Topic: Russian Protests (Read 2836 times)

I will believe the first part, when you could present concrete evidence to support your wild claim. And regarding the second part, Yes. Kadyrov and his goons had killed dozens of Russian soldiers during the 1990s. But after almost a decade, his father was assassinated by the rebels for supporting Russia.

You forgot to say that with the name of Kadyrov attributed the murder of Nemtsov. It is also a democratic penalty? I do not approve of gays, but that is no reason for penalty. And you saw the democratic execution of Russian soldiers in Chechnya? Kadyrov took part in them.

They're doing a democratic execution, it's completely okay.

The practice of rounding up and executing gays are not confined to the Republic of Chechenya. Even in the middle eastern nations such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, the same practice is followed, although they never face the same amount of criticism which Kadyrov face.

I think that Putin is afraid of the protests and once again gave the command to attack. Every time it is necessary to tighten control or to wage war, he uses the services of terror. Now, under the pretext of combating terrorism will ban the rallies.

The authorities have some problems, but the people have others. Despite this, will the people be able to demand something from the authorities? Russia is very large and the people can be very dissatisfied. If any effective results will be protests, it is only like 1917. To the blood was a lot, otherwise just with posters will not achieve anything.

I would not exaggerate the importance of Kadyrov. He's just a terrorist. No one would give him to come to power. Now Putin is afraid of everyone and keeps Kadyrov as a cover while he will run away abroad. If Putin will not Kadyrov will not need anyone to destroy it or he will return to Chechnya, and it will secede from Russia.

Most Chechen's are islamic extremist and  Ramzan Kadyrov is no saint either, His human rights abuse sometimes surpasses Putin himself, eventhough am strongly anti gay, Rounding up and executing gay people is not good thing to do.

For sure, muslims are OK.
But Kiev Jews are in love with salafi jihadists.



Ugly salafi at the work on Kiev Bendera-Jews.

Putin is a dictator like all the rest. He's no better than the Muslims. Now the authority of Putin in the world is at zero. He will not long survive in power. I think that Russia is on the verge of civil war.

I don't think a muslim leader in super powered nuclear country like Russia will be good for the entire, Muslims already on an aggressive path against most western countries. I think Putin should stay in power till the forseeable future.

It was a defense against a coup. Ramzan Kadyrov is a true leader, and leaders can not like everyone unconditionally.

It was a natural resistance against the coup d'état. There was a coup in Moscow, and these soldiers were sent there by the drunkard Yeltsin, who was a part of Washington-installed puppet regime. Just like another illegitimate dictator, Petro Poroshenko, is sending soldiers to kill his own citizen in the Eastern Ukraine. In such a situation I'd be among the first people who would carry weapons to protect themselves. These soldiers made their choice when they decided to follow the criminal orders.

Who is Kadyrov's good? Which tree did you fall? He killed Russian soldiers during the first Chechen war, and now good? Do you tell the soldiers ' mothers who lost in the war, and their sons. Wait'll you see what he can do.

I agree. Kadyrov admires many and he is a vivid example of the fact that Muslims can be good.

Am I right that you've performed an opinion poll and asked every russian citizen about that?

Nothing can be worse than Ukraine. Even Somalia has a stable government in comparison with this joke.

As far I remember, russians have no problem with sufism, which is a traditional form of islam here. We have lived with muslims since the middle ages and there were no significant religious conflicts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt8pEu4FiTQ

Most of the shit has begun in 1990s, when Saudi-paid propagandists came to Caucasus. It's only a matter of time when these salafi and wahhabi groups will be exterminated completely, Kadyrov and other sufis will take care of that.

You are wrong about that. Kadyrov's net approval rating is in the positive. A lot of ethnic Russians and other white minorities such as the Germans and the Chuvash admire him. And although he is a religious Muslim, he is extremely tolerant about the other faiths.

He is hated by all Russians and if he somehow miraculously becomes president, then mass rallies and protests will begin. It will be even worse than in Ukraine. Kadyrov has no chance to become president until Russians recognize Islam

I don't think the Russians will allow the arrival of Kadyrov to power, but that he will try to do it you can not even doubt. I'm sure that soon Russia will wait for a serious civil conflict which will lead to the disintegration of Russia.

There must be a huge coup in order for Ramzan Kadyrov to become president of Russia, because Islam will become the main or additional religion in the country.

It's up to the mass media. Kadyrov can take his place, just like Obama was able to replace Bush. In fact, it would be even simpler, since Putin and Kadyrov are both white.

Indeed, there is no one to replace Putin yet, and there is no guarantee that the new ruler will be better. Kadyrov is a good person in my opinion, but unfortunately he can not take this place. So Russia will have to live with Putin

I don't know who will succeed Putin in Russia. Right now, there are no good candidates. United Russia leaders such as Dmitry Medvedev and Sergey Lavrov are not very popular. Ramzan Kadyrov and Sergey Shoygu may not be able to take the post due to their ethnic origin. Among the opposition activists, the only viable candidate (Alexey Navalny) is hated by the majority of the population.

LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_presidential_election,_2018

The Russians will not revolt against Putin, the only way that even revolution can take place is after the death of President Putin. And it may shock some people that after Putin is gone will we see some people who are far worse than Putin himself.

Where have you seen in the world that the dictator voluntarily gave up power? Unfortunately Russian is doomed to a bloody revolution. Their inability to unite and the awe of power makes them an easy target for law enforcement.

WOW, can i see some claims in that day?
There is nothing similar. http://ru.reuters.com/article/topNews/idRUKBN1710RO-ORUTP  (In Russian)
What mean pale climbing is for me unclear.

It's great to see that average Russians weak up and stand against dictatorship and luck of freedom.
Of course, Putin have control over all media, police, secret service and, in the short period, there is no chance to change everything.
Putin will win next presidential election, it's obvious.
In Russia, historically, every real changes in society could come through revolution only.
Last revolution they had 100 years ago with Lenin.
No way that Putin will give up from power in peaceful way.
But, he can't sleep peacefully any more

This one is dead.

No surprise there. Not even the Russian expats living in the Western nations are supporting these protests. Only the cretin supported by Soros and Boris Berezovsky are actively supporting these protesters.

LOL, the epic fail is evident, in this topic are no Russians, who support this "protest".

Its the right to protest against what they feel is not right. Putin is a dictator no doubt about it.Am thinking without his involvement, Russia will surely fall.

Are You banned on rferl.org?
Go to some MoveOn.org for brainwashing.

Why only the Americans? The whole world knows that Putin .... Remember the famous song? There are certainly politicians who praise Putin, but it's paid trolls who betrayed their country. I hope these traitors will not be able to harm their countries and soon we will witness the fall of the power of a bloody dictator Putin.

Do you think that propaganda is being conducted in America against Putin's policy? Perhaps this is too obvious or am I mistaken?

Putting the billboard with name of "Putin 666" written not in Russian is a direct example of
the "proof" how "good" the money are spended on the front of "sponsors".

What will thinking someone if will check billboard not in English on similar mob in USA?

The fight against corruption is a huge problem in many countries. Ordinary people who went to the rally can not overcome all corruption, it is necessary that someone stronger come to power and develop a full-fledged scheme for fighting corruption. Although I would not be surprised if someone paid money to these people so that they went to protest

putin666 this got me laughter how can Putin be 666. 666 is going to be a world system were the idea will be sold to men from the religious leaders and men will live the right way of worship through God and following men teaching. I think the guy that carry that sign need that beaten.

That is getting close to the core of the problem with police.

Police are given money to do what normal people in a decent society should do for free.

But money isn't enough, they demand to be respected for being paid for that 'work', and then they abuse their privileges to the extreme and demand to not have to pay the same price for crimes as others, all while strutting and whining that they are brave servants held to some high standard.

But the problem is that they are not a separate species, not a type of vermin that comes from elsewhere. The truth is, and it has been proven again and again, if you give a young guy a badge and a gun he is going to have fun with it. It doesn't matter rich or poor, black or white, give a 20 year old guy a gun and badge and the majority will turn gangster unless there is very harsh accountability to balance the phony respect.

It is a good thing to hire defective people as cops, as is done in the United States, so people do not have illusions that cops are really better. But if you are going to put a massive number of defective douche punks into a job you should give them what they need to succeed, and that is strict accountability. It lis better for them and for society to hold cops accountable at least to the same degree as others, something which has never been tried before in the United States at least.

I have heard horror stories about policemen from most of the ex-USSR states, such as Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan. Large number of police officers in these nations are corrupt, and they are even willing to kill you if you don't pay bribes. But at times, they provoke backlash from the people. An example here:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-11829793

In Russia, police and people are not compatible. There the police are in the service of the government, and not of the citizens of the country, therefore any action of the population will be met by opposition from the police.

I guess the difference here is that the police here don't really have a sparkling reputation to begin. Now add to that the general skepticism towards public servants and you have a population that either fear or hate the police but don't love them enough. When there's a confrontation between an individual and the police, people would automatically assume the police must have done something wrong or at least overreacted to the situation. Same with road rage incidents between rich and poor. If the video is insufficient to show who was in the wrong, people would assume it was the rich guy.

Don't go overboard. No one will defend a cop, who shoots an unarmed disabled man. That said, I will not support the individual if he is armed and is threatening the policemen. Because the firearm can be used by the normal people as well as by the disabled ones. It is a deadly weapon, even in the hands of a blind person.

The Philippines does not really jail too many people compared to the U.S.

Your incarceration rate is 140 people per 100,000, the U.S. rate is 693 or so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

Some sources put the U.S. at 666   http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison_population_rate?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All

In the U.S. there are two very distinct groups.

a) The appeasers who defend the police no matter what they do. The police in the U.S. can claim a quadraplegic in a wheelchair threatened them with a sharp object so they had to shoot him, and loads of people will cover the comments sections of newspapers to support the killing.

note, I looked on Google for the police shooting of a man in a wheelchair that occurred near a place I lived several years ago and cannot find it on Google!

The main case you see of police shooting a guy in a wheelchair on Google is an armed black guy in a wheelchair in Delaware. Most U.S. sites paint the shooting as justified, for a more civilized view you have to go to British tabloids http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/man-wheelchair-shot-dead-police-6510432

Another one here http://www.owensoundsuntimes.com/2009/11/24/man-in-wheelchair-shot-by-police

And here http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/brian-claunch-houston-shot-matthew-marin-police-cleared-disabled-amputee_n_4218889.html discussed in some depth at http://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/investigations/item/Bulletproof-Part-1-Unarmed-and-Dangerous-24419.php

Look at this incident in which a person in a wheelchair was charged with assaulting a police officer, charges were dropped because of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvU5uO_cDoo

When the police are dealing with an adult man they keep their distance generally, but when they are dealing with a person in a wheelchair or a child or a woman they become aggressive, and there are lots of Americans who support that kind of cowardly behavior because they don't want to be on the wrong side of a powerful gang.

b) The second big group is people who just don't want to get involved because there is no way to win. If you know something or see something involving police it is risky to go public because police do target potential threats to their image.

In the Philippines if you see a policeman commit a crime and you complain you might get a beating. In the U.S. you could face much more, especially if you are a minority or otherwise vulnerable.

Most protests here where they beat up police have hundred of participants that it's hard to arrest everyone who abused the police. Well, besides despite our president's ever increasing authoritarian leanings the media here is still active in hounding the gov't for any perceived slight that things like this wouldn't go unnoticed.

The anti-establishment sentiment has somewhat dimmed in Russia, thanks to the sanctions imposed by the Western nations. The people are angry with the US and the EU, and they are rallying behind Putin.

You have a different opinion, you get arrested. How typical of fake democracy. In some countries only the people change but the system and corruption remain the same.
The Prime Minister and former President is Putin's puppet. Putin needed a break in his presidency, so he gave power to Medvedev for one term and took it back soon after, giving Medvedev a position in the parliament in exchange.

WTF
A Russian language youtube video with 13,298,580 views and 430,000 vs 30,000 thumbs?
Western media is ignoring something.

These protests wasn't big and can't be compared with protest in 2011 for example. Now only 60k people in 82 cities participated in these protests. Main organizer of protests - Alexey Navalnyj was arrested for 15 days. Few weeks ago he released documentary movie about corruption of Russian Prime Minister D. Medvedev:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=qrwlk7_GF9g

I'm not sure that Maidan was sponsored Poroshenko. He cling to the Maidan after it became evident that there was a chance of his victory. This greedy people just took advantage of the victory of the Maidan. If you remember the beginning of the Maidan was sponsored by politicians and the protesters did not want to have anything to do with politicians. Remember in the beginning there was two Maidan.

I have not heard anything about Clinton dead bodies. About Putin-the corpses I hear very often. As for Bulk, I'm sure that he is a puppet of Putin. It is for this reason he is alive and living in very poor conditions. That is why in Russia there is no United opposition.

Putin's most fierce critic (Alexei Anatolievich Navalny) is well alive after decades of political activism. Till now, there hasn't been even an attempted murder against him. I have a feeling that many of Putin's critics are being murdered by the CIA, so that they could blame Putin for their murders. BTW... have you forgot about all those people killed by the Clinton crime family? Ever heard about the Clinton body count?

In any dictatorship there is a risk that primarily affects those who blindly executes orders of the dictator. He's afraid that once he loses power it could collapse a fair trial. Putin always kills all witnesses to their crimes.

You, good sir, get the cookie for the day.


Notice how the GOP has been pushing for legislature that makes protesting illegal (in varying degrees). Corporate America is not digging the protest scene at the moment (the pipeline shit really bigged down the profits a few quarters, instead of a.pipe, they got litigation and bad PR). This is where we will be, eventually, becuase apparently now we idolize Russia.

On a related note, why are so many Russian diplomats connected with the Trump dossier, suddenly dying?

Look it up/I shit you not.

great protests, eventually russians got some guts  

Someone should have called pussy riot.

This is a normal intelligent person, which is not a hurrah for the patriots. He understands the situation adequately. For him, Putin is not an idol, but an aggressive tyrant.

Really, illegal mob in the name of legality make laugh.



What does "Pro ISIS" banner with "corruption"?
Who are this people?

Putin regularly cleans decent opposition. At the moment in Russia there is no strong opposition. Russian do not see a leader who will lead them in the fight. Bulk is the fake leader of the opposition. These rallies Putin bleeds steam from the boiler. People gathered and talked and saw that nothing has changed. They just have no desire to participate in rallies and they get used to despair.

Ohh a cheap insult.
This is evident, that some group of people have only cheap insults to put on the banner.

In this way is clear, why this "protest" goes to epic fail.

When you add '666' to a person's name or image it isn't so much 'satanism', it's just an insult. You could argue that 'satanism', specifically '666' refers to a group leader, but that is too much thinking.

What is the corellation between Satanism and this people with Smartphones and other Electronic Devices and No banners?
Displaying Publically the Smartphone does make a fight against Satanism?

Moscow police said they arrested around 500 people and there were protests in over 90 other cities too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/26/world/europe/moscow-protests-aleksei-navalny.html?_r=0

Satanism occusation detected.

It isn't really about economics though.

If people have the liberty to be responsible for their own economics they do so with integrity, but when the population is forced to cede control of everything to some political authority then unless that authority has the same integrity there will be problems.

The more a govt tries to control the small liberties the more the individuals in that govt will be held accountable for failures. A person cannot even hold up a sign critical of a politician without the police attacking him? He probably cannot get a job then unless he does not criticize bosses.

If you drop a person on good ground and give him resources and space he will work hard. But if you give him neither resources nor space and tell him to work hard, why should he? If humans were meant to be horses they would have hooves and big ears.

I am disappointed no tits were involved.

It was clear that the protesters didn't enjoyed public support, even when the economy of the nation is in  a recession as a result of falling crude oil prices. These rallies failed to attract more than a hundred people.

I didn't understand well the point. In many countries there are a lot of people serving long prison sentences for 'resisting' the police. There is not really a smart way to fight in the short term because you just go to jail for a long time. In the United States there are literally tens of thousands of people who would have gotten little or no jail, but because they opposed some aspect of gangsterism the hammer came down on them.

Look at

Leonard Peltier, a Native who was put in jail basically because he didn't take shit. http://www.freeleonard.org/case/ If a Native in the United States gets at all uppity he will find himself in jail.

Aaron Swartz, a computer expert who invented some of the cutting edge technology we still use, hacked a library database to give students a full discount so they could research easily, the federal police told him cooperate or die in prison. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/technology/aaron-swartz-internet-activist-dies-at-26.html If he had not been hounded to death cryptocurrency would probably have had his fingerprints much more clearly.

To see examples how the U.S. neutralizes protesters look at some of the black panthers and similar types swept into prison on dubious evidence during the FBI Cointelpro days

http://veronza.org/

https://russellmaroonshoats.wordpress.com/

http://www.freejalil.com/

http://www.sundiataacoli.org/

Some of those people may be guilty, I have no idea, but all of them are in jail not because of whatever crime they may have commited but because they are 'protesters'.

Look what happened to this poor old crackpot back when there was no internet and people couldn't set up countermeasures http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-flint-taylor/the-fbi-cointelpro-progra_b_4375527.html

Did that program get exposed because one of the thousands of fbi agents involved had a conscience? Uh no.

"The first documentation ... surfaced in March of 1971 when the Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI broke into a small FBI office in Media Pennsylvania and expropriated over 1000 FBI documents."

 

@Barrymore was also surprised they didn't go after the cops. Here the Philippines cops TAKE a beating when they try to beat up protesters. Maybe they're not angry enough?

@PeterTheGrape We don't even know if he' still free - or alive. We can try to find his identity though and post about him all over social media, hopefully he'll be big they won't go after him anymore. The bitcoins would be to help him out in life and maybe to pay for his medical bills.

Protest soon will become a common thing in russia.

Less then a handful regions in russia dont run a deficit. A huge part of their budget is needed for fiscal transferss to these regions.
Depending on oil price in the coming it could get a lot darker in russia.
They have to go away from oil&gas only (80% of exports).

I respect the guy who held up the sign, knowing he was going to get hassled by gangsters.

If he were identified reliably by somebody in Russia, and somebody set up a bitcoin gofundme to buy him an expensive bottle of wine, and it was done in a reliable way with no room for scammers,

I'd chip in

It's all nonsense. Know why Ukraine won a protest, but in Russia don't win? Because in Ukraine the cops would arrest a man in the crowd. The protesters fought for everyone. And the cops could not come to dissatisfied. In Russia, everything is different. Nobody beats with the cops. Cowards don't deserve to win.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thousands-protest-against-corruption-russian-130148697.html

This video shows a massive number of people protesting corruption in Russia.

One guy holds up a sign that says Putin666 and a couple of cops rush him and drag him off, probably to get a beating.