Topic: Russian vs Foreign Companies (Read 407 times)

it makes me wonder.  if they want to make a "domestic product" software to be great in their own country ^{(like the Chinese government have been successful do)} then what they have to do is raise the spirit of nationalism among its citizens so that they really love "domestic products".

mandating a Russian-made app on every smartphone that is there suddenly like this, i think it will only increase the suspicion of its own citizens and feel they are really being watched.  The question is whether Russians are like Chinese citizens "lol" ^{(which is comfortable under the supervision of the government)}

Lol, how does having software installed in smartphones helps with their competitiveness? And if I may ask, what kind of software is that, is it a software that is run by the Russian government, maybe some kind of software that will help them keep an eye on citizens or something like that? Or do they mean that they just want any software that are Russian software installed? I don’t see how that’s going to help them. I think if they are trying to be competitive, there are more important areas where their focus should be, and not this. So, I am believing that their main purpose for doing this is not really just about what you have said, it might be something else.

None of that addresses the facts. Russian corporations are propped up by the Russian government because their products are inferior and not competitive in the global market. Nobody expects a level playing field in Russia. At the end of the day, Russia gonna Russia.

Of course, this is about controlling your population. It is much easier to incorporate various means of control over people into your software. In addition, Russia's isolation from the outside world and from foreign markets is now rapidly growing. Silly international policies based on the use of military force, blackmail and intimidation are leading to ever tougher international sanctions and this can lead to trade restrictions or to complete isolation of Russia from the outside world. Therefore, it is better to prepare for this in advance.

You confuse "warm with soft" as they say
You either do not own the real information, or you are deliberately distorting it. Both are bad. In fact:
1. Sputnik 5 did not go through the specified verification procedure, therefore there is such an attitude towards it. And that's okay. If Pfizer had released the same "unfinished" vaccine, he would not have been allowed on the market in the same way. Before talking about the article on the Lancet, read the answer of a group of specialized specialists, there is a lot of dubious data and a lot of unanswered questions. For one thing, read what a strange situation with Sputnik5 has developed in Slovakia. Look for information on SUKL. The crux of the problem, get ready, "The lots of vaccine used in the preclinical trials and clinical trials described in the Lancet do not match the characteristics and properties of the lots sent to Slovakia." Tell me honestly - with other vaccines there are so many "incomprehensibility", "ambiguity", forgeries and other things?
Yes, for the sake of completeness, the Russian Direct Investment Fund (RDIF), which supplied two batches of 100,000 doses of Sputnik to Slovakia in early March, declined to comment on the conclusions of the Slovak Medicines Administration (SUKL).


2. Nord Stream 2. You are being disingenuous here too! I can describe in great detail the essence of "Russian gas terrorism" (read about it, and if you do not know where to find it, ask, I will show you everything), but it will take a long time. But you somehow, it seems deliberately, tried to "forget" about this, and present the sanctions against Nord Stream 2 as a purely political showdown between the United States and Russia


And also - do not forget that many politicians in Germany are very much interested, financially, in gas supplies from the Russian Federation. Remind me where Gerhard Schroeder works? I can also tell you about other financial dependence of German politicians on Kremlin money!


But back to the EU in 2021. According to them, by 2035, the gas deficit in the EU will amount to approximately 120 billion cubic meters. But if you read these "miscalculations", you will see the exclusively ordered nature of the article, pure advertising of Russia as in fact the only one who can solve this problem!
At the same time, not a word about TANAP, or liquefied gas from the United States, or gas from Qatar, and of course other suppliers. But in fact - this project for Russia is an attempt to influence the EU, and sanctions are sanctions for Russia's crimes against Ukraine, and I hope they will add for others too, nothing more. Of course, the sanctions should be sensitive, therefore this project also fell under the "distribution". Until 2015, there were no sanctions! But at the same time, the United States is well aware that even a complete stop of this project will not bring problems to the EU.

Most smartphone companies are Chinese and Korean so these are nothing related to the economic war between Russia and US but completely to destroy the human privacy because data is the 21st century's gold which I read somewhere so which government has such assets will be making better decision politically and also can influence the people even can manipulate them.

The purpose of this bill has no economic goals at all. The goal is an exceptionally stricter monitoring of the population, its actions, and the prevention of anti-government movements. Like any totalitarian government, the Kremlin government is afraid of the free population and the dissemination of information that does not correspond to the "policy of the Kremlin." Well, plus "the pernicious influence of the West on the immature minds of Russians" - an eternal song, since the times of the USSR
Refer to the history of the USSR, read about total control and restrictions in the USSR, the "Iron Curtain" and more

It is not about whether the software is good or bad. Russian firms are being denied a level playing field elsewhere. Even in case of the vaccination against CoVID 19, the American regime forced many countries not to order the Sputnik V vaccine. The Nord Stream 2 pipeline is hit by sanctions from the US, although the German government is firmly in favor of its completion. When this is the case, why should the Russian government allow Western corporations to make profit in their jurisdiction?

It's obviously bad for consumers. If Russian software was any good and desired by consumers, they wouldn't need the government to force it onto devices in the country. Russia is an authoritarian country like China, and it's not surprising to see them attempting to prop up their uncompetitive businesses artificially through strongarm tactics like this.

At this point Russians are probably used to not having the same level of freedom as other countries so they will go along with this. I don't know if it's about making Russian companies more competitive or if they just want to have more control over their population. Giving people less choice doesn't lead to better products, it is always worse.

They've tried, twice! Failed miserably.... twice!
Smart-gift: Putin presents Chinese leader with dual-screen YotaPhone
It was a Russian phone running android, with a snapdragon processor, an LG display, and so on, marketed as something revolutionary and a total flop despite all the propaganda. But if you force it down people's throats leaving them no alternative of course your;e going to have customers.
The same for any app, it doesn't matter how much it sucks if there is no other options people will be forced to use it.


I had no experience with Huawei products so I can't be sure about it but it seems the bigger Xiaomi's market share becomes the more crap comes with their newer Miui, especially for Europe so I don't know if it's the CCP ordering them this or simply they are taking advantage of the situation but there used to be at maximum 10-15 of them now the list got to 30-40, the last one I cleaned was worse than my Samsung I bought from my phone company and came with their custom apps in it.



 Vietnam being China's ally? Things have changed dramatically since the Vietnam war, if they are going to chose a side they are going now to chose the US, at least the US is not claiming islands from Vietnam or trying to build artificial ones close to their territorial waters.
Things are changing

It's because of propaganda and that Russia is notorious in doing this kind of covert things. The problem with this one is that it invades privacy and we all know that in this day and age that privacy is a commodity that only a ver few can sought after. That is what I have thought so, I mean this is kind of taking it to the extreme.

No need to underestimate Russian software. At least in the field of anti-virus protection and surveillance, the Russian software is much ahead of their Chinese competitors. But the fact is that Russian government doesn't have the same control over its citizens that the Chinese regime enjoys. But I don't think that this step has anything to do with spying or surveillance. The new proposal is more like a retaliation against Western sanctions.

Apple has always tried to protect their hardware from external competition so they are not going to like this, but I do not really think this is going to help a lot, after all we know that now most phones and computers come with bloatware that you cannot get rid of unless you make some modifications to the host system, but Apple could make it incredibly easy for people to dispose of that software and if given the opportunity people will do it, so this is not going to help Russian companies at all.

can not be denied, it is a kind of spyware....if Russian government really want to grow love for domestic products then you don't have to force it like that.  countries that still have a bit of communist ideology will not be separated from "spying the citizens".  

Chinese and Russian technological developments are completely different, China may be successful in doing this to its citizens but Russia is not necessarily able to do that.

Well.... I don't know whether it is as simple as that (the foreign companies can get away by making a Russian version of the software). But the truth is that cold war is far from over and after a brief lull, it has re-emerged as a fill-blown proxy war between the West (US and it's NATO allies) on the one side and the East (Russia, China and their allies such as DPRK and Vietnam) on the other side. I won't be surprised if the situation results in military confrontation, similar to what happened in Donbass.

Forcing companies to use a certain number of local products can always lead to problems. It might be easier for the government to control it, but its no guarantee for success. Companies usually choose software which works best for them, having the government now forcing the companies changes that. The software developers also might become less competitive.

In fact, the Russian government is taking next steps towards self-isolation from the outside world. Recently, Putin and his government have been leading this country to a quick catastrophe, seeking to resist the whole world by force. If Russia does not provoke a third world war, which will lead to its death, then the fall of the economy, and possibly territorial disintegration, cannot be avoided. Against the background of these global problems, the problem of Russian software on smart technical devices seems to be a trifle. In Russia, it is also high time to switch to using its own cars, clothes, household appliances, and so on. So that later it does not look like a shock.

Why do I assume that this "Russian software" is going to be some sort of spyware.
Every country has the right to protect it's economy from foreign monopolies,but such type of protectionism isn't going to work.Can the Russian government control what software is installed on every smartphone device owned by a Russian citizen?I don't think so.
Smartphones can be rooted and the software that was installed on them can be deleted or modified.

So the software they are talking about is a software that is owned by the Russian government? How will having one software in phones that are being sold in the same country increase their competitiveness against other countries when the devices are only being sold in their country and also used by their citizens?

I guess they just want to be tracking their citizens and be able to have some records and things like that. For me, I wouldn’t really like that, I will prefer that they allow companies to just produce and sell their phones and other devices with the company’s apps only, and as for any other software, it should be based on the interest of the users and nothing more, people shouldn’t be forced to use anything.

How would it hinder free market and competition though? I get that this discourages the Western companies but that doesn't mean that they will comply, they can just make a Russian version of the device if they need to. It's not that Western countries are trying cripple Russia, the wounds of Cold War is still lingering.

If this law was already passed then smartphone companies have no choices other than accepting it or moving their brands out of the country. I am not sure what kind of app they wanted to install but its not going to be good for the user side since now government itself wants to monitor their people without any help from the third party apps so Russians move to keypad cellular phones.

Just for everyone to be aware about versions/models of the same product. This is more prevalent to mobile phones and all you need to know is that there will always be Global and Native versions for that kind of Cellphone and this versions will vary from each country including the pre-installed apps you will have depending on what version you will get. One of the most popular examples out there is the mobile manufacturer like Xiaomi where it has a native version as well as a global version and their apps vary depending on what version you have. I believe this will be the same for Russia's requirement for the help of their own software developers. Chinese brands have done this with their phones like including Alipay, Alibaba, and WeChat in their phones as it is one of the most used services out there. I think this is what Russia is striving for in what they are doing right now.

I have mixed feelings about this move. On one hand, I have to say that this particular move will hinder free-market and competition, by giving an advantage to the Russian software firms. But on the other hand, Russia is under sanctions from US and some of the other Western nations, and they are perfectly justified if they want to discourage their citizens from using software from companies which are based in these Western nations. Russian companies such as Gazprom are being denied a level playing field, so I can understand the move from the Russian government.

governments solve problems by the stupid short way they can force users to install applications and no one force them to use them.
only users dowload by real incentives to use these applications, all the solutions provided are considered useless.
The TikTok app succeeded in achieving leadership in downloads, and no one was forced to download it.
it can be done by motivating Russian developers and thinking instead of a policy of coercion and imposition.

This is not a positive sign as we are aware that the smart phones are the worst when it comes to personal privacy and if a government wants to install preinstalled software and make them mandatory then one thing is certain that the government wants to monitor everything that is happening with you and they will be collecting all the data directly, earlier the government will have our data through private parties and that is how most countries function and it looks like Russia wants to collect them directly.

There are some who cannot ban, and it is "the best technological option". I do not know what Russian software is like, but it does not escape the reality of Venezuela, they think in a similar way, in the small laptops that were given to children and young people by the government for educational training, the software was Linux, and when it They tried to install Windows had a patch that did not allow it, but if you do some tricks you can install Windows having Linux pre-installed, it is similar to what happens in Russia, you will find a way to skip that pre-installation of technology, people will always prefer it better.

What they do is not bad either, at least they believe in their technology and that is good, although competing with Apple is something difficult to beat because they are unique in their style.

Not about increasing the competition but removing it. When the state starts to control and do things like this on devices, that's one thing for sure and everyone have learnt it through China's policy and surveillance which has been effective. You see some security issues that has been discussed since long time ago about the devices that's manufactured there and controlled by the state. Companies there are cooperating with the likes of the government so they add whatever they want to be added.

quite excessive if the Russian government wants to supervise the citizens there 'lol'...
It is clear that Russia wants to follow in the footsteps of China, which wants to prioritize their software which is used by the majority there. *that's the country that still adheres to communism

as I have said above, and in essence it is done to control movement which is considered a suspicious action.

That's the pattern, and I think Russia had a plan like this from the start. where full access can be controlled. No wonder the war between the allied nations has shown each other their superiority.

Russia appears to be isolating itself from outside influence, news and ideas the way north korea and china do.


Authoritarian measures like these are in my opinion -- purely political. They're attempts to control information & data residents in a country come into contact with from the outside world. To better shape and control public sentiment. Influence views and narratives people are allowed to have.

Oh, I don't think it's about economy or profit, I don't think it's about that at all. This is about politics. From the economical point of view - sure, it's a reasonable move, why pay to foreign countries, while you can return this money to the government and broaden the software market, create new workspaces.

However, something tells me this is more about Russia becoming more autonomic with a perspective of cutting off the world and becoming more like North Korea. It's been going on for years now. For instance, in 2019 there were talks about a possible ban of FB, Instagram, and YouTube in Russia, but they didn't go that far. You take social media from people - there will be consequences

Makes sense. These devices are spying on you. Google and Apple's #1 goal isn't making the best consumer electronics. It is, creating the best spy agents.You talk to friend on the phone and talk about eating a pizza, The next thing you know google ads will show you the nearest pizza restaurants. If they weren't listening to your calls, how could that be possible?

China already blocked almost all the US bigtech products and if Russia had any sense left in them, they would too.

The Russian government has every right to requires all gadget companies in their country to have their native software preinstalled but they are doing it in the wrong way because if they actually want their software companies to compete with international companies they ought to create a gadget company for themselves which will make use of their native software companies software just like the Chinese do with Huawei.

2) Is the preinstallation of Russian a good step? No, and most of the world may also not like the idea so there is chance people who are from Russia may not use the gadget that has the preinstalled software of Russian.

It is not a competition at all. They are not trying to ban or regulate any foreign companies. Instead, they try to govern the citizen and perhaps protect them on some scales. For example, citizens of China are 100% centralized by the government so every step you work, each thing you eat and your hobbies are all in their governmental data. Thus, criminals are harder to make crime but on the order hand, criticize the government will make you go to jail

lucky I don't live in the both ^(them) area....living in a country where always keeping an eye on its citizens sounds terrible to me "lol".

sounds creepy....we will probably see a strange device, hardware, software created by the Russian government specifically for its citizens and not avail in other countries "lol".

"lol" what you find there ^{(Xiaomi & oppo)}, is there some kind of worm-shaped tracking device sending signals to panda country

looks like that, they do the tracking and also increase the competition as @stompix said.

They are not doing anything but telling people that yes WE ARE GOING TO TRACK YOU AND YOU CANNOT RUN AWAY. This is nothing but a violation of human rights! Literally not needed. Even if the Government says that the software is to do this and that, to help their economy or maybe for something else what's the guarantee that they are not going to use it for illegal means !? The laws are already not so lenient in Russia and knowing the country I do think that this would most certainly end bad for the local companies since people would prefer buying the stuff from abroad and then at the end of the day, the sales will go down and then the local economy will decline. But then again everyone is tracking everyone, google , apple lol. We have no where to run.
For me pre-installed softwares are always a threat.

My question is what would the function of the software ? If it's solely to meet up the competition amongst other countries then that is a pretty good idea but anything outside this would be a way of monitoring the entire data sent and received across Russia. Would this still mean total security of private affairs? Because Russia software engineers are good coders

The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.

This is a prelude to what awaits us, don't laugh at Russia because covid in europe is also doing its job. The same thing, just a different method. A cultural occupation - and this is only the beginning

and other points that are deliberately not published is to control actions that would threaten the defense of Russia. I think this is something that is not surprising, considering that Russia has ambitions that are not far behind what all powerful countries like North Korea want to do. which access will be automatically controlled by the internet service authorities in that country. regarding reasons to compete with Apple and the like, it is done so that the Russian community does not feel suspicion arising. and certainly this aims to fully control the internet network and detect suspicious traffic.

How will increase the competitiveness?
It doesn't and it makes actually things worse, Russian apps will no longer have to compete with others for Russian users, so with limited choice and trapped consumers, their need to innovate will follow the same trends as their entire industry during the Soviet era, from cars to tvs to everything around the house. It will simply protect the interest of the Russian companies, killing competitions, and make sure that all those who are owned usually by government officials keep being profitable and collect valuable information.

Anyhow, forcing something and not allowing users to make their own choice will always end badly, this will be the case with this one too.


Unfortunately for them with every step they make they run out of options, right now they are like some vegans boycotting burger king, with their economy taking hit after hit a dwindling population they should understand that they are no longer in a position to threaten economically the UE alone, not combined with the US. Furthermore, such measures also hit their so-called allies as the guys from Xiaomi or Oppo won't be that happy either,  just yesterday I cleaned a miui from bloatware, and my god how much crap was there.

I do not know how much can be achieved with such a measure, but it is quite normal to expect that a country that is under US and EU sanctions is in some way trying to take revenge and set some countermeasures. There is nothing wrong with favoring domestic companies and enabling them to be competitive in the domestic market, and this measure only applies to devices produced in the country, not imported ones.

In any case, Russia is a very specific market because it is largely behaving like a communist or even dictatorial country, but no one wants to lose it as a market, just as it is case with China.

As for who is tracking us and in what way, here it is just a matter of someone getting a choice whether to be spied on by domestic or foreign apps. In the end, all devices connected to the Internet collect our data and send it somewhere, and the only way to escape from this is not to use modern technologies at all.

It is a bad idea, I mean who knows what is in that pre-installed application and considering it is Russia, I think that there is a high chance that it is a data tracking kind and nobody really wants that kind of thing and you mentioned that there is a lot of data leaks. The other problem that I see is that with this Russian's pre installed app, it might not be just a tracking software but it can also connect with your network so it can monitor your whole network which is dangerous and scary.

I don't think it's a bad idea after all, but it all goes to bad light considering that data tracking in this day and age is so rampant that most companies and governments are getting away with it, plus the multiple data leaks that huge companies are allowing to happen. Anyway, most huge companies are forcing their own produced software up our throats because no one is complaining that loud, or no one is getting slapped with huge fines due to antitrust violations. This is why I love to have Android devices. You can basically just remove all the software from the manufacturer and be done with all the tracking and unnecessary data collection they are getting.

I get the feeling that regulators in Europe and the US have gotten far too cosy with the big hardware/software companies. It wasn't all that long ago that Microsoft was forcing internet explorer on every system until antitrust laws finally got them to allow competitors. We can see from the developers like Fortnite who are fighting back against Google Play and the Apple store that these companies are taking huge chunks of revenue while offering little value in return. These large companies are literally swimming in cash and while they provide useful products, they should be contributing more and encouraging competition instead of stifling it in every turn. You could say the giants have carved out their niches to dominate - Google with search, Microsoft with software and Apple with consumer hardware. Yes there are rivals but the market leader often has a majority of any profits due to scale.

I don't think it's about competitiveness as government intervention is always bad for competition. It's about national security, and it's a tradeoff between economic interest vs. security. Look at the great firewall of China as it has many similarities.

Anyway, if you are a citizen of Russia, would you rather be monitored by Putin or Biden? It's a loss-loss situation, lol.

I don't think it's that much of a bad idea to stop companies being the ones making products for your devices.

It might even become more widespread in a few years for segments of continents to produce their own code for devices to be run with. The European commission, the US, the commonwealth and the democratic areas of Asia might do a service to their citizens and allow them the ability to additional privacy (a lot of countries seek to be more proactive in tracking their population and then backtrack on it when they realise its problematic - at least for the democratic areas).

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I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!