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May 24, 2013, 08:58:25 AM
#68
Love how you almost kept your cool answering to people who do not know the difference between a Ponzi scheme and a gambling enterprise Wink

Even though I hate to read about people's ignorance, it seems that even those uninformed comments have contributed to the popularity of this thread, and to sales.

A quick question, as far as you know, are at this point (5/24/2013) any legal issues running the plugin on a US server serving worldwide gambling audiences?

Do you have any recommendations for the server location?

Thanks

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May 22, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
#67
I love these things!
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April 10, 2013, 10:10:08 AM
#66
We just released the hosted version with several improvements over here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/run-your-own-bitcoin-gem-for-free-hosted-version-172413
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April 08, 2013, 12:36:02 PM
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How many copies have you sold ?

Without getting into the specifics, I can give you a range of more than ~10, less than ~1,000 : )
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April 08, 2013, 12:33:11 PM
#64
How many copies have you sold ?
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April 08, 2013, 09:05:35 AM
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April 04, 2013, 10:55:36 AM
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Price reduction added to main post for easy reference.
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April 03, 2013, 09:18:39 AM
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April 01, 2013, 12:08:22 PM
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Prices updated to accommodate for the rise in value of bitcoins:

Standard price from 10 btc to 7 btc: http://bc4wp.com/plugin/bitcoin-chain-plugin
New one-time-only Discounted price of 4 btc: http://bc4wp.com/plugin/zWnnR8D0Ufasdf342BAz
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March 29, 2013, 12:58:54 PM
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March 28, 2013, 04:50:46 PM
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Amazing customer service! Helped me basically set up the site. Very easy and straight forward. I would definitely recommend it! Also their advertising service at www.puppytwist.com is fast and easy to use. Again, I would definitely recommend it.

Thank you kindly for the review Vink : )
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March 28, 2013, 04:32:17 PM
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Amazing customer service! Helped me basically set up the site. Very easy and straight forward. I would definitely recommend it! Also their advertising service at www.puppytwist.com is fast and easy to use. Again, I would definitely recommend it.
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March 27, 2013, 11:06:24 AM
#56
Some of you have already realized this, but now would be a good time to start running a Chain Game while the prices are nutty : P
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March 24, 2013, 01:45:49 AM
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Discount link still valid for a little while longer: http://bc4wp.com/plugin/zWnnR8D0Ua9WvN3s2BAz
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March 20, 2013, 02:24:50 PM
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March 17, 2013, 12:42:52 PM
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Price updated (due to popular request) to 10 BTC.

1-time "however gets it first" discount link is now 5 BTC: http://bc4wp.com/plugin/zWnnR8D0Ua9WvN3s2BAz
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March 16, 2013, 09:04:17 AM
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March 15, 2013, 09:56:02 AM
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March 11, 2013, 03:21:22 PM
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March 06, 2013, 11:44:44 AM
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PM'ed ya stephwen, thanks for the interest.

Due to the number of people interested in running their own Chain Game for profit, we've decided to release a first-come-first-serve 10 btc coupon good for 1 purchase.

That means only the next single person to use this link to purchase the Chain Plugin will get the 10 btc discounted rate.

Once that purchase goes through, the link will no longer work and the normal price will be used.

Good luck, and to the winner - enjoy : )

http://bc4wp.com/plugin/zWnnR8D0Ua9WvN3s2BAz
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March 05, 2013, 10:56:56 AM
#48
Too bad I only see this thread now.
I do enjoy playing with the bitcoin gem, and I wouldn't have minded running my own version for 10 BTC  Grin
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March 05, 2013, 09:52:42 AM
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bump : )
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March 01, 2013, 10:46:39 AM
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February 28, 2013, 04:16:02 PM
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Early-bird licenses have now been sold out; thank you kindly for all you early adopters!

Instead of having the normal price be set to 65 BTC however, we've received much feedback and have decided to significantly lower the entry point to 25 BTC for access to the plugin.

Customers sites & examples can be seen in the footer of our site at http://bc4wp.com.
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February 27, 2013, 08:20:59 PM
#44
For those of you more interested in selling a product, good, or service of your own - we've just launched our new SimpleSeller plugin here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bc4wpcoms-simpleseller-wordpress-plugin-147483

FYI, there are still 2 licenses left at the 10 BTC pricepoint for bc4wp's Chain WordPress Plugin in the OP.
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February 27, 2013, 02:36:05 PM
#43
My review on the plugin:

My initial thought about the plugin, is that this could be really cool, and a good way to make money. Sure enough, my site started earning money from the first day!

The purchase process was extremely smooth. I was given access to the plugin very shortly after my payment was confirmed. Installing the plugin was the easiest thing ever. The plugin is provided in a .zip file, so I just logged into the admin panel, and used the upload plugin feature. This is where I was blown away. The setup of the plugin was breeze. As long as you follow the instructions that are included inside the plugin, you should be fine!

John (the dev) was helpful whenever I had a problem. Not only that, but he is a very honest guy. When the plugin ran into a bug, it ended up paying out twice to one of the players. When I reported this to John, he promptly patched the bug, updated the plugin, AND reimbursed me for the loss!

If you decide on whether or not to buy the plugin just based on John's level of character and honesty, you should have no reason not to make the purchase. John's a good guy, he'll take care of you! Finally, would I recommend this to someone else, as a legitimate and beneficial product? Legit? Definitely! Beneficial? If that's what you call making money!

Thanks for the review : )
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February 27, 2013, 02:17:21 PM
#42
My review on the plugin:

My initial thought about the plugin, is that this could be really cool, and a good way to make money. Sure enough, my site started earning money from the first day! The purchase process was extremely smooth. I was given access to the plugin very shortly after my payment was confirmed. Installing the plugin was the easiest thing ever. The plugin is provided in a .zip file, so I just logged into the admin panel, and used the upload plugin feature. This is where I was blown away. The setup of the plugin was breeze. As long as you follow the instructions that are included inside the plugin, you should be fine! John (the dev) was helpful whenever I had a problem. Not only that, but he is a very honest guy. When the plugin ran into a bug, it ended up paying out twice to one of the players. When I reported this to John, he promptly patched the bug, updated the plugin, AND reimbursed me for the loss! If you decide on whether or not to buy the plugin just based on John's level of character and honesty, you should have no reason not to make the purchase. John's a good guy, he'll take care of you! Finally, would I recommend this to someone else, as a legitimate and beneficial product? Legit? Definitely! Beneficial? If that's what you call making money!
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February 25, 2013, 01:27:09 PM
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February 23, 2013, 11:28:25 AM
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Regarding the plugin: I could download and activate it a few minutes after the purchasing process and get started. If you already have a webserver (preferrably with cron job support, f.e. Cpanel) and a fresh wordpress installed, the "hard" part is already over. Setting up the plugin is very convenient as it comes with a built-in tutorial which leads you through the progress step-by-step, right inside the wordpress admin environment. The instructions are detailed (including screenshots) and easy to understand.

I was surprised how smooth the plugin was running right after setup. It works just like you can see on the screenshot and on the site example. Since I did not have a lot of experience with webservers and wordpress, most of my questions, problems and time spent revolved around setting up those basics instead of the plugin, and John (presumably Anzy here) still went out of his way to help me with all of them. Most of the time he answered me within mere minutes. It was an overall very pleasant experience! It is also good to know that the plugin is being maintained and updated as well. This happens automatically inside your wordpress and gives you some additional feeling of safety.

If you are considering running such a site but have a few insecurities, this is your chance, since you will get more support here than you would expect.


Thank you kindly for the review!

As for the rest of the thread, I must have had notifications turned off by accident; seems we have quite the discussion (debate?) going on here about Bitcoin gambling sites.

While I genuinely have no interest in running one myself (I'm terrible at marketing & site design; have you noticed? : P), I do thoroughly enjoy coding things up that other folks want and fine useful. I see that there is a desire for sites like this, and understandably so - they're kinda neat.

Not that it's entirely relevant to the discussion that's developed, but if anyone has feature requests do let me know - they can be implemented that same day : )

About 2 left still at the 10 BTC price, btw.
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February 23, 2013, 04:36:37 AM
#39
I agree that riding on somebody else's idea is nothing to be too proud of, on the other hand I think having a few more of these sites is a good thing for the players who like this kind of game, since they spend a lot of time waiting for transactions or while the game is in the slow, "high" price range where the items sit idle until reset. This excludes players who only want to play with small amounts and wait for the resets to happen.
So I'll just jump right into the fray and post another site built with the plugin advertised in this thread and my experiences with it, since that's what the thread is for.

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http://www.bitcoincrown.com

Since the game is played at the cost of the person last in line and most discussion regarding these games revolves around this fact, the Bitcoin Crown seeks to soothe that person's pain as much as it can with its limited funds right now: The one who resets the crown will be refunded 20% of what he lost.

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Regarding the plugin: I could download and activate it a few minutes after the purchasing process and get started. If you already have a webserver (preferrably with cron job support, f.e. Cpanel) and a fresh wordpress installed, the "hard" part is already over. Setting up the plugin is very convenient as it comes with a built-in tutorial which leads you through the progress step-by-step, right inside the wordpress admin environment. The instructions are detailed (including screenshots) and easy to understand.

I was surprised how smooth the plugin was running right after setup. It works just like you can see on the screenshot and on the site example. Since I did not have a lot of experience with webservers and wordpress, most of my questions, problems and time spent revolved around setting up those basics instead of the plugin, and John (presumably Anzy here) still went out of his way to help me with all of them. Most of the time he answered me within mere minutes. It was an overall very pleasant experience! It is also good to know that the plugin is being maintained and updated as well. This happens automatically inside your wordpress and gives you some additional feeling of safety.

If you are considering running such a site but have a few insecurities, this is your chance, since you will get more support here than you would expect.
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February 22, 2013, 10:01:29 PM
#38
Wtfvanity, bitbears, why are you two arguing over such a simple game? Wtfvanity, if you don't like the way the game is set up, don't play. It's that simple. And bitbears, don't waste your time trying to explain it to this guy. It's not worth the energy...

Sorry about butting in like that, but I hate to read such bickering.
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February 22, 2013, 04:40:29 PM
#37
I never said arbitrarily. And that right there shows you that the site owner is the one that makes a percentage. You're a moron. But, you continue to argue I'm sure makes you think you're right. If you have the last word, you win!!!
no one ever said the site owner doesn't make a percentage. What you are trying to say is that they are the ONLY ones making a percentage.  the truth is, the site owner makes considerably less than the players.  

But you did say it could be reset at any time:
You're a stupid mother fucker <3
at least I can do basic math
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February 22, 2013, 03:37:01 PM
#36
Show us where the game was reset arbitrarily that didn't follow those conditions, and you might have a point.

How does the site owner profit from this?

1. Reset Odds

This is the most common way the site owner profits. As the chain gets higher and higher, the price naturally increases (by whatever % you set). Every so often - again at a % you can set - a purchase will trigger a reset of the chain, causing them to lose ownership of the Game Object.

Since they no longer own it, the next person to purchase it (now that it's reset to the starting price - configurable), the system never has to pay the person who triggered the reset since they don't own it any longer. In essence that means the buy price of whoever resets the Game Object is your profit.

I never said arbitrarily. And that right there shows you that the site owner is the one that makes a percentage. You're a moron. But, you continue to argue I'm sure makes you think you're right. If you have the last word, you win!!!



Let's go back over what you've said:

The Gem calls it's players owners, as in, "Current Owner of the Gem".  So, when they say "owners made 25 btc", that means that the players made 25 btc from playing.  The owner of the site has made considerably less, as he is only getting 5% of the purchase price.

Hmm, but the OP CLEARLY says how does the SITE OWNER profit

How does the site owner profit from this?

1. Reset Odds

This is the most common way the site owner profits. As the chain gets higher and higher, the price naturally increases (by whatever % you set). Every so often - again at a % you can set - a purchase will trigger a reset of the chain, causing them to lose ownership of the Game Object.

Since they no longer own it, the next person to purchase it (now that it's reset to the starting price - configurable), the system never has to pay the person who triggered the reset since they don't own it any longer. In essence that means the buy price of whoever resets the Game Object is your profit.


Let's see how this goes after a few plays. Each line is one person buying the scam, I mean gem.
1
1.1
1.21
1.33
1.46
1.61
1.77
1.95
2.15
2.37

15.95 played. The last sucker, I mean player, paid 2.37 for the gem. The chain is reset. That means, that of the 10 people, 1 lost. That is 10% of the people lost their money!!!

And, here's another kicker for you, 0.22 is made by the SITE OWNER. That's not returned to anyone. The SITE OWNER keeps it dumb ass.

If you want to talk percentages, the last sucker lost 15% of the money played in this scam, err, scenario.

You say that there was over 1 BTC in profit... come on. There wasn't 1 BTC in "profit" the last sucker payed all the first suckers.

Keep drinking your kool-aid amigo. For you, as a site owner, you need lots of players to make your house edge. That's how you make money. In the scenario above, the odds are not 95%+ that you'll win. The house edge is unknown, and the owner could change it at any time.

People will play the ponzi scheme, yes, of course. But don't lie and say it's something that it is not.
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February 22, 2013, 03:04:26 PM
#35
Those aren't the odds, those are when it's being reset. At any given time, the pyrmaid can be reset. You can't "bet" any amount you want. You pay the person in the pyramid scam exactly 1.1x what they paid and hope the game isn't reset.

That's how a ponzi scam works.
It can't and isn't reset at any time. There are specific conditions for it being reset.  For the Gem, they do an odds-based random generator, like Satoshi Dice, plus an idle time limit.  Other games, like BitBears don't have the random reset, but do have an idle time limit.

and the stats speak for themselves, less than 5% of players triggered a reset on the Gem, so 95+% didn't.

Show us where the game was reset arbitrarily that didn't follow those conditions, and you might have a point.

But, like your other points, this one is false.

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February 22, 2013, 02:00:03 PM
#34
I can't believe you think that you have a 1.1 payout at 95% odds. The house edge is what matters. If you play less than 8 statistically you'll only lose 98% of your money. If you play your game, you'll lose only 5% of your money. It's also a pyramid scam, not a game of chance based on mathematics.
Look at the payouts on the Gem.  5% lost, 95% won.  Those are the actual odds of winning vs losing. The payout for the Gem is 1.1x.

So, again, show me a game where there is 1.1X payout where 95% of the people play win that payout.

You can't deny those stats.  Here are the current stats for the Gem:
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So far, the gem changed hands 299 times and reset 14 times (4.68%).
Owners made a total profit of 26.463 bitcoins.


Those aren't the odds, those are when it's being reset. At any given time, the pyrmaid can be reset. You can't "bet" any amount you want. You pay the person in the pyramid scam exactly 1.1x what they paid and hope the game isn't reset.

That's how a ponzi scam works.
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February 22, 2013, 01:29:43 PM
#33
I can't believe you think that you have a 1.1 payout at 95% odds. The house edge is what matters. If you play less than 8 statistically you'll only lose 98% of your money. If you play your game, you'll lose only 5% of your money. It's also a pyramid scam, not a game of chance based on mathematics.
Look at the payouts on the Gem.  5% lost, 95% won.  Those are the actual odds of winning vs losing. The payout for the Gem is 1.1x.

So, again, show me a game where there is 1.1X payout where 95% of the people play win that payout.

You can't deny those stats.  Here are the current stats for the Gem:
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So far, the gem changed hands 299 times and reset 14 times (4.68%).
Owners made a total profit of 26.463 bitcoins.
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February 22, 2013, 12:41:29 PM
#32
In the very first post, it is said that the house, can restart the game at any time. The house takes the profit in that case. If it's just reset, everyone else is paying for it.
For what game, this one?  Cause none of the others say that.

95% winners at a 1.1% payout? How about Satoshi dice. The house edge is 1.9% and you pick your odds and keep playing. That's a real game of chance like a casino, not a pyramid scam.

Don't worry, you'll hit odds and statistics once you hit high school. It will make sense.
Let's see, SD's odds for 1.1x payout are between 85% and 91%.  At 91%, it is 1.07x payout. Did you study basic math in high school?  91% is less than 95%



So, I'll say it again, find a game with better odds vs payouts.  95% at 1.1x payout is excellent.

I can't believe you think that you have a 1.1 payout at 95% odds. The house edge is what matters. If you play less than 8 statistically you'll only lose 98% of your money. If you play your game, you'll lose only 5% of your money. It's also a pyramid scam, not a game of chance based on mathematics.
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February 22, 2013, 10:25:02 AM
#31
In the very first post, it is said that the house, can restart the game at any time. The house takes the profit in that case. If it's just reset, everyone else is paying for it.
For what game, this one?  Cause none of the others say that.

95% winners at a 1.1% payout? How about Satoshi dice. The house edge is 1.9% and you pick your odds and keep playing. That's a real game of chance like a casino, not a pyramid scam.

Don't worry, you'll hit odds and statistics once you hit high school. It will make sense.
Let's see, SD's odds for 1.1x payout are between 85% and 91%.  At 91%, it is 1.07x payout. Did you study basic math in high school?  91% is less than 95%



So, I'll say it again, find a game with better odds vs payouts.  95% at 1.1x payout is excellent.
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February 22, 2013, 09:30:22 AM
#30
You still don't get it do you. The reason 95% of them won anything, was because the 5% lost it. The 25 btc didn't appear out of thin air. The 5% paid it to the "winners" It's a ponzi scheme. The last one holding the gem, loses. It's not a way for people to make money with btc, it's a thinly veiled pyramid scam.
you still don't get it, for there to be a winner at ANY gambling game, someone has to lose.  What you just described could be said for every casino and gambling game on the planet.

You think casinos are handing out winnings out of their own pockets?  No, they are giving winners a portion of the proceeds from the losers. 

Show me a game where there are less than 5% losers.  95% winners is a good rate for 1.1x payout.

In the very first post, it is said that the house, can restart the game at any time. The house takes the profit in that case. If it's just reset, everyone else is paying for it.

95% winners at a 1.1% payout? How about Satoshi dice. The house edge is 1.9% and you pick your odds and keep playing. That's a real game of chance like a casino, not a pyramid scam.

Don't worry, you'll hit odds and statistics once you hit high school. It will make sense.
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February 21, 2013, 11:06:49 PM
#29
Your implication that everyone who buys the gem is 'buying the gem' is not accurate. Some might be more interested in the advertising than the gem. Advertising is usually bought expecting a sunk cost but some other benefits such as traffic, etc.
that's a good point
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February 21, 2013, 10:55:55 PM
#28
for there to be a winner at ANY gambling game, someone has to lose.

Your implication that everyone who buys the gem is 'buying the gem' is not accurate. Some might be more interested in the advertising than the gem. Advertising is usually bought expecting a sunk cost but some other benefits such as traffic, etc.
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February 21, 2013, 09:47:18 PM
#27
You still don't get it do you. The reason 95% of them won anything, was because the 5% lost it. The 25 btc didn't appear out of thin air. The 5% paid it to the "winners" It's a ponzi scheme. The last one holding the gem, loses. It's not a way for people to make money with btc, it's a thinly veiled pyramid scam.
you still don't get it, for there to be a winner at ANY gambling game, someone has to lose.  What you just described could be said for every casino and gambling game on the planet.

You think casinos are handing out winnings out of their own pockets?  No, they are giving winners a portion of the proceeds from the losers. 

Show me a game where there are less than 5% losers.  95% winners is a good rate for 1.1x payout.
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February 21, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
#26
You really don't get it do you? You know what, I've got a bridge to sell you. PM me... I'll make it cheap.

No, the confused one here is you.  I own one of these games, I know exactly what it makes and what the players make.  The players make double what I make.

Typically, we have 1 loser for every round and several winners.  Even on BitCoin Gem, they have 5% of the players lose, 95% win.

The Gem calls it's players owners, as in, "Current Owner of the Gem".  So, when they say "owners made 25 btc", that means that the players made 25 btc from playing.  The owner of the site has made considerably less, as he is only getting 5% of the purchase price.

Regardless, people like it and have fun playing it.  Every gamble has to have losers.  These games have less losers and more winners than almost every other gambling site out there.  And the odds vs payouts are far better than just about anything else, too.

So, stop hating, and let people do what they want.  

You still don't get it do you. The reason 95% of them won anything, was because the 5% lost it. The 25 btc didn't appear out of thin air. The 5% paid it to the "winners" It's a ponzi scheme. The last one holding the gem, loses. It's not a way for people to make money with btc, it's a thinly veiled pyramid scam.
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February 21, 2013, 06:21:59 PM
#25
So now it is time for me to help the community and show how people like you are ruining it.
listen, when we need a Batman, we'll ask for it...

LMAO go learn about VCs and how the bitcoin works and stop being dumb, then maybe you can make real money like the rest of us.
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February 21, 2013, 06:08:28 PM
#24
So now it is time for me to help the community and show how people like you are ruining it.
listen, when we need a Batman, we'll ask for it...
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February 21, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
#23
You really don't get it do you? You know what, I've got a bridge to sell you. PM me... I'll make it cheap.

No, the confused one here is you.  I own one of these games, I know exactly what it makes and what the players make.  The players make double what I make.

Typically, we have 1 loser for every round and several winners.  Even on BitCoin Gem, they have 5% of the players lose, 95% win.

The Gem calls it's players owners, as in, "Current Owner of the Gem".  So, when they say "owners made 25 btc", that means that the players made 25 btc from playing.  The owner of the site has made considerably less, as he is only getting 5% of the purchase price.

Regardless, people like it and have fun playing it.  Every gamble has to have losers.  These games have less losers and more winners than almost every other gambling site out there.  And the odds vs payouts are far better than just about anything else, too.

So, stop hating, and let people do what they want.  
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February 21, 2013, 06:00:58 PM
#22
Seriously, do you even hear yourself?  "don't do anything to piss off the VCs!"  "don't make games people want to play" "you're hurting bitcoin"

What a bunch of BS.

Good design adds credibility, and you better believe VCs look at that.

You honestly have no idea about VCs LMAO This is the best quote ever LMAO I am dying LOL Some people here really don't understand that high level stuff, so I guess this is exactly why you have to rip off dumb ideas.

I tell you what, why don't you guys spend your time making really awesome sites that people will like and use and get people interested in bitcoins.  Stop wasting your time telling other people what NOT to do.

LMAO Dude you have no idea, and it is so funny cause your just a talentless dude, that obviously can't see what state bitcoin is truly in. Don't worry about me, I do what I can everyday to help bitcoin and so far I am very happy with my status in wealth and idea in bitcoins. So now it is time for me to help the community and show how people like you are ruining it.
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February 21, 2013, 05:54:16 PM
#21
People playing it didn't make 25 BTC, the people running it did. At the expensive of the ones playing the game. Do you understand how a pyrmid scheme works? No new money is created? Suckers at the end make the profit for those at the bottom and the owner of the scam.
no, the owners of the Gem, ie the players made that money.  Maybe you don't know how that game is played, but each time it is purchased, the previous owner gets their money plus 10%.

The guy at the end only pays the person before him, the owners are only taking 5%.

So, anyway, people want to play it, and people are making money with it and having fun.  What is wrong with that?

You really don't get it do you? You know what, I've got a bridge to sell you. PM me... I'll make it cheap.
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February 21, 2013, 05:49:24 PM
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The first one is an innovation the second, third and fourth are not innovation your just being a talentless rip off. I am not being the gatekeeper, but if you want bitcoins to be more mainstream this is not the way to do it. I could easily create something like this probably better than any of the ones I seen, and be extra greedy, and take away profit from you, but I don't for one reason, cause when VC's start looking around here, and they see all these people just ripping each off and not trying to build up the community, they will leave this area. Also the only reason these sites look ok, they aren't descent, is cause you all using the same layout and image LMAO. I really haven't see a bad looking bitcoin site that I went to and said well "if they don't update the UI then I can't use it", cause it is about what the site does.

This is the saddest things in bitcoins cause this is exactly what holds the community back and it is people like you that will be crying like why aren't we at $30 or $40. Cause mainstream adoption doesn't want to see sites like this. Also if you think I am hurting bitcoins with my statement then you must be destroying it with your worthless, piece of shit, talentless rip off of a site, ohhh wait you are destroying it.
well, like I said, if my one simple game is killing bitcoin, then bitcoin has no business being around. 

Seriously, do you even hear yourself?  "don't do anything to piss off the VCs!"  "don't make games people want to play" "you're hurting bitcoin"

What a bunch of BS.

I have seen a LOT of bad bitcoin sites that I do not do business with for that reason.  Good design adds credibility, and you better believe VCs look at that.

I am not crying about the value of bitcoin, just like I am not crying about what other people do with their bitcoins, and just like I am not crying about what sites people make.

I tell you what, why don't you guys spend your time making really awesome sites that people will like and use and get people interested in bitcoins.  Stop wasting your time telling other people what NOT to do.
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February 21, 2013, 05:36:05 PM
#19
People playing it didn't make 25 BTC, the people running it did. At the expensive of the ones playing the game. Do you understand how a pyrmid scheme works? No new money is created? Suckers at the end make the profit for those at the bottom and the owner of the scam.
no, the owners of the Gem, ie the players made that money.  Maybe you don't know how that game is played, but each time it is purchased, the previous owner gets their money plus 10%.

The guy at the end only pays the person before him, the owners are only taking 5%.

So, anyway, people want to play it, and people are making money with it and having fun.  What is wrong with that?
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February 21, 2013, 05:29:03 PM
#18
Ok thanks for hurting the bitcoin community, some people are not team players, and this is why innovation is stale and it will be the downfall of bitcoins. Are you happy now? And I never really agree with MPOE-PR but this time she is completely right it the dumbest idea, ever and just hurting us when VC's look at this community. It is so sad, that some people just want to be rogue players yet want the benefits of a community.

if bitcoin can be taken down by a handful of small sites like this, then it doesn't deserve to be around.

Yes, I am happy, my sites are getting traffic and business.  If it was such a dumb idea, then no one would play them.

What ever happened to the free market around here?  Now we have to consider what the gatekeepers will think before building a bitcoin site? Roll Eyes

If you don't like them, don't visit them, but don't act like they are hurting the community.  You know what hurts the community and innovation?
Ridiculous people trying to be gatekeepers of bitcoin.  Statements like you made hurt bitcoin more than anything.  

At least these sites look decent, compared to a lot of the other bitcoin sites around here.  Designs from 1996 hurt bitcoin more than these sites.

The first one is an innovation the second, third and fourth are not innovation your just being a talentless rip off. I am not being the gatekeeper, but if you want bitcoins to be more mainstream this is not the way to do it. I could easily create something like this probably better than any of the ones I seen, and be extra greedy, and take away profit from you, but I don't for one reason, cause when VC's start looking around here, and they see all these people just ripping each off and not trying to build up the community, they will leave this area. Also the only reason these sites look ok, they aren't descent, is cause you all using the same layout and image LMAO. I really haven't see a bad looking bitcoin site that I went to and said well "if they don't update the UI then I can't use it", cause it is about what the site does.

This is the saddest things in bitcoins cause this is exactly what holds the community back and it is people like you that will be crying like why aren't we at $30 or $40. Cause mainstream adoption doesn't want to see sites like this. Also if you think I am hurting bitcoins with my statement then you must be destroying it with your worthless, piece of shit, talentless rip off of a site, ohhh wait you are destroying it.
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February 21, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
#17
Bitcoin Gem (I have no affiliation with them) has posted stats on their operation:

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So far, the gem changed hands 282 times and reset 14 times (4.96%).
Owners made a total profit of 25.268 bitcoins.

So, people playing that game have profited 25+ BTC.  I think it has been around for maybe 3 weeks.  Hardly stupid and insignificant.

People playing it didn't make 25 BTC, the people running it did. At the expensive of the ones playing the game. Do you understand how a pyrmid scheme works? No new money is created? Suckers at the end make the profit for those at the bottom and the owner of the scam.
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February 21, 2013, 05:22:04 PM
#16
Bitcoin Gem (I have no affiliation with them) has posted stats on their operation:

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So far, the gem changed hands 282 times and reset 14 times (4.96%).
Owners made a total profit of 25.268 bitcoins.

So, people playing that game have profited 25+ BTC.  I think it has been around for maybe 3 weeks.  Hardly stupid and insignificant.
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February 21, 2013, 05:18:55 PM
#15
Ok thanks for hurting the bitcoin community, some people are not team players, and this is why innovation is stale and it will be the downfall of bitcoins. Are you happy now? And I never really agree with MPOE-PR but this time she is completely right it the dumbest idea, ever and just hurting us when VC's look at this community. It is so sad, that some people just want to be rogue players yet want the benefits of a community.

if bitcoin can be taken down by a handful of small sites like this, then it doesn't deserve to be around.

Yes, I am happy, my sites are getting traffic and business.  If it was such a dumb idea, then no one would play them.

What ever happened to the free market around here?  Now we have to consider what the gatekeepers will think before building a bitcoin site? Roll Eyes

If you don't like them, don't visit them, but don't act like they are hurting the community.  You know what hurts the community and innovation?
Ridiculous people trying to be gatekeepers of bitcoin.  Statements like you made hurt bitcoin more than anything. 

At least these sites look decent, compared to a lot of the other bitcoin sites around here.  Designs from 1996 hurt bitcoin more than these sites.
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February 21, 2013, 04:21:19 PM
#14
This nonsense just won't die, will it.

PEOPLE STOP DOING THIS SORT OF CRAP.

This is not useful. This is not smart. This is not what Bitcoin is for or what Bitcoin is about. This reflects poorly on you, for having done it, on you, for pushing it, on you, for using it. Don't do it, don't push it, don't use it. IT IS STUPID.

Stop wasting your time doing things you know are stupid in the hopes they'll make you rich. They will not make you rich. It's not a matter of you having "a chance" of becoming rich though doing something stupid. There is, literally, absolutely, no chance. Anyone can do something stupid, that's what stupid means. Adding more spam on top of stupid does not improve your chances. It doesn't lower them either, seeing how they're already zero, but that's besides the point.

Man, get off it.  People want to do this, let them.  People want to play these games, let them.

If you don't want to play or don't want to make a site like this, then don't.

Yes, this is what bitcoin is for, too. Bitcoin is for people to do want they want to do and have a method of money transaction that supports it.  The thought that bitcoins is only "for" things that you approve of is laughable.

Quit giving us the lecture every day about how these ideas are less valid because they didn't follow your "formula for success". These sites have as much right to exist as anything.

Last time I checked, gambling was one of the biggest parts of the bitcoin economy.

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Do something smart with your time and energy. At least that way even if you fail you'll have something to show for it.
You should take your own advice and just ignore things you don't approve of.  And for God's sake, hire a designer for your site.  You're making Bitcoin look bad...   Grin


*  just for the record, I am not associated with this plugin or anything

Ok thanks for hurting the bitcoin community, some people are not team players, and this is why innovation is stale and it will be the downfall of bitcoins. Are you happy now? And I never really agree with MPOE-PR but this time she is completely right it the dumbest idea, ever and just hurting us when VC's look at this community. It is so sad, that some people just want to be rogue players yet want the benefits of a community.
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February 21, 2013, 03:36:58 PM
#13
This nonsense just won't die, will it.

PEOPLE STOP DOING THIS SORT OF CRAP.

This is not useful. This is not smart. This is not what Bitcoin is for or what Bitcoin is about. This reflects poorly on you, for having done it, on you, for pushing it, on you, for using it. Don't do it, don't push it, don't use it. IT IS STUPID.

Stop wasting your time doing things you know are stupid in the hopes they'll make you rich. They will not make you rich. It's not a matter of you having "a chance" of becoming rich though doing something stupid. There is, literally, absolutely, no chance. Anyone can do something stupid, that's what stupid means. Adding more spam on top of stupid does not improve your chances. It doesn't lower them either, seeing how they're already zero, but that's besides the point.

Man, get off it.  People want to do this, let them.  People want to play these games, let them.

If you don't want to play or don't want to make a site like this, then don't.

Yes, this is what bitcoin is for, too. Bitcoin is for people to do want they want to do and have a method of money transaction that supports it.  The thought that bitcoins is only "for" things that you approve of is laughable.

Quit giving us the lecture every day about how these ideas are less valid because they didn't follow your "formula for success". These sites have as much right to exist as anything.

Last time I checked, gambling was one of the biggest parts of the bitcoin economy.

Quote
Do something smart with your time and energy. At least that way even if you fail you'll have something to show for it.
You should take your own advice and just ignore things you don't approve of.  And for God's sake, hire a designer for your site.  You're making Bitcoin look bad...   Grin


*  just for the record, I am not associated with this plugin or anything
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February 21, 2013, 12:19:46 PM
#12
This nonsense just won't die, will it.

PEOPLE STOP DOING THIS SORT OF CRAP.

This is not useful. This is not smart. This is not what Bitcoin is for or what Bitcoin is about. This reflects poorly on you, for having done it, on you, for pushing it, on you, for using it. Don't do it, don't push it, don't use it. IT IS STUPID.

Stop wasting your time doing things you know are stupid in the hopes they'll make you rich. They will not make you rich. It's not a matter of you having "a chance" of becoming rich though doing something stupid. There is, literally, absolutely, no chance. Anyone can do something stupid, that's what stupid means. Adding more spam on top of stupid does not improve your chances. It doesn't lower them either, seeing how they're already zero, but that's besides the point.

Do something smart with your time and energy. At least that way even if you fail you'll have something to show for it.
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February 21, 2013, 10:42:00 AM
#11
Available licenses at the discount rate have been updated in the OP. Only 2 left at this point, so if you're waiting to get it - now's your chance. If you have questions or concerns, feel free to post em!
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February 19, 2013, 01:58:24 PM
#10
Review:  BITCOIN CHAIN WORDPRESS PLUG-IN

The overall simplicity and design of the  bc4wp's Bitcoin Chain Plug-in is very well written.  The concept of the WordPress plug-in is similiar to other designs on other websites; however,  this was much easier to use because of the built-in instructions. The built-in help of the bc4wp's Bitcoin Chain plug-in is very unique and was done in an easy step-by-step process for someone just beginning WordPress.  The overall process easily moves you from step to step.  If you get stuck, all you have to do is go back to the built in help and review what steps you have missed using the check-off boxes.  The best instructions ever!!  The plug-in works exactly as advertised.

The sign-up procedure and the purchase of the plug-in was smooth and hassle-free.  The purchasing process was fast and efficient.  Registration was very easy with no problems.  The product was sent to me in a timely fashion.

John personally kept in contact with me for several days to make sure everything was working properly.  Because I was new to WordPress and how to use it, I asked John for his expertise in this area.  John took his personal time to help me correct my mistakes and to make a custom layout for my website.  John personally helped me to make sure that my website was up and running 100% and with no problems/issues. I am looking forward to working with and using John's products in the future and I would recommend the use of John' products to any of my friends/collegues.

--AunOMau
--RasPI

Thanks for the review : )
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February 19, 2013, 01:50:30 PM
#9
Review:  BITCOIN CHAIN WORDPRESS PLUG-IN

The overall simplicity and design of the  bc4wp's Bitcoin Chain Plug-in is very well written.  The concept of the WordPress plug-in is similiar to other designs on other websites; however,  this was much easier to use because of the built-in instructions. The built-in help of the bc4wp's Bitcoin Chain plug-in is very unique and was done in an easy step-by-step process for someone just beginning WordPress.  The overall process easily moves you from step to step.  If you get stuck, all you have to do is go back to the built in help and review what steps you have missed using the check-off boxes.  The best instructions ever!!  The plug-in works exactly as advertised.

The sign-up procedure and the purchase of the plug-in was smooth and hassle-free.  The purchasing process was fast and efficient.  Registration was very easy with no problems.  The product was sent to me in a timely fashion.

John personally kept in contact with me for several days to make sure everything was working properly.  Because I was new to WordPress and how to use it, I asked John for his expertise in this area.  John took his personal time to help me correct my mistakes and to make a custom layout for my website.  John personally helped me to make sure that my website was up and running 100% and with no problems/issues. I am looking forward to working with and using John's products in the future and I would recommend the use of John's products to any of my friends/collegues.

--AunOMau
--RasPI

http://theorb.biz
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February 17, 2013, 11:17:41 AM
#8
Updated OP with 3 more helpful questions and answers. If anybody has any, feel free to ask and I'll give the best answers I can : )

To BitBears: while we haven't sold any copies to the folks here at bitcointalk.org (that I know of), we've allowed a few others to help test it for us with excellent results. The community here is really great, but extremely (yet understandably) skeptical.
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February 17, 2013, 11:11:57 AM
#7
This is interesting.  Have you sold many copies?
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February 17, 2013, 01:53:03 AM
#6
FAQ's added and updated with some questions & answers.
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February 17, 2013, 01:14:31 AM
#5
Excellent suggestions! I hadn't though of taking it in that direction, but it definitely sounds interesting. : D
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February 16, 2013, 02:18:59 AM
#4
I think the underlying concept has a ton of potential.

For example, on the website then a content owner could have certain ad spaces for gifs or jpgs of specified sizes and destination URLs. Then advertisers could outbid each other to 'own' the space for a certain amount of time or until they are outbid. This would automate one's ad selling and introduce and auction component.

I think there needs to be a little more certainty for the advertisers as to what the cost and potential ROI will be along with terms; like expiration period, etc. If terms are well defined and the long-tail losses are eliminated then it has the potential to automatically optimize the advertising revenue. Of course, content owners would need to have the option of 'canceling' or 'approving' particular purchases (get adult, gambling, etc. type jpgs off their site if they want).

If the plugin were free, perhaps it directs a % of each purchase to a particular address?, then it could be pretty widely adopted.
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February 16, 2013, 02:03:51 AM
#4
first 5 people: 35 BTC 10 BTC
everyone else after that: 65 BTC

LMAO this is script is the real gem, you buy it for 10btcs and you hope someone uses your site LOL
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February 16, 2013, 02:03:06 AM
#3
Howdy sunnankar!

As the site owner, you're able to specify 2 particular settings that determine how often / likely the site owner gets paid (both of which can be seen in the settings screenshots above).

1. Reset Odds

This is the most common way the site owner profits. As the chain gets higher and higher, the price naturally increases (by whatever % you set). Every so often - again at a % you can set - a purchase will trigger a reset of the chain, causing them to lose ownership of the Game Object.

Since they no longer own it, the next person to purchase it (now that it's reset to the starting price - configurable), the system never has to pay the person who triggered the reset since they don't own it any longer. In essence that means the buy price of whoever resets the Game Object is your profit.

2. Purchase Delay

The other way the site owner profits is when the elapsed time since the previous purchase has expired due to no new purchases. This timeframe is configurable and acts the same way as a reset.

Hope that answered your question(s)!
legendary
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February 16, 2013, 01:56:04 AM
#2
If you have questions, concerns, whatever - either post here or on our site's contact form. Enjoy!

Pretty interesting concept. How does the site owner derive any revenue from this? Does not seem to be addressed in the FAQ.
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February 15, 2013, 10:07:14 AM
#1
Howdy there!

We've just finished developing our first (of many to come) Bitcoin WordPress plugin. This particular one was inspired by the original Bitcoin Gem script.

Demo

To see what it does instead of reading the description, view a demo here:

http://bc4wp.com/bitcoin-chain-demo/

Concept

The idea is pretty simple - visitors on your site purchase your designated Game Object (in the demo, we use a ruby) for a particular price, hoping someone buys it again after them to make a profit. At a random interval (or if no purchases happen within a timeframe), a purchase will trigger a reset and the Game Object will go back to it’s starting point.

The unfortunate soul who’s purchase triggered the reset (all publically verifiably random with math) won’t own the Game Object anymore, so whatever they paid goes to you as the site owner to keep.

This plugin is fully documented with a convenient startup wizard, and allows for near infinite customization of how you want to run your chain game. Rather than continue to write on and on about what it can do and how it’s amazing, I’ll just post screenshots for your viewing pleasure.

Screenshots

General & Setup Wizard:
http://bc4wp.s3.amazonaws.com/chain-game/screenshots/plugin_overview_and_setup_wizard.png

Chain Stages:
http://bc4wp.s3.amazonaws.com/chain-game/screenshots/chain_stages.png

Players:
http://bc4wp.s3.amazonaws.com/chain-game/screenshots/players_of_the_game.png

Purchases:
http://bc4wp.s3.amazonaws.com/chain-game/screenshots/purchase_pending_confirmation.png

Settings:
http://bc4wp.s3.amazonaws.com/chain-game/screenshots/settings_1.png
http://bc4wp.s3.amazonaws.com/chain-game/screenshots/settings_2.png
http://bc4wp.s3.amazonaws.com/chain-game/screenshots/settings_3.png

How/where to buy

To purchase this plugin, visit our site at http://bc4wp.com and add it to your cart. We use a shopping cart with Bitcoin support, registered accounts, and access keys to use inside the plugin to unlock it.

All purchased licenses can be used on an infinite number of sites.

The Price

Obviously this software is best kept in as few hands as possible, and as it’s nature is of a money-generating sort, we've priced it as follows:

first 5 people: 35 BTC 10 BTC (only 2 left now) sold out
standard price: 65 BTC 25 BTC 7 BTC

Here's a 4 BTC discount link, due to the recent price surges: http://bc4wp.com/plugin/zWnnR8D0Ufasdf342BAz

If you have questions, concerns, whatever - either post here or on our site's contact form. Enjoy!

FAQs

Does the plugin run on your own site, or hosted by bc4wp.com

The wordpress plugins we make are just that - plugins to be used inside of your own WordPress site installation. That means you can install this plugin like any normal WordPress plugin and have it work on your own remote site, completely separate from bc4wp.com's domain.

What is included in the purchase?

Other than the plugin files themselves, lifetime support of the plugin as well as updates to it are included.

Also included in the purchase is an infinite-domain license, so you can install it on as many sites as you'd like.

Can I add features to it if I want?

Technically yes, however it's best if you communicate those to us so we can implement them as options for you in newer versions. If you do custom edits to the plugin, any time we push an update it will overwrite any customizations you've made.

The theme of the public game page however can be completely themed and customized to your liking and won't be changed by any updates we push.

What is needed to get a site up and running with this plugin?

To make use of the WordPress plugin, you must first have a site running on WordPress.

There are several tutorials to do this, but in a nutshell you a) buy hosting (generally shared hosting like hostmonster/hostgator), b) upload wordpress files or use hosting company's provided 1-click install, c) add the bc4wp.com Bitcoin Chain plugin to your site either by the standard ftp method or the simpler provided "Add New" option in the plugin section of your wp-admin area.

What do I have to do to setup a wallet for this?

The easiest way is to make yourself a wallet at http://blockchain.info/ since the plugin uses their apis to handle the purchases, payments, and reset verification. While it's not neccessary to have a wallet hosted there, it's easier when it comes to the payout settings.

For the payout settings (screenshot above) you can either use your blockchain.info account credentials or provide the private hash of a non-blockchain.info wallet. The nitty gritty details can be found here of how that works: http://blockchain.info/api/blockchain_wallet_api

Do I have to run BitcoinID on my server?

Negative! I had thought about doing something like that, but it would be an unnecessary hassle. To keep the plugin as upload-n'-use friendly as possible, we use the blockchain.info api to handle the behind-the-scenes calls and data receivers.

Their api is very fast and allows us to make use of their own BitcoinID process (if that's what they use? not sure.).

How does the site owner profit from this?

1. Reset Odds

This is the most common way the site owner profits. As the chain gets higher and higher, the price naturally increases (by whatever % you set). Every so often - again at a % you can set - a purchase will trigger a reset of the chain, causing them to lose ownership of the Game Object.

Since they no longer own it, the next person to purchase it (now that it's reset to the starting price - configurable), the system never has to pay the person who triggered the reset since they don't own it any longer. In essence that means the buy price of whoever resets the Game Object is your profit.

2. Purchase Delay

The other way the site owner profits is when the elapsed time since the previous purchase has expired due to no new purchases. This timeframe is configurable and acts the same way as a reset.
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