Russia: Supreme Court Bans “LGBT Movement” as “Extremist”

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Quote from: Bushdark on December 16, 2023, 01:55:20 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2023, 11:12:03 AM

LGBT is against common sense. You are what you are. Doctors can't change you enough to make you into something else. And since it is a perversion of the way God wants it to be (or He would have made things differently), it's against God in a big way.

If Russia is doing this simply to fight Biden... they are doing what is right in nature, for whatever reasons. They will naturally get better results, even if it is by accident.

I mean, water flows down the mountainside, naturally. Bad people helping it to flow down will have a much better time than good people trying to make it flow up the mountainside.

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Yeah, agree that that's against common sense, and just a further I never saw an animal let's take a lion never try to hit on another lion but its always lioness and human is an animal too so why they act differently though? Is this actually true or they try to attain something?

Whether animals or humans, what I know is that there is only just two genders and nothin more.

There are some rare cases that babies born with XY chromosomes with female genital but they are supposed to have male genital and same for xx with male genitals but these are identified since they were born.

Transgender are also accepted across all over the world and considered them as 3rd gender who were born with a male body but with the inner feeling for a woman and vice versa but that is completely different from this rainbow community.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 08, 2023, 12:21:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2023, 11:12:03 AM

LGBT is against common sense. You are what you are. Doctors can't change you enough to make you into something else. And since it is a perversion of the way God wants it to be (or He would have made things differently), it's against God in a big way.

If Russia is doing this simply to fight Biden... they are doing what is right in nature, for whatever reasons. They will naturally get better results, even if it is by accident.

I mean, water flows down the mountainside, naturally. Bad people helping it to flow down will have a much better time than good people trying to make it flow up the mountainside.

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Yeah, agree that that's against common sense, and just a further I never saw an animal let's take a lion never try to hit on another lion but its always lioness and human is an animal too so why they act differently though? Is this actually true or they try to attain something?

Whether animals or humans, what I know is that there is only just two genders and nothin more. All the protests and movement does not really make a common sense. If we humans choose to have more than two genders, what will happens to the animals that only have two genders. Putin has no say to everything and now that the court judge has abolish any gay movement or LGBT, then everyone need to go back to there tent and concentrate on what is important.

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While Russia may seem ruled by an autocrat like Putin, we have seen many times this year that others also contribute to this policy. It doesn't seem like he is the sole ruler of everything in the government. I also do not believe it is not practiced; the government is simply trying to avoid public displays of affection among those who practice it. It isn't my intention to support the policies, but I am just taking note of the decision of a lot of members of the political establishment. Moreover, this is also a response to the political war with the United States. China and Korea also do not support it.

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Quote from: o48o on December 08, 2023, 06:20:04 PM

Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 08, 2023, 12:21:24 PM

Yeah, agree that that's against common sense, and just a further I never saw an animal let's take a lion never try to hit on another lion but its always lioness and human is an animal too so why they act differently though? Is this actually true or they try to attain something?

Never saw? Do you study them or something? I am guessing you never even seen a lion, except passing by in tv.

I am not a wildlife researcher or wildlife photographer so I only saw them in the cages or in controlled environments like zoos but it doesn't mean what I am saying is false. You may see male lions cuddle over others but its just an act of proving their dominance and deciding who will be the leader then the lion will get chances to mate with all the lionesses or at least that is what I learned if my memory serves right.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on December 08, 2023, 12:21:24 PM

Yeah, agree that that's against common sense, and just a further I never saw an animal let's take a lion never try to hit on another lion but its always lioness and human is an animal too so why they act differently though? Is this actually true or they try to attain something?

Never saw? Do you study them or something? I am guessing you never even seen a lion, except passing by in tv.

So here's a conundrum: should be believe your and baddecker's "common sense" or various studies about the subject? I find it absurd that with all the all the knowledge publicly available some of us still are so scared about LGTB movement. Who knew that still, in 2024 some of us would choose denounce scientific method just so that they wouldn't need to deal with their feelings.

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It's something which is supported by majority of Russians and I would say it's their personal choice but they shouldn't be encouraged.

Usually we see in the news and articles that LGBT community is been abused and threatened but to be honest they are doing the same thing they are forcing their ideology down our throat. They are everywhere they brainwash our kids in their school by teaching about them and in the company where I work I receive dozens of event related to PRIDE every week I had to put them in spam list and discussions about their rights happens at corporate level where they are utmost safe but still their ideology is drilled down our brain. I think it has to be stopped, let them do whatever they want which is unnatural but they should not forcefully put their ideology in our mind and should never insist us to support in their cause.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 08, 2023, 11:12:03 AM

LGBT is against common sense. You are what you are. Doctors can't change you enough to make you into something else. And since it is a perversion of the way God wants it to be (or He would have made things differently), it's against God in a big way.

If Russia is doing this simply to fight Biden... they are doing what is right in nature, for whatever reasons. They will naturally get better results, even if it is by accident.

I mean, water flows down the mountainside, naturally. Bad people helping it to flow down will have a much better time than good people trying to make it flow up the mountainside.

Cool

Yeah, agree that that's against common sense, and just a further I never saw an animal let's take a lion never try to hit on another lion but its always lioness and human is an animal too so why they act differently though? Is this actually true or they try to attain something?

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Quote from: BADecker on December 06, 2023, 10:30:52 AM

Anti-LGBT is Christian. Does that mean that Putin and Russia are or are becoming Christian? Not necessarily. Anti-LGBT is one of the things that makes a nation strong. It simply happens, naturally. The fact that Putin and the Russian government recognize this, is to their credit.

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If my assumption is right it's just a direct attack on Joe Biden. Cheesy

Some countries ban LGBT because it's against the religion for example middle Eastern countries but in democracy it is not possible so they always have to be lenient for everyone to keep their power and especially when the elections are just around the corner.

LGBT is against common sense. You are what you are. Doctors can't change you enough to make you into something else. And since it is a perversion of the way God wants it to be (or He would have made things differently), it's against God in a big way.

If Russia is doing this simply to fight Biden... they are doing what is right in nature, for whatever reasons. They will naturally get better results, even if it is by accident.

I mean, water flows down the mountainside, naturally. Bad people helping it to flow down will have a much better time than good people trying to make it flow up the mountainside.

Cool

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it is concerning that a community of the lgbt people has been considered to be in the same level as terrorists

being different than the norm should not be criminalized especially one that does not harm anyone in the process this decision by russia concerns a lot of advocates that from now on not only lgbt community will be held silenced but also other advocate groups

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 06, 2023, 04:53:56 PM

Quote from: JackMazzoni on December 06, 2023, 11:31:24 AM

Putin wants the support from the majority. LGBT Movement in Russia is a minority unlike in US where it is a majority.

I don’t think the LGBT movement in the US is the majority, the media just tries to make it seem that way. People are mostly silent about it because liberals will attempt to destroy your life any way they can if you oppose their views. Even a large percentage of gay people oppose transgender people merging with their movement and view trans as mental illness. Russia is in trouble going against the views of the New World Order though. This is how World Wars start.

We need to prepare for the worse because there are many signs that we are in the end time. For me, we only have two gender which is male and female and any thing contrary to that is rubbish. There is a way that seems to be right before men but the end is destruction.
We all have the liberty to do whatsoever we like but we should also know that a day of judgement will be right before us in time to come.
This movement does not worth it and I know Putin would never support this movement since there are many people there are killing themselves because of this. Let's shits and dance to the tone of good music.

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LGBT movement is indeed contagious. Russia wants to increase it's population. It doesn't have the benefit of attracting immigrants like that of the US.
And when a large part of your population are involved in unnatural sex, you don't get babies, just STDs.
But there are side-effects of taking in immigration, like in Europe where the european population are now find it hard to integrate with their new culture.
In US, the LGBT population has increased in a rapid pace and is predicted to reach one fourth by 2050.

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LGBT movement is overly advertised in USA. You can watch in most Hollywood movies and tv series. Most people in USA think it is morally acceptable. Many of Americans foods like eggs and chicken is added with lot of chemicals and female hormones that may somehow affect the gender of the population. But in Russia most people are Orthodox Christians most people think it is not morally acceptable.

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Quote from: JackMazzoni on December 06, 2023, 11:31:24 AM

Putin wants the support from the majority. LGBT Movement in Russia is a minority unlike in US where it is a majority.

It is incorrect to assume the majority of the population in the United States is LGBT, though, if anything I would only dare to say the population of that country has simply grown more open minded to the existence of the LGBT people being part of society. Leaving that to one side, it is quite obvious most of the American population is heterosexual.
You may have gotten that incorrect perception from the way news and stories are handled on social media, where that movement indeed seems to take the spotlight, for the sake of pushing political ideals from certain media corporations and parties.

I don't even know whether one could find a country where LGBT people are the majority, instead a minority, by the way.

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Quote from: JackMazzoni on December 06, 2023, 11:31:24 AM

Putin wants the support from the majority. LGBT Movement in Russia is a minority unlike in US where it is a majority.

I don’t think the LGBT movement in the US is the majority, the media just tries to make it seem that way. People are mostly silent about it because liberals will attempt to destroy your life any way they can if you oppose their views. Even a large percentage of gay people oppose transgender people merging with their movement and view trans as mental illness. Russia is in trouble going against the views of the New World Order though. This is how World Wars start.

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Putin wants the support from the majority. LGBT Movement in Russia is a minority unlike in US where it is a majority.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 06, 2023, 10:30:52 AM

Anti-LGBT is Christian. Does that mean that Putin and Russia are or are becoming Christian? Not necessarily. Anti-LGBT is one of the things that makes a nation strong. It simply happens, naturally. The fact that Putin and the Russian government recognize this, is to their credit.

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If my assumption is right it's just a direct attack on Joe Biden. Cheesy

Some countries ban LGBT because it's against the religion for example middle Eastern countries but in democracy it is not possible so they always have to be lenient for everyone to keep their power and especially when the elections are just around the corner.

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Anti-LGBT is Christian. Does that mean that Putin and Russia are or are becoming Christian? Not necessarily. Anti-LGBT is one of the things that makes a nation strong. It simply happens, naturally. The fact that Putin and the Russian government recognize this, is to their credit.

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I am not against the LGBT community or people getting attracted to their own gender but about the movement they got like mob mentality just like the Stop Oil movements, Vegan movements, and anything you can add they are just protesting for nothing but for the attention which is not really need but they need for some reason which I can't understand why.

And again its Russia so what can we expect more?

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I'm not very knowledgeable about Russian affairs, but as regards banning an LGBT movement, in the country, if majority of Russians, are in support of it, then we can put it on democracy. If the core values of most Russians, are against LGBT, then it's better that gays in that country, to move to other countries that are LGBT friendly. Personally I'm against LGBT, because I think that it's unnatural and should be discouraged, sometimes I wonder that what if people begins to have carnal knowledge with their pets, in the name that it's their sexual preference, will the society applaud them? So what I'm saying in essence is that in a democracy, let the will of the people prevail, if the majority embraces gay rights, then it's all good, if not, the let the gay LGBT community respect the wish of the majority by relocating to many LGBT friendly countries. My apology if I offend anybody by my personal opinion, at least I have a right to it.

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Quote from: paxmao on December 04, 2023, 12:44:02 PM

Putin's government needs to find enemies so that people do not really see who the real enemy is and worry about other things. My guess is that they may as well start sending the gays to the frontline - this now seems the go-to method to reduce the population in prisons. Ruzzia is quite broken if they need to resort to this type of shit to justify themselves before their people.

As far as I understand, when the Wagner group operated and was under the control of the Kremlin, they were the one who attended to the Russian prisons and offered a deal to those with kinda long sentences: to join the war in exchange of their freedom, assuming they managed to survive in the frontline. We would be talking about common criminals, murderers, thieves, etc.
The situation would be different with those imprisoned because their sexuality. Wagner is not more the armed mercenary group of choice of Putin and my guess would be that those in the Russian army would rather physically and mentally torture a peson who is not heterosexual, rather than being willing to convince them to fight for the same Country which procecuted them.

A thief can assume part of his punishment and understand he did something wrong and can earn back his freedom somehow, even by becoming a mercenary. On the other hand a person whose only crime was not being straight won't have the same perspective of their situation.

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I'm actually surprised that it happened just now. Somehow I always thought that this organization was illegal long time ago. Anyway, Russia is one of worst places to be part of LGBT community as majority opinion about is very negative here. And at the same time it's very strange that Moscow or St Peterburg is full of gay clubs...
Currently in Russia there is trend that if someone isn't supporting Putin's policy, war in Ukraine and, declare them as enemy. Like calling them as extremist organization or if people have different opinion, declare them as "forgeign agent". And they're doing it without having any proofs that this person, media or organization is getting funding from foreign country.
I doubt that we will have many refugees from Russia in my country because of it. And I don't really want to see more Russians coming to my country as we have already have more than enough local z-patriots. Anyway, we have one simple question to understand who is good Russian or not - just ask them "Whose is Crimea?".

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Putin's government needs to find enemies so that people do not really see who the real enemy is and worry about other things. My guess is that they may as well start sending the gays to the frontline - this now seems the go-to method to reduce the population in prisons. Ruzzia is quite broken if they need to resort to this type of shit to justify themselves before their people.

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Russia: Supreme Court Bans “LGBT Movement” as “Extremist”

Source: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/30/russia-supreme-court-bans-lgbt-movement-extremist

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(Berlin) – Russia’s Supreme Court ruled today that the “international LGBT movement” is an “extremist organization,” jeopardizing all forms of LGBT rights activism in the country, Human Rights Watch said today.

In a closed hearing, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Justice Ministry’s lawsuit accusing the “LGBT movement” of inciting social and religious discord. Russian authorities should immediately end this perverse persecution of LGBT people and concerned countries should support LGBT people and their advocates facing extreme risks and persecution in Russia.

“The authorities’ move apparently serves a dual purpose,” said Tanya Lokshina, associate Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “It is meant to increase the scapegoating of LGBT people to appeal to the Kremlin’s conservative supporters before the March 2024 presidential vote and to paralyze the work of rights groups countering discrimination and supporting LGBT people.”

Since I have yet to see a dedicated thread about this matter, I have decided to open one myself. We all are aware of the aggressive policies the Kremlin has applied in Russia when comes to their citizens who happen to be LGBTQ as well.
When we are surrounded with news about Gaza, Israel and Ukraine is easy to overlook these kinds of domestic events going on in Russia. What do you think about this new scalation by the Kremlin against an already marginalized and stigmatized community in Russia?
Do you agree with it, do you disagree with it?
Would would expect more people from Russia to apply for refuge status in your country? Let us discuss and please let us also be civilized and do not call for violence against any group, regardless of your personal opinion.
Thanks.

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