature campaigns. So maybe some of the known bounty cheater hunters can shed a light in this.


1. It's not the Admininstrator who chooses DT1, it's more complicated than that and it's based on who trust this guy (Admin can ban thought somebody from becoming DT1)
2. Murat is not DT1, it's DT2, and that comes from somebody in DT1 trusting him (in this case it's YOSHIE). And since YOSHIE is also one of the best in finding those scamming bounty campaigns I guess that he will take a look into those accusations better than I could.

The administrator does not choose who will be on DT1 or DT2. The trust system is decentralized, that is to say it's in the hands of me and you. If you think Murat doesn't need to be on DT, you can distrust him and you could be lucky others may also ; If this happens, next week Murat might not be on DT and by then you will win the battle.

Murat has posted that address first before the other member's in your post, so that doesn't make them Murat's alt, i can go to Theymos' profile or that of LoyceV and copy their address and post it somewhere in the forum, but they posted it first and so it does not make me any of them.

Murat connection account and he is also a scammer!

Murat is a member of DT2 who needs our serious attention in this forum. So that the administrator is not wrong in choosing DT members.

Connection account with Murat:
#6
https://i.ibb.co/wdZq1SK/Murat.png
Proof: web.archive.org

 #11
https://i.ibb.co/Yy5m8S2/kpcian.png
Proof: web.archive.org

 #7
https://i.ibb.co/Cv6LM8j/sergio-red.png
Proof: web.archive.org

https://ninjastic.space/address/0x00fcbc504edf0602a4defa41364e33f68628308b
https://i.ibb.co/7bJBHCX/address.png

Why do I bring up the past?
Because he's a member of DT he should have a good track record, not a fraud.
If he had cheated before, then he will do it next time.

Recently he had just committed a scam by not paying bounty participants, and eliminating proof of registration by deleting a portion of the spreadsheet.

Bounties: [Bounty] [Polygon] Metavault.Trade Social Media Campaign [$20k Tokens]🔥🔥
Proof: web.archive.org

In the bounty thread it says:

https://i.ibb.co/zXLN5Zd/murat-scams2.png

I can't confirm 20k in tokens or in dollars.
Nonetheless, I will count in two payment methods, dollar and tokens.

https://i.ibb.co/PrNYmQq/distribution.png

Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O5eKEZ_jnoUzScckuXu3W-J19YZM3pq2BwcTlWoG58s/edit#gid=432257011

TX: https://polygonscan.com/tx/0x470a92c2cdf7c66711544a6c230a3e517ebdc6b9124482f3e8f233979b8bf365

Price at the time of distribution.

https://i.ibb.co/48qYDcz/price.png

Apart from that, he doesn't pay for the bounty participants of the video campaign and article campaign.

This is the only information I can provide, the rest I leave to the DT members to do further research.

Did someone come to defend him, pretending to be a savior god?