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Russia is currently the most powerful and strong country I have heard many praises of them on the internet.  In which it is said that Russia can destroy this whole world if it wants.No matter how strong countries like America are, they cannot spoil anything of Russia.  Because Russia has nuclear bombs and they are so dangerous that they have the power to destroy 100 countries like America in 1 minute.All I know is that America may not be as strong and powerful a country as it wants to be.  But they will think 100 times whether we should compete with Russia or not.A news report says that Russia has placed nuclear bombs on every country.  If any country dares to lay a finger on Russia, Russia will grind it to dust.Hahahahaha yes you are absolutely right because Russia has spread its fear all over the world.  If someone wants to take a country, Russia can give it, but what you have said, it can do it to them.

Russia is one of the real independent countries in the world.

They ain't like the NATO muppets. Look at Germany for example. They can't lift a finger unless their daddy the US approves it. That goes for every other NATO member. Once they are in, they become a pawn for the US. France, Italy, Germany, Spain you name it, all of these countries ain't no independent. They lost their independence once they accepted the US' aid during the WWII. They are only a cash cow for the US now. Daddy comes home when he is out of money, takes the money from the cash register and leaves...

The EU was going to have energy agreements with Russia, the daddy interfered and started a war. Daddy reminded the EU who their daddy is, messed Ukraine up, killed thousands of Russians... There is another war in the middle east and the EU can't buy any energy from the Arabs too.

Where are they going to get the energy?

From the daddy.

Come to daddy.

Daddy has cheap energy.

But it is on the other side of the damn ocean??

Whaat, are you going to make a deal with Russia??

I'll fuck you up. Buy my energy.

The trade of oil is very convoluted and Russia is always trying to hide the source of shipments, however the UK government like all others is pretty effective at cracking down on it. What you seem to be ignoring is the fact that India, along with other Middle Eastern states and many other states, openly buy this oil that is stained with the blood of every Ukrainian. If you think that a few shipments that get investigated and shut down, compared to the wholesale trade of it by others, is a big deal to the UK economy - then you really are clueless to the scales involved here. There is satellite monitoring which would make it impossible to get away with such dirty deals on a large scale in any European connected waters.

Good marketing can make a bad product sell more than a good product. Marketing is as important as having a product.

Russia is truly blessed with a lot of resources, and they have enriched themselves. If you look at Russia, they have built their country with those resources, and that is why they have all the money they use to empower themselves in weapons and other neclure weapons. However, it is not enough to want to even build weapons; there are other things that money can be used for, and Russia is one of the most feared countries because of their policies.

They are supposed to be other alternatives for electricity, and I am surprised that many countries are still using coal to generate electricity. Why not switch to new modern ways of generating electricity, such as turbines and many clean ways of generation, such as solar and batteries, when it even helps to reduce heat and hazardous things that will make the environment clean.

Their is always a shake in the global market when it comes every time they are going to war and the thing I hate most is how puttin enjoys going to war because of in relevant things. And only countries that depend on them for supplies are the one to suffer when they are at war.

This is not limited to Russian oil, such practice of circumventing sanctions by use of the intermediate shipping channels. This is a known aspect of international oil trade: close down the oil fields and continue business as usual even as pressured by politics. Business and profits as you noted in such instances normally takes precedence. Even more so for countries and corporations interested in accruing income from energy exploration, irrespective of the source.

Really interesting stuff Regarding this is the long-term effect it might have on the economy as a whole and the oil market itself. While these transactions would probably help the UK in the short term, It might also increase the global foreclosure market significantly. Especially if there are other countries that use similar measures oil price fluctuations combined with geopolitical tensions this can cause volatility not only in currencies such as GBP but also in volatility.

It also raises some ethical considerations regarding the sanctioning process, whether or not these countries intend to make profits from such transactions. It then creates a hybrid situation in that the economic as well as political interests involved change constantly. I would like to know how long this can drag on before there's a serious tiff in international relations.


Indeed you are correct, vast Russia resources also play an essential role in the world economy. Russia's dependency on oil, coal, and other supplies even in the face of a political crises Diverges how the world is integrated, countries like the United Kingdom And many more are found on an incongruous position. That is, taking a political stand on the war in Ukraine. Yet, still wanting the same Russian resources to wage war to generate revenues.

Diplomatic relations between England and Russia especially in the field of trade It still clearly has an underground role. Even though it was boycotted by the public. Sanctions are supposed to weaken the Russian economy. But as we saw in the energy crisis across Europe, It is difficult for many countries. To completely cut off such a valuable resource.

What's interesting here is how the war highlighted the ease of access to energy around the world. and how wars can force states to Rethinking its energy strategy Many people are already investing in renewable energy. But in the short term Expectations for Russian assets show that the global economic chain remains highly vulnerable.

I suspect that this crisis will make countries Is it faster to switch to renewable energy? Or will we continue to see such measures for short-term economic gain?

There is no conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Russia made a military invasion of Ukraine in order to seize its territory and destroy the independence of this state. This is the most ordinary aggressive and large -scale war, in which hundreds of thousands of people from both sides die. Therefore, it is necessary not to exert pressure on the "political leaders", but specifically to Putin and his environment, so that he would withdraw his occupation troops from Ukraine. And for this it is necessary to use all funds - from sanctions, diplomatic efforts to destroy the invading Russian soldiers by providing all kinds of assistance to Ukraine to reflect Russian aggression.

Sanctions cannot work effectively in a short time, but they slowly and confidently give their destructive effect for the Russian economy. Russia has vast territories and in this regard, large available reserves. But when they run out, it will be very difficult to raise the economy. Most likely, through internal conflicts as the consequences of this war, Russia will fall into many independent states. This will be a clear lesson for those authoritarian states that are now observing the progress of this war.

Russia is a country rich in all kinds of natural resources. Most of the world's countries depend on Russia's crude oil, coal, uranium, and other natural resources. If Russia stopped exporting coal, the lights wouldn't go on in many countries because many countries' power plants would shut down. Russia and the UK have good diplomatic relations and the United Kingdom is heavily dependent on Russia in many ways. When the Russia and Ukraine wars were organized we saw many countries facing problems for war.

In this war of personal interests and hypocrisy things are taking changes even many are believed Russia is losing on due to mass loses of its weapons and other things but still they are standing why it's important because they are getting their money from selling oil and natural gas through few points which are open and no one have power to stop them with we all know things are going worst for Ukraine as well, but truce is not acceptable for anyone here at this point.

In coming weeks most chances we will be stayed on this same level because it's favourable for few countries with this situation they are taking profit as well Russia is always destroyed by themselves because they have never been going to stop things which are vulnerable for them.

Here best point is just these countries try to sit and have some solution about few areas and things which can make things easier for all stakeholders otherwise this war is going to long as they can with EU is having own interest so they will be keep stand behind Ukraine but still can't do anything positive for them as well.

Despite the Kremlin's daily propaganda among the Russian population about the necessity and justice of attacking Ukraine, as well as maintaining the myth of Russia's invincibility, more and more Russians are becoming convinced that their SVO in the third year of the war is clearly not going according to the intended scenario and the war they have unleashed is increasingly moving to the territory of Russia itself, especially after the Armed Forces of Ukraine occupied about 1,300 square kilometers of Russian territory in the Kursk region on August 6. But it is one thing to watch Russian troops victoriously advancing across a foreign country from the couch on TV, and another when they increasingly began to see the consequences of the war from the windows of their apartments or houses.

Until now, the recruitment of Russians into the army took place on the basis of large payments to servicemen, including one-time payments, which have already reached 2 million rubles. But human resources are not endless in Russia either. If all these years about 70 percent of Russians supported Putin and his SVO in Ukraine, now their belligerence is sharply declining.

Only a little more than a third of Russians are ready to continue fighting, almost half of Russian citizens want an urgent peace. Almost half of Russian citizens, 49%, support the conclusion of peace with Ukraine and the withdrawal of Russian troops without achieving the goals of the so-called "SVO", as the war against Ukraine is shamefully called in the Russian Federation.

This is evidenced by the results of a survey by the Chronicle project and the Extreme Scan research group from September 10 to 17. It is noted that 49% is the highest figure since the beginning of the war, while only 33% of Russians are ready to fight to the bitter end, which is the lowest figure since February 2022.

In addition, 63% of Russians support the conclusion of peace between Ukraine and the Russian Federation on the basis of mutual concessions, if this happens within the next year. 49% chose peace instead of mobilization, only 29% supported a new wave of mobilization and the actual continuation of the war.

It is interesting that the number of those who are not afraid to openly speak about their unwillingness to sign a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense and go to war has grown significantly - there are 30% of them. On the other hand, the number of Russians ready to go to war has fallen to 32%.

https://www.unian.net/world/rekordnoe-chislo-rossiyan-vystupili-za-zavershenie-voyny-bez-dostizheniya-celey-putina-opros-novosti-mira-amp-12764094.html

That would mean Putin would accept to defeat and when you are a dictator the only thing you have is the illusion that you have power. If you lose that power then what stops people from making you take a step back one more time and than one more time and then again and again.

This is why he is willing to keep his position and illusion of power as long as he has to, and Russia is still falling in line with him, sending soldiers, nobody knows what to do, I am sure they do not want this war neither but elections are famously rigged, hell if someone looks like they may win, Putin just kills them, so it's clear that we are seeing this changing long term and I believe that we are going to see Putin keep attacking and as long as Russians do not stop him, which would be near impossible, they will end up dying in thousands as long as this war goes on. Neither side could stop at this point and I think we are going to see both side be in a constant war state for many many years.

In order for the war between Ukraine and Russia to end, Putin's Russia must first of all want it to. Putin can end this war any day by withdrawing his troops from Ukrainian territory. The end of the war on the part of Ukraine will lead to its complete capture and mass extermination of Ukrainians and the destruction of Ukraine as a state. A truce is impossible here, since Putin perceives the desire for negotiations as a manifestation of weakness, and then, on the contrary, he becomes impudent in his demands.

In addition, Russia will use any truce to prepare for new military aggression, since Russia's military potential has already been significantly destroyed on the battlefield in Ukraine. Putin is now bluffing in many ways in his threats. In order for the war to end as quickly as possible, it is necessary to eliminate Russia's ability to commit military aggression against other states.

It is possible to create buffer gray zones, but at the expense of the aggressor's territory. If someone does not agree, they can offer the territory of their country for this purpose.

These are all general phrases that have no practical usefulness. If you are in favor of Ukraine now sitting down at the negotiating table with Russia, then it should be recalled that in 2014 a ceasefire agreement was already concluded after Russia seized the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine, as well as parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions. This truce was never respected by Russia, because its goal was to capture all of Ukraine. Therefore, since 2014, there have been constant battles on the demarcation line, and in 2022, Russia directly attacked Ukraine from three sides, also using the territory of Belarus for this.

Now Putin’s Russia demands that Ukraine give Russia, in addition to the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, also Zaporozhye and Kherson. If you are for negotiations, then suggest what Ukraine should do in this case. Just also keep in mind that Russian troops are now harshly dealing with the population in the occupied territories for considering themselves Ukrainians and destroying everything Ukrainian, including books and textbooks. If you leave these territories to Russia, real terror of the civilian population will continue there.

Key to solutions are always available, but sadly things like these usually works after having worst currently same happening in Ukraine we can go ahead with table talk and things ca sorted out without any problem but as mentions personal ego and allow common peoples to have relief because we all checking what is happening but just voice versa going around and all are playing number games even now Trump is also saying after re-electing as president he will use his power to sorted out this all but until then we have more causalities and more troubling life for millions.

Currently, we are having many areas which can settled with the table talk but no one is interested because they are having own priorities and just going ahead with them because without having their own priorities no one will bring solid solution for this all business is going ahead with sanctions are also staying, but all is working well.

You absolutely do not understand what Russia is doing in Ukraine now and what goals it is pursuing. Putin's Russia wants to destroy Ukraine as a state and Ukrainians as a nation. In the occupied territory of Ukraine, everything Ukrainian is destroyed and Russian is implanted; for any words of sympathy for Ukraine, people are shot or deported thousands of kilometers deep into Russia into depressed regions for the purpose of assimilation, and Russian citizens are transferred to the occupied territory of Ukraine. After this, do you propose to hold referendums there under the watchful supervision of armed Russian soldiers?

What does this have to do with the pride of Ukraine? Ukrainians are now fighting for their survival, freedom and independence. Who should we negotiate with if Russia has already included in its constitution the ownership of the Ukrainian peninsula of Crimea and four regions of Ukraine as Russian territory? Do you want Ukraine to leave its citizens there to be torn apart by Russia? Have you seen what the Russians did and continue to do in the occupied settlements of Ukraine? Mass graves of civilians and numerous torture chambers are found everywhere. Therefore, any Russian occupier is destroyed by the Ukrainian Armed Forces if he does not surrender.

"Let's find a solution" is something I do agree that should be very important to handle, it's basically what we should all be doing. I understand that it is not going to be easy, but it could definitely be something that will take a while. All in all, people should realize that if the war was meant to be over, leaders could have gotten together and finish it by now, if they both wanted it to be over, it would have been over. What we are seeing right now is that both sides are putting their pride before anything else, and that's why they are having this situation.

A solution could be found, like some grey area, not Ukraine and not Russia area, independent, or put it up for voting there, give a truce for a while, fix things, and then do elections there to decide. It is not important what's the end result, if they wanted it to end, it would have been over now.

Indeed, war will create an impact of uncertainty in the economic sector, the war situation in Ukraine has a very serious impact on the global, with Russia attacking Ukraine causing hostility between countries, on the other hand, those who attack are avoided by countries close to it by cutting off trade in all sectors including England initially supplied oil from Russia, because they objected to the Ukrainian attack they broke off the existing cooperation, but after the attack
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all Russian oil imports said they would import from other market countries that had oil wells, as a result of this the war had a very detrimental effect on all parties.

EU should be the largest trading partner for Africa because its only a few miles between the southern parts of Spain and the northern coast of Africa which is an entire continent of course.

  Logistics will matter alot there, its far easier for those two trading blocs to swap goods to mutual advantage and that is the base line for regular profitable trade.

If we are discussing trade and oil then its about China really as China lacks oil and also shares a border with Russia.   There is some trade ongoing there but its not to the extent that EU previously traded with Russia for oil and gas; famously Germany decided this was a good idea to be fully reliant before doing a full reverse.   This volatility and lack of foresight was important in the lead up to war imo.

   I personally expect trade to decide this war and the direction of economies and nations in this area.  People have ideals and ideas across a broad spectrum but its quite simply decided by money alot of the time.  Wars are expensive in all respects and not profitable like mutual trade is.

   China needs Russian oil, they have little and this is also true of India though they are more distant but this aspect of supply and demand is a larger factor in outcome determination then other factors.

The situation with war and peace in Ukraine is not as simple as it seems at first glance. Putin's Russia cannot agree to a fair peace agreement with Ukraine, since this would mean defeat in the war and the collapse of Putin's regime and his personal death. Therefore, Russia has already introduced four regions of Ukraine into its legislation and now demands that Ukraine withdraw its troops from these territories and give them to Russia, and also put forward other demands that are in fact the capitulation of Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine will never agree to such conditions.

In addition, in Ukraine they understand perfectly well that even if they agree to such enslaving conditions, this will not bring the long-awaited peace. Russia will use the truce to rebuild its battered army and will again attack the rest of Ukraine with the goal of capturing the entire territory. Russia's seizure of parts of Ukraine in 2014 only led to a full-scale invasion in 2022. Therefore, real peace can only come after the complete defeat of the Putin regime.

Some Western politicians are also making a proposal that they say, let's let the people of the occupied territories of Ukraine choose for themselves which country they want to live with and hold a referendum there. But, firstly, a referendum at gunpoint of Russian tanks and machine guns leads to only one result with numerous violations of electoral law, which actually turns into an imitation of elections with predetermined indicators of their results. Secondly, Russia is already actively importing its citizens to the occupied territories and deporting Ukrainians from there to various depressed regions of Russia for the purpose of their assimilation. Who do you think the Russians who have been displaced to the territory of Ukraine and thus become Ukrainians will vote for?

Each side will defend their own reason, and they will always be right for what they did, they will always find a reason why they are right. Obviously, we will say that whoever shot the first bullet is the wrong one, but even those people will make sure that they have a "good" reason to do it, you may disagree, or you may agree, but the one thing we all have in common that we would love it to stop.

There is no reason to fight, get on the table, chat, and figure out a solution that is peaceful and even if you have to do some other way, make elections and let people decide on the resolution. We will have zero problems left after that, because killing each other will NEVER be the solution to anything in the world, haven't been for once, won't be ever.

In this situation, the best way to peaceful coexistence is not to make sharp attacks and not escalate the situation, as Russia did by attacking Ukraine. It is quite possible that Russia would have gotten away with this, but Ukraine showed unprecedented tenacity in defending its territorial integrity and freedom and the United States took advantage of the good opportunity to weaken Russia militarily, economically and politically. So in the current difficult situation for Russia, Russia has only itself to blame. Russia is accustomed to resolving issues through blackmail, intimidation and military force. But it didn’t work here because there was too much at stake on the part of Europe and the United States. There, although belatedly, they realized that after Ukraine the attack would be on the EU countries and then they, together with NATO, would have to fight directly. If they had not started helping Ukraine, in the coming years it would have cost them much more than it does now.

I feel like making it look this way is quite important, we should remember that why we are doing this is and why USA vs Russia situation exists to begin with. I think it is simply because they are powerful, and they are literally afraid of each other. Don't get me wrong, I am not supporting one side or the other, I am just saying Russia is afraid of USA being too powerful, and USA is afraid that Russia would be too powerful, which is a trouble and we can't really make it work some other way.

Best way to go about this would be just realizing that we are going to end up with something that will take a while, and because of this situation being a "goats locked their horns" type of thing, we may never find any solution to this issue.

It is most profitable for Russia to trade with India in rubles, but India does not need rubles. Back in the middle of last year, reports began to appear in the media about problems that Russia had in mutual settlements with India. In August, former Minister of Finance and ex-head of VTB24 and Otkritie banks Mikhail Zadornov said that billions of dollars in rupees were stuck in India, with which local buyers paid for Russian hydrocarbons. “Russia supplied $30 billion worth of oil and petroleum products to India in the first half of the year, and our imports from India are estimated at approximately $6–7 billion per year. We have nothing to buy from India, but we cannot return these rupees because the rupee is an inconvertible currency."

Therefore, when issuing export invoices, Russian companies increasingly began to use the yuan, which is easy to convert into rubles due to its high liquidity. As a result, oil imports from Russia, paid for in Chinese yuan, are growing, and the share of the dollar is declining. However, Indian refineries, primarily those owned by state-owned companies, are wary of the yuan. The only Indian importer currently paying for oil in yuan is Reliance Industries, owned by billionaire Mukesh Ambani. State-owned Indian Oil, Hindustan Petroleum and Bharat Petroleum actively use the dirham. This selectivity is due to the Indian government's policy to limit payments in yuan due to growing geopolitical tensions with China and the struggle for influence in the Asia-Pacific region. At the business level, the reason is the high currency risks when making payments in yuan compared to using the dirham, the exchange rate of which is de facto pegged to the US dollar.

Therefore, when Russia sells its oil to India, Russia has a huge problem with the settlement currency after it was prohibited from trading in the dollar and the euro.

After the successful attack, by Ukrainian surface drones, of the Russian terrorist fleet and facilities in the Black Sea, Russia has a prospective real problem with oil supplies through the port of Novorossiysk.
This is the largest oil hub through which the terrorist country continues to sell oil.  At risk is the loss of shipments of about 1,500,000 barrels of oil per day. This is great news as the terrorist country will receive much less money for terrorism.
There is a slight downside - a short-term increase in the price of oil.  But, 1,500,000 million barrels is not a critical volume for the world market - for example, Saudi Arabia has a "reserve" for daily production of about 2,000,000 barrels, which they will launch on the market immediately after the Russian oil in the specified volume stops coming to the market. Nothing personal - just business

PS There is an assumption that the refineries in the territory of the terrorist country and its "hand dog" Belarus SSR are also at risk Belarus became a full-fledged aggressor against Ukraine when strikes were launched from its territory. Now the objects on the territory of Belarus, providing technical assistance to terrorist troops, become legal targets.

These can be, for example, Kirishinefteorgsintez refinery, Ryazan Oil Refining Company, Tuapse refinery, and in the BSSR - Mozyr refinery - those refineries that are within the range of missiles armed by the AFU.

I do not think that Putin would really care about us lol. There are people who literally run away from Russia, so they do not call up for soldier work, and there was even a military organization (mercenary) that started to attack Russia itself, I mean like Russian mercenaries themselves, and they got what they wanted so they went back to war of course, but that's what we are seeing at this moment, I do not think that us voicing our opinion would really be cared at all. They will do whatever they want to do as long as they can until they can't.

You can defeat them in literally 1 week if you want to, but the nuclear war possibility makes it impossible. USA could send their "trillion dollar a year" worth military and it will be over in a week, but then what if Putin uses Nuclear weapons? That's why it has taken this long.

Well, you're not exactly presenting the information honestly

1. India has been and still is buying oil for Rupiahs for the most part. This is confirmed by Russian official statistics. Yes, everyone already knows that the attempt to "abandon the useless dollar and switch to local currencies" has failed. But the flow of rupees into the Russian budget has not been greatly reduced. Yes, a small part of it is in yuan, it is true, as India and China have quite dense economic relations.
2. Yes, China is trying its best, using today's situation, to get as many fools as possible on the "yuan needle".  The goal is simple and clear, but not everyone understands The goal is to export the problems of the economy through the yuan to other countries. Yes I agree - in a way it is an attempt to save the economy, it can be presented as strengthening China.
3. Except that it does not strengthen Russia in any way. Today, it has become a cheap, submissive, raw materials appendage of China and India, and has lost its position as the "second pole of the bipolar world" thanks to China. Or am I missing something? Then explain. But according to the indicators of budget fulfillment - failure by 50% on oil revenue is already declared officially by you russia....

The problem is that India has started purchasing Russian oil with yuan which makes China more powerful, and Russia more powerful by proxy. India's purchasing Russian oil from Dubai based energy firms as well, trading with their local currency. Many non-dollar and non-rupee alternatives are out there for Russia.

Only solution is to devalue oil by increasing supply. OPEC wouldn't bother getting involved, it's within their interest to monopolize oil production. The U.S. is one of the few western countries that would be able to ramp up production.

Yes, it is foolish to say that sanctions are the perfect tool and that they work 100%.
But again, there is a nuance. The purpose of sanctions, if we are talking about oil, is not to stop the sale of oil from a terrorist country, but to reduce its budget income to the maximum, so that it would be more difficult to finance a terrorist operation in Ukraine.
And here - all is well! The fall in revenues to the Kremlin's budget from the sale of oil amounted to about -50%! And this is a great indicator!
Yes, some are taking advantage of the situation, such as India - India is not only buying very cheap oil! It also pays, not in the critically needed currency (dollars), but in rupees, for which Russia cannot buy anything important. Why ? Because India has banned the sale of competitive products to Russia, for rupees - they are sold only for currency. And at the same time, India also banned Russia from exchanging rupees for dollars So the main goal has been achieved, while India's partners to whom it sells oil products are satisfied, India receives the currency ... In a word, everyone except Russia benefits ...

This is precisely why sanctions are useless. There are always avenues for circumvention.

India reselling Russian oil to European market: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/fuels-russian-oil-gets-backdoor-entry-into-europe-via-india-2023-04-05/

If the west wanted to actually combat Russian oil exports, they should have flood the markets with cheap oil by ramping up their own production. The U.S. had plenty in reserves and plenty drilling capacity but for their own political reasons, couldn't be bothered to ramp up energy exports because it would upset the climate change/green energy fanatics.

It would be great if the op actually added sources to the claim, so that we could see where the info is coming from, and how credible it is. The UK officially committed to stopping the imports of Russian oil and gas by the end of 2022, but that, of course, doesn't mean that it followed through. That being said, I don't see any credible articles that claim that the UK is still importing Russian oil as of Q2, 2023. And there is information that they're no longer doing that.
As for the possibility of buying oil from an intermediary, it can be the case, but once again, actual sources would be appreciated.

But what is more sad is that there is still a large part of the people who believe and fanatical in what this warlike nation says, they worship America and consider it a savior. Look at the war between Russia and Ukraine, which country benefits the most from arms sales, controlling rivals, export inflation...while not having to fight and not wanting the war to stop.

People who talk about morality and they always say they are good people, the more dangerous and unpredictable they become. Just like the scammers in the cryptocurrency market, those who always talk about morality, always want to help and bring wealth to others are mostly scammers.

No, it won’t work, you were the first to say that I was wrong - you have the cards in your hands - tell me how it really was, but for now I will invite the neighbors to watch this, your mega-humorous performance

He began to deny - prove with words, whether as always - you behave like a putty, the main thing is to open your mouth, but not have arguments?
And then fairy tales about Western textbooks have gone. Well, tell me - what do they write there, in Western textbooks, links to them? Or enjoy your status as an "information dummy", which you try to prove time and time again, and very skillfully at the same time!

By the way, about the attempt to "throw nonsense and run away" - let's get back to this issue, where you said that the numbers do not correspond to reality ... But the truth is, you didn’t indicate what kind of mistake, and didn’t bring any argmunets. Just air accusations, and nothing more
And so - bring a refutation of this data, from another, unfortunately closed topic:

My answer:

And some statistics for understanding trade with Africa, or rather "its savior - Russia"
Trade with African countries:
EU - $415 billion
China - $212 billion
United States - $68 billion
Turkey - $32 billion
Savior of Africa, Russia - 10 billion dollars !!!! : Grin Grin Grin Grin

Your next empty comment

"Could you provide the links to your sources? However, I think I already know the answer... certainly you can't because it's a lie. Quickly running through the list you provided I can see some numbers are completely off (up to 100%) Please fix and stop spreading lies."

And so - your answer, with numbers and evidence? But I know what will come in response - a stream of nonsense and regular accusations is not clear what


PS "I could only make out a portion of what you were saying. The remaining part is some completely unintelligible gibberish. Perhaps you can discuss skiing at home and cooking in a fridge with your fellow psychiatric facility patients. I'm sure that'll be fun! " - it was an attempt to answer in your style, thanks for the rating, this is how most of your "knowledge" is perceived 

Yes, unfortunately, this is true. The interest of countries, especially the United States, always comes first. The United States always tries to show itself that it is a messenger of peace, but the truth is that words are one thing and actions under the table are something completely different.

These sayings are to influence the masses who are the fuel of wars because they are the ones who suffer from wars, destruction and poverty resulting from wars, while politicians practice hypocrisy in secret and work contrary to all the things they say and get rich and satiated as a result of war trade.

The US is the one who has the right to decide everything about the war between Ukraine and Russia, Ukraine is just a front on the battlefield and any agreement to armistice or continue the war will be decided by the US, Ukraine has no right to decide. 

It is very normal for the EU or any other country to quietly buy oil and gas from Russia. Although the war is still fierce, but all need to maintain their economies under all circumstances. This is not really a secret, but for the sake of both parties, this news will never appear in the media.

The US is just a country and they will always put their own interests first, it's silly to believe what they say. A warlike country and rich from war but always consider itself a messenger of peace.

Is this not the highest form of hypocrisy? telling everyone to despise a nation while, behind the scenes, doing business with them. In this situation, who is lying to whom? It's time we stopped basing our decisions on what the US tried to convince us about Russia's conflict with Ukraine. If they can purchase Russian oil, they can still indirectly communicate with Russia about how they want the conflict in Ukraine to continue. 

Haha, so why don't you tell us all forum users what really happened and what was the reason USSR collapsed? Please please enlighten us! Would be great if you'd use some links to sources.

Don't send me to history books - no history book mentions western sanctions as the reason why it happened. They would say something like "people were tired of communism, planned economy and wanted change, freedom etc" but in reality I'm sure USSR got destroyed with some help from the 3 letter agencies by supporting national movements in the republics and local Russian liberal democrats.   

I could only make out a portion of what you were saying. The remaining part is some completely unintelligible gibberish. Perhaps you can discuss skiing at home and cooking in a fridge with your fellow psychiatric facility patients. I'm sure that'll be fun! 

That you didn't get it, that's pretty much expected
Now finish your hysterics, take your history books and start reading and studying. And stop accepting what so painfully distorts reality in your brain
And don't tell me, a resident of the USSR, fairy tales about what happened at that time, why and how it ended.
Or...no... And tell your version of "REALITY" about the history of the collapse of the USSR ? Very interesting reading will be, I'm sure ! Only preferably with figures, indicators, and facts ? I agree to your figures, facts - it will be much funnier !

I'll try to model your behavior: tell me, by the way - why do you wear skis and a short coat at home, over which you put a T-shirt, and put a gas stove in the refrigerator to cook food?

PS about IQ, I'm told by a man with a constant perfectly even line of encepholagram of the brain !  

That's good! UK, as a sovereign nation must take their own decision to safeguard the interest of their people. UK government surely knows that if they follow the US sanctions, the oil price will skyrocket in UK. So what they are doing is correct.

Why US always thinks they will control the other countries and their decisions? Entire EU has seen a drastic increase in energy price just because US issued sanctions on Russia.

Wake up guys! If you have slightest idea of international politics, you will understand it's a big gameplan of US to bring down the dominance of EUR and the economy of Eurozone. Apparantly there's no reason for NATO to include Ukraine in their group. Poland is now getting caught in the act.

1. the economy is becoming technological, not commodity-based. The fact that some resources have been held hostage by politics is a matter of time.
2. Regarding the Russian proposal to trade in national currencies, I have a few questions I want to hear from you
- What is Russia's success in trading oil and gas for rubles ?
- What is the success of russia in trading oil for rupees and yuan. What is the real income of Russia from these transactions, and how it is reflected on the filling of the budget of Russia on the articles "income from oil" and "income from gas" ?
Only please refer to the official figures and indicators, I assure you - there will be a lot of interesting things for you...
 interesting...

One thing that I see is really happening is that Russia is still standing and still providing everything necessary for their war and the lives of the people in the country. Of course, it cannot be said that they are immune and unaffected by such sanctions. But those sanctions do not seem to have had a big impact, not strong enough to stop Russia. They are still continuing the war and gradually achieving their military goals, which shows that every report is not true to what is going on. If indeed their economy is going down as you say, how can they be able to fight the US and EU in the war with Ukraine? They are against a bloc alone and they have stood firm until now.

Haha gave me a good laugh (as always) 

So, it turns out Soviet Union collapsed because of the western sanctions? Mkaaaay 

I'm not even sure what sanctions you mean? The 1980 grain embargo? 

Indeed, life can be hard with a room temperature IQ... 

I do not know if this is happening or not, but presuming that it is I do not find it strange, during the cold war the US bought indirectly from the USSR all kind of strategic resources like titanium, so it makes sense that the UK and other countries were doing the same with Russian oil which has been selling for cheap for some time.

Now this may seem to be a hypocritical move, and maybe it is, but governments are moved by self-interests, and if buying Russian oil benefits the UK then their leaders will make that move without even thinking about it.

Based on this article and this article what UK and EU doing is actually buying the Oil from third party like India who is actually getting their Oil from Russia. Looking at how this things going, how the EU and UK exploiting this loophole on their own punishment for Russia, all this sanction only look like a gimmick. All that being said, if the European country can't find the other way to fulfill their oil needs I can really blame them for doing this, also this sanction will not only harm Russia but also harming the EU and UK since they will need to buy more expensive oil from the second hand countries who bought Russian Oil.

In the upcoming resource-based global politics as always from History at least from a few years, Russia is standing among the top nations due to the natural resources they own. Russia is constantly working with foreign policy for trading its resources and making allies with trading strategies. Even Russia is trying to overcome the universal status of the USD which seems like going to be a success shot in the near future. Russia is offering Local currency trade for that purpose especially targeting the new Aisain market and Gulf markets. USD's global status ruined the economic cycle of many countries a few years back and still until now countries under the world bank and IMF are trapped in the USD reserves system which is obviously a bad move for their own current valuation and economy.

As Russia is heading up with new offers it might get helpful for those countries who are under economic crisis due to the IMF policies.

We cannot blame those countries for trying to find secret solutions to overcome their crises, especially since the repercussions of the Ukrainian war were catastrophic and sudden in a way that did not leave them enough time to adopt alternative solutions. The biggest of these crises was Russia's implementation of its threat to stop gas supplies through pipelines shortly before winter, especially since the countries that depended on Russian gas did not have enough stations to import and transfer liquefied gas. Add to that the cessation of grain supplies. How do you expect European countries that were partially or completely dependent on Russian or Ukrainian exports, which were also halted by the warة to live?

Let me remind you of history:
USSR being a more progressive and technologically advanced country. In a sense, the USSR had a self-sufficient economy.
The USSR was not technologically backward like modern Russia. The USSR had not only a resource economy, the level of third world countries, as now Russia has.
The USSR waged war for 10 years in Afghanistan, killing millions of Afghans and tens of thousands of its terrorists who went to kill Afghans.
The western world imposed sanctions against the USSR. and in 10 years the USSR ceased to exist !
Nothing is impossible! Especially now the position of Russia is on the back of world politics, its place has been taken by China, China benefits from stability. In fact, no one is interested in Russia, it has shat all over itself and stained itself in everything it can.

Well, the ultimate goal of sanctions is to make people's life uncomfortable enough to force them to choose another leader/government. I can't remind of any such event happening in the past. Cuba is living under sanctions since 1960s but no effect on nation's political course whatsoever. Venezuela? North Korea? Iran? Nope. So, sanctions are ineffective. In fact, they are doing more bad than good for the EU and US. Finally, as you have mentioned, they are definitely not going to stop the war. Therefore, sanctions should be cancelled ASAP to prevent further harm to Western economies.

Regarding the ruble, it was an exaggeration, but what I can tell you is that what works for other countries won't work for Russia. Russians are special in way, they can withstand much harsher conditions than many other nations. I know many Russians and my ex-wife is Russian too so I know what I'm talking about... 

A fine opinion, entitled to life, like any personal opinion.
But there is one problem... According to your words there are no problems, but the Kremlin is screaming on every corner - lift sanctions, and the state budget reports a 50% failure of oil revenues, while the volume of production has not decreased.
Don't you worry about such a severe dissonance from reality ?

PS and a question to ask - why do buyers of 90% of oil from the terrorist country pay in rupees and yuan, and forbid to exchange them for dollars, which for some reason have become so necessary for Russia ?

You have a raised valid concerns regarding limitations of economic sanctions in achieving desired outcomes. Economic sanctions may initially produce some results , but later targeted countries devise strategies to mitigate their impact on their economies overtime, and same thing is happening in Russia Ukraine conflict now.

The Russia Ukraine ongoing conflict has led to heavy human causalities, collateral damage and economic difficulties all over the world. We should raise our voices to exert pressure on political leaders to find effective ways to bring this devastating conflict to an end.

Sanctions have worked to an extent, but I don't believe sanctions can make Russia stop the war. This looks like a war in that the ego plays a very big role. Neither Russia nor Ukraine nor NATO would want to agree that they've been defeated.
Without the sanctions, Russia would have been able to do more harm to its enemies through economic means and otherwise. At this point, they're just looking for ways to survive whatever sanction that gets thrown at them and they've been managing well so far.


The ruble can't go to zero but I get your point. If the ruble goes to zero that would mean inflation will be at about 200% and no country can fight a war and win with that kind of inflation. The price of everything would be so expensive that they would be forced to turn their focus on the economy instead of war.

That's just how it is done, there isn't really anything that is done any other way. I do hope that people would change soon enough but I do not think that this is something people are shocked about. Oil is needed and no matter what type of block you put against it, when nations need it, they will end up going over that block and get it one way or another.

There isn't a world where we can live without oil at all. That's sad of course, because we should be able to, and we need to make sure that it goes well enough, but unfortunately it's not going to be that simple. We need to go into a world of renewable energy so that we could continue to do well, otherwise it doesn't really matter in the end and we will be depending on these other nations.

True, it is very easy to identify due to market volatility, it will raise fears that prices of everyday goods from food to gasoline and heating which are already rising rapidly, could soar even higher. on the other hand Russia is the second largest crude oil producer in the world and supplies about a third of Europe's needs.

With OPEC limiting their daily supply, countries would have to look for other resources and that's why it won't be surprising if that's happening.

And with all of these oil countries selling it are the ones who's making the bucks now and having a good economy. While those that don't have oil deposits and gas on their lands, they're the ones who's badly affected by these players in the world market.

Sanctions, borders and any other issues sticking with these countries. Still, at the end of the day you'll see them have their own trades no matter what boundary they have and will still find ways to acquire the cheapest ones.

Yes, yes, yes, the voice of reason, finally! Would you give your neighbor, whose house is on fire, some water, knowing that your children are thirsty? Probably no, that's brutal truth. Strong national governments take care of their people and won't send more aid than they can afford. Weak, artificially installed (and remotely governed from the other side of the pond) governments spend billions on Ukraine and neglect their own people.

If you don't blame them and know that the national interest must come first, you should not call them hypocrites, because they only do what is beneficial to the country and that is their responsibility. Although they are supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia, they cannot leave their people alone for the sake of outsiders. It is citizens who are the main factor determining the survival of European nations, not Ukraine's victory over Russia more important.
I don't support Europe for their continued support of war weapons but I wouldn't be surprised and support them if they buy Russian oil in any way.

Please don't take our little lying propagandist shill friend seriously. Here's some official data: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/whos-still-buying-russian-fossil-fuels-in-2023/

Guess who's TOP3 buyer of Russian fossils? Surprise! Turkey is also on the list btw, and Turkey is a NATO country.

Besides: https://nra.lv/latvija/410937-vairakus-menesus-caur-latviju-uz-ukrainu-ar-viltotiem-dokumentiem-tiek-vesta-krievijas-degviela.htm Google translate this article. It's about Ukraine secretly buying Russian oil with fake shipping documents.  

The Western sanctions are sabotaged with back room deals from India and China and some African countries. The markets just adapt and the Oil still flow through new channels to the UK and other countries that supposedly support the sanctions.

Russia has shown no indication that the sanctions are hurting them, because they just opened up new revenue sources through other nations. The sanctions are just a "smoke&mirror" show by Politicians to satisfy their voters, but the money and oil are still doing business like usual. 

There are no direct oil supplies to NATO countries. That's fantasy. There is foul play by some third party suppliers. Read above - I described the scheme of how some oil "resellers" hide Russian oil by mixing it with other grades and passing it off as oil of other origin. Minor volumes of such oil do get into the EU market. But both the EU and Britain and the U.S. are actively fighting this re-export of international terrorist resources.

Official statistics: 86%-87% of Russian oil is bought by India and China. Small volumes go to Turkey. A little goes to Asian countries: Vietnam, Bangladesh, Pakistan.

PS always check the information before evaluating it

I never knew that some NATO nations are still secretly buying oil from Russia. Before now I thought it was just China and India that are helping Russia invade sections. Most of these NATO nations are hypocrites if truly they are secretly buying oil and gas from Russia and are deceiving others to stop buying. The UK and other countries are always boasting that they are not buying Russian products because they have discovered alternative suppliers but still buying them in secret.

Sometimes I don't blame them because they are considering national interest before international politics. Russia is a big player in the oil and gas sector, hence many nations depend on it and will continue to depend on her for oil and gas for a long time. And because of the war, Russia is selling its product at discounts so most countries are attracted to Russia's oil and gas. This war in Ukraine has thought me that every nation should seek peace with other nations because war is unpredictable. And relying on allies for assistance during conflict might be a big mistake because most of them have limitations, hence they can disappoint.

You can tell tales of high prices to patients at the home for the mentally ill

And the fact that you are lying is easier to be convinced than to breathe ! According to the "forge of lies" - Russian official channels - oil sales have not fallen, prices have even increased...but the budget does not receive more than 50% of oil revenues, compared to the previous period. Question : 2+2 = 1,5 ?
And it is very easy to understand why. India and China, very cleverly, and for their own benefit manipulate Russia and its oil market. Yes, prices are announced at 60 and even higher. But there is a nuance:
- a high declared price is an excuse to fool their population into buying cheap gasoline (as they do in India).
- A high declared price in DOLLARS, a small manipulation turns into.... half of this money gets stuck in India (friendship - what do you want !? ). The rest - lies dead weight in Russia, as India does not sell dollars or critical goods for rupees )
- Also, China's purchase - the price is announced, but in the end - a pile of wrappers (yuan) in Russia and .... ALL, no more revenues, just phantoms and commodities for pennies, which neither Indians nor Chinese want to buy

Yeah but they still need oil for various other things. It’s not just oil -> oil, but it’s oil for running the vehicles, AC units, pumping the heated water through radiator, warming the corporate buildings, burning the stoves and what not. It’s not gonna stop at all. Europeans or someone else oil is as essential as its getting limited by its natural occurrence.

Definitely they know this very well and can’t survive without it. They will have to buy it at any cost to sustain the life they had.

We have come to era where they can’t go in the woods, collect and cut it to burn and heat things up for their daily lifestyle.

This is correct. It also applies to Russian gas after Russia cut off supplies through pipelines. As investigative media reports indicated that many European countries were finding their way to buy Russian gas through other means, and this was in their interest and Russia's interest as well, without showing this to the public.
The war in Ukraine has many peculiarities, especially since the main actor in it (Russia) has an important position in the global economy and in providing the basics of life for a large part of the planet's population, including the population of the closest neighbor (Europe).

No surprise there ! Russia, in its usual manner, tried, and partially succeeded, to cheat and circumvent the sanctions.
The scheme was very simple. At first oil was shipped to Baltic ports, there tankers of the terrorist country transferred their oil into other tankers, which were partially filled, for example, with European oil...Voila - it is no longer Urals, but.... well, something else.
And it was on its way to the nearest ports for sale.
This "trickery" was quickly unraveled, and deprived of support (insurance, Britain is the main provider of the service) all tankers that play not according to the rules. Russia began to panic to buy back old tankers and create a "shadow fleet" of tankers. But. The nuance is that these rusty troughs cannot sail far and are not accepted by EU ports. And they all sailed to places - where they don't care about risks and ecology - China and India. And they have been buying it back for pennies for many months now.....

Sanctions against Russia work, but not as effectively as originally thought, because the position of many states is not so unified, and there are many ways to circumvent them. Despite this, the sanctions are slowly and steadily eating away at the Russian economy like rust.

Sanctioned goods tend to rise in price initially because any such event causes panic in the market. The price of grain has also risen because Russia, after withdrawing from the grain agreement on July 17, began to deliberately launch missile and other attacks on the ports of Ukraine, destroying grain storage facilities as well. This causes a stir and additional panic.

You are delusional to think that sanctions can help fight Russia. Already now, many countries admitted they're buying oil from Russia at a higher price then the limit of $60/barrel set by the EU. Market doesn't give a damn about sanctions and limits. In fact, it works the opposite way - sanctioned goods and resources are getting more expensive (e.g. grain after the grain deal collapsed, oil immediately after the war started etc).

Even if the sanctions would work, it wouldn't lead to Russia stopping the war. Russia is a self-sufficient country. Factory workers are getting their salaries paid in rubles, military personnel is getting paid in rubles. Even if ruble will go to zero, Russia would still continue producing tanks and rockets and paying their military.   

Why is it surprising that these things always happen in wars, not only the United Kingdom, but I think that all of Europe buys Russian oil and gas, perhaps the United States also does so indirectly.

There are always no values in wars. Arms, contraband and secret deals are active. Politicians give us big words and slogans, but they secretly do morally flawed things. How do you buy oil from your enemy and help him continue his war?

There are massive sanctions globally against products from Russia including Russian oil, crude oil to reduce source of income for Russia and restrict their financial flow for their war against Ukraine.

It is a massive sanction efforts from the Western nations but there are always dark markets and Russia actually have some friendly nations to make business deals like China, North Korea, India and countries from Africa.

However sanctions actually reduce their income and their ability to buy and produce more ammunition, armed vehicles because no sanctions can be perfect in reality.

Why don’t the UK and EU use batteries and windmills? I thought oil and gas were bad especially when the seller is Russia… Buying and using oil (and from Russia!) is against the Western values. Some may even call this “treason”. The Europeans should eat vegetables and drive golf carts only. Meat and oil are for the undeveloped parts of the world.

Right, if Russia couldn't sell oil and gas, they wouldn't be able to sustain the war and their economy until now. But if the EU countries did not quietly or seek to buy Russian oil and gas through intermediaries, they would not exist today. All will be for their money and survival, but these things we will not see much in the media. War will continue until there is a loser, but commercial transactions between nations will never end under any circumstances caused by war.

I have stopped following the issue some time ago, but at the time I echoed it:

LMAO: India resells Russian oil to the European Union.

I don't know what kind of hypocrisy underlies this, but it seems to be continuing.


I would at least hope that overall sales to the EU have been reduced, otherwise the show is at its best.

So far as I know the oil goes to India and China which are quite large enough to use it all in theory.  Its only the logistics restricting their consumption really and the ability to buy through clearing not subject to sanctions.   UK is importing oil from Norway last I checked and would be in trouble if not for that quite local support from a small but friendly nation.   UK used its reserves mostly and is not searching to develop more, long term even Russia has a problem with developing its resources properly and efficiently.    
  The reason I say India is because they have only found a small amount of oil in a large expanse and populated nation.  Also India has a policy to import raw crude and make a business from refinement, in fact Indian companies bought UK assets to do so there also but India has a more friendly policy to Russia then many nations I suppose for long term reasons.    UK has literally suffered nerve agent attacks on its mainland from Russian agents, it would be surprising if they ignore all the possible avenues of oil from allies and then transported from so far away.  Anything is possible but sometimes improbable is your best guidance. 
  Russia might have already failed in its war generally if they had sold no goods outside its borders however they do find markets imo its on its borders mostly.

Not a secret actually. Even Ukraine is secretly buying oil from Russia via the Baltic states, Bulgaria, Turkey etc using US and EU aid. Same for the natural gas. Most countries are doing it although it's not announced publicly.

Russian oil been sold from UK first they took oil to dark UK sea conours and load to different ships.
Everything is money and business so a lot wealthy get profit so off course no questions asked.
So no Wonder why british gbp was going up and forex market has a lot demand becouse of russian oil

The oil been sold to Europe the EU bought and still buy it from UK