Topic: Revised — Incentivizing moderation reports with millimerits (Read 536 times)
Actually more community participation means healthy community, unbiased moderation. If more people report with atleast 80% accuracy. Meaning people are the real moderators and the staff just execute.
From my personal experience, I can say that this is not true and that the majority of reported posts are mostly resolved very quickly, in 2-3 days at the most. It is true that at one point there was a problem with users who were reported for plagiarism, but all those who actively deal with reports know that this is no longer the case. Plagiarism and ban evasion reports are not as easy to process as spam, because each requires a serious approach and more time.
I am not a spam or scam hunter, so I don't know how much has changed and how things look like now. I just remember seeing complaints and threads where several users talked about how nothing was being done. I am glad things are looking better now. Simple things like reporting spam, multiposts, links to dubious software, bumping long-forgotten and dead threads are being handled quickly in my experience as well. More serious reports are not exactly my specialty.
It encourages people to report just for the sake of reporting, which doesn't sound nifty; and that part with -100, that's too harsh. Maybe there are not that many posts reported because a lack in the number of the active users?! Don't like it at all, sorry this is my feedback
I (really) don't mind getting negative feedback when I'm just sharing ideas, don't worry. 
I do, however, get a little irritated at feedback that reads like you only managed to get through 1/3 of the OP.
I get that not many people want to read a huge wall of text, but please consider that the value of your feedback is unavoidably correlated with how much of the OP you managed to get through before giving up.
For the benefit of anyone else that can't face reading the whole thing: Reporter badges > Revised proposal > Original proposal (IMO).
I still think the revised proposal has some value (I think it contains ideas that could be repurposed to help mitigate some of the things that likely worried theymos about reporter badges).
It is not just much text, it takes 2 minutes to read it, where is the point entering a topic if you don't read it. And I have read all the other replies as well. Still keeping my feedback and from my point of view it was on point. I gave my feedback on what I did/didn't like from the origina/revised proposal and I don't like both of them anyway, just to be clear! It promotes signature shit posters with 10 lines replies talking about nonsense or everyone just repeating same things over and over again.
It encourages people to report just for the sake of reporting, which doesn't sound nifty; and that part with -100, that's too harsh. Maybe there are not that many posts reported because a lack in the number of the active users?! Don't like it at all, sorry this is my feedback
I (really) don't mind getting negative feedback when I'm just sharing ideas, don't worry. I do, however, get a little irritated at feedback that reads like you only managed to get through 1/3 of the OP.
I get that not many people want to read a huge wall of text, but please consider that the value of your feedback is unavoidably correlated with how much of the OP you managed to get through before giving up.
For the benefit of anyone else that can't face reading the whole thing: Reporter badges > Revised proposal > Original proposal (IMO).
I still think the revised proposal has some value (I think it contains ideas that could be repurposed to help mitigate some of the things that likely worried theymos about reporter badges).
It encourages people to report just for the sake of reporting, which doesn't sound nifty; and that part with -100, that's too harsh. Maybe there are not that many posts reported because a lack in the number of the active users?! Don't like it at all, sorry this is my feedback
There are a few reasons why people aren't reporting as much as they used to.
The forum culture in general is dying. Not just on Bitcointalk. The new generations don't like forums. They are bored by them. They prefer quicker means of communication, which takes place on social media. Twitter, Discord, and Telegram. The channels and groups on those platforms have hundreds of thousands of users who have probably never registered an account on this forum.
The other reason why people are reporting less is because many are noticing that their reports aren't being handled. This is especially true for reports of plagiarism and ban evasion. But there are other examples as well. Not that long ago there was a thread where someone complained about mods not addressing reports in the Wall Observer topic at all. If I was a reporter/investigator who finds cases of copy/pasting and ban evading, and I gather and present all the evidence in a topic only to be ignored by the admins and realize that nothing is happening, why would I continue wasting my time like that? No, thank you. Do it yourself then, or don't do it.
Sometimes the silence of the admins can also be off-putting. How many years have we been talking about reported badges and a forum welcome message and nothing has happened yet.
The forum culture in general is dying. Not just on Bitcointalk. The new generations don't like forums. They are bored by them. They prefer quicker means of communication, which takes place on social media. Twitter, Discord, and Telegram. The channels and groups on those platforms have hundreds of thousands of users who have probably never registered an account on this forum.
The other reason why people are reporting less is because many are noticing that their reports aren't being handled. This is especially true for reports of plagiarism and ban evasion. But there are other examples as well. Not that long ago there was a thread where someone complained about mods not addressing reports in the Wall Observer topic at all. If I was a reporter/investigator who finds cases of copy/pasting and ban evading, and I gather and present all the evidence in a topic only to be ignored by the admins and realize that nothing is happening, why would I continue wasting my time like that? No, thank you. Do it yourself then, or don't do it.
Sometimes the silence of the admins can also be off-putting. How many years have we been talking about reported badges and a forum welcome message and nothing has happened yet.
Honestly speaking, it's the trend.
As long as the discussion space is robust and dynamic, the place will continue to thrive. Tech, fashion, food, shitposts, humor, all in one place. Meanwhile Bitcointalk is more limited along with own terms and enforcements by the elders.
even a simple thank you would be enough incentive for many, so it is not clear to me why the admin did not publish the top reporters statistics for last year.
Big massive thank you to all the reporters . I've messaged a few users thanking them of their efforts, in fact I distinctively remember cyrus doing the same thing back when I was reporting. So, I know that it helps, and maybe we should keep that in mind. It's as simple as this though; this forum wouldn't be half as enjoyable without the dedicated reporters. I'm not saying that I expect them to report, because I don't expect anyone to do it, as correctly pointed out by many, and in the past it's a largely a thankless task which takes a lot of time. However, we moderators get to see the hard work put in behind the scenes by some users, and it's greatly appreciated, more than we probably show.
There are a few reasons why people aren't reporting as much as they used to.
The forum culture in general is dying. Not just on Bitcointalk. The new generations don't like forums. They are bored by them. They prefer quicker means of communication, which takes place on social media. Twitter, Discord, and Telegram. The channels and groups on those platforms have hundreds of thousands of users who have probably never registered an account on this forum.
The forum culture in general is dying. Not just on Bitcointalk. The new generations don't like forums. They are bored by them. They prefer quicker means of communication, which takes place on social media. Twitter, Discord, and Telegram. The channels and groups on those platforms have hundreds of thousands of users who have probably never registered an account on this forum.
I think that this does not affect the current state of the number of reports on this forum, because there is quite a sufficient number of active members who could, with a little more activity, very easily increase the number of reports x5 or even x10 if they wanted to. Let's take the example of active members only in the Senior, Hero, and Legendary ranks, of which there were about 1000 active members in the last 7 days, and let's say that each makes only 5 reports per day, which brings us to 35 000 posts per week.
The other reason why people are reporting less is because many are noticing that their reports aren't being handled. This is especially true for reports of plagiarism and ban evasion. But there are other examples as well. Not that long ago there was a thread where someone complained about mods not addressing reports in the Wall Observer topic at all. If I was a reporter/investigator who finds cases of copy/pasting and ban evading, and I gather and present all the evidence in a topic only to be ignored by the admins and realize that nothing is happening, why would I continue wasting my time like that? No, thank you. Do it yourself then, or don't do it.
From my personal experience, I can say that this is not true and that the majority of reported posts are mostly resolved very quickly, in 2-3 days at the most. It is true that at one point there was a problem with users who were reported for plagiarism, but all those who actively deal with reports know that this is no longer the case. Plagiarism and ban evasion reports are not as easy to process as spam, because each requires a serious approach and more time.
I agree that a little more initiative on the part of the forum should be directed in this direction, especially in the assignment of moderators for all boards where there are currently none. In addition to all the other reasons we discussed in another thread, it is certainly part of the reason why some members do not contribute in this way anymore - because they think it is a waste of time - and I once wrote that even a simple thank you would be enough incentive for many, so it is not clear to me why the admin did not publish the top reporters statistics for last year.
There are a few reasons why people aren't reporting as much as they used to.
The forum culture in general is dying. Not just on Bitcointalk. The new generations don't like forums. They are bored by them. They prefer quicker means of communication, which takes place on social media. Twitter, Discord, and Telegram. The channels and groups on those platforms have hundreds of thousands of users who have probably never registered an account on this forum.
The other reason why people are reporting less is because many are noticing that their reports aren't being handled. This is especially true for reports of plagiarism and ban evasion. But there are other examples as well. Not that long ago there was a thread where someone complained about mods not addressing reports in the Wall Observer topic at all. If I was a reporter/investigator who finds cases of copy/pasting and ban evading, and I gather and present all the evidence in a topic only to be ignored by the admins and realize that nothing is happening, why would I continue wasting my time like that? No, thank you. Do it yourself then, or don't do it.
Sometimes the silence of the admins can also be off-putting. How many years have we been talking about reported badges and a forum welcome message and nothing has happened yet.
The forum culture in general is dying. Not just on Bitcointalk. The new generations don't like forums. They are bored by them. They prefer quicker means of communication, which takes place on social media. Twitter, Discord, and Telegram. The channels and groups on those platforms have hundreds of thousands of users who have probably never registered an account on this forum.
The other reason why people are reporting less is because many are noticing that their reports aren't being handled. This is especially true for reports of plagiarism and ban evasion. But there are other examples as well. Not that long ago there was a thread where someone complained about mods not addressing reports in the Wall Observer topic at all. If I was a reporter/investigator who finds cases of copy/pasting and ban evading, and I gather and present all the evidence in a topic only to be ignored by the admins and realize that nothing is happening, why would I continue wasting my time like that? No, thank you. Do it yourself then, or don't do it.
Sometimes the silence of the admins can also be off-putting. How many years have we been talking about reported badges and a forum welcome message and nothing has happened yet.
Wherever can get quick merit, there will always be cheaters.
But as far as reports are concerned, it's just a matter of how long does it take to submit a report to the moderators? If someone carefully reads the posts or the whole topic, then low-quality posts or other violations of the rules will be visible. It takes seconds to file a violation report, the one who does not, shows that either he does not read other posts, or all posts look normal to him.
For example, a big post from a beginner, who just yesterday said that he knows nothing, and today he is already teaching lessons, hints to double-check it once again.
For those who report this, it is comparable to the cleanliness of their home, and I do not think that motivating someone with additional merit will be a reason for others to feel the same way, but only to create additional work for the moderators.
If we have bounty hunters, then there will be spam merit hunters.
But as far as reports are concerned, it's just a matter of how long does it take to submit a report to the moderators? If someone carefully reads the posts or the whole topic, then low-quality posts or other violations of the rules will be visible. It takes seconds to file a violation report, the one who does not, shows that either he does not read other posts, or all posts look normal to him.
For example, a big post from a beginner, who just yesterday said that he knows nothing, and today he is already teaching lessons, hints to double-check it once again.
For those who report this, it is comparable to the cleanliness of their home, and I do not think that motivating someone with additional merit will be a reason for others to feel the same way, but only to create additional work for the moderators.
If we have bounty hunters, then there will be spam merit hunters.
Get rid of the -100 penalty for a bad report, but instead of the 25 millimerits for a good report being sent automatically, leave it up to the individual moderator's discretion. That way, the mods can spot abuse themselves; if someone spams them with mostly inaccurate reports or if reports seem suspiciously like collusion (e.g. someone keeps reporting new posts from the same user over and over again) then they can decline to issue any millimerits. Maybe the rule could be that when reporting a post, the moderator that handles it has the option of sending you between 0 and 1000 millimerits depending on how useful/valuable your report was. Then (just making up numbers) original reports can get ~60 and redundant (but still good) reports can get ~20, really valuable reports like malware can get ~300, and so on (some moderators would likely be more generous than others).
As a Merit source, I don't have the time to send all of them individually (as in: 1000 millimerits at a time). I think asking Mods to manually send smaller amounts is a waste of their time. 
This has been discussed before, not with the same suggestion for millimerits but the idea for rewarding the reports with merit.
Then merit farming will be quite easy. All we know we have issues with the bots. Imagine if I create 5 spamming account bots and 1 reporting account bot then I will be farming merit in no time.
The only solution is the reward to be something you cannot sell/buy and worth nothing but some kind of respect. Which brings back the question when those badges will be implemented?
Then merit farming will be quite easy. All we know we have issues with the bots. Imagine if I create 5 spamming account bots and 1 reporting account bot then I will be farming merit in no time.
The only solution is the reward to be something you cannot sell/buy and worth nothing but some kind of respect. Which brings back the question when those badges will be implemented?
I've updated the initial post with some revisions, and a thought about reporter badges.
About the reporter badge, it was proposed by theymos even asked for the reporter badge image[1] and yet it wasn't implemented. Well, it's been already 4 years and counting. This is also the reason the surge[2] of reporters seeking this badge [1] Seeking reporter badge images
[2] Reporter Statistics
Thanks for your feedback, everyone. 
I've updated the initial post with some revisions, and a thought about reporter badges.
I've updated the initial post with some revisions, and a thought about reporter badges.
The whole idea of merit is to reward a good quality post. I don't think we should confuse it with a reporter's reporting status.
So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
The balance can (maybe, not sure) go negative, so you would have to "work off" each of your bad reports to get back above zero and each time you accumulate 1000 millimerits (40 good reports) the balance gets reset and you're awarded one real merit.
In my case with or without merit, If I had seen some shitty posts that added to ruin things that I read to a certain topic then I will report that post. Most of the time those post like cursing, disrespectful posts, and other offensive posts especially that is all against the forum unofficial rules and regulation. The balance can (maybe, not sure) go negative, so you would have to "work off" each of your bad reports to get back above zero and each time you accumulate 1000 millimerits (40 good reports) the balance gets reset and you're awarded one real merit.
There's less spam (and much less posts in general). In the past week, 35,000 posts were made. 4 years ago, there were 350,000 posts per week (that's 10 times more). (I corrected this data)
Wow, that's a dramatic difference. Were there more bounties/sig campaigns available then, or was it just that the market was much more bullish then than now?Quote
But what happens the next time crypto heats up and bitcointalk once again starts attracting all of the illiterate spammers who want to enroll as many alts as possible into bounties?
They'll still hit the same signature limits, so they can only spam the bounty boards for made-up tokens. I'd say let them, as long as the forum doesn't close that board. 
There's less spam (and much less posts in general). In the past week, 35,000 posts were made. 4 years ago, there were 280,000 posts per week (that's 8 times more).
Wow, that's a dramatic difference. Were there more bounties/sig campaigns available then, or was it just that the market was much more bullish then than now?It's been a long time since I've actually read through threads in sections like Bitcoin Discussion (which has been a magnet for shitposters ever since I've been a member), but I can totally see how low-value posts could have dropped in the past few years; there don't seem to be as many in sections like Economics and Meta, and it's likely a forum-wide phenomenon.
But what happens the next time crypto heats up and bitcointalk once again starts attracting all of the illiterate spammers who want to enroll as many alts as possible into bounties? We'll probably exceed 280k posts/week and you better believe at least 80% of them are going to be complete crapola. I like OP's suggestion, but I doubt the boss is going to go for it.
Maybe OP can do the heavy lifting for theymos to implement the reporter badges? That would be really cool.
I imagine the report padding strategies that theymos alludes too would be difficult to solve. Although, I don't think the consequences of users doing that is too bad. After all, it's a cosmetic thing. I personally don't see too many users creating alternate accounts, just to report their own posts. I feel like that would be too time consuming for a cosmetic benefit, although I might be putting a little too much faith into that if I'm being honest. Even so, I don't think we'll be able to stop users from doing that, not easily.
So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
The idea to appreciate good reports with millimerits sounds okay although I'm not sure if this is an effective way to encourage people's awareness. I am a bit worried that there are some people who are inspired to report posts excessively. It may trigger an uncomfortable atmosphere between us if some people target to report as many as possible in a month, to get 25 millimerits. At the end of the day, we may have an increase in the number (quantity) of reports but probably to decrease in the quality of reports.Anyway, why bad reports should get -100?
It is like you don't respect people who try to give positive contributions to the forum.
If they don't make good reports, why don't just ignore the reports and no millimerits?
So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
I don't think that more merits will motivate old users who are reporting less, but millimerits could actually work for new members who are trying to rank up.Instead of buying or begging for merits they could finally make some positive forum contribution and earn merits this way.
Now for this to work I think that millimerits should not be hidden, and it should be thought carefully before implementing this change.
This proposal touches code that I don't have access to, so I'm unable to provide a patch like I normally would, but it's a nice idea and I thought it would be worth sharing.
You need approval of theymos for this, but chances are higher if moderators support your proposal.Down side is that they will have more work, and not everyone is like Welsh
Maybe OP can do the heavy lifting for theymos to implement the reporter badges? That would be really cool.
I support this also. 
The idea of a negation and having to work it out is what doenat seat qell will me as, those who don't do any form of reporting or remains neutral to the activity have got nothing to be disturbed about as per working out. Not having it otherwise place either we have people trying there hands on reporting whatever posts just for the sake of earning millimerits as you've termed it.
Left for me, I'll prefer it wait at the pace we've got it. Peehaps people just stopped reporting or maybe we've got some better posters these days. The way of shame and the spam post threads is enough to make users sort out for some ways to be constructive on there posts.
Left for me, I'll prefer it wait at the pace we've got it. Peehaps people just stopped reporting or maybe we've got some better posters these days. The way of shame and the spam post threads is enough to make users sort out for some ways to be constructive on there posts.
Reporting has reduced, but it's a combination of reasons. As pointed out above, one of them is simply activity, and therefore the amount of spam being posted. However, I do think reporting badges was probably the best idea, since it doesn't really encourage farming etc, and is more gimmicky, however some users will be extremely motivated for those gimmicky icons on their profile.
I'm still hopeful that they get implemented at some point.
I'm still hopeful that they get implemented at some point.
Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
I'm not going to think of every downside (most have been mentioned already). I think one significant downside is that there will be abusers. User A will create alt accounts B and C, and have those spamming while he gets to report them accurately. He can do that repeatedly, and gain sMerits without doing a single post. Then, he can spend these sMerits to alt accounts D and E.The forum is fine. No need to make it work more complexly. But good attempt.
This seems to be the prevailing wisdom. Maybe an overhaul to the reporting system could include badges and merits. I don’t really see millimerits being much incentive. It wouldn’t change my reporting behavior at all. A reporter badge would likely be more effective there. I just don’t see merits being a very good reward. Other than fun, I don’t think they serve much of a purpose.
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This kind of proposal isn't new if I'm correct but it will also create a lot of more work. There will be new airdropped merit every time someone gets the millimerit. That means merit calculation will be different. Now, once someone reaches 1000 millimerits, they will get 1 merit and millimerit will be vanished. Will the record be there forever or until millimerit het reset.
If we keep altcoin section apart, I think there are a lot of people reporting the shit posts everyday. The number of the report is lower and the reason is pointed by LoyceV.
However, like adding badges to the profile, there are a lot of option to grow. I think having a detailed thread on which post should be reported or which isn't, would help people more to report. I'm talking about the standard of moderation. Sometimes, I feel bad when I see my reported post hasn't been deleted. It happens so many times when I have reported a post as off topic. What does off topic mean?
If we keep altcoin section apart, I think there are a lot of people reporting the shit posts everyday. The number of the report is lower and the reason is pointed by LoyceV.
However, like adding badges to the profile, there are a lot of option to grow. I think having a detailed thread on which post should be reported or which isn't, would help people more to report. I'm talking about the standard of moderation. Sometimes, I feel bad when I see my reported post hasn't been deleted. It happens so many times when I have reported a post as off topic. What does off topic mean?
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Likely, the sort of people that could be incentivized by a scheme of the sort are those that are either meritless or barely earn any merits. Very likely, those that frequently do report get merited through their posts, and a few stray merits every now and then will not really bring any joy to their meriting habits. As already said, it could lay the basis for intended post/reporting, or enhance reporting in mass old posts or posts in areas where nobody really cares about.If anything, I’d make the rolling 30 day window report status list available at a lower threshold, or none at all (i.e. eliminating the 300 report requirement), as I find that is a rather useful tool to understand what gets marked as good and what doesn’t at a personal scale.
Not too long ago there was a proposal to incentivize MS's with Bitcoins or any monetary reward of some sort, that idea was rubbished as being completely unnecessary as MS's do not need any sat for the good they do. I think likewise reporters, they shouldn't be motivated or incentivized with merits or monetary reward for reporting posts, or 'punished' for wrong reports.
Reporters could be recognized with something like the proposed reporters badge of many years ago, but with yet no implementation on that until now, that is Theymos doesn't think it to be too important. Having said that, if there is less reports nowadays we can take the positive side and agree that there are less shitposts to report, and not believe that it is due to lack of reporters and thus seek a way to pump reports for the moderators.
Reporters could be recognized with something like the proposed reporters badge of many years ago, but with yet no implementation on that until now, that is Theymos doesn't think it to be too important. Having said that, if there is less reports nowadays we can take the positive side and agree that there are less shitposts to report, and not believe that it is due to lack of reporters and thus seek a way to pump reports for the moderators.
The whole idea of merit is to reward a good quality post. I don't think we should confuse it with a reporter's reporting status.
Yeah, this is the same thing I thought though but honestly, I had to give in because I thought we'd need to devise some means to curtail the whole wall of spammy post we get usually.... Well, it might be a little of an abuse to the merit system, but I don't think it'll obscure the original purpose of which it was created.The images and badges is never an exception folks... I'm hearing of this plan for the first time though but, it's a cool one and I think it has some kinda interceptions that'll forfeit Glove's theorem; but that's not just possible when both are still under probation.....
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Agreed, plus there is a loophole, ppl may create their own new alt accounts, start spamming with it and report themselves to earn merit on their other account.
Would someone in their right senses do these? Hahaha.... I couldn't hold over 'em. This is Just impossible cus "how long is that gonna work"?..if you say that the MODS are just gonna be unnecessarily stressed by some incessant request, I'll quickly agree with you. The former was just dumb and impossible.Edit 2: I was wondering if Gloves could possibly get those patches? I mean, for the images?
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I saw a post by Welsh saying that moderation reports have been in decline and that he misses the days when he woke up to hundreds of reports in his queue. It got me thinking of ways to jump-start it again.
The whole forum activity has been in decline for some time so no surprise that reports are in decline too. Another thing that might pad the stats are reports in altcoin section, which were very popular year ago (due Spambuster of the year award) and without it, majority of members don't have much incentive to report.The steep carrot/stick ratio is to prevent would-be abusers from gaining any traction.
Make no mistake, whatever can be abused here will be abused, no matter how many reports they have to make in order to get one merit. All this would just burden the mods with extra work and in the end wouldn't really help removing the spam. Imho, way more elegant solution to make people report more is to introduce some sort of badges for the most active reporters as that's what people asked for repeatedly.
Learning forum rules shouldn't be the primary reason to be here. Normal users should be more or less okay without knowing the details, just common sense is enough.
Guess there are not a lot of such normal users as you'd think. Imo, over 90% newbies who decide to stay in the forum may become more or less merit-seeking, coz they want to earn a few extra bucks (by joining sig. camps, etc.). And the rest fall into a category where they just ask 1 question about their problem and run away from the forum forever when its solved. Think you'd agree mostly promotional camps incentivizes newbs. to stay here so they'll do what it takes.The whole idea of merit is to reward a good quality post. I don't think we should confuse it with a reporter's reporting status.
Agreed, plus there is a loophole, ppl may create their own new alt accounts, start spamming with it and report themselves to earn merit on their other account.Edit:
Would someone in their right senses do these? Hahaha....
Sig. spammers (who have hard time getting merits) would, to complete their weekly quota lmao..
I think that this idea of motivation is completely unnecessary and wrong, as others say, reports should not be linked to merits or any kind of monetary motivation. No matter how such a system is designed, there will always be those who will abuse it, and I believe that the moderators would have a lot of work and a lot of reports that would not make sense.
Hmm, it's strange that the admin proposed something like that, and that nothing happened for more than 4 years, which means that it's something very low on his priority list. Given that badges were awarded in some other cases, I assume that their technical implementation is not too demanding, so perhaps part of the reason why they were not implemented lies in the fact that some do not want to be labeled as top reporters.
But I would like to remind the concept of (Seeking reporter badge images) theymos seeking images for badges like three levels and it happened in 2018 if I am not wrong but still now it doesn't been implemented. 
Hmm, it's strange that the admin proposed something like that, and that nothing happened for more than 4 years, which means that it's something very low on his priority list. Given that badges were awarded in some other cases, I assume that their technical implementation is not too demanding, so perhaps part of the reason why they were not implemented lies in the fact that some do not want to be labeled as top reporters.
theymos seeking images for badges like three levels and it happened in 2018 if I am not wrong but still now it doesn't been implemented.
This is why:when I went to implement this it ended up being quite a bit more of a can of worms than I originally thought because of opting out, preventing certain report-count-padding strategies, etc. It's still on my to-do list, but there are several things above it.
Maybe OP can do the heavy lifting for theymos to implement the reporter badges? That would be really cool.
Merits shouldn't be combined with reports even forum mentions don't worry about accuracy of the report you made so I don't think this idea may be implemented.
But I would like to remind the concept of (Seeking reporter badge images) theymos seeking images for badges like three levels and it happened in 2018 if I am not wrong but still now it doesn't been implemented.
But I would like to remind the concept of (Seeking reporter badge images) theymos seeking images for badges like three levels and it happened in 2018 if I am not wrong but still now it doesn't been implemented.
So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
The balance can (maybe, not sure) go negative, so you would have to "work off" each of your bad reports to get back above zero and each time you accumulate 1000 millimerits (40 good reports) the balance gets reset and you're awarded one real merit.
The whole idea of merit is to reward a good quality post. I don't think we should confuse it with a reporter's reporting status. The balance can (maybe, not sure) go negative, so you would have to "work off" each of your bad reports to get back above zero and each time you accumulate 1000 millimerits (40 good reports) the balance gets reset and you're awarded one real merit.
moderation reports have been in decline and that he misses the days when he woke up to hundreds of reports in his queue.
There's less spam (and much less posts in general). In the past week, 35,000 posts were made. 4 years ago, there were 350,000 posts per week (that's 10 times more).I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
- Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.
- Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
- Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.
So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
Good proposal Gloves. 1) If the millimerit balance stays hidden, then how's the estimations gonna be made? If it's visible, is that not gonna give everyone the guts to have a users' stat on their finger tips?
So how 'bout adding an extra Option to the MOD's tool just to enhance a single user's visibility -- strictly to the MODs alone??
2) I haven't been taking it as a priority to report 'em post though but, I guess these cut ratio between "a user reporting a post wrongly and getting them right -- looks pretty much like a thug of war, a bridge of uncertainty"
Some peeps don't even know which post to report and what standards it has gone against -- those set of asshole would only suffer some lame depreciation with this theorem -- but I don't think they'd get motivated anyways, as the offer won't buy a plate of potato salad (assuming they were bucks) lol....
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The thing I like about this system is that it can be completely ignored by the reporters that don't need an incentive (they can just pretend the system doesn't exist and keep doing their thing; it changes nothing for them except that they'll receive an extra merit once in a while). But, it might encourage others to spend their time cleaning up the forum, too. The steep carrot/stick ratio is to prevent would-be abusers from gaining any traction.
True.Those set of reporters won't even recall that there's been an incentive though but it'll be exactly the same thing that'll ignite those yo-yos, dimwittys ...
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;too little and it obviously won't jump-start anything, too much and it would likely lead to excessive reporting.
Which is the same thing you wanted right? Lol.... I'm sure you're not expecting an escalation over the previous quantity? If yes, then it'll attract alot if 5 merits could be gained in every 1000 millimerits and 100 is Lost for every bad report.... that seems cool to me 
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An interesting consequence of a system like this is that it would probably compel a decent fraction of merit-seeking newbies to thoroughly learn the forum's rules.
Yes, only for those who would DECIDE to LEARN.... "Compel" isn't the word Gloves; alot would even join the train and earn some merit points (that's if it were appreciable), and won't still know any damn thing for Christ sake!!! ....On the other hand, They could still be seeking for merits yet, won't look at this as an option. This whole thing means that "no matter how hard you try, you'd just end up realizing the forum wasn't meant for everyone AND, not everyone came in with a good motives, as yours. All the same, this is a good proposal and I'd like to hear from others too.turning a legendary-SHE
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So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
There has been nothing negative on this forum, it would only be better if there is reward for good reports while nothing for bad report, instead of negative. But the forum is working good the way it is now and theymos may not just consider this.
Even if theymos wants to implement this, at least those that should be rewarded should have at least more than 5000 or 10000 good reports in my opinion. Else, some people may begin to have the habit to just report even many good posts which would become an issue for moderators.
Original proposal
I saw a post by Welsh saying that moderation reports have been in decline and that he misses the days when he woke up to hundreds of reports in his queue. It got me thinking of ways to jump-start it again.
So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
The balance can (maybe, not sure) go negative, so you would have to "work off" each of your bad reports to get back above zero and each time you accumulate 1000 millimerits (40 good reports) the balance gets reset and you're awarded one real merit.
The thing I like about this system is that it can be completely ignored by the reporters that don't need an incentive (they can just pretend the system doesn't exist and keep doing their thing; it changes nothing for them except that they'll receive an extra merit once in a while). But, it might encourage others to spend their time cleaning up the forum, too. The steep carrot/stick ratio is to prevent would-be abusers from gaining any traction.
The specific values will need discussion/tuning so that there's just the right amount of incentive; too little and it obviously won't jump-start anything, too much and it would likely lead to excessive reporting.
An interesting consequence of a system like this is that it would probably compel a decent fraction of merit-seeking newbies to thoroughly learn the forum's rules.
This proposal touches code that I don't have access to, so I'm unable to provide a patch like I normally would, but it's a nice idea and I thought it would be worth sharing.
Revised proposal
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, everyone!
It seems like maybe reporter badges would be a better (less abusable) motivator. I'll address reporter badges at the end of this edit.
People have pointed out that reports are down because activity is down in general. That's true, but I still think ideas to motivate reporters are worth discussing.
The system as proposed above would have been automatic (i.e. once a mod marked a report as good or bad, the millimerits would be sent). The -100 penalty for a bad report was there to prevent people from spamming the mods with reports; each bad report "undoing" 4 good reports means that the threshold for profitability is 80% accuracy (i.e. at or below 80% you can't sustainably earn millimerits).
One piece of feedback that torpedoes the original proposal is the possibility of collusion, which I didn't think about. If the reward is handed out automatically, then it's only a matter of time before people start manufacturing posts for others to "report".
I think both of the above problems (the -100 penalty and abuse by collusion) can be solved with a fairly small adjustment:
Get rid of the -100 penalty for a bad report, but instead of the 25 millimerits for a good report being sent automatically, leave it up to the individual moderator's discretion. That way, the mods can spot abuse themselves; if someone spams them with mostly inaccurate reports or if reports seem suspiciously like collusion (e.g. someone keeps reporting new posts from the same user over and over again) then they can decline to issue any millimerits. Maybe the rule could be that when reporting a post, the moderator that handles it has the option of sending you between 0 and 1000 millimerits depending on how useful/valuable your report was. Then (just making up numbers) original reports can get ~60 and redundant (but still good) reports can get ~20, really valuable reports like malware can get ~300, and so on (some moderators would likely be more generous than others).
Reporter badges
A few people mentioned reporter badges, which I think would be a nice addition to the forum!
I'm for the idea of reporter badges, and I would be willing to spend my time on implementing them (including the ability for people to opt out, if they like). However, I've offered to take things off of theymos' plate before (specifically, this) and never heard back from him, so I'm not hopeful that he would let me tackle this.
I saw a post by Welsh saying that moderation reports have been in decline and that he misses the days when he woke up to hundreds of reports in his queue. It got me thinking of ways to jump-start it again.
So, the idea would be for each user to have a "millimerit" balance (either hidden from view, or maybe visible next to the existing report accuracy numbers). Moderators could then award members with say 25 millimerits for any good report and -100 for any bad report.
The balance can (maybe, not sure) go negative, so you would have to "work off" each of your bad reports to get back above zero and each time you accumulate 1000 millimerits (40 good reports) the balance gets reset and you're awarded one real merit.
The thing I like about this system is that it can be completely ignored by the reporters that don't need an incentive (they can just pretend the system doesn't exist and keep doing their thing; it changes nothing for them except that they'll receive an extra merit once in a while). But, it might encourage others to spend their time cleaning up the forum, too. The steep carrot/stick ratio is to prevent would-be abusers from gaining any traction.
The specific values will need discussion/tuning so that there's just the right amount of incentive; too little and it obviously won't jump-start anything, too much and it would likely lead to excessive reporting.
An interesting consequence of a system like this is that it would probably compel a decent fraction of merit-seeking newbies to thoroughly learn the forum's rules.
This proposal touches code that I don't have access to, so I'm unable to provide a patch like I normally would, but it's a nice idea and I thought it would be worth sharing.
Revised proposal
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, everyone!
It seems like maybe reporter badges would be a better (less abusable) motivator. I'll address reporter badges at the end of this edit.
People have pointed out that reports are down because activity is down in general. That's true, but I still think ideas to motivate reporters are worth discussing.
The system as proposed above would have been automatic (i.e. once a mod marked a report as good or bad, the millimerits would be sent). The -100 penalty for a bad report was there to prevent people from spamming the mods with reports; each bad report "undoing" 4 good reports means that the threshold for profitability is 80% accuracy (i.e. at or below 80% you can't sustainably earn millimerits).
One piece of feedback that torpedoes the original proposal is the possibility of collusion, which I didn't think about. If the reward is handed out automatically, then it's only a matter of time before people start manufacturing posts for others to "report".
I think both of the above problems (the -100 penalty and abuse by collusion) can be solved with a fairly small adjustment:
Get rid of the -100 penalty for a bad report, but instead of the 25 millimerits for a good report being sent automatically, leave it up to the individual moderator's discretion. That way, the mods can spot abuse themselves; if someone spams them with mostly inaccurate reports or if reports seem suspiciously like collusion (e.g. someone keeps reporting new posts from the same user over and over again) then they can decline to issue any millimerits. Maybe the rule could be that when reporting a post, the moderator that handles it has the option of sending you between 0 and 1000 millimerits depending on how useful/valuable your report was. Then (just making up numbers) original reports can get ~60 and redundant (but still good) reports can get ~20, really valuable reports like malware can get ~300, and so on (some moderators would likely be more generous than others).
Reporter badges
A few people mentioned reporter badges, which I think would be a nice addition to the forum!
But I would like to remind the concept of (Seeking reporter badge images)
Maybe OP can do the heavy lifting for theymos to implement the reporter badges? That would be really cool.
Imho, way more elegant solution to make people report more is to introduce some sort of badges for the most active reporters as that's what people asked for repeatedly.
I was wondering if Gloves could possibly get those patches? I mean, for the images?
Reporters could be recognized with something like the proposed reporters badge of many years ago
However, like adding badges to the profile, there are a lot of option to grow.
A reporter badge would likely be more effective there.
I'm still hopeful that they get implemented at some point.
I support this also.
Well, it's been already 4 years and counting.
Which brings back the question when those badges will be implemented?
I'm for the idea of reporter badges, and I would be willing to spend my time on implementing them (including the ability for people to opt out, if they like). However, I've offered to take things off of theymos' plate before (specifically, this) and never heard back from him, so I'm not hopeful that he would let me tackle this.
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