Topic: Rich now Understood that working class people need to be protected (Read 257 times)

I'm happy that you have this idea. I hope it means you belong to a decent society whose business sector is genuinely looking after the welfare of the working class.

Alas, there is no single standard that applies to all societies. From where I'm writing this post, private companies don't care about their workers. Workers are underpaid, overworked, abused, unprotected. Not only are they paid below the minimum salary, they also don't have health care and other benefits. They can be kicked out anytime. They're dispensable. They can be replaced any day.

The employer side should improve the conditions of their employees. This behavior also shows the respect that employers have for their own work. It is not right to look at everything in terms of production or profit, the happiness of the employee and the employer are also important. Making the workplace better is as important as making a profit or getting a high salary.

When you do some things well, other problems or deficiencies will fix themselves. Valuing your employee means valuing your work.

My opinion is that the company wants the employees to do their work but also take their money but the company should do something for their safety.  Yes, this is absolutely true, but the company does not think about this because their expenses are for these employees and they do not want to do it to them.  If the employees stay with the company and do their work honestly, then they should also do something for them that will make them feel happy and they will also enjoy their work.  And it has become very common these days that companies only take advantage of themselves and hire employees, because of which nothing is done for the employees.  Yes, it will also benefit them, or be done with them as they say, or whoever wants to take salaries, let them give it to them, or do it for the one who pleads for protection.  But they will be more happy to get more salary.

What are bizarre conclusion that you have come to which is nothing to do with the point that Mark Carney was trying to make. Low productivity has nothing to do with "rich people must protect poor people". It means that the economy is not very innovative and the production rate is not increasing. You would imagine with various technological advances, improving processes and re-allocation of labor that provides, that people should be able to do more with less - think replacing checkout staff with self checkout machines. Those people that got freed up from that task should be able to add productivity into new areas of the economy. You should be careful about jumping to the wrong conclusions because you certainly did not understand what that article is trying to tell you.

In my current job, we are already preparing for automation of a lot of things. With it comes the fact that there will be no need for workers to man these automated workstations. The good thing is, in our company, we are asked what we really want to contribute on, or take participation into, and we are trained to be ready to handle these tasks. Ironically, I am currently helping our team to automate customer service concerns and a lot of data stuff, and these tasks are currently being handled by 6-8 people. Our target is to reduce the required heads need to answer customer concerns to only one or two people, mainly focusing on edge case scenarios that only a human can help with. The rest of the team will go to other projects that still improve our services without the need to lay off people.

I get the general anxiety the workforce are getting when they see that automation and AI is improving everyday, as this might spell an end to their careers. Then again, these AI stuff reduce human toil by A LOT, and push people to get creative and explore what other things they can do and be good at it. In my case it's building an AI, and tinkering with stuff that I knew nothing about back then given my entirely different background.

With the internet being easily accessible nowadays, it's hard to believe that people won't learn anything new unless they really want to. The dilemma of the workforce being replaced by AIs is a completely understandable thing, but the human mind is extremely hard to replace, as we learn not only by patterns--unlike our AI counterparts--but also with our creative minds.

That's right bro, we have to have several skills so we can work and make money for ourselves, we can't be satisfied with the same place over and over again, we have to think about several other aspects to be able to earn money, there is no job that has a guarantee of success. let's just stay calm in that position, there are other things that we have to control, there must be some work that can generate income for us, because currently the economy is getting worse so like it or not we have to think hard in order to get out of all the existing problems At the moment.

I wish that can happen in all countries but unfortunately, that still too far to be true. Many rich people who owns company doesn't think to help their employee as we still hear and read many news about an employee doesn't get what they should get. We can imagine if many rich people do that things, we will see the world in a better situation which many employees will have a better life.

They don't have to feel difficult just to survive and they can buy their daily needs without a problem. Not just rich people but the government also need to think employee and working class. If working class can get their needs easily, we will see and increasing of their lives and they can also saving their money for their future.

So yes, I agree that working class need to be protected by the government and their right should be given. But that will need an honest officials that will care with those working class. Maybe that will happen in the near so working class and the low middle class can change their life to be better.

I agree that working class of people should be always protected and appreciated for a healthy economy. But, we should focus of flexible working environment rather than making them lazy or bored. While government policies are ensuring that, most corporates are not strictly following those but trying to max juice of their workforce. The economy of a government will grow only when all class of people are growing. If government laws are failing to protect the working people then economy growth rate also will get impacted negatively for sure.

I thought we are talking about financial help here? Hehe. Anyways, if there is lacking in resources in the working field, increasing the required sources can still help a lot and can actually combat the laziness of the workers.

This! But sadly this isn't always followed as usual. Governments can be biased, especially if they are corrupt. In regards to workers, I think there are also workers that are already rich. So, it is still be better to be picky and classify them when it comes to empowering them.

OP be talking about how rich protects working class from now on while AI is just around the corner to replace working class all in one fell swoop.

if the rich are willing to make AI just a tool that complement the working class so that it can easy the burden and boost productivity then we are talking but truth is, automation even without AI just plain machinery already laying off so many working class can't imagine what's gonna happen once there's utilization of AI in factories, it will lay off so many working class not to mention even right now there's robot with AI processing that could replace people.

things aren't looking as great as OP already pictured.

Indeed, from the current changes, it is necessary to prepare everything, in terms of work by having expertise, not just one that we can do, the need to have expertise in many fields is a must to encourage the progress that we dream of, all of which can be realized, with the need to think in that direction.

That's the sad reality of life. How many have we read or seen that with automation comes with the lay offs of workers? This is why if your job seems to be replaced by robots or with automation, better think of alternative sources of income. So in case you lost your job, you have contingencies already in place. In this world, everything changes, so prepare yourself for the worst case scenarios.

Some rich people only care about the working class because of the direct benefits that they get from them.
The moment that some of these jobs performed and carried out by the working class are now being able to be carried out by machine fully, many of these rich people who you think care for those that work for them in their factories and companies will be fast to lay off these workers because their first concern is actually their profits, the welfare of their company or business, not the welfare of the people that work for them.

It's definitely not the responsibility of the rich to protect the working class people you know why cause everyone is fighting for their own growth and thus what the rich do is ease the effectiveness by employing the working class and middle set of people to work under them so they can be able to meet up their demands.
But it's the duties if the government to protect the lives of every individuals but this era it's not possible cause of selfish gains and quest of power, but a rich Man can as well protect the lives of his subordinate based on the fact that such person's have served and proven humility to him/ her so the rich can do that out of generosity and Love.

I understand that you are trying to help the working class, however, it's never that simple because it's always passing the buck to small business owners or even the middle class. While rich people and governments do appreciate a good productive workforce, just merely increasing resources to the working class itself may don't solve fundamental problems like stagnating productivity.

Take the UK for example. Mark Carney has cited one of the biggest problems in their economy, workers are just not productive enough. But then, a rise in productivity is not only about providing more support, it is about investment in technology and education too, and retraining people with the right skills needed in today's economy. In such a scenario, unless these more profound structural problems are dealt with, overemphasized focus by the governments or the rich on redistribution might leave the economy worse off. What is required, in fact, is a balance that strikes between empowering workers and keeping the scope for innovation and efficiency.

Workers are the builder of the company, they are the ones that make the company productive and standard and they can also make it Nonstandard if they wish, must especially when the employer is too bounderish or adamant toward them, that is why every employer need to protect and respect their workers/employees and also appreciate them by elevating their positions, because if the company is productive the community will also be uplifted. Nowadays our community is insecure and riches doesn't bother about it they only care about their employees and how their company will be more productive and they will be earning a lot of income. some people are poor but they care a lot about their self respect or their dignity, so paying them huge amount of money as salary is not the only option but you have to be kind, respectful and generous to your workers. And they will be willing to sacrifice anything just to see your company developed and standard, they will also be punctual to work, honest, and loyal to you.


Exactly, some rich people doesn't care a little bit about their employees or working class people, they only care about themselves, family, businesses, companies and their treasures. They just have to pretend to be nice to the working class people to accomplish their goals or wishes by showering them with love and affection, because they very well know that the poor people are the productivity of their company and the standardized, growth, development and the income of the company depend on them.


Some rich people does not want to see a working class person to get rich, some of them are selfish to the extent that they don't want any lower class person to reach their level and achieve what they have achieved, to maintain the long distance between the rich and poor because they want them to continue serving them for the rest of their lives and keep on running their companies or businesses to a higher level of achievement. Workers work very hard to fulfill their fiscal responsibilities and rich people benefit the most from the hard work of the poor or workers. They do not want to fight against inflation because they are the beneficiary of inflation and the poor bear the consequences.

Rich people don't just think about their economy which is produced by workers, welfare is also a top priority for them, as you mentioned the most important thing is health, it's very important.

In my area, where there are rich people who open businesses or companies, they must be registered with the employment agency which is protected by the government, without exception, they really have to carry out full responsibility towards workers, For this reason, protecting workers is important, they do not only work to collect money for rich people, their soul rights are also very important to protect in all aspects of their lives as long as they work in the place of rich people.

What makes you think that they care about the working class or lower classes? All they care about is themselves and their companies and businesses.

A rich businessman would be smart enough to understand that the more he shows care and affection for the working class and lower classes, the more good and productive workers he and his companies will attract, and that means more revenue for him in the long run. I'm not saying this is the case with every rich person, but it is for the most.

What does a person working for a company need? A respectful work environment, and necessary basic requirements, and a person running a company or a business would know what he needs to do to keep their workers loyal to the company because that brings more productivity, hence more growth for the company.

So the point is, that the rich are more smart than they are affectionate.

Working class generally are all the people who have skills teachers doctors builders cleaners even officials and everyone else.
There should be more restrictions for them to open their own business instead of this they should just take rest on their free time the saturday and Sunday so they can be rested well and productive monday to friday.

Im not working class becouse i don't have any skills Im more investor money mover and trader so working class rules doesnt apply to me becouse Im not 9-5 person.

But those who got skills need to be useful as possible and those who got no skills should just be rich and making money and right now the system is perfect for this.

This is a power play to keep the masses pleased enough not to bite the hand that feeds them. This is about power, not compassion. Instead of tossing money around, these guys intentionally spend in keeping us comfortable enough not to rebel. And eliminating middlemen? It sounds efficient, but that's not everything. What about those jobs' dependents? Productivity shouldn't cost jobs. Our obsession with productivity has blinded us to the human cost of our chase of more

This "productive enough" nonsense is ludicrous. Our output determines our value as cogs in a machine. This goes beyond working hard; it quantifies our existence. Our roles go beyond employment. We love, ponder, and dream. Rest, create, and connect with communities are needed. Life is about living, not just working

If this is the mindset of the rich in the early 1800's when they are taking advantage of let's say Africa, then there will be no middle class. So I doubt that kind of mindset is prevalent in this centuries. Well you might hurt that companies are giving a lot of privileges, but it doesn't mean that they are protecting them.

It just means that they want their workers to stay and most likely be productive. There is nothing wrong with this mentality, but I do not think that it's more suited from the capitalist point of view. They are still going to make a lot of money out of their workers, no matter what you project that they have been protected or what or being given their basic needs to stay in the fold of their company or the capitalist individuals.

I know that many rich people benefit from the poor staying poor. The harder it is to earn money or meet needs, the more the poor will work which makes it really easy for the rich ones. They have no other choice but to be productive.

If the poor stays poor or god forbid be even poorer, it will create a bigger class gap between the rich ones and the poor ones. The rich will be perceived a lot more rich if the rest of the world earned less than them. I have seen many cases where the rich actually benefits from inflation. Besides they do not experience inflation the same way the poor does. They can fight against inflation better than those who earn less.

In theory, this is correct but in reality, it largely depend on the size of the economy and the labor force. In a country where the unemployment rate is high with fierce competition for the few available slots, employer really do not pay much attention to their workers as it should be and the later will not have any choice than to give their best even though it is done grudgingly. In such climes, people are heavily underemployed yet they don't have a choice. So, the major challenge with this post is the generalization because what is obtainable in the West may not be obtainable in Asia or some part of Africa.

The rich can create a positive impact that will uplift the poor, it doesn't necessarily mean that the rich will or most give money to the poor, but they can create employment opportunities and absorbed so many people and that's the employment the poor needs

government has a lot of tax to be given to her citizens, but due to corruption has taken over that's why many people in government doesn't know their rights and what they need to do for the citizens, but as humans being we don't need to depend at least seventy five percent [75%] to government, at we should think of safe employed to make a sustainable living.

We still live in a world where exploitation of workers are still very common, sad to say that today's appreciation might a little hard to accomplished. Other countries government I might say, is offering a decent amount of salary, a benefits of their own, and also a future plans for their employees But let's not forget the social status, educational attainment and willingness to work a decent job is a major factor in our economy, for example Early Pregnancy in poverty area whereas both party is still underage. The teenage mother due to her pregnancy there's a chance where she won't be able to finish her school curriculum and focus on her and baby's health. The teenage father will be forced to work resulting also for him not to finish school, and the cycle will be pass generation by generation.


The government has the ability to form a partnership with other stakeholders or champions (term for partners with the same interest) and able to open a large amount of job vacancy.

Who're even the working class we're talking about here? Is it the government official workers such as the civil servants or you're making this propose to the general terms of human resources such as Industrial productions? If as that, we still do have individual producers who doesn't work for the governments but a private sector but their source of resources provides general benefits as the produces are consumed by the people.
So I don't actually believe it that the governments works immensely to caring about the humans of resources unless they're specially working for them.
I wouldn't want to have that urge of false insightment because the governments only gives concern to resources specifically generating utilities for them and not concerned to give protections on a personalized individual nomatter how proficient resourceful the people maybe.

It is not the responsibilities of the rich to take care of the poor in the society, they can only give back to their country or communities out of their own free will. The people that they owe are the ones that works directly for them, although some rich people will not pay fair wages to their employees but it's what is agreed that they pay. Contrary to what is said in the OP,  I don't think that most rich people cares about the welfare of the poor, infact they'd prefer the poor to remain impoverished so that they will not compete with them.

It is the governments that have the responsibilities to protect the lives and properties of people in their territories. They also provide basic amenities and the enabling environment for businesses to strive in their countries. There'll always be the poor and rich in every country and most often the rich will always take advantage of the poor.

the rich whom get wealth via the purchases made by the lower classes only care about getting the lower classes into basic enough work that they are not a tax burden to cause corporate tax rises to fill the treasury, but on low enough pay to be a tax write-off via all the benefits of law that allow businesses to write-off certain employee functions. also the low paid employees of the lower classes being paid just enough to not take profits away from the retail owner. but paid enough that the people then spend their earnings back into their retailers

its not caring for the poor. its caring for self preservation.. if the lower classes dont buy their products but instead receive social security payments. the businesses wont survive and the rich wont get their income

its like rural africa.
if the villagers are getting free handouts of clothes, food and water and there are no jobs. then there is no money to then spend in stores, so there are no stores. thus no rich people stay in villages if there is no business. also to start business would cost more as then the business would have to pay higher local taxes to filter down to then payout for the social securities(medical/education/housing) of those out-of-work villagers

If you don't protect your workers or employees in your company, it will be difficult for the company to be productive in the community because the employees need to be in safe place or position, where they can be productive for the company to achieve income. This is the reason why people use to call on government to solve the insecurity challenge in the community, because they know that they can not be productive in the community if the insecurity continue, and the government must respond to them in a positive way, You can also use high salary to protect your workers or employees because the high salary will make them to be productive for the company to achieve their goal.

It's smart to care about working class because If you are rich you got good system that Will make money for you anyways the financial system and Investments can make you always more money from money.
But what you want is ...that you can enjoy your good money so you always get things done without delays and you always have quality good food and your country society works well and more productivity means good for markets If productivity is good then even stock markets can give more profit.
And If money what we have is more directly connected with actual productivity then it means lower inflation also.
We need also to use prisoners more for work so many prisoners stay in prison that's extra cost for goverment so they should better working.
So in otherwords i want to see that people working and i like to get things 24/7 so it means someone need to work.

Generalizations are dumb. Putting a lot of people in the same category is dumb. Dividing the people into rich people and working class people is  the Marxist approach, which isn't inherently wrong, but it generalizes things a lot. All rich people aren't the same. Some rich people do care about the working class, others don't. Immigration drives the labor costs down and keeps the profits up, which is good for the companies. That's why most of the rich people have nothing against all the illegal immigrants, even though immigration has a bad impact over the working class, because the immigrants are getting the low wage jobs and the natives stay unemployed for a longer time frame.

Rich knows that If working class suffering too hard then it's bad for society.
Now the rich are those who want to protect working class.
So that working class can work and be productive while food housing and good health care will be there.
That's what the rich and wealthy ones see now and goverments will focus on that also.
those who working should have essential things without worried about too much.
But resoucres rather for society will be taken from small business owners and from those who got little better financial situation then the middle class.
Even i do understood that those who want to work and be productive in society should be protected those are people who hold up everything and little they ask just for their Life and little they need i don't think it's the problem to give them If they willing to work and to be productive.
The rich ones not dumb they understood now that they need to help working class to have all the means what they need food housing and clothing and healthcare and that's not even big cost for rich ones
What is the biggest cost for society the money resources and everything is that too many "brokers" or "middle-men" the middle dealers of other middle -mens and brokers of everything that doesnt really provide anything and that's not productive activity so those kind of things will be reduced and goverments will be focusing on directing people to be more productive instead of empty results jobs so agriculture and other things.
I think same i think people need to be more focus on to be productive.

But even i want that working class and skilled workers kind of people will be busy to be productive and in return the weatlhy and goverments will take care of their Simple needs the food and housing.
Becouse now i think also that society don't give protection for the working class If we can fix that problem then i think our factories and food production companies will produce more and we all can have bigger grouwth and better economical numbers and no unemployment what people need to do now is to be very productive.

Like mark carney said ...UK economy is low Because people not just productive as they should be.
I think he said right thing we need to bring back productivity and productive behavor of working class people around the world.
Source:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/19/mark-carney-cant-be-allowed-to-forget-his-role-in-britains/