Topic: Request For Help From P&S Regulars/P&S Meta Thread (Read 38493 times)

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Of course, some saw this coming and bugged out.

What!!

So I can’t say things suck as spik, kike, retard, nigger, mudslime, chink, christcuck, cracker, bug people, gook, cockroaches, pajeet, poo in loos, bongs, burgers, Muhammad was a pedo, you will never be a real woman, dialate, sodomites will go to hell, etc.??

They are too weak to handle criticism here?

Sounds like a shit website..

This cannot be implemented - how will someone defend against accusations by claiming I am "stroking out"?

Any similarity to actual events or users, living or dead, may or may not be entirely coincidental.

Nutjobs on the P&S boards??!! Creating threads to whine about deleted posts even???!
Well gee, I just can’t imagine who on earth you could be talking about....

This. Just make sure to lay the rules out in the OP so that everyone is fully informed what is allowed in the thread and what isn't. Some nutjob trolls also moonlight as wannabe intertubes lawyers so if you're not feeding them a well-balanced diet of pseudo-legalese then for every deleted post they'll create a thread to complain about it. Actually they'll probably complain anyway, just ignore it. Bottom line, I'd like to see more clean self-modded threads in P&S, whiners be damned.

Anything theymos wants/agrees can be approved, I don't think having a super moderated sub is going to entice quality debate on policy, ideology etc etc like you think.

Honestly you have tools given to you to avoid anyone you don't want to interact with, feel free to make any topic you want a self modded thread, you are then perfectly free to have any kind of serious discussion you feel like dealing with.

If you're vision of serious discussion is what the sub wants your self modded topics will be the life of the sub!

You can also ignore ANYONE you want.

You have tools to avoid trolls and choices on what to post.  Is it perfect, FUCK NO but it's better than the alternative which is having a full on right or left echo chamber of retarded ideas which is what it will become or will be accused of being.

BTW me being allowed to call anyone I want a cunt is a big part of the appeal of this forum (for me personally)!

Or just make a serious discussion for P&S in particular. Wouldn't that be something that could be approved?

I want everyone to have the right to post what they believe, and to post their stance on issues. This is true even if I am condemning the viewpoint.

I personally do not respond to the extreme extremist posts, illuminati posts, and posts that attack specific religions. I encourage others to do the same, and I predict they will eventually leave the P&S sub.

If policies were to be changed for the P&S sub, I would suggest using Twitter's Hateful Conduct Policy, in particular:

theymos has stated before one of the primary goals of the forum is to be "as free as possible".  This comes with some pro's and con's.  One of the cons is that everyone from the pinko, communist, socialist, libtard cucks to the xenophobic, alt right, incel, conspiritard twats have the same right to spew their garbage as anyone else.  Rest easy though bro, it's a dark little shit filled corner of the interwebz and has no bearing on reality!


As Suchmoon suggested perhaps try Serious Discussion for more "serious" conversations.  It isn't up to me or any mod to arbitrate the "value of a source" you're going to have to vet the value of those sources (and the poster IMO) own your own.

Adding more rules that are subject to a mod's review/control is just going to give the vocal minority more shit to cry about, trust me they have enough to cry about and a victim complex already and do so incessantly.

Personal attacks are just off topic rants without substance that make threads harder to keep up with.

That's a trivial problem.  Anything not agreeable to the mainstream media is a 'conspiracy theory'.  Anything they report as the truth is not.

Now shut up, get your booster vaccinations on schedule, and pay your carbon taxes to save the earth.


Ah, fuck off snowflake

Seriously, that's such a nebulous concept that it is certain to cause no end of grief.  Completely unnecessary as well.  Just disengage and ignore if you something bothers you.  Seriously!

Humans are just being humans here.  One of the problems with our society is that people are trying to impose norms which are not normal and inject other sources of tension like 'impossible equality' into society.  My belief is that it is often a very deliberate strategy to destabilize society promoted by fairly clever people who know exactly what they are doing.  Most people just accept the explaination that 'they' are just bringing 'peace'.  Nothing could be farther form the truth.

Ah, I mean that is pretty fair.

I just like getting paid for posting what I love! So yeah.

I don't see an issue allowing sigs if people aren't just abusing it for $$$$ -- I think there are some campaigns that are pretty solid (even some people in cryptotalk who post here are OKAY)

I meant just turn them off so they don't appear.  You could still post in the forum, just wouldn't get paid for them.  Like the serious discussion forum.

I guess I'm going to be going on a crusade in the next few days regarding garbage spam posts from people (sig campaign or not)

I mean even in my idea, there are issues of what do different people determine 'serious' -- though I would assume that most think that it's fair to stop posting on the 4000 page posts on here. Things like "WHY IM AN ATHESIST" WITH 4000000000 REPLIES and so on and so forth.

I would like to see a lot of the garbage go to one area, and the more serious disccusions staying here. We'd have to work to define what 'serious' means though.

Even if we had some broad rules like no personal attacks, etc. That would do something.



I mean -- I'm pretty biased when it comes to the no signatures part. Though I dont see much of an issue with a QUALITY poster posting with a signature. If they are rewarded for their work then so be it.

But ya know, a tad biased on the matter cause below.....

This is a good idea.  A "No Personal Attacks" rule would eliminate most of the nonsense.  Maybe get rid of signatures also.

I actually suggested half-jokingly in some other thread that we should create a conspiracy sub-board for P&S. There is a bit of a problem with that though. Who gets to decide what is a conspiracy?

Perhaps it needs to go the other way. Maybe P&S needs to be left as is and the more serious discussions need to move into their namesake board.

As for off-topic garbage (cryptotalk or illuminati or whatever) polluting otherwise normal threads - the solution is still the same as usual: report to moderator. This would be needed regardless of any new boards or new rules we might come up with.

I'd like to ask for a 'SERIOUS' politics and society discussion section on here, where we'd only be allowing comments that add true value to the conversation and things along those lines.

I'm tired of this board being a bullshit cesspool of FAR OFF conspiracies, attacks on Jews/ other ethnic groups, attacks on the ILLUMINATI, and so on and so forth.

Can we have a real fucking section where we have policy debates, debates about what the president / any political person has done without erupting into personal attacks and retarded statements from sources with little to no value. (Yes that means I don't want to see some stupid fucking blog spam or youtube video with no value)

I'd like to know if I have any interest / support of something like this.

Could we talk about the amount of spam the CryptoTalk sig campaign is causing on this board? Most of the people posting here from their campaign are just spamming random BS.

We have enough useless spam here, we don't need this.....

I didn't think about it much.  Given your fairly good points, my answer would be just this sub, or if there are any other kinda deliberately off-topic and which people who think they are 'clever' can try to promote a particular brand of propaganda.

Maybe on some of the 'announce subs it also makes sense for there to be no self-moderation since the announce thread often becomes a rather valuable source of community feedback on the real-world operation of a particular effort.  It would suck for a scammer to get away with scams longer because he moderated out complaints.  But then anyone could start and [service ann]-UNMOD thread for the general community to discuss a service I suppose.  Maybe it happens.  I kinda almost exclusively scan/troll the politics+society one these days for general non-BTC related entertainment since I don't indulge in any other form of social media

I’m curious if you mean in terms of just this sub or btalk as a whole. Theymos and that Flying Hellfish fellow know what they’re doing in that regard I can assure you. I also can assure you Self Mod topics can be extremely necessary in some boards ( collectibles and general discussion for example ). Some posts aren’t meant for the masses / opinions  ( or more likely sig spamming aimlessly off topic ).   This board is more for open dialogue/opinion than many others, rendering it less needed. IMHO anyhow.

It would be a welcome new rule if it is one.  Normally 'self-moderation' is used by people who have an agenda of some sort and who want to control others so that they don't interfere with the hidden planning and scheming.

More and more people are shocked and chagrined that they cannot just present a particular viewpoint or 'fact' and not have it go unchallenged.  'self-moderation' is the most obvious solution to this 'problem'.

Generally speaking, someone who wants to self-moderate is better off with their own web-site.  Hijacking someone elses' more popular platform and taking full control of a little piece of it (e.g., 'your' thread) is kind of pathetic.

+1 on this.

I've ignored him, but even with that I have to see all of his topics saying that half of the threads in here are ignored.

Is there anything we can do to stop that sort of spam.


ALSO:

Tried to make a self moderated thread before and it seems to not be allowed on here anymore, was that just a fluke or is there a new rule here?

So B1tUnl0ck3r is basically making this forum unreadable.  The majority of threads are started by him, all incoherent and mostly 0 responses.  He also invades most of the rest of the threads with irrelevant anti-semitic rants.

As a reader, reading very long trails demotivates me and loses my interest to be honest.
I'll rather have it short and simple, like this

Hey!

As a newbie around here I'll try to do my best on this board 

But I'd like to know, should off topicness be reported?
Problem for me is that when going into political debate, if you manage to do something a bit constructive, that should more or less look like a battle of arguments. Each argument being potentially supported or challenged by others... Each of those others by again others...

Like for example on the thread I oppened on the subject of banlifting of weapons possession in Europe, someone answered about the 3d printing of weapons and someone about the American constitution. Each of those arguments could lead to international copyright or internet censorship or electoral systems... While still being LINKED to the topic but by a far far faaaaaaaaaaaaaar extend.

So is off-topic something even possible on the P&S board? Is it something you should report?

Welcome back to the board!  I hope you will feel like joining back in some of the debates going on!

You raise a number of concerns and I agree it can be a challenging environment at times!

In simple terms theymos' vision for the forum is to be "as free as possible".  This philosophy allows all of us to spew our shit on the pages!  What comes along with being allowed to spew any old shit we want, we also have to deal with others spewing any old shit they want.

I assume that this freedom draws in more of the extreme fringes of society as they can say many things here they can't most other places.  Having any kind of engaging audience just gives them more reason to be here!

I agree certain users are here to push an agenda no matter what.  Along with giving us all the ability to spew shit because of theymos' vision he also gave us a couple of tools to use to combat those we feel are not worth our time.  Putting a user on ignore is one such tool and will allow you a bit of freedom from any user you choose!  The other option is to start self moderated threads, this allows you to delete any post you want, for any reason!

I don't personally have anyone on ignore, it's kinda hard to moderate if you can't read posts hehe.  I do have a couple of self mod'd threads and I encourage debate but there are a couple of users that are not welcome in the thread no matter what they write.

I hope this helps and you will join in the debates again!

FH

Hello FH, first time talking to you so first thanks for your work on the forum.

I've spent a quite long time in P&S cause that's what I love. But I've ran away and I don't think I'm the only one.

I know you talk about lengthy posts here, but I think it's a bit as talking about a last stage cancer and saying "ok we need to do something about your nosebleed". The nosebleed is a problem but that's definitely not the main problem, it's just a consequence.

Deleting posts CANT be a long term solution. Apart from the huge amount of work for you it justs doesn't affect the rats swarming this place.

I think everyone will agree on the fact that a few people are responsible for maybe 80% of this section pollution and that's why I left. Getting different opinions and sometimes... Bizarre personalities and theories is perfectly fine, especially on this section. For example I don't think there is even one thing in common between my opinions/vision of the world and the one of Spendulus. We disagree on pretty much everything and sometimes the arguments were a bit... hot but never utterly stupid or repetitive.

Problems come with people who are not here to discuss but to vomit their agenda. Do I have to give the names of BADEcker or popcorn1?

And honestly when you get Spendulus, Techshare, Pocorn1 and Badecker on your thread (like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/why-are-some-people-still-skeptical-about-climate-change-4666163 )... Man you gotta be motivated to even continue the discussion...

It's not a question of political agenda, it's just a question of keeping the debate open. It's not possible when you encounter 4 or 5 aggressive trasher at the same time. It just makes people trying to discuss go away. Though I don't have a solution...

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45074470

TECHSHARE has accused me of being a rapist   and i believe him .. It was good on here before you come..WHY DON'T YOU GO AWAY?

WHO ARE YOU?    no body likes you you are a shit face  ..

I can't believe they let the trolls on this forum like BADecker, Spendulus, TECHSHARE, CoinCube, B1tUnl0ck3r, etc., post whatever the fuck they want.
Yes i agree ..I think it's because they tell lies  ..

Cannot seem to except 9/11 was an inside job  Hmm maybe they had moves on the stocks from the inside job information..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBPNLRRM5i0

I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It

Thought this was a good time for this, carry on!

Of course your post are awesome and perfect while theirs are trolling.  I don't think I have ever agreed with one of the trolls listed above and they have all accused me of censoring their posts as well.  I have removed MANY MANY posts from the "trolls" above.

You on the other hand have reposted the same thing that IS WAY OT 4 times after I have deleted it and tried to PM you about it, now you have sand in your pussy about it.

Honestly I fucking hate those retards as well but theymos has made it crystal fucking clear they are allowed their opinion just as you are, as long as everyone follows the rules.  I get it you don't like how I apply the rules because I try to apply them evenly and not to suit your benefit I am not perfect and I don't see every fucking post from every fucking user.

TECHSHARE has accused me of being a rapist do you really fucking think I am protecting him beyond the rules I have to enforce....

Sounds a lot like you're a fucking troll as well...

Since the mods love to delete my posts that I spend 15-30 minutes researching and typing... I'm done here

I can't believe they let the trolls on this forum like BADecker, Spendulus, TECHSHARE, CoinCube, B1tUnl0ck3r, etc., post whatever the fuck they want... little 1-liner insults... multi-posting... off-topic nonsense all the time

But, if I post information to debunk their bullshit... my posts get deleted... fuck this, I'm out

Enjoy your trolls

Isn't there a way to add a "max length" value to quotes?
This would solve the problem quickly

^^..Now you got rid of my amazing posts again  ..I will batter you next time CHIP SHOP STYLE

You're not special shit cunt, < WELL I THINKS I AM  even if you don't ..

Welcome back how was the "holiday form the forum"?  As soon as you follow the rules like EVERYONE else I will have nothing to delete.  You are as dense as a fucking rock you moron.  If you had half a brain cell you would know that I give zero fucks what content is in your posts.  

Say whatever the fuck comes into that tiny little brain of yours. If you're to stupid to learn how to use the edit button and continue to ignore the rules then ya we're gonna have more problems.

We can play these games all day long asshole, remember though one of us has a delete button and the forum rules on their side.  In case you're too stupid to figure out which one of the two of us has the delete button it's not you!

If you weren't so fucking stupid you would have figured out long ago after being informed politely of such that all you have to do is 1 simple thing and I will not delete anymore of your shitty posts.

You have exactly 2 ways to get me to stop deleting your posts.  I know your too stupid to be able to figure them out so I will explain them ONE LAST time for you.

1- Stop breaking the rules (learn to use the edit button, you're not the only one on the fourm asshole, think of the readers for once shithead)
2- Take it to Meta and convince theymos to remove me as moderator.

Can you tell me which one has a 100% chance of success and which one has a much much lower chance of success.

Can you see where I am going with all this.  I am done being polite to you as that is ineffective, I had PM'd you out of respect to your rank letting you know about the rule violations.  When you ignored that and began raving like a lunatic again I sent another PM warning you.  You're not special shit cunt, you don't get to follow the rules you like and ignore the rest.

You're posts were not deleted because they were off topic they were deleted because you were polluting multiple threads with sometimes 3 or 4 consecutive posts.  I asked you twice politely to use the edit button but you are essentially an unreasonable user that responded the way you did instead of just following the rules like everyone else.

WARNING  don't threaten me    PRICK.. STICK YOUR ACCOUNT    WHO GIVES A FUCK..

I was just asking for clarification on why some threads were moved and not others... it seemed to me that several religious themed threads were moved, and that was the motivation...

I see by your answer its simply arbitrary based on whether you feel it belongs there... so, basically I have zero rules to guide me, and only your personal decision on what you think belongs here... great... good times

How exactly do you decide that a thread called "Evolution is a hoax" where some idiot just argues nonsense about why he's religious and hates evolution... is more relevant to this section than a poll about religious beliefs... one has to do with politics and society (my poll about religious beliefs is society), and the other is 100% off topic (Evolution is a hoax)

The level of discourse on this forum is quite sad anyway... most posts appear to be made by children simply to increase their post count... I don't know why I even bother

I would generally agree with these statements however I wouldn't cast it as an absolute.  I would rather look at it on a scale.  Some religious topics do not belong in this section IMO.  for example your thread that you PM'd me about was not about political implications it was an opinion poll for what is the best religion.  I did not see a lot of value in the thread being in this board, my options are delete, lock or move it.  I chose the one that didn't censor the topic, feel free to continue to discuss it!



That's not how it works dude, I don't get to create boards, I work within the system provided.  If either of us don't like it we can complain, deal with it or leave.


It appears that way because it is and the arbitrary decision is left to me.  Again not all religious topics belong in this section IMO. I don't look at this subject in terms of absolutes.  The rules are subjective I did not receive instructions on what and how to specifically mod the section.  I apply the rules the best I can based on my interpretation of the rules.  If you believe I am not interpreting the correctly after we talk about it feel free to take it to meta!

It is funny you say half the religious topics have been moved to OT.  In reality I have moved dozens of threads in the last couple of weeks and I believe 1 of them was a religion opinion poll.  In fairness it may have been a couple of religious threads moved but they were shit topics I probably should have shit canned instead of moving but meh, point being it isn't anywhere near half.

It is also worth noting that as I mentioned I feel I have been extra lenient on the religious subjects.  I won't be moving every thread on this subject to OT it does as mentioned have a lot of society and political implications, but I also don't think I will leave all them anymore and will be making decisions on what to leave and what to move.

Thanks for the PM since I have responded here I won't bother with a reply.

Once FH was appointed moderator I almost went on a tagging spree, under redundant/duplicate topic.

However I wanted to leave it to FH and some of the people who were active here while it was a steaming pile.

Religious topics should be treated the same as any other topic, which it appears they now have been. Unless a topic brings a fresh new perspective for conversation or is about a different religion it doesn't need new or multiple topics. Also not all religioous topics had anything to do with P&S, and on this board there should be a reasonable connection.

FH has been reasonable and provided a good line of communication, so I'm petty sure if you bring an example of a thread that shouldn't have been moved or if

I personally feel that religious topics should be in the politics & society section... for many people, religion is the basis for society

Religion causes many of the problems with politics & society

Religion is extremely relevant to this section

If you think differently, then create a religious subforum and move ALL the religious topics to the same place... it appears completely arbitrary that you move half of the religious topics to off-topic and leave the other half in politics & society

That is generally the line I try to take on threads.  I freely admit I may make a mistake though, and if anyone thinks I have I don't mind a PM to discuss it!  I wish I could follow in depth every thread and post but I don't have the time for that, so I have to make a decision sometimes.  The thread in question seemed to be redundant repetitive arguments but if there is genuine back and forth I will unlock it and let the debate continue.  Indecently as I mentioned if it was the OP that locked the thread I will not unlock it (unless someone can show me a forum rule that says I have too!)

I used to tag the threads I locked with a little mods note, and your suggestion is a very reasonable one so I will start tagging threads I lock with a note indicating it was me!

Honestly dude, believe it or not, I am just some average Joe schmuck, I am not pushing an agenda, hidden or open.  I really really don't give a flying fuck what content/topics are discussed (provided they're on topic for starters).  The only thing I care about is following the forum rules and a lot of those are subjective!

I am hesitant to touch these threads and for the most part have left them to be on their own because of my personal Anti-Theist views (although I will happily delete individual redundant shitposts in these threads).   As I mentioned I feel there is a tremendous amount of redundancy in the religious threads but I haven't done anything with them so I don't look like I am pushing a personal agenda.  If anything I have been overly lenient on them on purpose.

Also as I mentioned I am still trying to figure out the direction of the sub.  What is the scale of society based topics that we allow?  I could go hard line and say all topics must have a political direction.  In such a case to me one religious group killing another would then fall into an off topic category here as the debate would largely be a "our book says were right and not all people of one religion are killing people" and not political so should be moved to OT.

I haven't taken the hard line approach yet because I feel there are some interesting topics that aren't specifically political but can have some political implications on a deeper level perhaps or that impact society globally (the SpaceX Mars thread comes to mind).  I don't want to also push these threads to OT because it doesn't specifically make mention of the politics in the OP.  I think there is a bunch of interesting threads that we would lose if I went hard line.  I'd like to keep those options for threads open.

I am considering opening a thread in meta to ask for comments on the direction of the board.  See if users what specific political discussion for each thread or does something as global as religion and humanity style issues belong under the society heading and thus appropriate.

Fair points all, and one need not try very hard insight me to conspiricy theorism.  I am somewhat sensitive to efforts like JDIF since I've seen them in action.  Am familiar with Cass Sunstein's theories/tactics.  Etc.  It's not totally idle conjecture that such efforts do exist and they probably won't be going away any time soon.  In fact they will probably be mostly AI at some point if they are not already.

A friendly suggestion would be to treat threads which seem to have legitimate conversation going (e.g., paragraph or two points and counter-points with realistic quoting) differently than those which do not.  To a large degree they might be recognized on sight without a whole lot of  analysis.  At least to an adequate level of precision.  Certainly it is eyebrow raising to see the shear number of religious tinged threads, and they can be quite tedious.  (Thankfully I don't have to even open them unless I am particularly bored.)

Another suggestion would be to have it clear who, exactly, locked the thread.  Even better would be a brief description of why.

Would it surprise you to know that I get my directions on what posts and threads to moderate in the form of an anonymous briefcase dropped off at the end of my driveway with a burner phone and some Benjamin's?  I never thought much about it but the briefcase does seem to have a Wikipedia page in it every time (I use my lucky charms decoder ring to decipher the wiki page, don't know why they send me a phone).


Would it make more suspicious if I told you I locked the thread and not the OP?  You give me far to much credit to be able to figure out that an OP locked a thread because he didn't like the direction it was going.  If I have to look out for that shit bro, yall need a new mod here!  Not to mention an OP can lock a topic anytime they like AFAIK and unless I lock the thread I will not be unlocking them.

We have threads like, muslims hate christians, muslims kill christians, muslims hate muslims, christians hate christians, christians kill muslims, christians hate muslims, everyone hates muslims, everyone hates christians, everyone hates moderators, religion is poison, can we live without religion, did the christian touch you in a bad place, did the muslim touch you in a bad place, do you believe in god, why do you believe in good, did god touch you in a bad place, I'm an atheist, why do atheists hate religion, did the atheist touch you in a bad spot.

Would it also surprise and shock you to know that I have no special training to be the Mod of such a high politically valued target such as this board?

I've spent a fair bit of time purging (locking, deleting, moving threads) the shit around here, I have also spent a fair bit of time trying to figure out what to do with all the religious themed threads.  I have not moved any as of yet, I can see some political debate being involved in a lot of religious themes.  Some of them are certainly politically not relevant but I haven't moved them YET because I see they cover a wide section of society.

I didn't get any specific instructions on the exact direction of the sub, and so I am still trying to balance the line between politics and society.  Realistically you could argue anything affects society.

Honestly though man, instead of assuming stuff and thinking conspiracies you could have just dropped me a PM asking to open the thread or ask why it was locked.  I get PM's from time to time asking similar questions and I believe I have answered all of them.  I also probably would have unlocked it for you pretty quick!

Not really on topic, but kind of:

It is common for platforms to be taken over for purposes which are political in nature.  This occurs when the attacker has coordination and resources, and when the target is of high value.  This happened to Wikipedia over a decade ago, and it is now a joke to sophisticated internet users who know the history.

I would hope that the moderator (of specifically the P&S board) would be aware of instances where a particular point of view is of political value to be promoted.  When a spirited discussion is occurring (vs. a bunch of one-liner 'virtue quiz' style posts) and especially when it is starting to go against what the original author might have had in mind and the author seems to lock the thread, I would hope that the moderator would take it upon themselves to unlock it.  The goal would be to avoid having Bitcointalk fall into the same trap that Wikipedia fell victim to to the detriment of the world at large.

FWIW, my post here was 'triggered' by the 'Muslims kill Christians' thread.

Wow! A post that could have come from me. I agree completely. I would add that one should snip out the images as well.

I have seen that on some forums the quote is limited to a dozen lines or so, and at the bottom of the quote there is a ...more... type of link. Clicking this expands the quote. I have suggested several times that this is added to the forum, as it would reduce the work of the mods.

These have a noticeable effect. By increasing the noise to signal ratio, meaningful content is rapidly moved past the front page, and is lost.

Agreed


To be honest it's a really minor issue in the grand scheme of things.  I don't know of a rule that says long quotes are not allowed, although I guess one could make the argument it spam which is actually reasonable IMO.  I am certainly not at the point of deleting posts because it's got a long quote trail!  I don't think it needs anything more than people considering the reader!

It's more of an etiquette issue at the moment and I hope folks will consider the reader, if you want your post read, be nice to the reader!!!


It's such a minor issue that the simple solution is probably the best ie just be considerate of the reader!  If that doesn't work and 1 or a few users are being ridiculous about it we can look at manually intervening and escalating if absolutely necessary!

The problem is that on rare occasion it can make sense to do very long strings of quotes.

One solution may be to (programmatically) allow all users a quota of high-percentage-quoted material and when exceeded an auto-trim occurs.

Another family of solutions would incur some degree of inconvenience to the person doing blind-quoting.  The problem here is that threads of conversation tend to benefit a lot by targeted and contentually relevant quotes.  The threads which do this tend to be the ones with more high-value content in my observation (and IMHO.)

Hmm... Isn't there a way to add a "maxlength" value to quotes?
This would solve the problem quickly.

It is a little off topic but I know a guy that will let us chat about it here  

TBH the 10 word shitpost are kinda easy to spot and dump.  Granted I'm sure I miss tons of them.  It really comes down to me doing it alone.  I literally get less than 1 report a day, so anything cleaned up is done 99% by me.  I don't mind so much and I do what I can!

The ones that eat my time are the "paragraph" redundant posts.  They take much more time to read and make a determination on.  I really do want to make sure I don't get rid of a post by someone with a genuine opinion (whatever the fuck it may be!)!  I do leave a lot "just in case", I would love to dump a fuck ton more but I'm here to enforce forum rules and not my own!!

The next problem I will ask folks to start working on is the multi-posting (this is not directed at you mate!!!!).  It is starting to become a bit of an eyesore, it's a very few users so I think we can work together to get that taken care of!

May be more applicable to the meta board, but...

I wonder if in an algorithmic manner it would work to require initial posts to be lengthy, complex, and coherent.  A genuine and interested user could take the time to produce a couple of these even if he/she were limited to cell phone or whatever.

The goal would be to reduce some of the 10 word no-quote content from new users.  I've been trying for years to determine if some of these are AI bots or not and have not come to any conclusion.  One way or another the value they add seems negligible at best and the effort to police them up must be significant.

A mortal with a broom will not keep up with a bot-farm, or even vast swarms of ankle-bitter bio-bots.  Will eventually lose intterest and walk away in frustration.  Would be nice to figure out an automated way of dealing with this surface level crust.

Absolutely no need to apologize brother!  I very much appreciate anyone making an effort to make things more readable.  If we all try a little things will improve for all of us!

I kind of figure if people don't know I'm here and I'm just doing some cleaning in the background I think I will be doing my "job" correctly!

Anyways debate away pls ladies and gentlemen!

I'll admit to the same thing, just now am I learning how to quote individual things (as in, copy and pasting what someone wrote and then using the quote bbcode)

I'll make sure to fix it myself, sorry about that FH. I am happy to see this forum going in the right direction though, we've needed some moderation for a LONG LONG TIME. Thanks FH

Thanks Bill the kind words are appreciated!  I do my best, I sometimes think I'm a little lax but to be honest if anyone is here to join in actual discussion I want them to have their say and be heard.

I won't stand for the blatant shit but I feel I generally try to err on the side of caution.  People can choose to ignore posts/threads as well I don't need to just dump every post that isn't an academic masterpiece!

I pop my head into this board now and then, looking for differences of opinion, intellectual stimulation, social commentary and a few other things; I have noticed an improvement on this board since you became moderator FH. I want to let you know that you're doing a great job, and this quote initiative is certainly needed in specifically this board. If I come across any quotes that fit your criteria, I'll certainly remember this post and adjust accordingly.

I admit to being guilty of posting as much as a week of the latest recorded Islamic extremist attacks world wide, out of the 31,000+ since 9/11. It makes a point, that of the unexpectedly long list even for a week.

I'll reduce it to the last couple days activity. Or just a link.

Appreciate your work FH!

As a long-time user, here is what I try to do.

I try to be aware that 5 seconds of editing integrated across all readers is a lot more time.  So, with 5 seconds of work I can save many hours of wasted time by others.

1) Short posts, I quote in total by highlight a point I wish to respond to.

2)  Longer threads, I try to whittle down to single specific targets of conversation even when I leave in multiple quotes.  This, unfortunately, can be cumbersome.

3)  Sometimes I'll quote a previous post but remove all content.  This so that the 1% of readers who are actually interested can quickly jump to the post to which I was responding.

4)  I use the preview feature to sanity-check quoted material.

I cannot stand cell phones or tablets and use my workstation almost exclusively.  My guess is that most people cannot because they have access only to a phone and, in my limited experience, it's a true bitch to get anything done on one of those things.  I try to cut people some slack if they are so limited.  Unfortunately, it seems that there is a correlation between 'virtue exam' postings and short cell-phone-looking posts.  Oh well.  It helps understand our various societies better I suppose.

I would like to ask the veterans of this sub to please start to snip some of the long quotes.  I have seen some unbelievably crazy long quote trails.

The absolute last thing I ever want to do is edit a users posts.  I have not yet edited another users post and I don't plan to, I would personally rather dump someones post than edit it.  I do not want to mistakenly skew your posts meaning by editing them.  

So in that vein I kindly asked that you trim down the long trails because it is really distracting to readers and IMO completely unnecessary in the vast majority of cases.

I am not asking to never quote someone but rather please be considerate of how long the trail is.  Please ask yourself is it absolutely necessary to my post to have a mega trail go with it.

I don't want to have to edit or dump your posts but we just can't have some of these crazy long trails so please take care of it so I don't have too!!!

Secondly, I notice a lot of the veterans here are quoting and responding to "shit/redundant/post count increasing" type posts.  Please do not respond to a post from a newb that is asking the same question you have answered a million times already.  You know he's not coming back and not part of the actual discussion so please don't quote and respond to them.

The best option when you see a post like that is to report it as a shit post and I will deal with the report.  Be patient we may not be on the same time zone and I am not online 24/7.  Alternatively if you don't want to report (that's fine) but please ignore the post, if I see it eventually I will dump it.

Lastly I would like to request more help reporting.  I see lots of complaints about this section yet I get almost NO reports from the same people.  Please don't be afraid to report I don't care about accuracy 1 good report is worth many bad reports!

I very much want to have a good clean sub forum where debate is encouraged and I can get closer to that goal with assistance from you good folks!