Topic: Risks of instituations holding bitcoin (Read 702 times)

Quote from: abel1337 on April 07, 2021, 03:41:20 PM

Perhaps these institutions with strong financial power are sharks in the crypto market and they are manipulating part of the market.
I think these institutions will not hold BTC for long, as long as they are profitable they will leave, perhaps then there will be a sharp decline.

You may be right or may be wrong but we can't do anything about it if they suddenly plan to sell their Bitcoin since it's their money in the first place. But, you don't need to worry because I don't think they have to easily throw their investment just because they saw a slight profit in this market.

But think about it, why Elon Musk and others large institutional investors are starting to invest in Bitcoin today instead of doing it last 2017 bull market? There could be some reason about it but why should I care when I am just a small fish in the sea compared to these sharks. Cheesy

Of course they won't leave easily if they haven't made a big enough profit. However I am still here no matter if the big fish are leaving the crypto market, I love BTC and this market so I want to stick with it.

For those solid supporters for sure to stay and those people will even eventually be buying into those times since coins would really be cheap which is understandable.

If they do leave out the market then let them be because it will just eventually recover no matter what.This is one of the cons when there are people/instutions/companies

who do baghold much number of coins because of their financial capacity which is really normal or anticipated.

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Quote from: jonval21 on April 07, 2021, 03:11:15 PM

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Perhaps these institutions with strong financial power are sharks in the crypto market and they are manipulating part of the market.
I think these institutions will not hold BTC for long, as long as they are profitable they will leave, perhaps then there will be a sharp decline.

You may be right or may be wrong but we can't do anything about it if they suddenly plan to sell their Bitcoin since it's their money in the first place. But, you don't need to worry because I don't think they have to easily throw their investment just because they saw a slight profit in this market.

But think about it, why Elon Musk and others large institutional investors are starting to invest in Bitcoin today instead of doing it last 2017 bull market? There could be some reason about it but why should I care when I am just a small fish in the sea compared to these sharks. Cheesy

Of course they won't leave easily if they haven't made a big enough profit. However I am still here no matter if the big fish are leaving the crypto market, I love BTC and this market so I want to stick with it.

Having institutional investment is because they are expecting very large profits, Elon Musk, Paypal and many more that are entering did not do it to earn pennies, I am sure they did their analysis and they know that the benefit will be in large proportions, I do not think they will go to exit the market when it hits $100,000, they can take profit of $200,000.

Well we don't know. It is safe to say that they will just hodl their BTC for greater profit but I think that companies and big institutions can't risk a big solid portion of their company and just entered into crypto because of the profit they can get during the bull market. These companies know that they can get a good amount of profit in the market so they entered. Imagine if these institutes bailed out one by one and bitcoin will crash, I don't know if you would say that you love the market.

Hodling is not in their nerves businessman know when to take profit and stop their loses, since we are in bearish trend for sure they will take long to maximize their profit and they will just add an hype on it so that they can possibly gain much attentions. But believe me when bear market hits they will secure their capital and profit then they only leave a small portion of profit for hodling they will just put a volume to make them relevant im the game.

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US Securities and Exchange Commission revealed that retail’s share of bitcoin purchases has fallen steadily over time, from 80% in Q1 2018 to 36% in Q4 2020. This indicates that institutions are buying up a bigger share of the bitcoin pie, a trend which may only continue and perhaps even accelerate in the future.

Nothing new. As price goes up less private investors will be ready to buy a big share. Private investors who bought cheap will be selling and big companies who have money and are prepared to invest a lot more and be satisfied with smaller margin of profit are going to keep buying.

I don't call it a risk. It's what every mature asset evolves into. Gold is also owned by big players like central banks. Retail in mature assets is always falling behind institutions.

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its risky for them because they are investing huge chunks of btc but investing in btc will now be safer for us retail investors .
it can only become a risk after some time or when institutional investors decided to sell thier huge btc's
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the only way to prevent it from happening is when we get out early before the sell out happen and then re enter once btc gets dumped

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Perhaps these institutions with strong financial power are sharks in the crypto market and they are manipulating part of the market.
I think these institutions will not hold BTC for long, as long as they are profitable they will leave, perhaps then there will be a sharp decline.

You may be right or may be wrong but we can't do anything about it if they suddenly plan to sell their Bitcoin since it's their money in the first place. But, you don't need to worry because I don't think they have to easily throw their investment just because they saw a slight profit in this market.

But think about it, why Elon Musk and others large institutional investors are starting to invest in Bitcoin today instead of doing it last 2017 bull market? There could be some reason about it but why should I care when I am just a small fish in the sea compared to these sharks. Cheesy

Of course they won't leave easily if they haven't made a big enough profit. However I am still here no matter if the big fish are leaving the crypto market, I love BTC and this market so I want to stick with it.

Having institutional investment is because they are expecting very large profits, Elon Musk, Paypal and many more that are entering did not do it to earn pennies, I am sure they did their analysis and they know that the benefit will be in large proportions, I do not think they will go to exit the market when it hits $100,000, they can take profit of $200,000.

Well we don't know. It is safe to say that they will just hodl their BTC for greater profit but I think that companies and big institutions can't risk a big solid portion of their company and just entered into crypto because of the profit they can get during the bull market. These companies know that they can get a good amount of profit in the market so they entered. Imagine if these institutes bailed out one by one and bitcoin will crash, I don't know if you would say that you love the market.

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Perhaps these institutions with strong financial power are sharks in the crypto market and they are manipulating part of the market.
I think these institutions will not hold BTC for long, as long as they are profitable they will leave, perhaps then there will be a sharp decline.

You may be right or may be wrong but we can't do anything about it if they suddenly plan to sell their Bitcoin since it's their money in the first place. But, you don't need to worry because I don't think they have to easily throw their investment just because they saw a slight profit in this market.

But think about it, why Elon Musk and others large institutional investors are starting to invest in Bitcoin today instead of doing it last 2017 bull market? There could be some reason about it but why should I care when I am just a small fish in the sea compared to these sharks. Cheesy

Of course they won't leave easily if they haven't made a big enough profit. However I am still here no matter if the big fish are leaving the crypto market, I love BTC and this market so I want to stick with it.

Having institutional investment is because they are expecting very large profits, Elon Musk, Paypal and many more that are entering did not do it to earn pennies, I am sure they did their analysis and they know that the benefit will be in large proportions, I do not think they will go to exit the market when it hits $100,000, they can take profit of $200,000.

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Quote from: fauzan123 on April 06, 2021, 12:39:09 AM

Perhaps these institutions with strong financial power are sharks in the crypto market and they are manipulating part of the market.
I think these institutions will not hold BTC for long, as long as they are profitable they will leave, perhaps then there will be a sharp decline.

You may be right or may be wrong but we can't do anything about it if they suddenly plan to sell their Bitcoin since it's their money in the first place. But, you don't need to worry because I don't think they have to easily throw their investment just because they saw a slight profit in this market.

But think about it, why Elon Musk and others large institutional investors are starting to invest in Bitcoin today instead of doing it last 2017 bull market? There could be some reason about it but why should I care when I am just a small fish in the sea compared to these sharks. Cheesy

Of course they won't leave easily if they haven't made a big enough profit. However I am still here no matter if the big fish are leaving the crypto market, I love BTC and this market so I want to stick with it.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on April 05, 2021, 07:24:58 PM

In my opinion, these institutions are basically large money making endeavors and is not really about supporting Bitcoin or Cryptocurrencies in general. I mean they do not even care about the Blockchain technology. I do not expect them to hold their bitcoins for a long time and will eventually sell them once opportunity comes. Manipulations are also likely to happen now, now that big finance is also getting its share of the Bitcoin pie. So let's all be very careful when dealing with these institutions.

As long as banking and investment institutions treat cryptocurrency like high risk/high reward investments. Challenges can occur when financial institutions become greedy, speculating or overweighting investment portfolios too heavily in cryptocurrency.

They know on what they are doing since those guys are experts interms of investments. Im sure they do a nassive studies before they invest on bitcoins and maybe they are joining creating a fud or hyping up just to earn with their investment.

And they will not became greedy since they are not newbies, they have plans on what to do and they are willing to catch fire and get a benefits.

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Quote from: iv4n on April 06, 2021, 01:25:57 AM

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In fact, institutions are likely to be more of a stabilizing influence on the bitcoin market than retail traders

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The headline of this topic is not appropriate here, there isn't anything risky for Bitcoin here! And it's a nice article, it's talking about the money that gets into crypto, new investors, and about some long-term price analysis... which can be accurate, or not... time will tell!

In the end, it's the freedom and free market! Each of us can do whatever we want with our coins, so can big institutions! I will go with the article here and say that "Institutions are in BTC for the long haul"... and maybe the price will be a lot stable one day because it will be hard to push the price down while institutions with their capital can maintain their buying level!

Being honest there are risks related to the fact that, let's put it this way, if GBTC or TSLA or MSTR and the likes lose access to their bitcoin funds, this would reflect on the price short-term (by plummeting) but on the long term not having these coins on the market it could make BTC more valuable.

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In fact, institutions are likely to be more of a stabilizing influence on the bitcoin market than retail traders

Quote from the article!

The headline of this topic is not appropriate here, there isn't anything risky for Bitcoin here! And it's a nice article, it's talking about the money that gets into crypto, new investors, and about some long-term price analysis... which can be accurate, or not... time will tell!

In the end, it's the freedom and free market! Each of us can do whatever we want with our coins, so can big institutions! I will go with the article here and say that "Institutions are in BTC for the long haul"... and maybe the price will be a lot stable one day because it will be hard to push the price down while institutions with their capital can maintain their buying level!

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Quote from: iTradeChips on April 05, 2021, 07:24:58 PM

In my opinion, these institutions are basically large money making endeavors and is not really about supporting Bitcoin or Cryptocurrencies in general. I mean they do not even care about the Blockchain technology. I do not expect them to hold their bitcoins for a long time and will eventually sell them once opportunity comes. Manipulations are also likely to happen now, now that big finance is also getting its share of the Bitcoin pie. So let's all be very careful when dealing with these institutions.

As long as banking and investment institutions treat cryptocurrency like high risk/high reward investments. Challenges can occur when financial institutions become greedy, speculating or overweighting investment portfolios too heavily in cryptocurrency.

It is important to keep in mind that this is a new world, and cryptocurrency is here to stay. As we’ve learned with any new technology, the challenge is not “if” but “how” to best integrate it into existing systems.

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Risks? Well maybe one is the fact that they are kinda like hoarding Bitcoin on a daily basis and the total circulating supply right now is decreasing. There might be a time that they will sell their Bitcoins just to take profit. Well that is normal already for them since we can consider them also as an investor like us. Them dumping "all" of their Bitcoin will create a massive dump and a big decrease in price.

On the other hand, there might be a chance that some institutions will do the opposite. They might not sell all of their Bitcoin although they will sell some for profit that is for sure. Right now, there is no risk on it TBH but when the time comes and they will sell it then just be ready. I believe that institutions are here to support Bitcoin and some of the large companies are already integrating cryptocurrency in their system like Paypal, Visa etc. More institutions will come and adopt Bitcoin and crypto

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In my opinion, these institutions are basically large money making endeavors and is not really about supporting Bitcoin or Cryptocurrencies in general. I mean they do not even care about the Blockchain technology. I do not expect them to hold their bitcoins for a long time and will eventually sell them once opportunity comes. Manipulations are also likely to happen now, now that big finance is also getting its share of the Bitcoin pie. So let's all be very careful when dealing with these institutions.

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Institutions buying Bitcoin won't pose a risk as long as people use their common sense. Naturally, they're buying off a bigger share of BTC than retailers and the trend will probably go in that direction, which gives them the opportunity to manipulate the price. But that's pretty much it. In fact, this can work to the benefit. If institutions buy and hodl Bitcoin and then, eventually, they'd try to use it to manipulate the market - all one has to do is stay tuned and use these price runups for trading purposes, very convenient.

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Investing involves risks. Our bitcoin has drawn more attention from institutions and now, those guys invest a lot of money, resource and capital to take over as many bitcoin as they can. This can be both risks and opportunities at the same time. The resources they provide will stop a sudden big sell-off but on the other hand, they can start their own sell-off which can make the whole market turn into a big red pumpkin. To me, I only see the opportunity. As long as we follow the big fish, we will never get hungry.

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I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

Institutions might be a potential threat to bitcoin's "price" and not bitcoin itself.

The price of bitcoin is a speculative part and institutions trading it will only affect the price of bitcoin and not it's usage.
Bitcoin will still be usable as a currency. Also, even if bitcoin's price is dumped due to huge sell of from institutions it will still be able to recover the price as they start buying bitcoin again.

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We must remember that freedom to use bitcoin and no one controls it, so institutions are free to own and use bitcoin in their own way, and if they want to sell it in the short term, that is their right and must accept whatever happens.
and they are the owners of a large number of bitcoins influencing the market movement and they are great and smart people, and nobody knows what they have planned for the future.
and I personally can only take advantage of the best opportunities and moments to get big profits and re-plan according to what they plan and the good news about bitcoin adoption in the future and don't want to be left behind to make a profit.

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Quote from: jonval21 on April 04, 2021, 06:35:45 PM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?

Definitely a risk. Institutions hold a big amount of Bitcoin and yes that is a good factor for the increase of Bitcoin price, however, with a huge amount holding it can be a huge impact on the market as well if they decided to sell off or to take profit. They are not gonna let their holding sit in their wallet for it a long time that is why it would be a big impact once they sell. To put it simply institutional investors are a double-edged sword, it can be beneficial and harmful at the same time.

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I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

One of the biggest risks that I see for institutions is that they may suffer a Ransonware attack, if this happens it would cause an unreal massive dump, it could radically lower the price, most companies do not take computer security into account, if they use a Ledger is likely to have some security but there are many vulnerabilities, perhaps it is a minimal possibility that happens but you have to consider it, don't you think?

This made me laugh as you obviously have no idea of how custody in the institutional world works. Do you really think they have online exposure of wallets that makes them a potential ransomware aim? Ledger? Only one?
Jeez, man. You have no idea what these guys have put in place.

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I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

In my opinion, the great interest and recognition by the institutions of the crypto world and Bitcoin in particular is very good news.
But, from the point of view of retailers who have small capital, this may be not so good news, because institutions that invest millions (or even more) in Bitcoin can then affect the price of Bitcoin on exchanges with various speculations and supply, and so on.

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Quote from: CarnagexD on April 04, 2021, 05:57:22 PM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

One of the biggest risks that I see for institutions is that they may suffer a Ransonware attack, if this happens it would cause an unreal massive dump, it could radically lower the price, most companies do not take computer security into account, if they use a Ledger is likely to have some security but there are many vulnerabilities, perhaps it is a minimal possibility that happens but you have to consider it, don't you think?

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These private entities and institutions buying and holding huge amounts of bitcoins are a double-edged sword. For one, they can and they will pump the price up by buying significant amounts of the cryptocurrencies and then holding it, more people will follow them and this will induce price increase. However, the same could also happen when these institutions dump their savings, which could mean imminent death for bitcoin and starvation for us.

if in case they will dump, they should have good reasons why they will do so. because dumping means, they dont believe anymore in this market. or in other scenario, they are manipulating the market just to get as much profit as they can. however, to do that, all these institutions should unite with their movement to make an impact in the market. and that i believe, is hard to achieve. each institution has their own goals why they are investing in crypto, and more then likely, they have their own 'secret' plans how to manage their crypto assets.
definitely, there are risks involved if in the future most bitcoins will be on the hands of these big companies. however, thinking about that, you will just wear yourself for nothing. right now, just take care of your own business and go from there...

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These private entities and institutions buying and holding huge amounts of bitcoins are a double-edged sword. For one, they can and they will pump the price up by buying significant amounts of the cryptocurrencies and then holding it, more people will follow them and this will induce price increase. However, the same could also happen when these institutions dump their savings, which could mean imminent death for bitcoin and starvation for us.

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That just means that as they accumulate a lot more bitcoin they will be able or there will be a lot more manipulation in the market which is a bad thing for the bitcoin community.

It's an easy profit if we hold our bitcoin with a strong hand because bitcoin for sure will be overpriced in the future, we just need to be the one who selling our bitcoin when the time comes.

If they sell a huge volume of bitcoin it could easily dump the market and then just buyback, potentially could be a pump and dump thing or scheme by this institution and companies.

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It's possible that holding bitcoin is at risk because there are too many big institutional investors that will I guess will dump soon their assets and cut their gains while we are suffering from the recent drop. I guess that will not give a big impact on the market even there are 3-5 institutional investors selling their assets at a time. If there is a seller, there would be also a buyer, and that is a new investor.

I guess there's nothing to worry on this situation because as I can see, there are too many believers of bitcoin that now holding bitcoin and they hold it for a long time.

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Quote from: DarkDays on April 04, 2021, 01:56:41 PM

Perhaps these institutions with strong financial power are sharks in the crypto market and they are manipulating part of the market.
I think these institutions will not hold BTC for long, as long as they are profitable they will leave, perhaps then there will be a sharp decline.

You may be right or may be wrong but we can't do anything about it if they suddenly plan to sell their Bitcoin since it's their money in the first place. But, you don't need to worry because I don't think they have to easily throw their investment just because they saw a slight profit in this market.

But think about it, why Elon Musk and others large institutional investors are starting to invest in Bitcoin today instead of doing it last 2017 bull market? There could be some reason about it but why should I care when I am just a small fish in the sea compared to these sharks. Cheesy

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I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

This is the fine line between institutions holding large amounts and also temporarily helping the market price when buying. The latter could also translate into more of a domino effect whereby other institutions would follow suit. This would be good for the crypto but only if the amounts bought up don't influence the market. Often, arguments against crypto come in the form that large companies would have control over the market. This could easily happen and we need to come up with something to prevent that from happening, we need more decentralisation...

This is a free market which means it cant really be avoided if these big institutions or company would really tend to baghold lots of bitcoin into their stashes.

Yes, it would really be a double edge sword where it can really affect the market positively but at the same time when it comes to monopoly aspect then we would really be heading there
if these will continue.

Those holders in bigger portions would really have the control when it comes to price movement but i doubt that it wont really be that much of an issue.
This isnt something that we can see on centralized markets.

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The market is highly volatile and risk feasts here instantly. Institutions are the big clients of bitcoin, they hold a big percentage of BTC and their holding time is much towering. When they trade in the market then there come a lot of changes in pricing.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on April 04, 2021, 09:56:06 AM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

This is the fine line between institutions holding large amounts and also temporarily helping the market price when buying. The latter could also translate into more of a domino effect whereby other institutions would follow suit. This would be good for the crypto but only if the amounts bought up don't influence the market. Often, arguments against crypto come in the form that large companies would have control over the market. This could easily happen and we need to come up with something to prevent that from happening, we need more decentralisation...

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To be honest this is something that we should worry about, and I wasn't aware of it. I am not expecting any institutional investors will take a stupid decision by offloaded their holding at a time. Because they should know about the risk that would happen after mass sell. Personally, I believe they are very clever and that's why they are accumulating Bitcoin. If they hold for years, there will be many new investors who would make a balance Bitcoin price. But I have to admit, anything would happen in crypto, we can just speculate, we don't know what will happen in the real situation.

If you look how these institutional investors manipulate the stock market then you will understand how easy it is for them to manipulate the cryptocurrency market and even with rules and regulations set to overcome these manipulation these institutional investors will always find a loop hole in the foreign investment policies of different countries and they are the ones that trigger the correction when they book the profit at once and you can expect the same in the bitcoin market as well.

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Quote from: roosbit on April 04, 2021, 09:21:02 AM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

You will have to be very careful while looking for such services, there are lots of scammers these days and most of the sites like this can disappoint. You can make use of Greyscale like some have said, but I know for sure that they are not going to accept you if you’re not an accredited investor; you must be earning over $200,000 and have over $5 million in liquid assets.

It is always best that you manage your cryptocurrency assets by yourself, you can just HODL if you don’t have the time to be trading, just put them in a hardware wallet like Trezor and hold them till price goes up to the level you want. Or if you’re in need of an account manager that will be trading it daily for you, if that’s what you need, you can look for a trusted expert around you, one that you can keep an eye and then be paying a percentage to them.

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The thing that comes to my mind with institutional investors having a big share of the bitcoin pie is control! Bitcoin being unregulated it's very easy for these guys to manipulate the markets to push out retail traders, if not that they can choose to dump their coins and crash the markets....but that's one side of the coin.

On the other side we could see these guys make the crypto markets less volatile as they would dump less, but whatever we do we need some institutional presence.

Their presence makes more people to gain interest, with those very well known personalities around,

the attracting sides of this market is very high, it's good in the other side while there's also bad sides as you point it out, control if been given to

those institutional investors, they can easily change the directions and the momentum to whatever they choose.

Also, the point that we need those kind of investors to support the market is for real, with them volatility might be lessen
as they are willing to catch those cheap coins and keep it till it reached their targets.

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Perhaps these institutions with strong financial power are sharks in the crypto market and they are manipulating part of the market.
I think these institutions will not hold BTC for long, as long as they are profitable they will leave, perhaps then there will be a sharp decline.

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as long as they keep those BTC out of the market I don't care.
A noteworthy demand shock is being created, as both small holders and large holders are respectively increasing their positions and this shortage of BTC in the market contributes to the fact that the price can't go much lower. On the contrary, the upward pressure is increasing.
Let the institutional players get in then, what's the matter?

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If institutions are interested in long-term hodling and their share is indeed increasing (it's unclear whether this trend will persist), it's possible that the price will become more stable. I don't see anything problematic about smaller volatility of Bitcoin, I think it would be beneficial for those actually trying to adopt it as payment. But I'm not sure that the share held by institutions will keep increasing and that the institutions will only be interested in the long-term profit, so overall I don't see reasons to believe that the market is going to change significantly just yet.

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To be honest this is something that we should worry about, and I wasn't aware of it. I am not expecting any institutional investors will take a stupid decision by offloaded their holding at a time. Because they should know about the risk that would happen after mass sell. Personally, I believe they are very clever and that's why they are accumulating Bitcoin. If they hold for years, there will be many new investors who would make a balance Bitcoin price. But I have to admit, anything would happen in crypto, we can just speculate, we don't know what will happen in the real situation.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 30, 2021, 04:23:14 PM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

Depend on your analyst actually, like me who made this situation as a chance to gain profit for short term investment. Yeah, I'll have a prediction maybe will be different from another people there who choose long term investment just because they will think that instutional investor will make bitcoin more popular than before.

But, I just have a little think that instutional investor is quite dangerous especially at this situation. I mean, we are in pandemic where almost economic situation in this world is bad enough. So as they will find a temporary place to store their money rather than to store their money in fiat which is vulnerable to inflation. When the situstion is back to normal then there will be a chance for them to take their money back and make bitcoin price fall again.

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The thing that comes to my mind with institutional investors having a big share of the bitcoin pie is control! Bitcoin being unregulated it's very easy for these guys to manipulate the markets to push out retail traders, if not that they can choose to dump their coins and crash the markets....but that's one side of the coin.

On the other side we could see these guys make the crypto markets less volatile as they would dump less, but whatever we do we need some institutional presence.

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^ Yes, there could be a risk on the market price because they holding a big amount that anytime they will sell it at once and may have an impact on BTC price. Big investors like big institutions are considered as also whales but they don't have regularly playing the market, the most afraid is when they are all the same in the mind of selling their BTC. I don't know what will happen if most of them believe in FUD and do panic selling, BTC price will probably crashing out that causes a sudden dump. Nevertheless, in my mind thinking that it is impossible to happen, we are already in the middle in the mainstream, and BTC price keep growing.

The same can happen with large-scale individual investors who are holding large stash of Bitcoin. So why selectively point out the institutions? IMO, the bigger risk comes from individual investors. Institutional investors can afford to hold Bitcoin for 5 years or more. But that may not be the case with many of the individual investors. They may face financial difficulties and may need to liquidate their holdings in a short period of time. Therefore I would say that investment from institutions will help in reducing the volatility of Bitcoin.

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It is said on the article that institutions and retail buys are balanced, for now it isnt a big risk. However, when institutions start to buy loads of bitcoins, the holdings that they have would be a potential risk to the bitcoin market and that it would result to rehypothecation. Ben lilly even said that he is worried that rehypothecation will take place off the blockchain. It's the non-transparent entities selling or lending the same piece of collateral twice. This type of behavior is what leads to vulnerabilities

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Yes, there is a risk, there is always a risk in hodling a bitcoin, especially those institutional investors as they have bought a huge amount of bitcoin, they are also considered as one of those whales because of hodling that amount, so they may also affect the value of the bitcoin in the future, for sure they will hodl it for years because that is what institutional investors are used to it unlike to those investors who can hold their bitcoin for years because of some personal reasons.

Quote from: best123 on April 03, 2021, 02:11:27 AM

Institutions are part of the increased in price we are experiencing today. It is not bad about it. Bitcoin is for everyone. They will manage their asset (Bitcoin) but not yours.

That is true, that is why we are still in the bull run, those institutional investors have a really big impact on the value of bitcoin. Yeah, nothings say that bitcoin is not for everyone, people who want to explore and buy bitcoin are free to do it.

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^ Yes, there could be a risk on the market price because they holding a big amount that anytime they will sell it at once and may have an impact on BTC price. Big investors like big institutions are considered as also whales but they don't have regularly playing the market, the most afraid is when they are all the same in the mind of selling their BTC. I don't know what will happen if most of them believe in FUD and do panic selling, BTC price will probably crashing out that causes a sudden dump. Nevertheless, in my mind thinking that it is impossible to happen, we are already in the middle in the mainstream, and BTC price keep growing.

I don't think that institution is that careless when it comes to selling their asset. Remember they are here to make profit not destroy their possible source of income. So I guess having institutions getting into the game simply means a more intelligent decision on the market is at hand since they have to consider a lot of factors that a single person does not necessarily think of when it comes to cashing out their holdings.

- Agree, when determining participation in a certain project, organizations always need to very closely monitor their investment, their decisions may affect the future of so many people, they will not play around and engage based on emotion here, damaging bitcoin is definitely impossible, they can even further stimulate the value of bitcoin based on the amount of capital they own. The only thing that I and many people feel insecure about is our selves, large organizations always show great control over the market, wrongly guessing their thoughts, holding bitcoin will become more dangerous for us.

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The risks for the individuals are also valid for the institutions also. But there is no doubt that these companies are already aware of it and their aim is to make investments for a long-term. We can name them as "whales" also. Their impact on the market is really too big. We are talking about million-dollar and even billion-dollar investments in the end.

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Institutions are part of the increased in price we are experiencing today. There is not bad about it. Bitcoin is for everyone. They will manage their asset (Bitcoin) but not yours.

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Is is a positive thing that there are now more people participating in bitcoin. The risk from big institutions holding so much could be that we see wealth concentration which could lead to a certain level of centralization. Eventually these institutions might use BTC to pay off their debts or as payment and we will see better distribution. Right now these concerns are just a possibility of what could happen but it is not an immediate threat.

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What is the risk there when it's obvious that every business is under the conditions of risk, using billions into cryptocurrency that it will hold for future purpose, the gravity of it's risk is equal to the level of risk of finance use to adventure into any order businesses, so the institutions of holding Bitcoin or other cryptocurrency should be consider as a factors that is making Bitcoin to go further more than our expectations, so in summary since it's noticeable that many companies are coming into cryptocurrency more especially Bitcoin.

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Any person or company that is holding a Cryptocurrency is already at a risk. I mean just holding one is already a gamble. So for a company like this, that stakes a huge amount of money is already risking it. But for sure they have plans for why did that and they have teams and experts that have brainstormed what their plan will be.

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Yes, there's a big risk if they're holding a big amount of bitcoin but yes there's a big possibilities to them to earn big and make their future better, the only things they need to do is to believe that bitcoin is the gate of success but patience is the key to reach that success.

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I don't think institutions holding Bitcoin are anything to worry about. Because pump and dump has often happened to Bitcoin, so if there is
an institution that sells all the Bitcoin it owns. Then there will be new institutions that buy Bitcoin, after all, there is not only one institutions
holding Bitcoin. And I believe all institutions that hold Bitcoin may not sell Bitcoin at the same time, so I am not worried about the many institutions
holding Bitcoin.

You may not worry now but when there is more institutional money coming in to buy bitcoin and hodling then and there you are going to see that it is a bad thing for the individual investors, pump and dump is not going to be an effective strategy anymore because most people knows that whenever there is a dump, they can just hold it out and wait for the price to bounce back or buy more bitcoin at lower price and hodl. The problem with more institution hodling their bitcoin while accumulating more is that they can contribute to the rise of the price which can gatekeep some individual investor.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 30, 2021, 04:23:14 PM

^ Yes, there could be a risk on the market price because they holding a big amount that anytime they will sell it at once and may have an impact on BTC price. Big investors like big institutions are considered as also whales but they don't have regularly playing the market, the most afraid is when they are all the same in the mind of selling their BTC. I don't know what will happen if most of them believe in FUD and do panic selling, BTC price will probably crashing out that causes a sudden dump. Nevertheless, in my mind thinking that it is impossible to happen, we are already in the middle in the mainstream, and BTC price keep growing.

They will never to panic sell mate. They are the reason bitcoin is holding it's current position. Institutional investors are those who want highest possible rate for their holdings. They are big game players and do not want 50K, 60K! They are dreaming of 100K and plus for the bitcoin. Institutions know that if they start selling then rest of the market will also do panic sell thus changing the whole math of their plan.

It's like if they are able to hold the bitcoin at highest prices then they could possibly destroy it too. However, they won't because they are staking bigger amounts which they dont wanna loose in the process.

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Institution buy btc and hold, 'it is a risk' individuals buy btc and hold, 'it is a risk' (whales and the likes) which means this is an inevitable case which the btc community must have to accept,
it is already too late to expect even distribution, there is always going to be some party having a larger share of the supply than others,
This can't be balance, if we want Institutional investors to be part of the space then this is some of the consequences of their involvement I presume.

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I don't think institutions holding Bitcoin are anything to worry about. Because pump and dump has often happened to Bitcoin, so if there is
an institution that sells all the Bitcoin it owns. Then there will be new institutions that buy Bitcoin, after all, there is not only one institutions
holding Bitcoin. And I believe all institutions that hold Bitcoin may not sell Bitcoin at the same time, so I am not worried about the many institutions
holding Bitcoin.

yeah right, there's always someone who will willing to absorbed those sold coins, and vice versa.

We should always aware ourselves to whatever position we took from this venue of investment, the

more you understand the more you can easily position yourself.

Quote from: Kittygalore on April 02, 2021, 11:46:18 PM

It is definitely risky for retail investors when institutional investors get in because they can do a hodl of their bitcoin for a really long time and comes with that is it raises the prices that might dishearten upcoming retail investors from investing because they won't be getting a lot of bitcoin value for the money that they are going to invest in, the only thing that I can think that can entirely negate this risk is for retail investors to get in right now, right now that the prices are still manageable and you can still get more value.

The earlier the better, who knows what inside the minds of those institutional investors. It's difficult

to predict what future awaits to this industry, the system is now being eyed by many institutional

investors, with them there's always the huge change that might happened.

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It is definitely risky for retail investors when institutional investors get in because they can do a hodl of their bitcoin for a really long time and comes with that is it raises the prices that might dishearten upcoming retail investors from investing because they won't be getting a lot of bitcoin value for the money that they are going to invest in, the only thing that I can think that can entirely negate this risk is for retail investors to get in right now, right now that the prices are still manageable and you can still get more value.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 30, 2021, 04:23:14 PM

^ Yes, there could be a risk on the market price because they holding a big amount that anytime they will sell it at once and may have an impact on BTC price. Big investors like big institutions are considered as also whales but they don't have regularly playing the market, the most afraid is when they are all the same in the mind of selling their BTC. I don't know what will happen if most of them believe in FUD and do panic selling, BTC price will probably crashing out that causes a sudden dump. Nevertheless, in my mind thinking that it is impossible to happen, we are already in the middle in the mainstream, and BTC price keep growing.

I don't think that institution is that careless when it comes to selling their asset. Remember they are here to make profit not destroy their possible source of income. So I guess having institutions getting into the game simply means a more intelligent decision on the market is at hand since they have to consider a lot of factors that a single person does not necessarily think of when it comes to cashing out their holdings.

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Quote from: cabron on March 30, 2021, 09:53:58 PM

They will sell and could crash the market very deep and for a long time but I'm not seeing it happen very soon as the USD is also deflating. Institutions are just too rich though and when they buy again for low prices, there's going to be a lesser supply for retail inventors. The risk is when they could stabilize the price of BTC in the future, it ain't going to be good for retail investors anymore.

That is exactly my point, yes they can do it if they want but are they going to crash the market just for fun and lose a fortune in the process? That is incredibly doubtful, they are going to do everything to sustain the price of their investment, similar to what we have seen with the whales doing over the years, so unlike others I do not see as much risk as other people do but it is without a doubt something that must be monitored in the case it actually happens.

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Quote from: ampu on April 01, 2021, 11:57:15 AM

The biggest risk when institutional investors hold Bitcoin is they sell off their Bitcoins together and buy them back at a lower price. Bitcoin has had many strong increases and decreases in price, so as long as Bitcoin falls in price, someone will buy them in bulk. One look at the figures shows that each discount is each time someone collects Bitcoin in large quantities.

Institutions are also whales and use the same tricks to maximize their earnings in the market. What the common investors should do is to not follow their actions or act impulsively.

Quote from: ampu on April 01, 2021, 11:57:15 AM

Many institutions invest in Bitcoin and I don't think they will sell off bitcoin at the same time to devalue. If we do the same, not all organizations will benefit from it.

I agree. If whales are going to sell, just don't sell your btcs, otherwise, as you said, these big investors will buy another investors' coins in large bulks, increasing their own shares and excluding another potential investors from making profit through bitcoin price's increasements on long run.

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As long as bitcoin has a pump dump no organization can stop it when dumping starts you have to sell it without holding it the risk will be much less. The bull run in the market but not all companies sell the same way bitcoin is being used in online transactions in many countries as well as being used as storage materials its price is very high and due to the increase in price investors are getting good profit from it very fast. For this reason in many countries private organizations have been formed to advise on bitcoin investment while companies that hold bitcoin have risks new companies are reaching better positions.

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Quote from: shoreno on March 31, 2021, 09:56:50 PM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

I think this is a classic myth. I am saying this because for people it's not about holding one unit of BTC or holding one mBTC it's just about earning, holding & spending BTC we still are not pegging things in bitcoin. Secondly scarcity of supply is more like a myth. Until we reach 1 sat=1$ I feel it's nothing like scarcity of supply because as the demand by institutional investors would move upwards the price would increase upwards at a very similar pace therefore there is negligible risk that we might run out of BTC. Talking about the risk of Rehypothecation, as long as the investors are educated and know what bitcoin actually is chances of making rehypothecated assets is pretty low.

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The biggest risk when institutional investors hold Bitcoin is they sell off their Bitcoins together and buy them back at a lower price. Bitcoin has had many strong increases and decreases in price, so as long as Bitcoin falls in price, someone will buy them in bulk. One look at the figures shows that each discount is each time someone collects Bitcoin in large quantities.
Many institutions invest in Bitcoin and I don't think they will sell off bitcoin at the same time to devalue. If we do the same, not all organizations will benefit from it.

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institutional investors are increasingly playing a big role in the price propagation which one day they will also take profit just like everyone does. its a certainty that it will affect the market and may cause some little panic but it wont take long as usual before the market recovers.

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like i said on my previous post some institutions can sell anytime but this are the old institutions that already reach thier target but there are new institutions too so they wont sell all together therfore this dont cause heavy dips .

You can not predict when whales or institutes sell their bitcoin but two big things you can know of

- They won't invest in a few weeks or months. They are long term investors.
- They will sell but not in near future if they only invested into bitcoin in 2020.
- When they sell their bitcoin, price will be decreased because of news, analytics, drama but price of bitcoin won't be dumped to $10,000 or $20,000.
- Too low bottom price only be touched with serious drama relates to government regulations or serious stuffs in the society as the pandemic in March 2020. Fortunately, price will bounce back very powerful and governments will never be able seize bitcoin transactions, shut down the bitcoin network.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on March 31, 2021, 06:44:25 PM

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Quote from: shoreno on March 31, 2021, 05:44:57 AM

some of them can sell anytime

It has to go up more before the institutions would sell, it barely step up to break ATH yet while they are coming into crypto. they are still consolidating phase, the more BTC they hold the higher the risk will be when one day they'd start dumping. there are a lot of influencers though stating that due to the adoption right now, it may not really be a big dump if there will be a bear market. a SUPER cycle of BTC bullrun is coming so they say.

I hope that the institutions will not sell Bitcoin in the near future or I hope that institution
will not sell Bitcoin at the same time with other institutions. In order to prevent massive dumps and create panic for other institutions.

like i said on my previous post some institutions can sell anytime but this are the old institutions that already reach thier target but there are new institutions too so they wont sell all together therfore this dont cause heavy dips .

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Quote from: shoreno on March 31, 2021, 05:44:57 AM

Quote from: Shasha80 on March 31, 2021, 04:45:54 AM

Before many institutions invested in Bitcoin, Bitcoin was still a high risk asset. So I am always prepared for all the risks that will occur
if the institution will sell Bitcoin in large quantities. But I believe that investment institutions in Bitcoin for the long term, even some
institutions continue to buy Bitcoin. So I believe the institution will be holding for at least the next 5-10 years. So with many institutions
holding Bitcoin, in my opinion, it is a good thing to be able to push the price of Bitcoin to continue to rise.

true . holding bitcoin is risky because it was the popular of all crypto but being popular also makes this coin safe and i think the op is talking to instituions that invest in bitcoin and not to us non institutional investors or if what will be the effect to us whenever insitutions sold btc . there is more than one insitutions that invest in btc but they didnt do it to push the price up and some of them can sell anytime

This is what makes Bitcoin interesting, even though it is a risk of holding Bitcoin, there are still a lot of investors who buy Bitcoin. Even institutions
that must have financial advisors finally decide to buy Bitcoin. The conclusion, although risky, but because the demand is so high it makes Bitcoin
the safest choice compared to investing in other coins.

Another thing that makes institutions interested in holding Bitcoin is that the potential profit generated from Bitcoin is much higher than other
assets. So make institutions dare to take these risks, I hope that the institutions will not sell Bitcoin in the near future or I hope that institution
will not sell Bitcoin at the same time with other institutions. In order to prevent massive dumps and create panic for other institutions.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on March 31, 2021, 04:45:54 AM

Before many institutions invested in Bitcoin, Bitcoin was still a high risk asset. So I am always prepared for all the risks that will occur
if the institution will sell Bitcoin in large quantities. But I believe that investment institutions in Bitcoin for the long term, even some
institutions continue to buy Bitcoin. So I believe the institution will be holding for at least the next 5-10 years. So with many institutions
holding Bitcoin, in my opinion, it is a good thing to be able to push the price of Bitcoin to continue to rise.

true . holding bitcoin is risky because it was the popular of all crypto but being popular also makes this coin safe and i think the op is talking to instituions that invest in bitcoin and not to us non institutional investors or if what will be the effect to us whenever insitutions sold btc . there is more than one insitutions that invest in btc but they didnt do it to push the price up and some of them can sell anytime

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Quote from: shoreno on March 31, 2021, 05:44:57 AM

Quote from: Shasha80 on March 31, 2021, 04:45:54 AM

Before many institutions invested in Bitcoin, Bitcoin was still a high risk asset. So I am always prepared for all the risks that will occur
if the institution will sell Bitcoin in large quantities. But I believe that investment institutions in Bitcoin for the long term, even some
institutions continue to buy Bitcoin. So I believe the institution will be holding for at least the next 5-10 years. So with many institutions
holding Bitcoin, in my opinion, it is a good thing to be able to push the price of Bitcoin to continue to rise.

true . holding bitcoin is risky because it was the popular of all crypto but being popular also makes this coin safe and i think the op is talking to instituions that invest in bitcoin and not to us non institutional investors or if what will be the effect to us whenever insitutions sold btc . there is more than one insitutions that invest in btc but they didnt do it to push the price up and some of them can sell anytime

It has to go up more before the institutions would sell, it barely step up to break ATH yet while they are coming into crypto. they are still consolidating phase, the more BTC they hold the higher the risk will be when one day they'd start dumping. there are a lot of influencers though stating that due to the adoption right now, it may not really be a big dump if there will be a bear market. a SUPER cycle of BTC bullrun is coming so they say.

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Before many institutions invested in Bitcoin, Bitcoin was still a high risk asset. So I am always prepared for all the risks that will occur
if the institution will sell Bitcoin in large quantities. But I believe that investment institutions in Bitcoin for the long term, even some
institutions continue to buy Bitcoin. So I believe the institution will be holding for at least the next 5-10 years. So with many institutions
holding Bitcoin, in my opinion, it is a good thing to be able to push the price of Bitcoin to continue to rise.

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I would rather agree to say that institutional investors tend to invest in and hold their bitcoin over the long term. But do not rule out that they will come out slowly by selling a small portion of the bitcoin they have. It will take them a long time to sell all of the bitcoin if they don't want the market to become bearish.
Institutional investor can be seen as proponent of bitcoin stability so as not to be dump on a large scale because as long as they are willing to hold it in the long term, other investors' confidence will likely grow because of it. I believe that the risk has increased during the bull market, but that investor is a strong supporter who will influence other investor not to panic when the market correction occurs.

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Quote from: TastyChillySauce00 on March 31, 2021, 12:17:01 AM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

Institution buyers can influence the market. Because they buy and hold large quantities, they can fall the price if they sell or also give rise of they buy.
I believe for betterment of crypto, we need both retail and institutional buyers.
Soon btc will become so scarce that anyone having it will not consider selling it.

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I do not believe those institutional investments are being made aiming holding for some time and selling for profit like most individual investors do. I don't think they all can at one moment sell their bitcoins, they are smart enough not to do that. I believe they now can see the potential of bitcoin and it can be only payment method in the future. Concept of bitcoin is too good for not being ignored by big players. No central control, no middleman, no fees (almost), no footprints (almost).

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That would ruin the current price of BTC if they start to sell it at once but the price will not fell into deep again when there will be no other holders will follow their footstep. If those holders will also be sold their BTC at once, then we will gonna experience another bearish trend again which will make the price return to more than 10$ or less than that. In other words, institutions like that cannot be firm with their resolution of holding BTC if you just came up with an idea to hold your BTC just like those guys, then forget it because as soon as they see some opportunities they will grab it as fast as the sport car hitting on the free road.

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Many people concerned regarding institutional investors holding too much bitcoin and somewhat centralizing it but we shouldn't also forget that it's maybe them who make this year bullrun could hold on for long. It was game of pump and dump before and now after massive adoption and institutional investors getting in the whole crypto market grow so fast and slowly dominate the internet more specifically in term of payment method. They also won't make an amateurish step as dumping their crypto asset altogether I believe.

Well no one can tell, They might be waiting for the right timing ? since they are still buying these days and still no sign of dumping?
or they are a real investors and holders that will keep the coins for their Business use in the future and not just Pumping and dumping purposes?
no matter what they Do one this is for sure , bitcoin already reached the peak for this year and if there is a chance of dumping , Well i understand because i already made a Good amount of profit since last year up to now.

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Lately I see many people concerned about this issue. I am not worried at all. On the contrary, thanks to these institutions there is no turning back. They have put pressure on the demand side driving the price higher, they are making it easier for the masses to buy/use Bitcoin, in short, we owe the triumph in this cycle to them.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on March 31, 2021, 12:16:37 AM

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

Nope,the institutions are HODLing Bitcoins for a long term time frame,which means that they aren't interested in mass selling their BTC and crashing the Bitcoin price,which will cause them financial damage.
A way more bigger risk is how the government will treat financial institutions,that are mass buying BTC.
If the government decides to punish such institutions for buying BTC,they will try to get rid of their Bitcoins as fast as possible,which will create panic selling.

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The risk is if there is a very bad news about bitcoin resulting for thse institutions to sell all their holdings. Even one institution selling could be a big impact to bitcoin's price. This could become a catalyst for other institutions to sell also causing retailers to panic sell. Most of us invested in bitcoin because its speculated price in the future could give us big return, this is also part of the goal why those institutions invested. The question is when will they sell or what is their primary goal for investing in bitcoin.

If that were to happen, I think that these institutions will be in too deep to just abandon everything in bitcoin because they know that when they do so, they will cause waves but in the long term those waves will wane and the next price pump, they can't do anything about it because they sold everything just because of a bad news.

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Many people concerned regarding institutional investors holding too much bitcoin and somewhat centralizing it but we shouldn't also forget that it's maybe them who make this year bullrun could hold on for long. It was game of pump and dump before and now after massive adoption and institutional investors getting in the whole crypto market grow so fast and slowly dominate the internet more specifically in term of payment method. They also won't make an amateurish step as dumping their crypto asset altogether I believe.

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The risk is if there is a very bad news about bitcoin resulting for thse institutions to sell all their holdings. Even one institution selling could be a big impact to bitcoin's price. This could become a catalyst for other institutions to sell also causing retailers to panic sell. Most of us invested in bitcoin because its speculated price in the future could give us big return, this is also part of the goal why those institutions invested. The question is when will they sell or what is their primary goal for investing in bitcoin.

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I think the institutions know about the risk behind bitcoin and I am sure they already calculate and analyze the risk and know how to prevent that risk. They will not sell their bitcoin because the price is down, but they will use the moment to buy more bitcoin with their money. But we do not know who are they and how strong they can hold bitcoin because this time, the investor will be different than the previous years.

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Quote from: Wexnident on March 30, 2021, 08:47:39 PM

Quote from: Darker45 on March 30, 2021, 08:20:49 PM

How many institutional investors are actually creating innovations which would help Bitcoin be widely acceptable as a real world currency? How many of them are simply promoting Bitcoin as a way to store their wealth away from a decaying fiat? These institutions have existing businesses. Are they integrating Bitcoin into their systems?

I guess Paypals there, even though, well, it's like that. Looked around and saw that they finally implemented the direct conversion of their accepted crypto to the currency the merchant accepts.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout

Yeah, I've heard of this. This is a nice update of PayPal's policy towards crypto. I somehow expected this, but this is not yet the way we want PayPal to treat crypto. PayPal does not still allow users to withdraw and deposit crypto. PayPal does not still pay its merchants in crypto. PayPal is still a world of its own right now. PayPal crypto owners do not yet own their crypto funds.

I also heard that Tesla is now beginning to accept Bitcoin as payment.

How about the others?

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In fact, institutions are likely to be more of a stabilizing influence on the bitcoin market than retail traders, many of whom used leveraged trades and aren’t able to absorb dips to the same extent as big funds and corporations.

They can create stability to hold bitcoin down from being dumped too much by old whales.
There will always be the scare when they are selling (manipulating) knowing corporations are also keeping a huge chunk of Bitcoin or worse their share will be taken away giving them a difficult time to buy back.

I'm more worried about banks. I bet they are losing profits now when investors are switching to buying Bitcoin themselves rather than investing it in mutual funds with banks as middleman.

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Quote from: Aliceooo78 on March 30, 2021, 10:10:11 PM

Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 30, 2021, 04:23:14 PM

^ Yes, there could be a risk on the market price because they holding a big amount that anytime they will sell it at once and may have an impact on BTC price.

I don't think it possible for institutions or whales to dump their bitcoin, otherwise it's a fake news. Bitcoin is the mainstay in cryptocurrencies and definitely lucrative. they store as many bitcoin as they can to achieve wealth accumulation and we should learn from them. risk lies primarily in altcoins, not bitcoin. Grin

anyway, I'm a devour bitcoin believer and I won't let my bitcoin go. I don't care whether it's risky for institutions to hold it.

It's not even a news, rather than an assumption.

Many institutions would never want their investments in loss, that's why when there's a correction we often see institutions buy a dip and the price recover back. Even if they want to sell their Bitcoin to gain profit, they will sell some portion each day rather than sold all in one times. Otherwise, the price will crash and they can't accumulated maximum profit.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on March 30, 2021, 04:23:14 PM

^ Yes, there could be a risk on the market price because they holding a big amount that anytime they will sell it at once and may have an impact on BTC price. Big investors like big institutions are considered as also whales but they don't have regularly playing the market, the most afraid is when they are all the same in the mind of selling their BTC. I don't know what will happen if most of them believe in FUD and do panic selling, BTC price will probably crashing out that causes a sudden dump. Nevertheless, in my mind thinking that it is impossible to happen, we are already in the middle in the mainstream, and BTC price keep growing.

I don't think it possible for institutions or whales to dump their bitcoin, otherwise it's a fake news. Bitcoin is the mainstay in cryptocurrencies and definitely lucrative. they store as many bitcoin as they can to achieve wealth accumulation and we should learn from them. risk lies primarily in altcoins, not bitcoin. Grin

anyway, I'm a devour bitcoin believer and I won't let my bitcoin go. I don't care whether it's risky for institutions to hold it.

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They will sell and could crash the market very deep and for a long time but I'm not seeing it happen very soon as the USD is also deflating. Institutions are just too rich though and when they buy again for low prices, there's going to be a lesser supply for retail inventors. The risk is when they could stabilize the price of BTC in the future, it ain't going to be good for retail investors anymore.

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Institutes and their investments will be one of very solid backbones for the market growth and the bigger adoption for bitcoin. Tesla and Elon Musk are one of very latest examples for this trend.

Tesla invested into bitcoin and just a few months later, they accept bitcoin as a payment method for Tesla products. They claimed that they won't sell their bitcoin that people paid for Tesla products. Those bitcoin will be reserved as their investment besides the amount they bought and will buy more from Coinbase Premium.

If you consider Tesla is the pioneer from Big Techs, others will join the party.

As institutes and with huge capital for investments as well as strong belief in bitcoin, they will hodl their bitcoin next 8 years in minimum. They know what the deflationary era for bitcoin block rewards will be touched in which year.

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All investments certainly have their own risks. It's just that in cryptocurrency there is no investment regulatory body or supervisor, if you lose bitcoin in your wallet no one will be able to help you even if they are cyber members. This is the high risk of bitcoin.

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Institutional investors are, well, actual investors. In contrast to most of retail whereas they'd like to think they're real "investors" even though a good chunk of them don't even know what bitcoin is, besides the fact that it goes up in price; and that a good chunk of them would easily sell with just some good ol' FUD.

And sure, institutional investors will sell sometime in the future, but it would most definitely take years.

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Quote from: Bitcoin_Arena on March 30, 2021, 04:48:51 PM

Of course institutions are here to make huge profits and not really about the Idea behind Bitcoin. Don't expect them to HODL for more than 10 years minus selling at one point. We are also likely to see more manipulations as they seek to squeeze out all the little the retail traders have. It will remain to be seen what will happen during market crashes or bear market. Shall we see very steep dips due to massive selling by whales or less volatility like in currency markets or stocks?

That is to be expected, they have so much bitcoin that now they can if they want manipulate the price of bitcoin on the short term, but that is nothing new, it is not as if whales are a recent development in the market of cryptocurrencies, whales have always existed it is just that instead of having whales that were early adopters now we have huge companies but at the end of the day the results are going to be very similar to what we have today so nothing has changed in that regard.

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Well, the volatility issue has always been a risk, and I see that institutions only invested now since the general growth of Bitcoin is at a positive and compared to the bubble in 2017? Well, it's a lot more stable. Though tbh, these institutions themselves could actually destroy this stability with them holding so much of the market. Just a single dump could cause massive damage to a lot of investors, and I'd reckon a few hands would actually follow suit, dropping the market even more.

Quote from: Darker45 on March 30, 2021, 08:20:49 PM

How many institutional investors are actually creating innovations which would help Bitcoin be widely acceptable as a real world currency? How many of them are simply promoting Bitcoin as a way to store their wealth away from a decaying fiat? These institutions have existing businesses. Are they integrating Bitcoin into their systems?

I guess Paypals there, even though, well, it's like that. Looked around and saw that they finally implemented the direct conversion of their accepted crypto to the currency the merchant accepts.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/30/22357246/paypal-buy-with-bitcoin-litecoin-ethereum-crypto-checkout

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It is a risk but there is an if. I suspect that some institutions getting into Bitcoin are not really appreciating the very essence of Bitcoin. I doubt they are appreciating Bitcoin as a currency. Some of them might not even be real believers. They are mere investors. If this is true, then there is indeed a very high risk. They accumulated Bitcoin as easily as they could dump it into the market as soon as they have already created wealth out of it.

How many institutional investors are actually creating innovations which would help Bitcoin be widely acceptable as a real world currency? How many of them are simply promoting Bitcoin as a way to store their wealth away from a decaying fiat? These institutions have existing businesses. Are they integrating Bitcoin into their systems?

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And then Bitcoin becoming more of a store of value as institutions are 'out-buying' retail in a massive phase. There's a lot of advantage and disadvantage, and let's hope that they are not that foolish to dump bitcoin right away just because they made significant money already.

This bull run was fueled by them and it's hard to imagine when and what will the top because of this flow of institutional money. I say let's take this as a positive news and simply ride with them by simply holding on our precious BTC.

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Thee risk of institutions holding bitcoins can not be overemphasized as loads of institutions have turned into populatting their wallet with loads of bitcoin as what their portfolio's insignificant percentage can cover in the space will not be as insignificant as the percent age of funds spent from their coffers.

I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

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I came across this article about instituations holding bitcoin what do you think, is it a risk what is your opinion ?
https://cryptonews.com/exclusives/institutions-retail-compete-for-bitcoin-which-is-the-biggest-9695.htm

That isn't new. We are already facing that kind of risk since the beginning.

I don't think they will just dump without a reason. On the other hand, let's accept the fact that we are also getting an advantage here.

Without them, we might not feel the benefits and essence of holding coins for long.

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