Topic: Russia plan to use untested vaccine against the coronavirus (Read 518 times)

Europe will have clinical trials for the vaccine and will study any confounding effects. I would feel safe about a vetted European vaccine or a vaccine made in the states because of higher standards. Even if 40k participants in Russia test out the vaccine, I'm not sure what the standard of their studies are and whether or not they have any oversight agencies -- U.S. has the FDA.

 I think the United States won't get above a 50 percent bench mark in terms of vaccinations, but iirc, the CDC said herd immunity takes place any where from 40-70 percent.

I'll edit the op in a bit because I have more information and they've only started testing it on 40k people in a stage three trial. I think it's been proven that his daugher and the supreme court judge haven't been given doses of the virus.


I hope the european vaccines come with some sort of meta analysis of trials being done. I think most places are working on the same type of vaccine (with similar proteins it's meant to be fighting against on the "spiky" surface part of the virus) so we will hopefully have enough information to at least confirm its safety.

If we can get the first 2 billion doses and then 7 billion, long term immunity might not be necessary to be tested - but I don't think many people are certain for the safety of the vaccine. I think opinion polls were around 40%.

It takes at least 4 years to check for side effects from adjuvants. The very fact that they need adjuvants shows that they are not natural immunity boosters.

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

It isn't untested - it is just badly or inadequately tested.

They just test for antibodies against the synthetic virus they used for development. They don't test for damage as a result of adjuvents  that don't show up almost immediately. They don't check for "T" cell immunity in the victims they recruit, so any beneficial results could be from natural immunity. They don't check for adverse reactions as a result of the use of other vaccines or pharmaceuticals. In fact they don't test for very much, and often they weed out test victims that could skew the results against them.

Are you sure it's untested?

Are you sure it's untested?
Because, I pretty much heard over the news two days ago that it was and continues to be tested on some number of voluntary personnels and would be distributed using voluntary personnels as well.

This is going to depend on how the vaccine works. If there's a 99% chance of success the antibodies will be produced within 3 weeks, there's a chance they can wait until symptoms develop since most people don't die in the first two weeks of having symptoms afaik.

Taking a vaccine once infected isn't normally recommended unless it's a booster (for example tetinus can be taken straight after an open wound comes into contact with rust because it forces the immune system to remember the last dose it had).

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I don't understand the prospective you think vaccines don't work - a lot of them have an 80+% success rate (the flu vaccine arguably doesn't work) but you're better off looking into the process of production for the patent exempt vaccines and looking at the ingredients contained within - most are just a vitus in a pool of amine based salts.

The whole point of a vaccine is that your immune system and blood destroy everything within a few weeks. You probably pick up more dangerous stuff from walking around with a cut on your hand or walking with a blister/cut on your barefoot (something everyone's probably done).

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

I can find no good independent research that proves that vaccines are superior to natural immunity, and they seem to word by an inferior approach to mimic the natural processes.

unless you are a member of the Eton/Oxford elite, it is difficult how one can believe that membership of the failing EU can be beneficial.

I don't have you on ignore.

Although someone might have to quote me in order for Jet Cash to see it, as I think he has me on ignore (I'm pro-vaccine and anti-Brexit)

I thought they had given up on the polio vaccine because it created more cases than it cured.

Polio was once a disease feared worldwide, striking suddenly and paralysing mainly children for life. WHO is a partner in the Global Polio Eradication Initiative, the largest private-public partnership for health, which has reduced polio by 99%. Polio now survives only among the world's poorest and most marginalized communities, where it stalks the most vulnerable children. The Initiative's goal is to reach every last child with polio vaccine and ensure a polio-free world for future generations.

On rare occasions, if a population is seriously under-immunized, an excreted vaccine-virus can continue to circulate for an extended period of time. The longer it is allowed to survive, the more genetic changes it undergoes. In very rare instances, the vaccine-virus can genetically change into a form that can paralyse – this is what is known as a circulating vaccine-derived poliovirus (cVDPV).

It takes a long time for a cVDPV to occur. Generally, the strain will have been allowed to circulate in an un- or under-immunized population for a period of at least 12 months. Circulating VDPVs occur when routine or supplementary immunization activities (SIAs) are poorly conducted and a population is left susceptible to poliovirus, whether from vaccine-derived or wild poliovirus. Hence, the problem is not with the vaccine itself, but low vaccination coverage. If a population is fully immunized, they will be protected against both vaccine-derived and wild polioviruses.

Since 2000, more than 10 billion doses of OPV have been administered to nearly 3 billion children worldwide. As a result, more than 13 million cases of polio have been prevented, and the disease has been reduced by more than 99%. During that time, 24 cVDPV outbreaks occurred in 21 countries, resulting in fewer than 760 VDPV cases.

Until 2015, over 90% of cVDPV cases were due to the type 2 component in OPV. With the transmission of wild poliovirus type 2 already successfully interrupted since 1999, in April 2016 a switch was implemented from trivalent OPV to bivalent OPV in routine immunization programmes. The removal of the type 2 component of OPV is associated with significant public health benefits, including a reduction of the risk of cases of cVDPV2.

The small risk of cVDPVs pales in significance to the tremendous public health benefits associated with OPV. Every year, hundreds of thousands of cases due to wild polio virus are prevented. Well over 10 million cases have been averted since large-scale administration of OPV began 20 years ago.

Circulating VDPVs in the past have been rapidly stopped with 2–3 rounds of high-quality immunization campaigns. The solution is the same for all polio outbreaks: immunize every child several times with the oral vaccine to stop polio transmission, regardless of the origin of the virus.

lockdown not the same as pandemic

pandemic is about the negative health thing hurting people around the world
the virus is the 'negative health thing'
the lockdown is the action to surpress the negative health thing FROM OVERRUNNING hospitals

if there was no risk of a hospital overrun. there would be no lockdown
but it would still be classed as a pandemic if people around the world were getting sick enough to affect their life even if they didnt get sick enough to need hospital

if no one was getting sick. then there would be no pandemic and nothing to need immunisation against

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You have a higher chance of being killed in a car accident then dying of lung cancer / liver failure. Does that mean we shouldn't treat people who are dying of these two different causes of death/illness?
You have a higher chance of dying from one thing then of many other things. I get the reasonably healthy part, but we don't just disregard death because the person is unhealthy.

But the problem is that people aren't understanding that achieving herd immunity without a vaccine is going to cause a LOT of NEEDLESS DEATH and ILLNESS.

As I said in another thread, if you want to achieve herd immunity in a state like NY you need another 8M or so people to get COVID. That means tons and tons of people in hospitals and tens of thousands of more at risk people are going to die.

If you are a reasonably healthy person, you have way more potential of dying in a car accident than of Covid.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

So far nobody has been able to provide details of a healthy person who has died from the virus. I believe there have been Covid deaths from people that have received regular 'flu vaccinations, and who take Tylenol.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

Vaccines are the pipe dream. They kill and maim people just to enrich the pharma companies. Anyone who injects poison and disease into a healthy kid under the age of 5 should be locked up. Kids need to be exposed to millions of viruses and germs to build strong immune systems. We've evolved to handle it, so don't screw it up to give Bill Gates a few more billions.

How can a baby without an immune system benefit from having disease injected into it?

Because real virus has a potency to kill you. The power of  good vaccine is not sufficient for that. The problem is to develop such vaccine that would train body against specific virus and at the same time wouldn’t  threaten  body itself.

Because real virus has a potency to kill you.

So why not wait until you are infected with the real virus, and not some synthetic variant. That will give you better protection, and avoid the side effects.

It's training  your immune cells to recognize viruses and kill them.

I don't understand why people vaccinate themselves when they are infected.

Russia trying super hard to be a world leader with their shitty government and healthcare system. I wouldn't touch that vaccine with a 10 foot pole.

To the health staff they did give the vaccine too, it was only a small number I read. Not even remotely close to a clinical trial.

Russia trying super hard to be a world leader with their shitty government and healthcare system. I wouldn't touch that vaccine with a 10 foot pole.

To the health staff they did give the vaccine too, it was only a small number I read. Not even remotely close to a clinical trial.

The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

Isn't it a smart method? Testing stuff on other populations so you protect your, and you say your daughter tested it already so as not to make people worry. You just say she had a little fever, as they say. (At the same time their president want to be the first country to test it on a large scale, so...)
I suppose it will be considered the last trial before releasing it to the public.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

those doctors stitched in labels into their white lab coats of 'frontline' but they are not frontline doctors

Vaccines are dangerous. Even 4 or 5 year safety studies aren't enough.

If they are going to offer vaccines without safety studies, simply reduce the amounts of HCQ to 200 mg per day, and save thousands of people like they did in this video - https://altcensored.com/watch?v=otRN0X6F81c.

read the real news folks

UK done phase 1 and started phase 2 and then started phase 3 before phase 2 finished. UK also already prepped 100m doses before getting phase 2 or 3 results


russia done phase 1 and done(completed) phase 2.
it is about to start making(but not releasing) huge amounts of the vaccine. and will start phase 3 in october
phase 3 in october is not a 'everyone that wants it' mass vaccination campaign. it is the phase 3 of just volunteer doctors and teachers.


western media are trying to spin it as if russia is releasing the vaccine to everyone in october and saying its bad
yet thats not whats happening

i can already predict the news in october
western news will say that other countries refused to buy russia's vaccine in september due to no results
the truth is russia is not even handing it out.
western media jsut dont like it that russia passed its phase 2 while UK/US are still waiting on phase 2 results
so they make russia's efforts to move forward to phase 3 hidden by suggesting there is no phase 3. and suggesting its a mass vaccination campaign instead

WHO has requested for the safety data review for the vaccine with Russia's vaccine for corona virus. Months back itself human trials in my country for covid-19 vaccine have started. Bharat Biotech International with collaboration with the Indian council of medical research and zydas cadila healthcare limited is doing the first and second phase of clinical trials on human.

Our Prime Minister revealed statement of the vaccine coming to usage by August 15th(independence day). Further there is no information about it. Hope the vaccine from any of the country will soon be found for usage.

The vaccine will be tested on Philippines citizens, there is an agreement already to do it this month.

What's strange is that these tests are being set up by a Russian investment fund... Another thing: in Putin's statement, he says that the vaccine has a long-lasting effect... So it means they were testing the vaccine for 3 months at least

Russia have developed a vaccine that is yet to have clinical trials and yet to be proven effective against the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus.

Russia have developed a vaccine that is yet to have clinical trials and yet to be proven effective against the SARS-COV-2 coronavirus. I think most health boards were under the assumption that 1 in 15 vaccines prove to be effective and safe (and collectively Europe and the US have around 17 currently being tested - or a similar number).

It's also a bit worrying that they're giving doses to healthcare workers and teachers at a fairly fast pace soon however they might reconsider what they're doing or wait for better results before going forward.