Topic: [REQUEST] the wall observer thread should be pinned. (Read 898 times)

Not always easy unless you suspect the account and spend an hour or half an hour on checking the post history.

It already created a new ATH but if you are talking about 100k party, then it's soon in the next few weeks, I think.

@Mia Chloe I feel the thread should be closed except maybe there are more to be added. Many have already given their reasons as to why pinning the thread is not really important to is popularity or survival.
Chartbuddy post around 24 post a day, not including the active members there especially in time when we swimming in greens.
About the issue that many talk about the WO like preventing merit from been given there, or closing signature avatars from appearing I still believe that even if all this is applied the thread would still be as busy at it was.
Many Bitcoin enthusiast and holders are active there.

I would have used the opportunity to ask a question about another section in BTT but I don't want it to be off topic.
So might be creating a thread about that soon, This I usually find as a chore.
Do all have  a wonderful Easter in advance with  Easter Bunny sending Green eggs.

Wall Observe is a monumental thread. It is qualified by age and also by engagement. With the availability of a bit in that thread, it's always going to be at the first page and if not at the top of the speculation board. I am of the opinion that WO should just be left the way it is. I have heard many accusations about WO such as;

• It has turned to a merit fishing and sharing thread
• Someone even raised a topic to deactivate signature in WO thread
• I have also read about the emergence of shit posts in the thread

But all these didn't change anything. WO is like a thread in auto pilot, maybe we allow it continue that way

Exactly, WO is always at the top in the speculation board , any users who access the speculation board for the first time , I'm pretty sure that the first thread is gonna she Is the WO. One seeing such number of activity in just one thread would be force to click it and see what it is all about. and the Wall observer thread is full with true lovers of Bitcoin, though I don't often post there but I'm a big fan in reading their post . And anything that have been post there, are one way or the other related to bitcoin . Most they do use ramen to indicate that there's a decrease in price If am not mistaken. And those same users have inspired alot of users when it come to holding their bitcoin, most users may see those post there as shit post, But still to me most of those post are Impacting.

Don't overdo it you old fart.

You cannot go from not doing anything and then all-of-a sudden try to make up for those days that you already lost.

This happens to be a marathon and not a sprint (especially if you are wanting to make it to 93 or whatever might be your target), so if you peter out because you over did it - even on the way to $100k, then you will have no one to blame, except u r lil selfie.

I am saying this in an attempt to help you (if that is even possible?)... not to hurt you.. because I care.. #nohomo

Just did 33 minutes and 20 seconds on the bike. I will do that three times today for 100 minutes on the bike.

I also did 100 rubber band pulls with each arm.

I will also do three planks adding up to 100 seconds today.

Hahaha that's a ton of hope there. If its would  happen that way  I would encourage you so you would do an extra 100 minutes making it 200 minutes in total so that way Bitcoin could hit 200k  I bet Hodlers will rejoice.

Currently I guess Bitcoin won't be hitting a new all time high till after halving. And besides every one is hoping that by halving, it shoots to 100k or even more and from the boosts in price we have seen for a couple of weeks until recently I guess it will.

Anyways I guess it's quite funny how everyone hodling is happy about the halving but miners aren't that much. Imagine receiving half of your initial reward for same amount of cryptographic work. But I guess a price pump would still give them a little pump in value of their rewards.

missed this I changed my mind you are a whining little c word.

I have not been exercising and to be truthful gained some weight plus my slacking off matched the btc price retreat. So I am getting up out of my chair and going on the bike for 33 minutes.

I will shoot for 100 minutes on the bike today hoping that honey badger cares about me and my 100 minutes for 100k

I believe it is easy to distinguish a legitimate newbie from an opportunist.

I have not been in WO in recent time. The reason for newbies were beaten up was the tactics some forum members discovered that in WO earning merit is easy. There were accusations that many members were creating new accounts and posting things that we like and was earning merits [for others these were shitposts though] from it. I hope now there are no lurkers.

Buddy and philip keeping the WO on top (their battle never stops)

so we good

The WO is just a cult classic on its own.

The thing that makes the Wall Observer thread so great is that it is resilient on it's own.  It doesn't need to be pinned like other weak threads that are here today and forgotten tomorrow.  The Wall Observer thread lives on through it's own means.  If you want to help the Wall Observer thread live on in it's infamy for all time you need not worry about pins, you just need to participate along with everyone else.  That's been historically enough to keep it around and I suspect that will do the job going forward as well.

If it's just about pinning, then I would agree that wall observer in the speculation board have indeed earned that in regards to its activity, number of views and comments.

But then, we still will have to consider the forum rules as regards to pinning a thread, like what virasog said in his comment, we still have to consider if there is really any important stuff as regards to the forum or the speculation board in general, the price of bitcoin and it's discussion alone arent as important if you ask me, I believe users don't sleep and wake up on this forum, there are other sources outside this forum very convenient enough in keeping track of bitcoin's price in real time, so regardless of that thread, we all still know what the price of bitcoin is in real time, and can even discuss it on several other boards in other parts of the forum.

So, in the above regard, I do not think that pinning the wall observer thread in the speculation board is that important, good thing is, it has been really active, have continued to stay at the top, and may continue so for a very long time from now, so, there is absolutely no need pinning it.

It is not even close to being the oldest thread on the forum (even though it is surely the longest and I believe has a pretty high ranking in terms of long threads in any forum), and it even had a couple of predecessor threads that were on the same topic, but I think that there was a desire to convert the thread from a regular thread to a self-directed thread since from the perspective of the then owner adamstgBit there had been too much deviation from the topic and trolling, so he created the thread that is currently the WO as a self-directed thread rather than a regular thread.

The thread just took on a life of its own, and in that sense theymos allowed the thread to continue with a kind of "special treatment" status, mostly in terms of playing out as a kind of anything goes thread - even though regular thread participants will get pretty irritated if any members come in there pumping shitcoins, which still does happen from time to time, even though mostly the members tend to be mostly bitcoin maximalism oriented, even though there is no requirement that you have to be a bitcoin maximalist to participate in the thread.. to the extent that any of us like those kinds of labels in the first place..

Several of the regular thread members appreciate new thread participants, even though sometimes we will beat them up a bit if they seem to be coming to the thread in a trolly or shilling kind of a way or maybe seeming to have some other personality problems.. .. yet in the end, even the participation of the active members in that thread has changed over the years. .. some new members get worn out by trying to keep up with the thread, and I think that participation will go up quite a bit during high price movements.. and surely there were some times in which there were 20-30 pages added per day, even during the time that chartbuddy was not active there... so if you think about it, just with chartbuddy, there is slightly more than one page per day, since he has hourly posts - which would be 24 posts per day (when he is not broken down - which is fairly rarely, these days).


Touché    





 what you say is surely possible.  


By the way, I have not seen you in the "planking thread" recently.






You better get your pudgy lil old fat ass over there.. #nohomo hahahahaha


#justsaying if you want to make it to 93+

jjg a whining little cunt is harsh bro 😎 far too harsh.

Which means this isn't something that took a day or weeks to begin and since it has been this way I don't feel there's any need for a reshuffling, from all you said it seems like this thread WO is the oldest thread in this Forum, after passing through series of vote and I don't think we have any thread on the Forum that made members to vote for it (the thread) to stay up till this very moment, much respect should be given to the WO.

Hahahahaha..

Funny you say that.  Chartbuddy was gone from the thread for more than 3 years between about 2017-ish and 2020-ish, and there was a time (right around early 2017) in which Theymos had closed down the thread, and such shut down lasted for a couple of weeks with quite a few upset forum members, and we had to vote for a new thread owner in order to reactivate the thread, and that was when theymos removed the ability to auto-show signatures in that thread.

When I first came to the forum, I rarely posted outside of the WO thread, and so my first post on the forum was on page 5,151 of the WO thread - yet in recent times (especially since 2018), I have come into practice of venturing into other parts of the forum and outside of that thread.


The culture of the WO thread had evolved over time, and more or less, various members of the forum petitioned theymos to reopen the thread because the culture of the WO thread was something that several of the members wanted to keep, and theymos agreed to such retention of the thread - after several of us voted for a new thread owner - and largely the member who won the vote had pledged to leave the thread as it had been with little to no intervention... which likely contributed to his winning the vote of the them interested (or those who voted in that vision) members.


Those were pretty much the same accusations that were attempting to be emphasized in the two threads that I pointed out (linked above), and members do not necessarily agree about the way to resolve merit and/or account farmers or even agree to the extent that there is a problem that should be resolved by curbing the ability to send smerits within the WO thread... as seemed to had been proposed through those two threads.. and of course, several times, I posted in each of those two threads to disagree with the propositions and/or the making of jokes about such propositions (if that might have been a subliminal intention of one of the threads).


So?


He is biased.  He is a little whining cunt, at least on that topic.

hahahhaha

Although, from time to time, nutildah does make some good points about various forum matters or even some bitcoin-related matters, and even seeming to point out some members who came to the forum with bad intentions (pointing out scammers) - yet he was not correct in that particular attempt to impose smerit sending values under some supposed objective smerit sending standards that he seemed to be wanting to impose. .and proposing either restrictions on the WO thread in that direction or to get members to self-police in the ways that he (nutildah) thought would have had been better for the forum blah blah blah...

And, yeah, he has a right to raise those kinds of issues and concerns and to attempt to persuade forum members to vote on the topic that he presented, which he did those things.

Uh, shuck! I didn't mean "wasteful spread of merits" in the way you see it now. I was actually concerned about how that place is a beehive for account farmers and also merit farmers since they see that place as an easy access to boosting their accounts, all they just need to do is give their two cents about Bitcoin price. Like Phillipma pointed out, gifting merits is based on individual choice but I feel some people take advantage of this and exploit it.

What @nutildah raised as a concern in that link may be something to actually take into consideration but probably he didn't go about it the right way, which made it look like he was biased.

These account farmers that distribute merits to there other accounts are the major reason why whenever merit is been given to a member (like 50) some investigation do go on and in the past many have been caught doing so even up till now.
Is hard to fish out those who break the rules and I some how get why some users are saying that the WO thread should be pinned, if that thread was opened by a newbie I believe some actions would have been taken, so let's forget about how things are been done over there, the merit is not something we can take home.
You can't bring merit source into this, because I wouldn't want to get a news about a merit source misusing his or her power (if you know what I mean), shit happens. To me, I think some members feel cheated (I get that feeling too when I first started) when they don't get merit in that thread (WO), they have this feeling that if they post like the other members that merit would fall upon them, no, it doesn't work that way, I'd say we should be consistent in posting things that catches the eyes, with that merit will flow.


Which means you want it to come to an end if so, I really don't see anything big about the WO thread, I just see it as a place of relaxation, like you have to feel free when you're their.
What might happen is they should delete the old post so that it would start counting from page 1 again like refreshing it, not to pin it.

As long as people put merit as a priority instead of making friends, meeting people and participating in the forum, we will always have threads of people complaining about WO and merits here...

Anyway, there will always be someone to complain instead of using that energy and time to interact with people in a genuine way.

you are correct. and that was worth some merits

Congratulations JayJuanGee you are now officially a member with the five digit merit count. I guess I will definitely wait for Your next milestone hmmm I'm probably guessing a binary combo of 11111.

Thanks for the shoot phil 

This was my point exactly in my first reply. For a user to send merits, he definitely must have earned some so he has the right to send it in what ever way as long as he is no breaking any rule like account farming. Except of course you are a merit source and besides most merit sources are nice contributors with nice merit history. I've visited the Wall observer thread a couple of times I I noticed it's not a merit spree thread like most people emphasize it is. However everyone is free to their opinions plus everyone has a different standard to determining a merit worthy post.

My main point like I said before is the Wall observer is such an epic thread on this forum that it deserves to be pinned even if it usually appears at the top.

The WO thread is an outstanding one, so there is no need for it to be pinned, because that is where the old Gs in bitcoin investment do use to encourage themselves to keep on hodli, and to have fun that they are proud to be long term hodlers.

I don't think there is any wasteful spread of merit, because the receiver will appreciate it, and merits add value to a user's account.
Where else do you expect those users that the WO thread is only their area of interest here in the forum to give out their Smerits. This is why merit flow is inevitable on the thread. No matter how shitty a thread is, as long as high reputable, and high knowledgeable members comments on it, some comments will be educative.

Seriously, bro? I bet even if ChartBuddy is disabled, there are actual real users who are keeping it alive and pinned to the top.

To name few philipma1957, JayJuanGee, El duderino_

The way you people go about that thread is like anybody who post there will definitely get merit, it only takes those recognized members to give and get merit over there. That place is for those who matters (like I said before) and pinning it is like stopping the fun of the bigger boys and they can't help but do their thing over there. Let's say getting that thread to be pinned is successful don't you think that they can open another thread and maybe name if WO_Version1.2 and it will stand so whatever goes on there stays there and you can't  kill the fun elders of the Forum are having, after all they're not violating any of the rules, the merit is theirs to give out to whoever.

Thanks for the boost.


Almost like a birthday party.  Thanks.

10001 now, to celebrate 10000 

but I saved your screen as a souvenir.





I don't know what people like to complain about the wall, it's one of the coolest places to stay. The little time I spend there is very interesting mainly because of the knowledge that can be acquired.

nice job JJG 10,000 merits look good on you

did not forget you mia you now have 410

It seems a lot of persons here don't support the idea of pinning based of nice reasons they have mentioned.
The Fact is a topic of that mass must definitely have some off topic discussions and posts but that doesn't make the thread ineligible for merit distribution. Even at that if you look closely you will definitely still find a couple of posts worth meriting.
However though a lot of users have made their points, my reason for the creation of this thread was simply based on the reputation of the Wall observer thread here on Bitcoin talk and not because of merits so let's try to keep the discussions on point with the topic.

Pinned or no pinned merits can't stop flowing there because merits can be given anywhere any place, so pinning doesn't mean that WO will gain more attention because already it's a mega thread with lots of attention given from reputation members here. A lot of people love posting over there because they always get the latest information concerning bitcoin price and so on, somehow if you looked at wo you would see that it gains almost 2 to 3 pages per day and that's show is active thread.

You are probably referring to one or the other of the below two related threads, which should largely help you to figure out for yourself that the mere fact that something is alleged (dramatized and/or whined about) does not cause it to have merit.....

....but hey, whatever, you are free to believe whatever you like.

Request: Disable merits in the Wall Observer thread

Request: Disable JayJuanGee in the Wall Observer thread

I know that merits can be spent anywhere as it pleases the giver but it's kinda concerning the way it's being spread in WO thread. Although I can't find the particular thread, I think a user complained of how merits were thrown around even to posts that weren't deserving in that thread so for me it's pointless pinning it when all these( constant updating by Chartbuddy, excessive merit gifting) make it stand out already.

Well since you've pointed out the obvious, I'd rest my case.

merits can be spent anywhere which is why I gave you 3 and gave the milfster 4

There used to be some exchanges that has a "troll box" in which members could live chat, such as BTC-e, and so I mostly was labelling the WO thread as a "troll box" in that kind of a sentiment... just to say the thread could be considered as a place where almost anything goes, except active members in that thread do not tend to be very tolerant of pumping shitcoins in that thread, but if you participate in the thread for a while, there will be deviations into topics (that are not really directly related to bitcoin price tracking) that might go on for days and days or even weeks or months..

I personally tend to prefer to stay mostly on topic of the thread, but I am not innocent of my own sometimes deviations from the thread topic.. and maybe even exaggerating a bit more than necessary.. especially in that thread.... and yeah, sometimes current events might ONLY be tangentially related to bitcoin price movements, yet they can also sometimes end up having some relation to bitcoin's price movements, since nearly everything is likely somehow related to bitcoin in one way or another... even as a bit of a stretch, shitcoins.. hahahahahaha


I was going to say something.. but then I decided to restrain my lil selfie.. .... but you make a very deep and profound point, vapourminer. #justsaying

no

It really doesn't need or deserved to be pinned. It's only the most popular because it's auto-posted in multiple times a day by ChartBuddy, and given that fact it's usually always at the top anyway.

I think someone who would consider you a troll or having to participate in any troll box should try matching your quality or bringing much insights as I see you do in several arguments the much I’ve had to read from you anyways. You often come with volume and postulates that speaks facts with logical conclusion to each statement.

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With that being said, though I’ve only been seeing that topic of recent, I must say, it’s got a lot of activities on it and there is always constant price update. The community definitely need such function since we really concerns ourselves with what is Bitcoin doing. Maybe they don’t get to update the whole topic as some of the informations it Carrie’s would not be relevant in the form of being directly instructive. This is the idea I find the few pinned post I’ve read to be about but, I think it would be a plus to the community to have a price update on the home page of the forum, just like a digital clock.

 It's not necessary. You pointed out that it gains enough attention already so pinning it would seem as if you want it to get extra attention more than Chartbuddy is making it get. The question one should ask is if this is done, although it's a suggestion from you, will it stop the somewhat wasteful spread of merits there?.

Probably some of us consider the WO thread as the troll box of the forum.. or the forum's main chat thread....and maybe some forum members don't know that?    Even though a newbie might get beaten up verbally if joining the WO thread as a beginner, no one can really stop anyone from posting there about any topic, even though you will likely get beaten up if you try to pump shitcoins in that thread...

I think that it is good if newbies come into the thread, especially if they have actual ideas that they are able to back up and to comment upon current happenings in bitcoinlandia..

This is the likes of what  I actually meant before I created this thread. We on this forum all know that the wall observer is an epic thread which also servers as a discussion thread for some our biggest whales and hodlers on this forum. Of course I agree to the fact that it has always found its way to the top of the speculation board based on frequent discussions and the chart buddy bot.

Let's not forget the fact that you can use a Few sort buttons on the board which would make the wall observer thread seem not to be on the board. However if it is pinned no matter the kind of sort used on the board it will still remain at the top.

One can suggest to add it on the News section of the forum but on the Speculation sub-board the topic is always between 1 to 5 of the list. Unofficially it's pinned as a few others already wrote.

Adding it on the News section may attract new users to discover the thread and join the discussions.

True, it's not needed to pin that thread because Chartbuddy posts 24 times per day which's more than enough to bring a thread on top. OP just posted this thread as a request to pin the wall observer and I guess he has got enough good answers on the thread. I suggest OP to lock this thread because you got your answers.

I also think the same although I hardly post over there but at most times I do see it at top meaning pinning any post at the top shows that the topic or thread is carrying some specific rules and guideline people should follow in other word pinning that thread might not be that necessary if I say may say since is always active.

Why would the WO thread need to be pinned when there is Chartbuddy, one of the only bots on the forum, constantly pushing it to the top of the board every hour?

I guess Hueristic answer is the way to do that. Thanks to him, I have also went to my watchlist and removed all of the threads from the watchlist. For me watchlist was put on auto mode whenever I reply to a thread it was automatically added to my watchlist. Now, I have changed the settings and no more that auto-watchlist will cause troubles for me. Thanks Hueristic for the helpful answer.

Use this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=watchlist

While I visit the speculation thread only to access the wall observer thread. 

In my point of view, there is no need to PIN the Wall Observer thread in the speculation board but I would be happy if the link to that thread is also available somewhere on the main page too. For example, the link to that thread may be posted near the "News" on top of the page. This way, anyone can access it directly without going into the speculation section first.

Agree with this mate cause we are all know that wall observer is one of the most reply Threads here in our community. And everyday or even hour there's a user who posted that thread which means that thread is always in the top of speculation. And also pinned topics are those topics who are very important on that board's such us the rules and regulations the guidelines etc. while the wall observer thread is for those some important conversations and a price update baby chartbuddy.  So I think it's not suits to become a pinned thread or topic.

no

anyone who knows anything about the forum will find it. and its not for beginners although they are welcome.

There are a lot of accounts that consider the wall observer thread to be BTT, and they rarely post outside that thread, so I don't think they notice that the topic is on the first or last page, and even new members who join the discussions have the opportunity to post their ideas in other topics.

Whenever, I visit the speculation board I find the one and only wall observer thread on top of that board. However, if an admin or a moderator pin that thread then it won't be a bad thing at all. I personally don't think there is need to pin that thread because it's very active and users who are part of that thread will always keep it on top no matter if it's pinned or not.

In Speculation board, it appears at top because of many posts make by Wall Observer citizens. It does not need to be pinned.

Wall Observer thread is a mixture of good and bad posts, insightful and shit posts that make me feel it can not be pinned.

Pinned threads are for important, insightful information without or very little confusing information.

Chart buddy does keep it near the top. Lots of others post.

I would think it gets over 100 posts a day.

I agree with virasog. First, it is always on top, because of the traffic it has and the ChartBuddy updates. And second it is a fun thread and part of the history of the forum but lacks essential information. Tu pin a thread that usually contains jokes, memes, and a lot of off topic replies I don't see it.

Well, you will usually find the Wall Observer thread on the top of the speculation sections always regardless of it is pin or not. The reason is that it is one of those threads that is most active not only in the Speculation section but in the overall bitcointalk forum. Usually, pining  threads have some important message for that particular board and i do not think Wall Observer should be pinned as it is basically for the bitcoin price movement tracking and discussions.

Undoubtedly the wall observer thread is the most replied thread in the whole of this forum. Upon it's age, it has remained as the top topic in the speculation board. The wall observer is an epic thread with over 662,700 replies and 26,324,200 views and still counting. Some may argue that other topics still have whooping numbers in terms of engagement close to that of the Wall observer thread but the truth is the numbers don't come close.

Aside from the above stated, the wall observer drives one of the key aims of Bitcoin investors ( HODLING).
Over the the years , it has also been a source of constant and consistent updates on Bitcoin price courtesy Chartbuddy.
I my opinion such topic should be pinned in the board as it obviously has earned it.

Pinning the wall observer thread will Also serve as a way for new comers in the forum be able track Bitcoin price and follow relating discussions on this forum.