Topic: Reversing privatization of important institutions? (Read 859 times)

Yeah , I'll give you an idea about privatization.

10 years ago our Petrol company was doing 2 billions of debts annually , there were like 100 oil thefts each year from the pipes (insiders), gasoline was being sold by the road in each village the pipes passed , each ruling party was nominating idiots after idiots in key places with high wages.

Now , after privatization there are no more thefts , the company has turned into the biggest tax contributor and much more.

And for hospitals....
I would rather kill myself right on the spot that being treated in a state hospital here than in a private one.
Not that would change my fate too much.

I thought you would understand that my thoughts were in what I posted. A person never reveals all his thoughts. Even if he wanted to, he couldn't, because there are too many.

Drug legality is this. Let people do what they want. But, inform them of what the results will probably be. Inform them in a strong, emphatic way. Then, if they want to go out and hurt themselves, it's their life. Don't take their freedom away from them. If they harm someone else, however, make them pay. In other words, don't legalize drugs. Simply keep from making them illegal. Keep life simple. Apply this idea to traffic laws, and almost all laws. Actually, the links I provided show how anybody can apply this idea to all laws and government right now.

I'm sorry but I can't even consider the arguments of a person who believes there are angels living in our sun, to me your brain is all kinds of messed up and all of your other views have been affected. Before even bothering to check your links, why not respond to my statements directly?  What are YOUR thoughts on drug legality, harm to others, and more, not the thoughts of people you are sourcing.

First, the links in my post are where you would go to check out your freedom.

What it is about is, the USA is a common law of the people land. But you have to assert it through the courts (not all the time; sometimes letter writing will work). In order to assert, you need to know about it. Ninety-nine percent+ of the people don't understand about common law. That's why I provided the links.

The thing about the links is, they are really neat things. You can look at them, and admire their beauty. Notice that they all start with "http://." So artistic. But they won't do anyone a heck of a lot of good if people just admire their form rather than clicking them and figuring our what is going on inside the sites.

Here's another couple. Nobody's going to force you to study a little.
http://voidjudgments.com/
http://educationcenter2000.com/Trinsey-v-Paglario.htm

Slow down a little when you read these, unless you are used to looking at law and thinking about it.

BADecker my head started hurting before I even started reading your post, given our past arguments I figured this would be a bunch of nonsense.

Mostly though I'd like to talk about one point of yours, this one:


There is hardly complete freedom, and that is completely objective, not subjective as you stated (ie in your mind).

Let's start with drugs, pot is illegal, cigarettes are not.  I am not a pot smoker, never have and never will, but I believe in it's legalization, because it does not break any of these three.  If you say it has to do with harming yourself, then look at cigarettes, alcohol, prescription and non-prescription drugs, knives, ropes, and any other substance that can be used to abuse and hurt yourself.  All of those items can harm you greatly, or even others, but they are legal while pot is known to be harmless and even beneficial, but it's outlawed due to the monetary interests of the paper corporations. Pot accounts for over half of all drug arrests, and a huge percentage of people who are in jail are there for drug related offenses.

Source: https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/marijuana-arrests-numbers

If we are truly free, then why are people placed in jail for doing something that doesn't break any of the three fundamentals you listed? The only way you can wiggle yourself out of this one in my opinion, is to state that even people in jail are free in their mind.  Which is a silly statement for anyone to make.

2. Damage the property of no one else? You state that corporations lose when they damage the property of others, but this is only in a very direct sense.  Consider the harm corporations have done to the environment (everyone's property) and the harm they do to people through pollution/fracking/toxic waste mismanagement.  What happens when on occasion a corporation gets called out on these misdeeds? A fine, a fine which goes to the government, not to the people they have harmed.  Often times, the fines are so low in comparision to their profits, that it makes more fiscal sense to take the fine, then to handle the disposals of the waste the proper way (which costs more than the fine.)

I feel like you must live in some sort of fairy land, where the walls are made of chocolate and the flowers are peanut butter cups.  Your world view seems a little off to me buddy.

Reversing privatization is not the only answer. Cleaning up the mess is a better idea. Privatization with a membership, one that doesn't go outside the membership, might be a better idea.

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The most important thing one needs to discover is that corporations and governments never do anything. Governments and corporations are "states." They are states of mind that are written down on paper. Paper with ink on it doesn't jump up and do anything. The only thing that the paper does is stabilize in the minds and memories of people, some ideas, goals, organization, etc., that certain of the people thought up for themselves. NOW GET THIS: paper doesn't do anything; only people do things.

The second important thing to know and remember is that the government of the USA, Britain, and Canada, first and foremost, are based on the common law of the people. This common law is not statute common low - the massed judgments of all the court cases. Rather, it is the common law of private property for PEOPLE, HUMAN BEINGS. The common law of the people has 3 major parts upon which the whole nation resides (although people have forgotten this; these 3 have a lot more to them than the simplicity listed below):
1. Harm nobody;
2. Damage the property of no one else;
3. Fulfill the terms of all your contracts.
This is it. This is what the whole country is based on. It's listed in the constitutions and amendments. There is complete freedom regarding anything one can do as long as he doesn't break the 3. If you don't believe that there is complete freedom, it's because you used your freedom to limit your freedom, STARTING IN YOUR MIND.

The third important thing to realize is that all corporations are built to serve people. People are above the corporations, even the corporation of government. When a corporation harms a human being, in litigation, if the man/woman stands as a human being, the corporation loses, as long as the 3 points of the previous paragraph are not broken. Check out the below links in detail, and you will see.

http://www.myprivateaudio.com/Karl-Lentz.html

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw

http://www.youtube.com/user/765736/videos?view=0&live_view=500&flow=grid&sort=da

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A private trust is a contract between two or more people that defines the ways that one person (group) is going to handle the property of another person (group) to achieve a certain goal. As long as there is no breaking of the above 3 common law rules, this trust trumps government and other corporations. Also, if it remains out of the realm of government and the public, it is a private trust rather than a public trust.

Essentially, in the USA, the parties (trustees, managers, executors, etc.) to a private trust, as long as they do not involve the public in trust operations in any way, are like a government to themselves. They can limit their own rights by the contract of trust, theoretically right down to the point of binding themselves over to execution for breach of trust contract. As long as the terms of the trust remain private and inviolate, this trust can own property, coin money among its members, hold its own centers of education for its people, even have its own military. But it better be written well. If you do something like this, put a lot of thought into it. If you are going to form your own nation within the USA, Canada or Britain, get many advisers to help you design the terms of the trust.

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If you haven't heard of this stuff before, and if it sounds interesting, get studying and formulating. We don't have to be under the thumb of the bankers and the government. Why? Because they are simply people like we are. And the basis of all that they do is in corporate law which is less powerful, legally, than private trust law, and way less powerful than the common law of the people.

It's downright terrifying.  I had no idea the NHS was starting to become privatized over there, what aspects of the services have gone downhill so far?

I feel bitcoin is a good start to fighting this, but my main idea involves taking money out of politics.  Some sort of election where the people elected live on barely livable wages in shit houses with no perks to the job.  That way the only people who would go in for it would be people who truly want to make the world better.  I can't imagine how to ever make this come about, but a man can dream :/

The US government is controlled by corporate interests. I feel sorry for you, buddy. Here in the UK we are now starting to experience the same thing. All our railways were privatized in the 80s and now our most treasured asset, the NHS, is being privatized. And as for ideas as to what we can do, I say we try to awaken as many people as possible (although it will be difficult) and look for alternatives to the current system.

Fellow bitcoiners, how could we stop the privatizations or reverse them of the following?

This is mainly about the USA but could be applied to other countries with similar problems

1. Hospitals/Healthcare

2. Prisons

3. Water

All of these are being increasingly held by private corporations which brings worse and worse care for the people which it is supposed to govern.  99% of people in the US are one illness away from being completely homeless.  Prisoners are being served food filled with maggots and mold, prisons are used to punish/profit and not rehabilitate. Water is being stolen from many people by the nestle corporation and others to be sold back to themselves. Nestle pays under $10 for $5000 worth of water, taking it from Maine and selling it back to Maine/New York/The whole country.

Ideas?