Topic: Request for the merit source for the Polish board (Read 588 times)

I also wants to thank you for the help and little lift though it's not my local board but I feels the pains as well whereby the appointed merits sources are not active to distribute those merits accordingly to post that merits it. I will have a little suggestions for you to do although I am trying to force you to do that but is something other merit source with enough merits do offer to our local board.
Like for instance you will ask pawel7777 to develop himself or any other user from their LB to pick out some of the quality post and assemble them in a thread in their local board after which he should pm you the thread where he selected those users and their quality posts maybe you can do this for like 1 months or 4 months to see the activities of the Polish local board.  I don't know if others already suggested this as well..

Hugeblack also gives same offers to all local board were he posted at Beginning & Helps sections, I think is temporarily blocked for now, but still that of our localboard post are still active I guess.  Reason he did that  he is not a native of Nigeria and can't translate our local pidgin correctly even though most of the post were purely written by english but is being mixed with pidgin along the line there could be break in translation without the native speaker so he chooses the most reputable user in our local to do that. Believe me the activities of our NLB has increased exponentially I think @Rikafip can attest that of our activities.

Well your point of view and opinion is not a bad idea but local board also part and parcel in the forum so if someone post a quality post in the local board and it is worth awarding with merits then there is no need for holding it. Now when a project is launched in the forum, those who are in the local board also use the service to do one thing or the other so if their services are needed in a particular job they would also be hired. Local Boards are also to expand the awareness of bitcoin and not only for Signature Campaigns.

Now what you are indirectly saying that people should not invest in bitcoin because it is through the local board participation people are well equipped in the general boards. I am not disagreeing with you but we should allow the merit Sources in the local boards therefore I am in full support of the op request. Some people post only in local board because they can't speak fluently in the general boards with English language but can do well in the local. So Those people should not grow in the forum because they can't speak with English language fluently?

Thanks Philip, that's very generous of you, really appreciated. I'll earmark the amount received as for the purpose of meriting our local board. I guess I'll be an informal merit source for a few months (or years if activity drops even further haha).


Thanks both! We have a lot of potentially good candidates (some much better than me) but, for various reasons, none of us wants to apply for the position. I stated the reasons on why I'm hesitant in the discussion topic in our local board (and so did the others). But I'm sure one of us will step up to the challenge eventually  .

Here is 50 more.

I am trying to lower my unspent merits from 1400 to 400. I am at 800 since I have been doing more gives.

I can't speak and read but one language so while I would love to read and help directly I have to do it with a proxy such as your self.

To be fair, I think we should be good for quite a while with all the merits we got even from this topic alone (again, massive thanks to all the senders). As per Rikafip's latest update, we jumped from being the worst (with 0.04 merit per post) to a number 3 (with 1.0 merit per post):


The current problem we have is with low activity, as there are only few active posters. Hopefully things will pick up when Bitcoin starts pumping.

We still don't have a merit source, but that's on us. We had a discussion, everyone agrees we should have one, but no one wants to volunteer for the job  Oh well.

If a post really deserves to be merited, I would merit it without thinking twice. I wouldn't even check whether it was a local or global post. But again, I do believe what you just said to be true. It may sound sad and unfair, but it's the current reality with local boards (not all, but yes). For example, I can bring up my local board. If you notice closely, you will see that users are sending merits to themselves only. The incoming and outgoing merits are all in the local thread. Some could say that the user doesn't know English, which is why all his merits are local. But NO!!! That's not true. These users do post on global boards, but they lack quality and information. As a result, they don't get any merit from global users. The sad thing is they don't even try to improve their post qualities. As they know, they already have a way to earn merits, rank up, and join sigs. And this will continue until people stop giving away merits to the locals. I'm not against sending merits on local, I do send my merits to the locals too. But not as much as I used to be because of this reason.

anything is better then nothing TBH,

we don't have active merit source from months, so we are running on left overs all the time

if few mentioned by me members that keep our local board alive don't try to get some merits outside Polish board creating merit catching threads and then share some in local board then there are no other merits coming in


thanks for taking time to check this thread, agree OP is good candidate for merit source and few from our local members already mentioned that and vouched for him here, me included.

How many smerits per month would get you guys going? 50, 100? I haven't seen any bias, or any signs of abuse from OP, it seems they are respectful and trustworthy, besides I don't think they need a lot. And if they don't have an active source, OP could be a good candidate.

Poland has been a country with talented people, who knows who can emerge from those unmerited newbies?

I am bumping this thread because nothing changed in Polish board, we still don't have active merit source and new once are not nominated despite this request

Our moderator @Malevolent and also merit source wasn't on forum from 8 months, and we really need some more merits in our local board, luckily I have seen @Rath_ active, from what I know he was our second merit source, so maybe we will see some posts merited if he find time and still is merit source

also some moderation could be useful but this is maybe topic for another thread, just hope that if this will catch attention from forum stuff maybe they will also deal with it at the same time  

activity, merits, written posts, rewarded post - in one word activity on our local Polish board keep declining all the time and we already are on the last places in rankings published on forum, in my opinion this is also because of the lack of merit source. No chance for newbies to get some merits, don't mention to get so many to rank up, so many quit after they realize that

Luckily from few years there are few members that keep this local board alive, keep posting new threads, try to comment frequently, answer to newbies posts to keep them engaged and convince to stay for longer, but whiteout steady flow of fresh merits is hard to do it

hope that this thread will finally catch some attention from forum staff

Did you report these posts? All of them are Newbies but as a Patroller I don't see any report for them in the queue.
If you report these posts Patrollers and Global Moderators can act on them.

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You can PM me the best posts monthly so I can evaluate them and send merit until you get a new merit source.

i think we need a new moderator on the polish board rather than a merit source.
what the last days/weeks and months there for new (trash) topics have arisen, where any projects/airdrops or websites are being advertised... that takes so slowly out of hand and makes the whole polish board more confusing. here are a few examples:

• 🌟 Konstruktor produktów P2E / Marketplace / Blockchain Custom 🌟
• wymiana dostepami do primary market
• DogonSwap Airdrop is LIVE 📣
• "Władza zdecentralizowana: Wzmacnianie suwerenności narodowej poprzez innowacje
• dobre kasyna
• polskie sloty

these are all threads that have been created by new users who then simply have not and will not check in again
and since unfortunately our moderator malevolent has not been online for almost half a year, no one can delete these things and bring order back to the board

Yes, I know you didn't start this thread to collect merits and you probably know my view about this topic, which slightly changed in this thread because of so many replies from some people that I respect there but I gave you a tiny drop of merits as an appreciation of what you intend to do. That's very good that you have a supply of a few months! Now, let's see the action 
Good luck!

Wow, that's bold. Thanks a lot! And thanks to all the others who merited.
Just for the record, I didn't start this post to ask/beg for merits but just to flag the need for a merit source to the forum admins. But I'll do my best to share the merits I received on my local board. And since I received quite a lot and the activity on the Polish board is not very high, this should be enough for at least a few months.
I can already tell the merit activity this month is already MUCH better than it was in June.

I added more merits, use them wisely on your local board.

I think acting like a merit source in this way is a good test for that community. As a user, you cannot promote someone to be the merit source, but you can give some merits, and then see, how they will distribute them.

Also, it is better, because it requires sacrificing some of your own merits (unless you are a source), and is more resistant to abuse: you gave something you earned by writing good posts, and you gave only a finite amount, and not the ability to merit everything endlessly.

Maybe I was too tough here and probably you are right. Now I know what to do for the next time when I see merit abuse and I believe the ones who have power there, will act fairly and immediately.

Now you have 2 sMerits from me, use it on your local board. I have another 9 sMerits but will keep them for other people, but to be completely honest, this user called o_e_l_e_o just drains my sMerits. I know he has tons of merits and doesn't really need one, is probably the most merited person but this guy is so educated, so helpful and posts so many genuine posts, I just feel guilty if I don't merit him And still, I try not to merit him because wanna save them for other good people too

I do understand where you're coming from but few things to consider:
- Merit history is publicly available, so when you have few people sending all merits between each other that could actually work against them i.e. they could get rejected from signature campaigns if a manager cares to take a closer look.
- This is not unique to local boards and abuse (or in-group preference) could happen outside of local boards.
- Finally, the idea is (or should be) to have every board "covered" by someone who is a merit source, this doesn't mean that local board participants who are sources have to distribute all their sMerits there, they could do it on other boards. Distributable merits are not earmarked.

So it all boils down to whether the right people are chosen as sources and whether their monthly allowance is of the right size. And also to whether campaign managers are doing enough to fight spam/low-quality posts.


Massive thanks (and to others who merited). Much appreciated.

Overtime work in Germany is a joke, you are still getting the same salary, not 50% more like in the USA and to be honest, it's still a questionable whether you get paid for your overtime or not.
Btw there is a thing that I have been thinking about lately: Work in delivery, for example in DHL on fixed contract, like, you get paid for 37.5 hours a week, doesn't matter whether you work more or less, you are getting paid for 37.5 hours a week. If you master car driving and streets where you have to deliver to, then you will finish your job in 5 hours but you are still getting paid for 7.5 hours of work. This way, you are have free 2.5 hour. If you work in tech at the same time, live near the post office and will be quickly at home, then you can work remotely as a freelancer. This way, you get all the benefits, like sick leave, 30 days paid vacation, etc. You can avoid to pay taxes as a freelancer, that's entirely possible but definitely I won't write it down. This combo sounds cool for me but it will be difficult at the same time.

you are 100% correct, I agree with you on this fully, I was living/working in few west European countries and all are the same "...The more you work, the more you earn, the more taxes you pay..." and all what is paid for overtime they collect back in much higher taxes,

better to not do any over hours if one work on a contract somewhere in hourly wage because there is no sense, tax is so high that in the end one will be paid for over hours even less as for regular 8 hours, despite on income check is stated that it was paid with 200% bonus for Sunday for example

so yes i agree "In Europe you pay so much taxes, you can't really collect any wealth" - situation is worse with each year, 20 years back it was different, especially for low-middle class with regular 8 hours jobs


Merit sources are especially necessary in local boards and Polish is the best example of what can happen when they're gone

Just because it happens sometimes, doesn't mean that there should be no local board merit sources at all. After all, local board merit sources rarely constrict themsleves to their own local board, at least from what I have noticed.

 
You should have reported those posts, even though just because you think something is a nonsense, doesn't automatically mean it will be deleted as I (and probably everyone that is active reported) had my share of bad reports even though they were blatant nonsesne shitposts.

I am not exclusively talking about Polish board, nor am I against anyone here. I'm just saying what happens sometimes, some weeks ago I noticed two guys, one from Indonesia and one from Nigeria, had tons of merits compared to their post count, got from local boards and they were posting absolutely nonsense on international boards. Probably it's my mistake that I didn't mark them because at some point I was like, I'll be a bad guy if I report them because they are from poor countries and probably it's their only way to escape.
Also, I had a case when one person replied me in his language and then, a minute later changed it into an English language (probably translated online).

You don't actually need to speak more than English It's pretty funny what you say because I plan to move in English-speaking country to improve my English pronunciation
Btw don't most of you also learn Spanish too?
Slightly off-topic: While one could say that American education system sucks, it's also true that average American earns way more than average European but at the same time spends way more on healthcare than European. I am still thinking whether it's better to live in America compared to west Europe, or not. In Europe you pay so much taxes, you can't really collect any wealth. The more you work, the more you earn, the more taxes you pay.

Thank you for the nomination but even more thank you for creating this thread and taking care of our home, Polish section.
Thanks also for merit rain, I'm sure it'll be enough for a while.

But it seems to me that an even more important issue has been touched upon in passing here, namely the lack of moderation. our current moderator has been doing a great job for years, but he's been gone for 4 months. I hope he's okay and will be back on the forum soon, but until then a temporary replacement would be in order and I think it's even more of a priority than the merit source.

i also thank you for the merit rain. i also immediately took the opportunity to reward a newbie from the polish board for his interesting topics with several merits.

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that's the point and it looks like a few here can't appreciate this privilege - and that's very sad

Thank you mate, this is like merit stimulus for our local board


fingers crossed

In the past we had 2 merit sources if I remember correctly not only @Malevolent but also @Rath_,

both of them spread merits pretty efficiently, unfortunately I haven't seen Rath_ on forum either,

I haven't checked their accounts yet, so maybe I am wrong and  Rath is here, at least occasionally

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just checked and Rath_ wasn't here from long time (1 month) just like Malevolent (4 months already)

Good idea, and I matched your 14 merits and raised you 2 with the hope that OP will spread the paltry 8 sMerits that results from that around the Polish board since I obviously can't.  I don't usually act as a merit source like this, but I get the sense that pawel7777 started this thread with good intentions and isn't going to hoard the merits he got.

Americans, you know.  We only know how to speak English; that's a stereotype, but it's one that's pretty accurate if you're talking about the typical Walmart shopper.  Blame the isolation and the education system here for that, and I'm a good example of a single-language American by the way, so I'm not throwing stones from a glass house.

I gave you and the others 14 merits each. Hope some one gets appointed.

What you mentioned is not actually false, because merit system is being misused in many places.
But we also have to keep in mind that Local boards are also a part of the forum and it's not that Shit posters roam here all the time. There are many good posters also, they spread their own community about Bitcoin and Crypto Currency by providing various information about its update or new technologies, which is a little easy to understand for many peoples.
And since the topic is Merits Sourcehere, I will say that Merits sources are given to those persons who will never abuse merit, because not everyone can be merit source and that's why only 110 people out of 3.57 million users are merit sources. Moreover, DT members are there to give red lights to their hand who abuse merits after getting merit from sources.
And I think there is no crime to join the signature campaign by getting merit and ranking up. Because the signature campaign is given for this reason, selected users are getting money through the signature campaign, and I think money is the best incentive for doing something good.

That's definitely a contrarian viewpoint, and though I certainly understand your point about nationalistic favoritism, the fact is that this forum is a global one and not everyone here speaks English well, if at all.  And though I don't know this for sure, I think most existing merit sources cover one or two languages at most, and English is usually one of them.

Where does that leave members of a board like the Polish one, the members of which might not have a lot of merits to spread around?  Well, it leads to the situation that OP described, a board that has (presumably) a lot of good posts that are going unmerited.  Personally I've always supported local board merit sources, and I think each one should have at least one source on the lookout for good posts.  As far as the national pride thing goes....these are only merits we're talking about, languages a minority of members speak, and if it were my country that had a local board with abysmal merit distribution I'd be asking Theymos to appoint someone to be a merit source for my community. 

Shoot, I'd help out the Polish board if I spoke Polish, but I don't.  Therein lies the problem, no?

What's the purpose of merit if I may ask you? To appreciate helpful contribution if I am correct, right? Judging from your perspective, even if a post is useful to the local board it should not be merited since it's a local board. That's a very weak argument. The merit sources are not that foolish to be meriting every post if they're not merit worthy.

It's true that some people are not fluent in English but that doesn't stop them from contributing massively to their local board with their local board. Having majority of their merit from local board simply means they are more active there. By the way, campaign manager are not always after merit but the quality of your post.

That's an interesting proposal. You are one of the few guys who want to merit local board posts. I don't remember seeing anyone except for fillippone, who intends to review local posts. There is a thread by Loyce to report unmerited good posts. But the limitation is he cannot review local posts as he doesn't understand other local languages! It will be challenging for you to evaluate good posts. But, if you rely on some established members who can review for you and submit the posts, this is great approach.

I wish them good luck if they go for another moderator. We (Croatian local board) lost ours (Lauda) years ago and never got a new one and we are far more active than Polish local board.


But you can clearly see that's not happening in Polish board as they had a measly 0.04 merits per post in June which is equal to Off-Topic merit/post ratio, and we all know what kind of discussions are going on there. Hell, even Announcements (Altcoins) board which is known for spam and shitposts had 2x of their merit post ratio.

This is to assume that every merit source has a scheme to give more merits to their compatriots than to others. Which doesn't make any sense.
I give more merits to the participants of the Portuguese tab, because I spend most of my time there, not just because I speak Portuguese.

In addition, there is no rule or standard on how to distribute merits, so I think it is difficult to define whether a merit is or is not given well.

Therefore, this idea that there is a merit distribution scheme in local tabs does not make any sense.

This is how merit laundering happens: I post a normal or high quality post, then someone gives me 50 merits, so I'm left with 25 smerits, then I send 25 smerits to another compatriot, then he will receive 30 merits from merit source, then he sends me 10 merits and so on. I would say that most of the times, local board members send inadequate volume of merits to their compatriots. Btw it's hard to argue whether person deserves 1 merit, 2 merit or 50 merits because everyone can back it up simply: I felt so.

Managers don't reject shitposters. Sometimes signature campaigns have low pay rate but need to hire a lot of users, then they are unable to hire high quality posters and out of 50 slots, only 30 is filled. What managers do in this case? They simply hire low quality posters because there is no high quality poster left who will agree their payrate but there is a gap to fill.

Until a new merit source is chosen, and if you feel unfair in getting merits in your local board, create a topic in the Reputation or Beginners & Help section with a quote for posts that deserve merits, (make the topic self-moderated to avoid spam) I will bookmark that page and visit it from From time to time, and it will be a best place to choose a merit source in the future.

In general, the process of selecting new merit sources is slow, and I have a surplus of these sMerit, so creating such topic will make it easier for me.

This is an invitation to all other local boards.

If those users have a lot merits and their posts on global boards are like shit, actually there's no problem for me. I mean, I don't care if those users have a lot merits from local board, it's just merit, nothing else. If they use the account to sell merit, ruin the DT system, or anything that harm for the community, this would be an issue.

However most of signature campaigns need to posts in global boards, so if they're shitposters, they should be not in campaign as the managers will reject shitposters.

People should feel more comfortable and communicate better through their mother language than through their second language such as Enlish. In fact, they should communicate better in their local boards with native languagues than in International (global) boards with English.

They don't join local discussions probably because their local boards are dead, inactive or just shit posts and they are not interested in joining low quality discussions. Sometimes they just don't have a local board or local thread.

Did you also see their posting on the local board? I see a lot of good posts on my local board and no spam there. I think a lot of members who communicate on international boards are language barrier. Apart from the quality of the posts, people who take the forum seriously and don't commit fraud also deserve appreciation

Did you know that every time I post in English, I have to use a translation and correct the spelling? That's pretty tough buddy

malevolent is also a moderator for Polish local board so if he/she left the forum, Polish board will need another local moderator.

It is too soon to make a conclusion but let's keep observing actitivities of malevolent. If he left the forum, Polish members will have chance to ask two things: a new moderator and a new merit source.

Different criteria for choosing a local moderator (mainly based on report history and reputation) and a merit source (reputation and post quality).

first, i would also like to thank pawel7777 for nominating me as a merit source on the polish local board.
as wwzsocki has already written, it is very difficult to promote completely new users in their rank, if you can not show a general merit source in the said local board. thus, the number of new users stagnates and only the old-established users of the forum discuss.
in addition, the only merit source on the polish board (malevolent) was last online on 03/18/2023 and has not visited the forum since then...

First thank you for nomination and second I agree with you that we need merit source from long time

it was discussed on our local board few times and we have even requested new merit source officially (as it should) very long time ago but never get any reaction to this from @Theymos so slowly gave up to even try

Fortunately there was always couple of Polish members that posted also on English boards quality content that was rewarded and thanks to them we had some merits to reward newbies and active members for their efforts, to make them willing to come back at least. There are not many active members on our local board and many newbies never come back after they see that it will be almost impossible for them to rank up especially if they don't understand English enough

I myself don't have merits lately (don't post on English boards too often), and if I get some then also try to always save few to reward members on our local board to keep it rolling, when I see/read some quality post that I can't merit then always ask merit source to check it out and reward but this is rarely the case that it happens in the end of course


Merit sources are chosen by admins on request and nomination from local board members, if there is something wrong with how they use their power then such cases should be investigated and MS exchanged if proven that indeed rewarded posts they shouldn't.

we just can't punish all local boards because of that and for sure this is not the case on Polish board, we have plenty of high quality content that should be rewarded and isn't because we don't have merits or active merit source to do it

At least is not all the local board that does such, maybe you might have seen it happening in some other local board and I won't say people from poor countries, is best you specify the country and no country would like to be addressed in that way in as much as I myself respect you opinion. But some how what you're saying about these whole thing getting to destroy the merit system is true. I think that some merit source in some local board are really strict and they don't just give merit to any post just to help out their fellow compatriots in ranking up to join a higher paid campaign, to me I won't want anything to mess things up concerning the merit system as it is, before one has to get a merit he/she has to earn it.

Normally, someone who is a source of merit was evaluated and showed that he was someone with good sense in the distribution of merits.

So, if someone makes great posts on your local board, and gets merits for it, that's fine. Who is to blame for those who give merits, for those who receive low-value posts in English? Where does the merits system fail in this regard? Merit is given not because it is person x or y, but for the posts it makes.

In addition, it is up to campaign managers to assess whether this person makes good or bad posts.
If the person makes more posts in a general way, then he doesn't have much advantage in having many merits, because he won't be able to participate in a campaign.

By the way, merits were not created to participate in campaigns. Managers use this tool to help them choose.

I understand the need for a locale to have a merit source at atleast one and since the one already assigned to the board is not that active anymore, having a request like this is enough to serve a reminder on the need for a merit source on the local board, but in additional to this, you need to understand the need to also encourage for more participations on the local board from members by increasing the board performances in activities, just as you can see from the statistical performance that it's the least on the chart and if they could atleast increase more performance may also trigger more attentions to back up the request.

I can't call decent members to those who use the support of locals on local board to rank up and then post shit posts on international boards in English language.
Am I the only one who sees this tendency? There are a lot of people who post shit posts but have lots of merits, then I check their profiles and 95% of merits come from local boards. This problem really exists, this is a loophole that shitposters use.

Local boards usually have members who prefer to be active only in their own local board and without merit sources it will be very hard for them to ever rank up. Therefore there is nothing wrong with having merit sources that will be focused on their own local board (btw, that doesn't stop them from sharing merit in other parts of the forum as they often do that).

That used to be the case in Croatian local board few years ago when it was almost impossible to rank up if you were mainly active there no matter how quality your posts were. Luckily that changed after we got few merit sources so now quality posts don't go unmerited.


The main idea behind merit system is to stop shitposters ever reaching higher ranks, and not to stop decent members from ranking.

To be honest, I just don't like the idea of giving merits on local boards. I am sorry if I sound like a bad guy but I would say that local boards feel the national pride and duty to help each-other to rank up and give merits to their compatriots.
I think the situation is following: People from poor countries help each-other to rank up to participate in signature campaigns with high payroll. That's probably why I see that person only gets merits from local boards while his/her posts in English language never get rewarded. This isn't fair and probably destroys the main idea of merit system on this forum.
Correct me if I am wrong, I have no problem with that but this is just what I see and notice.

While I do agree that based on merit/post ratio Polish board could use another merit source, that's not really how merit sorce application works.



My suggestion is that you talk among yourslf in Polish board who will submit application, and then support the one you choose.

No idea if/what is the official process for requesting this, but Polish local board could really use another merit source.
To my understanding, we currently have only 1 source (malevolent) who is hardly active on this forum.

The stats say it all (credit to Rikafip), it's the local board with the worst merit/post ratio, despite high quality posts:


So I'd like to nominate any of the most active (and well respected) top 3 posters:
Tytanowy Janusz
wwzsocki
cygan