Topic: Russia - Ukraine | War imminent? (Read 559 times)

I am not sure it is helping Ukraine like they wanted to. The war started a while back and i am surprised that it is still going on and the resilient of the people in Ukraine. But if Russia thinks that other countries are helping them then you might see an all out attack and there is no way Ukraine will be able to resist that and i doubt Nato or other forces will join Ukraine in fighting the Russians.

Ukraine will never win this war no matter how much it wants to. We all understand that Russia is not at war with Ukraine, the war is on the territory of Ukraine. Now it is necessary to stop the loss of life and to resolve the issue at the negotiating table. Only one question is important now - how many more people will die because the leaders of the countries cannot agree. All European countries and the USA send weapons to Ukraine and at the same time talk about peace? What kind of victory are you talking about?

Yeah, I agree to that. The first day of the war, it seemed that Russia was largely launching targeted attacks on airports and military bases. Of course, we were still shocked, but it seemed like the war was going by the rules. Very soon, however, Russia stopped gaining military victories and met strong resistance both from the military and from civilians. Being unable to reach military success and capture Kyiv or, pretty much, any big, strategically important cities, they started committing war crimes and focused on bombing civilian buildings, forming blockages, cutting off essential supplies that civilians need to survive. So yes, if the war went reasonably, with militaries fighting against each other, it would be much easier to bear. That's why Ukraine needs strong support from the West in the form of weapons, primarily to protect the cities from Russian missiles and bombs. Ukraine will win the war in any case, but there's a big question of the cost, of how many lives will be lost in the process.

This is a fantastic point, by the way! Well, China is kind of keeping an eye on things right now, tactically, to see who might intervene at that point, but this is still just speculation. As a result of the economic sanctions that have been imposed on them, I believe that China is in some ways supporting Russia, if only because they are providing for their own needs. I could also see that Putin is pursuing some innovative ideas to counter those large corporations that are banning them, such as legalizing piracy, which I believe will have a significant impact on us and the rest of the world.

I also think that China is smart about this whole war. While I do agree with the other comments that abstaining does not mean it is supporting wholly the efforts of Russia, China sees the financial advantage on this situation.

If China does partake in the war by supporting Russia, we will see several moves affecting its finances on the market. This will thus affect its overall finances and put them at a disadvantage. The problem with China is that, most of us need them more than they need us. With them being the labor powerhouse, I doubt that they will also receive severe sanctions like the ones imposed on Russia.

Russia will lose the war. War crimes and sanctions. Ukraine will still join Nato. These allies have told Ukraine not to say no to joining Nato. That's why the allies are supplying more weapons to Ukraine. The Nato leaders met a few days ago combined with the EU. Biden has already met Germany concerning the war. Germany and the UK are sending tanks and missiles to help Ukraine. I guess it will be tougher for Russians. That means Ukraine might be on top of the situation very soon.

I don't think China will interfere in Russia's war, but they will care about this war closely. Russia's attack on Ukraine is seen as a test for the US and NATO. If they don't intervene and Russia wins, It is very likely that China will invade Taiwan because China always considers Taiwan as its territory. Until now, they have not dared to use military force because they are afraid of the US and Western countries.

I do not think that the airplanes and helicopters are close to correct numbers, could be 50% of what was reported by Ukraine. But, the amount of ground armory, weapons, people, vehicles, tanks and all that seems like a correct. The drones they got from Turkey seems to be working pretty well, especially in a war like this. I mean if it was just missile to missile it may not be working this well and that would have been harder to achieve. But, this is literally soldier to soldier stuff and I believe that this is why drones created a big gap between the situation.

You can't just attack a whole nation with drones, they are too spread out, but when someone attacks a nation, the attacking one only uses the attacking command, not the whole nation, so they are fewer and usually close in between hence why it was easier for drones to kill and destroy that quickly.

Diplomatic paths continue to be taken so that this war does not spread, we see that Putin does not flinch despite the NATO predicate he will face. On the one hand, Ukraine as an independent country has the right to make its own choices without any intervention from other countries. But on the other hand, Russia considers joining the NATO bloc as a big threat to Russia for military bases facing the country. I hope that diplomacy will soon be achieved so that there will be no third world war

Yes, because other countries will never allow Russian to demilitarize or force regime change on Ukraine government. Ukraine government has the power to join any Union of their choice or not to join which is the main reason Russian government is fighting Ukraine government.  Ukraine military are fully ready to protect their citizens and properties that belong to their country. Now that the war is coming to an end for the favour of Ukraine government, it will give more power to Ukraine military for not Surrender to Russian government wish over their own wish to join NATO.
Now that the Russian president and Ukraine president are about to meet to allow peace to rain between the two countries,it will give more joy to other countries that interval on this matter last month to reunion the both countries together.

Abstain is also not equal to supporting. If they wanted to clearly be on their side, they would have not just abstained, but they would have been on Russia's side and support them with their vote. They did not, which is a proof enough that they do not want to side with Russia on this one.

I mean, don't get me wrong they definitely feel closer to Russia than Ukraine and they do not care if Russia wins and kills and destroys Ukraine, they just do not want to be part of it. This is different from the west, west do not want to get involved militarily but they are at least siding with Ukraine, China is not doing that with Russia at the moment.

China denies it has received a request for military assistance from Russia, I don't think Russia will rely on China militarily.
China was the country that abstained at the United Nations General Assembly against Russia, but that doesn't mean it will help Russia militarily. President Xi Jinping understands that openly helping Russia is no different than going against the world and that they will be isolated like Russia, even as you said that would spark a 3rd world war.
The war will not end anytime soon but I hope that further negotiations will bring new steps towards opening up a humanitarian corridor for the migrants to avoid loss of life. It was only the citizens who suffered during the war. Praying for everyone's peace.

What I most look forward to is that the innocents stop dying, because they are attacking hospitals, children die daily, sometimes the figures you handle are very good, but Russia is asking the Chinese army for help, and China will obviously support it, no I know in which part it is that they are bombed about 25km from Poland, if at least one explosion falls in Poland this would generate a greater conflict, because it would be a total devastation, not only of Ukraine but it is the total announcement of the third world war and that in no part of the world there would be no escape, sometimes it is not to be alarmist, but these things can be avoided.

No, your proposals mean the loss of Ukraine's independence, its language, way of life, customs, forced Russification, humiliation, and everything else. This will not be a manifestation of love for your people, but its complete destruction. Ukrainians fully understand this and therefore give a resolute rebuff to the invaders. Russian soldiers find only their death on the territory of Ukraine. Russia will never conquer or enslave Ukraine.

Russia has already lost more than 50,000 of its soldiers (more than 12 thousand killed, more than 35 thousand wounded, about 3 thousand prisoners),
- 389 tanks,
- 1249 armored vehicles,
- 77 aircraft,
- 90 helicopters,
- 150 artillery systems,
- 64 salvo fire systems,
- 617 different vehicles and much more.

Ukraine is confidently grinding Russia's military power, and the Kremlin has already understood this. Together with sanctions, this will lead Russia itself to death and disintegration. The sooner Putin is eliminated or removed from power, the less tangible will be the losses for the Russians. However, the consequences of this war will be felt for many generations.

I think that what you say is very cruel, but if it makes a lot of sense, honestly, as the president of Ukraine, I would say, I give up, but if they guarantee me that they will not kill any Ukrainian citizen, I would do this out of love for my compatriots and that they do not continue to die unjustly and that the deaths of children stop, I would let them elect a new president as long as he ends all civilian lives, I think he would not see it as an act of cowardice, but as an act of love towards my country and above all of love towards the people of a town that is suffering a lot.

Ukraine should stop all her dilly dally with the West and sue for peace with Russia by first recognizing the independence of the two breakaway nations then stopping all acts of aggression towards them.
If they had done this from the onset, there would have been no reason for Russia to invade them.
But no, they listened to the USA, UK, France and the rest of NATO, forgetting that it's Ukrainian blood that is being spilt in this futile and senseless venture.

I hope so and however many people speak out for peace for both sides at war,
If this war continues any longer, it will cause many casualties, even more so on civilians who do not know anything.
I hope that the top brass of the two countries can soon reach an agreement on diplomacy

If countries feel threatened by all the war threats Putin is doing don't you think they have the right to do so?
Didn't Russia attack in the first place because it felt "threatened"?
Guess what , karma!


Yeah, we've seen it.
Tanks without gas, without ammo, soldiers robbing stores and begging for gas and food, convoys after convoys getting annihilated by drones, the mighty S400 that can't shoot down anything, the invisible T14 armada which is the first 87723rd generation tank, the also really invisible pak50...

Everyone is laughing their asses of what Russia is doing, you have 200k soldiers, two months to prepare near the border, and the capital of your enemy at just 300km from the border and you aren't able to cripple the single nation that is poorer than you in Europe.
The Russian army myth is busted and good only to wipe the tears of the Russian propaganda.


Lol, and that like two days ago, how it is possible that even by now nothing you claim has happened?
The miracles of Saint Javelin?


Suck our...that's the only thing left for him.

He has been lied to and his ego didn't allow him to see the reality, his country si c gas station without gas.
The ruble is down the drain, the stock market didn't open, companies are forced to liquidate their foreign cash reserves to try to keep the ruble alive, companies after companies are blocking contracts and supplies to Russia, companies are exiting Russia, the banking system is on life support.

Oh, and the reserves, the famous 600 billion reserves, suddenly there are only 200 billion of them cause, unlike how some picture world fiances to work, in real life fx reserves are not stored under the chief of the bank and other leader's mattress.
In order for reserves to work, they have to be stored where it matters, Zimbabwe won't get a loan because it claims it has 100 trillion in some Sechelels account, and guess where was the major part of those 600 billion stored?

I do not agree with your statement that Ukraine screwed up and the only way out for it is diplomatic negotiations. The Putin regime has miscalculated by attacking Ukraine and throwing about a hundred thousand of its troops and a lot of armored vehicles at it from three sides.
The barbaric attack quickly united the Ukrainians and raised the patriotic spirit to unprecedented heights. We must pay tribute, the NATO countries are now helping Ukraine a lot with weapons, but the Ukrainians are now actively using home-made Molotov cocktails, burning the armor and military power of Russia.
Thus, during the four days of the Russian invasion, according to official data from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, the Ukrainians destroyed about 5,300 invaders, 191 tanks, 29 combat aircraft, 29 attack helicopters, 816 armored vehicles, 74 cannons, 21 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 291 vehicles.
The enemy is now in a panic and completely demoralized. Although peace talks are now starting at Putin's suggestion, Ukraine is not going to make any concessions, and the current situation, on the contrary, allows it to speak from a position of strength.

I am actually surprise that despite the crisis, Bitcoin and the other cryptocurrencies haven't gone up similar to the case with gold, platinum, silver and other bullion metals. Ideally people would prefer liquid assets that are protected against inflation when such a crisis occurs. But the Bitcoin exchange rate has actually gone down, ever since the invasion started in 24th February. In fact, the prices nosedived by more than 10% when the news about the invasion first came out. Can anyone explain why this happened?

The war impact was not only on the country. But it was a impact in the crytocurrency. Most of the coin get into the year least reduction in a few months.The price of bitcoin was reduced in a huge manner.The price variation in a short period should be used for the investment in the coin.All should parallel pray for the Ukraine people.

Putin has completely lost it probably because he doesn't want to see Ukraine overtake them in the future in terms of power etc. Just checked the news several minutes ago and he ordered his army to resume offensive in a barbaric manner.

Other countries aren't joining the war primarily because they don't want this war to turn into WW3 which makes sense, but Ukraine is screwed in the process.

The world was slowly and steadily recovering from the COVID threat in recent years and now this happens. Ukraine is putting up a brave stand currently, but the only way to settle this issue effectively is through diplomatic negotiations.

I am wondering what Russia will do to Germany and other neighboring countries, now that Germany is helping the armaments of Ukraine. Because Putin said that those who will interfere will face consequences. Definitely, Putin has been preparing for this long time ago. He won't go at war not prepared. He knows what he's getting into. A savage move during this 21st century. Maybe, Russians should throw out from his leadership. Putin has a different mindset. They need a younger blood to change this kind of thinking. Let Ukraine live in democracy.

They may likely more down trend direction in the coming weeks if the invasion by the Russian government continue in Ukraine. No one expected this kind of a thing in this 21st century but to commentators are saying that the body language of the Russian in some weeks ago should have made people to know nothing can stop this invasion. But it is unfortunate that the Ukrainians are experiencing this because they want freedom.

That is unlikely to happen for now as Putin is very firm in his decision that this war could no longer be stopped anymore once he started in. And i think Putin knew that this would happen the moment Ukraine has become an ally to US because its always US that will create a war between two countries but in reality, this US country is very afraid to go on a war. So Putin has planned this already before. And knowing the fact that Russia is a supplier of strong armed weapons, that will totally beat Ukraine this time.

This is too bad to hear..Hopefully the situation between Russia and Ukraine will be resolved as quickly as soon as possible..So the people can continue to live normally with their friends and family.

Correct me but I don't think that NATO will interfere with what is happening right now because they aren't in a position to do it.
Ukraine isn't a member of NATO so why they will try to help them? I mean I don't understand why will they help a country that they aren't allied at first place.

I've watched a video saying that US will not interfere with what is happening but they already gave sanctions to Russia. If NATO will involve themselves in this war, then it will be a disaster because more countries will try and join the war and we know what will happen next after it so its better if they will just remain silent. We already know what will happen. We know what are the capabilities of Russians with regards to war. They are one of the top if not the top in terms of military forces. Still, its very sad to see that people whether civilians or soldiers are dying because of war. In a war, death is inevitable that is why there are no benefits in a war  .

I am watching the news and there seems to be few reports of organized resistance from the Ukrainians. The Russians are slowly proceeding with their plan, without facing much resistance. They have either encircled or taken control of major cities such as Kyiv, Kharkov, Chernigov, Melitopol and Kherson. A large part of the Ukrainian army seems to have either surrendered or melted away. The Ukrainian government has claimed that they have killed hundreds, or even thousands of Russian troops. But I really doubt whether a single Russian soldier has been killed inside Ukraine.

I don't know if you're trolling or you're for real but nonetheless, I'll send my thoughts and prayers to you. Also, if you're a civilian, you should start evacuating already because you're life is more important than what you have right now, you're call won't be heard though, pretty sure that no one in this forum has the authority to ban Russia from SWIFT or even send NATO to Ukraine, remember that International politics is all about balancing the scales without letting the doomsday clock strike at midnight. Even though I'm not from Ukraine, I am scared in this war, with Russia as the main player, they can easily escalate this war into a nuclear one.

"We aim a demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine by filling Ukraine with military and nazi's. Considering Ukraine and Russia are meant to be "brothers" the Russian president has gone insane. He is literally the architect of a murderous war that never needed to happen. It's all because he has achieved nothing in the last 20 years but see a further fall of Russia through corruption and cronyism that pervades the country from the very top downwards. He is trying to relive his childhood by trying to recreate the USSR, the USSR that failed because it offers countries within it nothing but fear and repression. Any Russian should be thoroughly ashamed of their government right now and any Russian soldier in Ukraine should do the world a favor and turn their gun on themselves.

I actually hope that both countries can contain their emotions more to avoid a lot of destruction on both sides, from some media that I read, now more than 300 people have become victims of the Russian invasion and most of them are civilians. I think if NATO also joins ukraine of course the war will get worse in my opinion, even though nato has a desire to help ukraine but still i doubt if they do not have their own interests in this matter, I think it is time for the UN to act to establish dialogue between the two countries and at least the UN can stop a bigger war from happening.

As at recent, i heard the US sent about 7000 soldiers and am sure its has nothing to impact on the 100,000 soldiers Russia has mounted while the NATO combined forces too can sound a little significant but only if China could join the war against Russia is when i think more hope can be emancipated, but even as at now, China remain mute about the issue. I hope at the end it will cost Russia than it will pays them for haven taken such a move.

As a regular individuals yes, we don't want this to happen because wars is a scary thing to us, it can destroy lives and the market but there are people that want this to happen, they are the higher authorities like the governments and the military forces. Wars are just wars and I don't think diseases are related to it but they are more natural and I don't believe that someone can create it and spread it.

It can be that both of them are right because why would they start a war? A war can mean that one of them wont agree with the other. I am not really into this issue and haven't done a research yet but I heard that Russia is being often blamed so maybe it was Russia's fault? But, yeah war is not an immediate solution to fix that.

It is hard to believe in these numbers, as according to mass media, Russian army is much more developed then Ukrainian. These numbers are either fake, or Ukrainian propaganda. Otherwise it looks like Ukraine army is using lasers and technologies from Star Wars, while Russia is attacking with sticks and stones. What about pictures of destroyed military locators that appeared in media yesterday?

We are in 21 century. With all modern technologies, dont you think armies wont do point strikes first, destroy those who is covered with bombs and only then send infantry and vehicles?


I dont know how to end situation. Politician talks does not help, they can come to an agreement. All the sanctions from both or every side only make situation worse. I dont understand who is winning from all this. Russia - no, Europe - no, Ukraine - no, Economy - no.

We may be referring to different sets of data. On the very day Putin ordered the attack on Ukraine, CNN Business headlines Global stocks plunge as Russia attacks Ukraine. Which in detail means, in terms of European stocks, "FTSE 100 fell 3.9% in London, France's CAC 40 dropped 3.8% and Germany's DAX 30 shed 4%." Furthermore, "Russian stocks crashed, with the country's main index dropping 45% before recovering some losses and closing 33% lower."^[1]

In terms of US stocks, "the Nasdaq Composite declined 0.2%, opening the day in bear-market territory. The Dow sank 1.9%, or 675 points. The S&P 500 fell 1.2%."^[Ibid.]

Meanwhile, "in Asia, Hong Kong's Hang Seng Index (HSI) dropped 3.2%, its biggest daily loss in five months. Japan's Nikkei 225 (N225) lost 1.8% and China's Shanghai Composite moved 1.7% lower."^[Ibid.]

Also, "the Russian ruble briefly crashed about 10% to a record low of 90 against the US dollar."^[Ibid.]

On the same day, Bitcoin, on the other hand, opened at $37,372 and closed at $38,363. For the past 24 hours, Bitcoin has registered a double-digit growth.^[2]

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[1] https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/23/investing/dow-futures-global-markets-russia-operation-intl-hnk/index.html
[2] https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/bitcoin

I'm also not an expert, but from what I read Russia is dependent on industries like semicon that's why it was the first to be sanction by the West.

But still they have the leverage, they supply like 10% of the world so that alone is a huge bargaining power on their side.

On the other hand, Ukraine is lamenting that they were left to find alone in this war when they supposedly allies who keeps making noise and maybe egging them to engage Russia seems to be quiet.

I mean, it already did react the same way as traditional markets did(US stock market specifically, but not as bad as Ukrainian and Russian markets did — obviously); and I don't think $BTC and the risk-on US tech stocks moving in tandem would change any time soon.

During the first day of aggression, Russia lost more than 30 tanks, about 130 armored vehicles, 7 aircraft and 6 combat helicopters, about 800 invaders were killed. Losses of Ukrainians - 136 people killed. Near Kiev, the landing force of the vaunted Pskov Airborne Division in the amount of 200 people was completely destroyed, the threat to Kiev was eliminated. Putin's blitzkrieg failed.
The entire civilized world is now on the side of Ukraine. Even an international hacker group has declared cyberwar on Russia.

Yes, it was a peaceful news this morning, to all Ukraine and Russian for the peace words that was coming out from the mouth of Putin. This show that other countries of the world has showed interest to allow peace to rain between Russian and Ukraine so that the war will not collapse their economy that is about to improve higher and also not to take people lives.
During the process of the good news,we came to discovered bitcoin price has improved to $38k which is seriously giving some investors a big hope that the price of bitcoin will soon increase to $75k before the end of this month. Many coins are showing some signs of improvement to allow traders to be more comfortable to achieve massive income from their trade.

Unfortunately, Russia began its attacks on Ukraine, but fortunately the United States and NATO were satisfied with imposing economic sanctions on Russia. If NATO decided to intervene militarily, we would have seen a third world war. In any case, this news caused the price of gold and oil to rise and global stock exchanges to fall as well. Cryptocurrencies, Bitcoin fell to 33k$ but fortunately it is now recovering and back to almost 39k$ point.
In my opinion, the effect on the market is over, and the rebound may be at any moment, and the key to the rise of Bitcoin is 46,000$ if it manages to reach this point. But we need more time to monitor the results of the developments of the Russian military campaign against Ukraine.

Yes, of course. There are no conclusions here. We're all simply speculating, but based on available facts, of course. As a matter of fact, there is also that possibility that all these price movements of Bitcoin and the rest of the crypto market don't have anything to do with this Russia-Ukraine conflict or war. War has been imminent for the past hours, days, and weeks and yet Bitcoin generally behaves the way it has always been. Perhaps we couldn't even provide conclusive answers to a more fundamental question, will Bitcoin's price significantly react to regional conflict the way the traditional market does?

Probably, but it's definitely too early to make conclusions. I mean, this recent bump up in price pretty much just covered the flash crash we had yesterday lol. Truth be told — a huge majority of Ukranians will still be attempting to get their money out of the system, rather than rushing onto exchanges to buy bitcoin.

I do not believe in the actions of the current US presidency, and I myself do not support the behavior that the US and the EU consider magnanimous. In certain ways or sources of information, we approach differently and will have different opinions. Looking at many things about the war to find out why it went badly, we've got a whole bunch of things. Information that cannot be verified. I look at what has happened at this point, and I think Putin will sort things out soon.

However, it is a curious case that just minutes before Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine, the price of Bitcoin has suddenly leaped high. There was a spike of around $2,000 in the price of Bitcoin even if the Russian attack is getting imminent. So perhaps, on the contrary, it could be argued that a war or a full-scale attack-- which means that banks and ATMs are expected to be non-operational and people would be fleeing-- would somehow increase the demand of Bitcoin as people would definitely find more efficient ways to keep their wealth safe. 

Some positive news came out this morning, Putin announced that he has no interest for capturing the Ukraine probably they may free the Russian support states and let the remaining on their own and also US said no military aid for Ukraine so we may see an end soon and hope many lives will be saved. Along with this news the price of Bitcoin and gold started to shoot up a little bit.

The explosions are in Donbas, that's outside Ukraine. Donbas is a separate region that declared independence from Ukraine and Russia inhabited by rebels. Putin clear out that part to position, hitting a precise target and once again ask their demands to be heard to stay out of NATO.

It really depends on Zelensky to escalate this. Going Neutral is his very option and Putin will stay back, that's Russia's demand. They didn't even ask Zelensky to step down.

History has a way to repeat itself, no matter how you try to avoid it, it will still happen. In this one, I am strongly looking upto Biden to be more hard on Russia to seize fire. I listened to him imposing some financial related restrictions on Russia, but I think it is not enough to stop Putin and his men.
Putin does not have much regard to Biden, but he should understand that Biden is different from America. While Biden is an individual, America is a nation state.

This means that this plan has been made in advance, they want to use diplomatic friendship with China as a springboard to use force to redraw history.  I'm afraid that is the key point that Russia claims not to be afraid of large-scale economic sanctions.  Taking a holistic view of the emergency situation in Ukraine, the eventual consequences will be dire and damaging and recessionary to high inflation.

Things are getting heated as we speak about the Russia Ukraine conflict. I hope violence shouldn't go to an extent were innocent lives are killed.
Although Russia has declared a fight against Ukraine I hope things settle down soon. May be both parties will come to a mutual understanding.

As for bitcoin, Russia has many BTC holders and may be they are in a state of panic which has caused the selling.
But eventually the dust will settle and we will bitcoin price increasing again. It's just a matter of time.

Although we don't want this to happen in our lives, it is happening in a bad way. I've tried to learn about world history and look at conflicts, and there's a lot of things that are being repeated about the economic conflicts of interests of nations, outbreaks of diseases, wars... it's hard to judge who is right and wrong when all sides have their own views, but war is the worst way to make a new beginning 

There were multiple explosions heard in Kyiv and the Eastern part of Ukraine after Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a military operation in Ukraine. The only sound I can hear from Kyiv is explosions. I pray for everyone's safety. The world will never see the light of peace as long as there are capitalist colonialists and multicultural colonialists. Is anyone pulling most of their investments from the market as a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Or are you considering this a tragic opportunity to buy more.

Possibility of a war?
I live in Ukraine and we did not wake up with alarms today but apparently with explosions. The main airports were destroyed and at the same time the government is busy painting signs where the explosions happened. Market have dropped drastically and the price of Bitcoins have been reduced to like 9% ! The oil prices have surged a lot and so did the prices of golf at the same time. Russia is legalizing bitcoins but it feels like people are talking all their money out. The ATM's are all closed and also there is nowhere to take your money out as well. This is going to make the market situations worse not just for the Russians but for everyone else as well.

We can see the drop in bitcoin price when Ukraine invasion was decleared by Russian president, but I do not think this will have a long term effect on bitcoin price. We should remember how bitcoin price dropped during Covid-19 and how it increased again to over $10500 during covid-19.

China will really be happy about this, China wants the economic power.

Well, take a quick look: https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/imports
From machinery, equipment, trucks and cars to clothing, medicines, raw materials (metals) and food.

The only thing is that they can probably still import most of those from China...


I can't tell, the periodic table seems to have widened since I've been learning about it.
Rare metals - do Russia has those? Lithium for batteries - do they have those? I see that even ferous metals are imported big.


They don't have the factories nor the technology to produce absolutely everything they need. And even if they build that up, it may end up worse quality (or look) then the western similar products and also much more expensive.


It's not feasible. The population's consumption cannot match all they can sell abroad for the industries. They would have to build factories producing stuff off that gas. The fact that they didn't do that in the past many years, it means that it's probably not a good business for them.
Probably it will be more feasible to reduce the production and sell as expensive as they can.

I am not an expert and far from politics and this might sound controversial. But what resources and goods other countries have, that Russia dont have or feel the need? Except money. Russia got luck with their territory. From school program, I remember that Russian territory has all the resources from periodic table. They have resources to produce everything. If we start to dream about alternative future, then Russia can isolate themselves from other world and survive or live for a very long period.

P.S. I meant that they dont eat cheap gas, but will make it cheap for their people. If no one buys, they will be forced to sell it for a low price for themselves.

They claim they have some reserves and also alternative sources - LNG from US, new deals with Qatar (I don't know how it'll be transported), and I also have this rather complicated map: https://mondediplo.com/maps/gas-pipelines
Some European countries do produce gas too.

But is that enough? I also don't think so, hence my point about the future strange politics on the energy side.

What I don't agree with is that if gas from Russia is no longer accepted, then the Russians would win. Win what? Will they be eating that cheaper gas? Clearly no. So I don't think so.

About the gas - does Europe has an alternative source? If I am right, then main gas providers in the world are US, Russia and Qatar. Are there other gas connections for Europe except Russian?

Without Russian gas, Europe will be hit by another crisis. And without export and gas surplus, Russian people will simply get a cheaper gas for themselves, or be in more winning situation.

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War imminent? As a European, I have already received a booklet "what to do in the case of crisis during first 72h". Military actions on Ukraine territory started today and the booklets were instantly issues. That was quick.

Most big international companies won't accept Bitcoin for their goods.
The financial institutions who have lent money to Russia may not accept Bitcoin.
All this should make the Ruble fall greatly, hence each and every Russian will suffer.
Russia still needs money and goods from international markets and that money will become expensive.

What I don't know is whether Europe will still buy Russian resources (especially gas), especially at the current prices, or will afford to hit Russia where it hurts them the most, especially as European industries also won't be happy without the Russian gas.

The politics will be strange on the energy side, and I guess that this is also what Putin is counting on.
I fear that the European green deal was the best help/ammo Putin has gotten for this war...

Obviously that happened.  Right at the moment the news that Putin authorized the special military wave, the entire market quickly reacted to that panic, the 1 and 4 o'clock candles showed mostly liquidation.  Bitcoin has fallen below $35k to its lowest price since the big correction in January but I think bitcoin will be the next key in the economic downturn associated with this absurd war plot.  Some air strikes are probably going on and pray for the innocent people, the trauma, the misery

Today i got news from ukraine, i have family living in ukraine, bad news from ukraine government all citizens close to the border must be evacuated.
I suggest my family to go back to india, they also have some crypto assets that have not been sold, this is bad news russia wants to attack ukraine, basically they are brothers, I also see today crypto is going down very fast, I hope this war doesn't get worse for the crypto world.

Well there are news that Russia might circumvent US and West sanctions by going to bitcoin.

But I think this is just all speculation at this point, it seems that Putin has a hard line stance on crypto so he might be contracting himself if he suddenly goes to bitcoin to fight the sanctions.

As for the war, we already felt the effect, I was surprised to see the price when I woke up. But the news of the imminent war is all over so I told my self that the drop has something to do with this geo-political news.

I am getting the news live on BBC and I believe this is correct than anything Russia will be saying. Ukrainian armed forces say they have shot down five Russian planes but Russia defense minister says it's aircraft were were not shot down. The whole thing is confusing but I think the defense minister can be denying this.

Said the streets of Kyiv is now quiet this morning, more military personnel are seen more than it has been.


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795

Thank you for busting the FUD that are being spread around the world.    Can you give us constant updates on the things happening there and how your government are dealing with this? Do you see any foreign troops entering your country... or are this just your own army fighting by themselves?

I hope the rest of the world will do anything in their power to prevent a full scale war, because there are no winners in a war. Also, please give us a bit of background on why Russia is so focused on invading the Ukraine?

May God be with you in these terrible times.   

Do you mind creating a separate topic so we know what's going on in Ukraine in a civilian's point of view? Would appreciate it.

My response to a different thread like 30 minutes ago:

Bitcoin — despite it being built for situations like this, in the end is still classified as a sort of "risk on" asset. So if markets in general continue to go down, bitcoin and the cryptocurrency markets will go down with them. Tried and tested safe haven assets such as gold are likely to outperform.

I was rather surprised at people saying that BTC would not tumble in price with a war breaking out between Russia and Ukraine. The markets all move together, especially during uncertain times. The banking systems of Ukraine have apparently been attacked, so even if there had been motive for Ukrainians to adopt BTC, their economy was never big enough for it to matter.

I live in Ukraine. According to the news, at 4:30 am today, Putin gave the order to attack Ukraine. The attack took place on the side of the Russian border, as well as on the side of the Belarusian border. Explosions are shown in different cities of Ukraine, as well as Kiev. They hit airports, ammunition depots and other critical infrastructure. The armed forces of Ukraine entered the battle. Let's see what happens next.
We have just heard that a Russian fighter jet has been shot down over Ukraine.

I really really despise mainstream media platforms such as CNBC and CNN; heck — probably magnitudes more than you do, but you probably need to take off your tinfoil hat if you think that today's events are just manufactured by CNN.

Yeha right!
Aren't you ashamed at licking that piece of shit propaganda directly from Putin's source?
So a country decided they don't want to deal with you, then what do you do, invade them?
If I want to go drinking with you and you don't want to then I'm totally in my right to beat the crap out of you, rape your wife, and loot all your belongings cause we had a deal of going to drink?

Aren't you even ashamed coming here with this sickening disgusting and full of lies kgb propaganda while Russia kills poeple in a war you're saying is not happening? Find a ditch, please!


Well, let's hope he will stop with just the annexation of the two regions and leaving Ukraine under some puppet leader.
Unfortunately, this madman might have some others plans, and probably if nothing major that could deter him happens Moldova is done for too.
They already have a  separatist region there, Transnistria, they have Russian-speaking citizens so he will invest some genocide or fascists to get that territory too and we're back to URSS borders.


You meant jumping through the roof! 
Let's see where the equilibrium is, when fuel becomes way too expensive and demands go down.
Higher fuel prices will piss off a lot of countries that would have liked to stay neutral on this whole issue

CNN is the worst news channel to believe in. Russia had never tried attacking, Putin was even trying to keep the diplomatic talks while the news channels just aren't stopping. But all this warmongering is just about the GAS pipeline from Russia to Germany for it to stop and that Europe will still be siding US. There is no imminent war.

The date that was cited by the US intelligence was Feb 16. No war but now more Sanctions to Russia.

If the US stops this Nordstream pipeline, Putin will just turn their gas to Bitcoin by using the gas for electricity and mine BTC and there will be no stopping them. What the US government should just do is make business deals with Russia as they did with China. It's all the world needs and not create Russia as the bogeyman because that Build Back Broke project has to run.

Prices of stock and Crypto was going down before this war drums are pounded. We know inflation goes because of the printing and debts rising long before this UKraine-Russia.

Yeah, I thought that the war can still be averted by dialogues. But we all know how hardline Putin is, so it's really scary that he has started to move troops and mobilised them.

The market is down obviously because of this news and there are a lot of uncertainties for our Ukrainian brothers down in there.

That announcement from Putin really says something about his decision on this whole affair. It's as if he knew from the get-go that nations will not be wary in meddling with the Russian-Ukraine conflict, and that he can easily go his own way to invade Ukraine without any oppositions. The markets will surely plunge more drastically in the coming days, and it has already been started by oil prices plunging. How the rest of the world reacts to this will be a deciding factor on where the markets will go, that's for sure.

Yes the stuff he says is hard to believe. You almost think who ever wrote it is making it up. Feel bad for all those people out there. Didn’t really think it would come to this but looking at what’s going on in the airport it all became a reality.

Hopefully he will come to his senses sooner than later so people don’t have to die due to this conflict, we will know more tomorrow when Biden steps in and hopefully calls an end to this. Going to be a long night.

As more market uncertainty arises due to the possibility of a war, probably expect more draw-downs across the board(stocks, crypto). It doesn't help that Putin is apparently going bollocks. I mean, those statements just gives me chills.  Imo it's the season to be defensive, rather than to make as much gains as possible, with altcoins being a really really bad pick.

With that said, prayers and best wishes to our Ukranian friends. Stay safe.