Topic: RTX 3070 should offer RTX 2080 Ti level performance for $599 = Game changer? (Read 682 times)

Yes I did, waiting on drivers compatibility for 3070 to test it out.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5284393

I sometime use microcenter as the one in Patterson NJ has a 3.5% tax rate vs rest of NJ at 7%

That's so evil. I grew up buying electronics and motherboard combos at Frys back when they had those ECS combos - back again when AMD was tied with Intel haha. Credit rating my butt, as if the credit card terminal is checking your FICO at every transaction.

I stopped shopping at Frys after they retroactively changed their return policy on video cards after a sale was made back in 2017 (before ETH blew up so tons of cards sitting on shelves0. I bought 3 ASUS 1080s but only opened one and it ran so damn hot that it wasn't even suitable for gaming. Went back to Frys after 3 days and they refused to take the cards back after 1 hour fight with store manager. They said the policy on the receipt was outdated. I even asked a sales person about the return policy before buying which I do for any $100+ item. Manager said the sales person I spoke to was wrong and refused to budge, so I left on amicable terms leaving the items at the store, and called AmEx and told them about the issue. Got a chargeback (AmEx really punishes merchants) and I filed a complaint with the State department of consumer affairs. Changing terms after the fact is fraud.

It's only a matter of time before Fry's closes down. I haven't stepped foot in a Frys since that incident in 2017. I'm surprised they didn't die this year. I buy everything at Microcenter for the most part.

if you can turn 2 over with a 400 profit.

you can buy this for pretty much  free

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Gaming-Radeon-Boost-Clock/dp/B07WNSP41M/ref=sr_1_3?

Just think how tempting it is for a newegg employee to do that.

Or for a best buy employee.

or for an EVGA employee.

or amazon employee.


Frys did this to me summer of 2019 with amd ryzen 9  3900x cpu.

My credit rating is literally perfect 850 of 850 most months.
I got an order in and they said my cc was rejected due to my credit rating.

I figured it out about 30 minutes after the cancelled order.

I scream yelled shouted and told fry's I would never place an order from them again.

I then called my cc screamed yelled and shouted. Impressively they offered me 53.49 credit on my next purchase.
To make up for their error.

I was able to get the cpu 3 weeks later on a sale and get the 53.49 credit. So all in all the 3 week delay saved me about 100 dollars.  And I have still not purchased from fry's since august or july of 2019.

I think it's become quite apparent that there is a significant reselling opportunity for the 3070. Anybody who gets their hands on one won't even bother breaking the outer seals and will instead flip the card for $200 profit - that's 0.5 ETH in just 1day of work. Are you looking for benchmarks or just curious if any of the retail channels have put any cards out yet? I expect 6800xt to be out before the 3070.

Did anyone pick one up ?

That is true about the 1660s not having RTX tensor cores as wasteful space on chip. The VRAM issue is not overblown, however, as much more than a "couple" algos are in that greater than 4GB category. In fact if you look at every profitable coin for a 1060 for example, the top ones all require 6GB and even RVN just blew past the 3GB file size. So those who were short sighted to save 20% and go for the cheaper 3GB cards really payed the price on both the ETH rally and any other possible algos. If ETH goes POS before 6GB then it's won't matter as much but they're certainly not moving on that front very quickly.

Usually there is a price sweet spot in the upper midrange but GTX1600/RTX2000 series are different, the 1600s don't have the RTX premium.

I think the VRAM worries are overblown. There are only a couple of algos where 4 GB isn't enough and the ones that are growing
aren't growing that fast.

On a pure hash/$ consideration this is true. For small miners that only have 1 or 2 rigs this may be the case. For people who have massive farms there are other considerations. Each card requires a PCIe slot and also requires its own riser as well as power connector. The added space, connectors, and chance for more devices to have failures adds complexity. The 3070 will also hold it's value as a percentage of original cost better than a 1660 super will. More VRAM will also allow the 3070 to access other algos should they become more profitable than ETH.

Ultimately it depends on the goal of the miner. If I was going for straight value I think the 5600XT gives more hash/$ than the 1660S with the knowledge that resale will be much lower at the EOL.

To get the best out of your 1299$ its better to go for lower cards if you are going fully mining, I prefer buying gtx1660 super and with 1200$ you can buy up to four gtx1660 super, if you can tweak very well you will get 30 to 31 MHS per card, that's 120MHS and each cards will draw 80watt max, this is better setup than goin for rtx 3070

Has anyone been able to test this yet, anyone got their hands on an engineering sample or something. Something tells me we can simply take the RTX 3080 hashrate and calculate 3080 cuda cores minus 3070 cuda cores, then you will get the RTX 3070 hashrate. What do you think?

Hash rates are coming out...they look good.

Looks like it's going to be hard to get your hands on these cards, re-sellers are going to jack up the price.

The good news is that other cards should go "on sale"

I there's a supply shortage of gddr6x they can sell more cards by using less VRAM in each.
When the gddr6x supply builds I expect to see 3070 with 12 or 16 GB & 3080 with 16 or 20 GB
but not Ti models.

When Nvidia announced 2000 series, they said 2070 is faster than Titan XP but in real life the XP was 30% faster in Games.

So maybe 2080ti is now as fast as 3080..?

2000 series is literally just a demo tech and somehow, Nvidia bold enough to attach a price tag to that still-in-development tech and sell to the consumers. Make the consumers become their beta-tester. The number of 2000 cards is quite limited by now as Nvidia and their partners don't produce it anymore. Most in the market are just the ones in used condition now. 3000 line up with 3070 8GB VRAM and 3080 10GB VRAM is not enough for 2K and 4K resolution if it was AAA game and ultra setting. It's just another ploy from Nvidia to 'gimp' their card for another line-up, 3070ti and 3080ti with 16BG VRAM or more.

Right now, from miner's perspective, this change with the new 3000 line up only can count as 'game changer' for anyone in gaming but we will have to wait for AMD's big navi to see if they have anything to challenge Nvidia in term of p/p to meet with $499 3070 but on the same pair with 2080ti (as Nvidia claim).

If the most recent salescharts I've seen the 2000 series have been a somewhat disappointment from Nvidias viewpoint. Guess most people didn't buy into the raytracing hype as it was too weak in its first iteration. Guessing this new 3000 series will generate better sales for Nvidia going forward.

Well I was not an idiot, I knew the rtx 2xxx series would be a failure, so I have not bought any and I don't regret a bit. The only drawback about the 3080 is the lack of more memory which 10gb for me is not enough in 2 or 3 years down the line. You see with the ps5 and the new xbox, games will definitely use a lot more video memory, 4k, 8k, hdr, 10gb is bullshit from nvidia, 3080 dead on arrival hehe but I still think on buying it, yeah will likely buy a dead card hehe

The cost was paid in the RTX2000 series with a big price jump over GTX1000. RTX3000 has no price increase but double
the cuda cores. But I agree, other than the massive core count increase, there are no new features that help miners.

With the right settings, the 5600xt goes to 85w at 42mh. so you can get 80 - 84 mh with 170watts at the wall and i think the 3070 makes around 45mh max and nothing more, memspeed is not much faster and the cores does not matter.

So it's just a "min[o|e]r change" for us? 

I think it will be a "game changer" if you are playing games.  Won't be a game changer for mining.  A lot of the improvements (and cost) are due to the tensor and ray tracing cores. 

LOL

Can't judge since I haven't seen the MH/S of the new etc 3070 yet but presently rx5700 and 5700XT are the best, they are better than RTX2080Ti in mining, less energy consumption and more hashing power

2080ti and 3070 comparison

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKneUFwVkXI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2upZSyQHwNA

okay 2x amd 5600 = 550 usd to 600 usd mining eth you get 77-82 mh

burns under 230 watts in total at the wall.



1x nvidia 3070 cost 600

burns under 180 watts in total at the wall

so it saves 50 watts or 1.2 kwatts a day. 

 lets pretend it saves 2 kwatts a day that is 20 cents at 10 cent power 30 cents at 15 cent power.

and I think it will do 65 to 70 mh.

Seems like a push compared to 2 of these.

https://www.newegg.com/msi-radeon-rx-5600-xt-rx-5600-xt-gaming-mx/p/N82E16814137571?

There is a 2080ti XC on Amazon for $1299...the 3070 could be a game changer...if you can get your hands on 1 (or 6).


https://www.tweaktown.com/news/74698/geforce-rtx-3070-should-offer-2080-ti-level-performance-for-599/index.html