Risk of nuclear accidents is rising, says report on near-misses

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Quote from: Vod on May 01, 2014, 09:20:10 PM

If the world has a nuclear exchange, it will be between India and Pakistan. Conflict between those two is inevitable.

Why do I say inevitable? India needs water, and it is damming rivers to get it. Those rivers flow into Pakistan, which also needs water. Soon there will not be enough to go around. Both countries are nuclear.

I agree with the first part of your post, but disagree with the second part.

India mostly depends upon River Ganges and River Brahmaputra for water. R. Ganges originate within India, while R. Brahmaputra originates in Tibet. China is currently considering to construct a major dam in Brahmaputra, which will divert most of its water.

On the other hand, Pakistan depends upon R. Indus for most of its water needs. Some 75% of its waters originate within Pakistan, some 15% in Tibet and the remaining in India.

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Quote from: Vod on May 01, 2014, 11:13:28 PM

Quote from: counter on May 01, 2014, 11:05:34 PM

How about sharing the water equally? I know I know it seems silly and simple. From my point of view the same could be said about unnecessary death and nuclear war.

So let's say India has enough water for 1 billion people. They need water for 1.2 billion people.

They can easily get the water for 1.2 billion people by building more dams.

Are they going to let 200,000,000 people die for Pakistan? When they have the power to prevent those deaths? A leader would have to be insane to come to an agreement to let two hundred million people die. Meanwhile those dams will cause 200 million people to die in Pakistan.

I tell you my friend - there is a finite supply of water and not enough to go around. War is inevitable.

Let's believe for a bit in science?
Improved fusion reactor and desalination plants might overcome this problem.

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Quote from: Vod on May 01, 2014, 11:13:28 PM

I tell you my friend - there is a finite supply of water and not enough to go around. War is inevitable.

Well, there's lots of water during the monsoon.
But of course they would need proper planning and some common sense.
That's not going to happen any time soon.

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Quote from: counter on May 01, 2014, 11:05:34 PM

How about sharing the water equally? I know I know it seems silly and simple. From my point of view the same could be said about unnecessary death and nuclear war.

So let's say India has enough water for 1 billion people. They need water for 1.2 billion people.

They can easily get the water for 1.2 billion people by building more dams.

Are they going to let 200,000,000 people die for Pakistan? When they have the power to prevent those deaths? A leader would have to be insane to come to an agreement to let two hundred million people die. Meanwhile those dams will cause 200 million people to die in Pakistan.

I tell you my friend - there is a finite supply of water and not enough to go around. War is inevitable.

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How about sharing the water equally? I know I know it seems silly and simple. From my point of view the same could be said about unnecessary death and nuclear war.

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Quote from: counter on May 01, 2014, 10:36:26 PM

I would like to think there is a better way to fix that issue then go to nuclear war.

Name it. You have almost a couple billion people who would be hanging on your every word.

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Time is on our side, yes it is!

I would like to think there is a better way to fix that issue then go to nuclear war.

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If the world has a nuclear exchange, it will be between India and Pakistan. Conflict between those two is inevitable.

Why do I say inevitable? India needs water, and it is damming rivers to get it. Those rivers flow into Pakistan, which also needs water. Soon there will not be enough to go around. Both countries are nuclear.

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Quote from: beetcoin on May 01, 2014, 05:08:50 PM

pakistan seems the scariest to me.. they are batshit crazy. if they feel like they have nothing left to lose, they might just let it go.

If the Pakistani government is democratically elected, then it is OK. But the problem is that we will never know when that country slips again to a military dictatorship type of rule.

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Well in the current system this is not very surprising. Unstable economy and global politics are not a good mix.

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pakistan seems the scariest to me.. they are batshit crazy. if they feel like they have nothing left to lose, they might just let it go.

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Brings to mind an old VICE special about a dirty bomb being nearly sold to Al Qaeda by a Bulgarian arms dealer. Terrifying.

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Quote from: niothor on April 30, 2014, 08:12:40 AM

It's kind a funny when you think how the smartest race on this planet can be wiped out in a a relative small time frame because of a few idiots or a simple malfunction.

Well..... the command structure right now is different from what we had in the 1960s. Russian and American nuclear weapons can be launched only by the respective heads of state. And that too after receiving permission from other top level staff such as the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. And regarding malfunction, it will never happen. These weapons will become dormant / inactive if any malfunction occurs.

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Quote from: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 07:54:09 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 07:46:47 AM

Quote from: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 07:40:35 AM

You don't worry about those nuclear warheads that can destroy the world 100 times over? It only takes 1 mistake and we all die.

What I was trying to say was that Russia and the US know how to safely store their nuclear warheads and those weapons will never end up with the extremists. The same can't be said about North Korea and Pakistan.

It is safe? If not because of those two people below. We might not here right now. The humanity is hanging on single thread because of this nuclear weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

It's kind a funny when you think how the smartest race on this planet can be wiped out in a a relative small time frame because of a few idiots or a simple malfunction.

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Quote from: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 07:54:09 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 07:46:47 AM

Quote from: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 07:40:35 AM

You don't worry about those nuclear warheads that can destroy the world 100 times over? It only takes 1 mistake and we all die.

What I was trying to say was that Russia and the US know how to safely store their nuclear warheads and those weapons will never end up with the extremists. The same can't be said about North Korea and Pakistan.

It is safe? If not because of those two people below. We might not here right now. The humanity is hanging on single thread because of this nuclear weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

It's actually pretty scary that our continued existence depends on level-headedness of only a handful of people, and those people are not even at the top of command chain.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 07:46:47 AM

Quote from: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 07:40:35 AM

You don't worry about those nuclear warheads that can destroy the world 100 times over? It only takes 1 mistake and we all die.

What I was trying to say was that Russia and the US know how to safely store their nuclear warheads and those weapons will never end up with the extremists. The same can't be said about North Korea and Pakistan.

It is safe? If not because of those two people below. We might not here right now. The humanity is hanging on single thread because of this nuclear weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

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Quote from: jinjuro on April 30, 2014, 07:40:35 AM

You don't worry about those nuclear warheads that can destroy the world 100 times over? It only takes 1 mistake and we all die.

What I was trying to say was that Russia and the US know how to safely store their nuclear warheads and those weapons will never end up with the extremists. The same can't be said about North Korea and Pakistan.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 02:58:17 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about the nuclear warheads which Russia and the US are possessing. On the other hand, I really worry about the 100+ warheads which are under the possession of Pakistan and North Korea.

You don't worry about those nuclear warheads that can destroy the world 100 times over? It only takes 1 mistake and we all die.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 06:01:17 AM

Quote from: niothor on April 30, 2014, 05:16:03 AM

I'm more concerned about the ones of Israel and South Africa.

I think Israel is having 7 or 8 smaller nuclear weapons. But South Africa? Seriously? RSA never had a nuclear program, and they never got the nuclear weapons from anyone. Or.. did you meant Saudi Arabia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Israel and RSA are linked in this mess

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Quote from: niothor on April 30, 2014, 05:16:03 AM

I'm more concerned about the ones of Israel and South Africa.

I think Israel is having 7 or 8 smaller nuclear weapons. But South Africa? Seriously? RSA never had a nuclear program, and they never got the nuclear weapons from anyone. Or.. did you meant Saudi Arabia?

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Quote from: Nemo1024 on April 30, 2014, 05:21:55 AM

And I am more concerned about the power plants in Ukraine right now...

Well , one accident in the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant and nobody will care for a few months who's Russian and who is Ukrainian.

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Quote from: Lethn on April 30, 2014, 05:25:58 AM

How the fuck do you 'nearly' launch a nuclear missile?

You think about launching one , you get out of bed , then before pushing the button you have a cup of coffee and decide not to do it

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How the fuck do you 'nearly' launch a nuclear missile?

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And I am more concerned about the power plants in Ukraine right now...

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 30, 2014, 02:58:17 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about the nuclear warheads which Russia and the US are possessing. On the other hand, I really worry about the 100+ warheads which are under the possession of Pakistan and North Korea.

I'm more concerned about the ones of Israel and South Africa.

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I wouldn't worry too much about the nuclear warheads which Russia and the US are possessing. On the other hand, I really worry about the 100+ warheads which are under the possession of Pakistan and North Korea.

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Every confrontation with Russia is making it worst. As soon Russia is defeated in conventional warfare it will go nuclear and US and allies will counter it with all they got.

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Risk of nuclear accidents is rising, says report on near-misses

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/29/nuclear-accident-near-misses-report

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