Topic: Russians as a state-forming people (Read 145 times)

 As I see it, you are using it as a template, the same for all my topics, in which I accuse Russia and its President Putin of an aggressive policy, seeking to justify this aggression by the existence of America. Here the topic is about Russia and its people, where does the United States? If you want to discuss intelligently the United States, then open a topic about issues that interest you.
As for accusing me of trolling, this is exactly what you are doing, always supporting the murderer of Putin.

You forget that the US and the wealthy elite of the world funded the Bolshevik Revolution. Then they supported the new Russia with materials and training and equipment. If they hadn't done this, the Bolsheviks would have failed.

I don't blame you for picking on me. It's called 'ad hominem'. It's what people do when they are trolls, and can't figure out an answer to make their own lies stand. Thanks for showing what you really are.

  What nonsense! Again, the US is to blame! How did the Americans manage to found modern Russia. You definitely drank too much whiskey, otherwise only a drunk or a fool can express such an idea. You wrote here, if China were closer by land, the Russians would have much more influence on their part. Since it is China that borders the United States, not America. Learn geography before spouting nonsense here.

Russians as a people might have existed for a thousand years, but, Russians as Tartarians existed for thousands of years longer than that. Russians as individuals exist for how many years? Maybe 50. Maybe 80. Maybe 100 in a few cases.

Where does a Russian baby get his general, ethnic direction? A little of it might come from racial memory. Science isn't sure that racial memory exists, or what it entails. However, if you take a Russian baby and raise him in some other country, his life direction is not Russian any longer.

The point? Russians, like all other people, are influenced by things around them, as well as what they dedicate themselves to be. One of the things that influenced Russians was their contact with the US through the Bolshevik-times, when the US interfered with them by actually starting the modern Russian country. European contact influences them as well. If China were closer land-wise, Russians would have a much larger amount of influence from them.

If modern Russians met Russians of 1000 years ago, they would recognize a form of comradeship between themselves. But they would also recognize their foreignness.

If you look closely, you will find that the attributes that you assign to Russians, and especially Putin, are the same attributes that you find in Ukrainians and Zelensky. Why is it this way? Because for thousands of years they were one people... if you can even really call a group of people, or a nation of people, one people... because differences exist between every individual human being, to say nothing about and within groups or nations.

You are entirely falling into the same failure that many historians do. This failure is that you are forgetting about the strong, basic unity found between all people - because all people are human - and focusing on mostly make-believe differences that all people have. Differences and similarities exist in many ways and in all people.

Here the topic is about the Russian people, their mentality, and what does the USA have to do with it? Is there really a connection between the mentality of the Russian people, their history and the United States? None other than some kind of nonsense! Russians as a people with their mentality have existed for 1000 years, and the United States for 200. Your comment is more like childish babble than the reasoning of an adult.

Russians as a state-forming people


You have it a little mixed up their. Back at the time of the Bolsheviks, the people of today's Russian lands were a State-forming people. That's how they formed Russia out of the lands of the Czars. Back then they had the help of the US to do it.

Then, in 1991, Russians became a State-RE-forming people. While the US didn't help them this time, the US still encouraged them by lying that they wouldn't push Nato further east.

Now all the US wants to do is tear Russia down. Poor Russian people. Pushed this way, and then that way, and now being asked to dissolve rather than reform.

Russians are getting a little fed up with the US... always pushing them this way and then that. This time they might do something about it, and make the US into a dissolving-State, if the US isn't careful.

Dozhd is a Jewish television channel that sees only Putin as the main opponent of democracy in Russia, not taking into account the mentality of the Russian people, and also does not support the aspirations of other peoples of the Russian Empire for freedom. But the main force behind the collapse of the empire is precisely this circumstance. The issue of belonging to the indigenous people of Crimea, which has been subjected to genocide for 200 years, has never been discussed at Dozhd. "Rain" for the preservation of Russia as a state, but a democratic state, where the rest of the peoples will remain to the role of colonial. On "Rain" they would not mind if the peoples of the Baltic states remained in the empire. The main thing is to remove Putin and take power, leaving the Russians as a people without initiative, easy to manage, as it was under Lenin. As for the Crimean Tatars, it doesn't matter to Dozhd.

In the Baltic countries, which were Russian colonies, the broadcasting of the Russian channel "Dozhd" was closed, because the channel supported the Russian people, seeing only Putin's fault.

So, you haven't seen the gas pipeline Russia to China? It's almost done. And it will expand to Mongolia and other countries. Except that the West might bomb it out of existence like they did the Nord Stream pipelines.

Sure, almost every nation can find some raw material that they can use to support themselves. But that isn't the point. The point is development. In the case of the pipeline to China, it is simply easier for China to use Russian 'pipeline' engineering than develop their own. In addition, BRICS is enhanced by it.

In fact, it was the ingenuity of the Russian engineers in copying and inventing all kinds of things, and then developing world trade with these things... it was this that scared the West so badly that they made war on Russia through Ukraine. That (the US) sounds way more totalitarian than the simple Russian engineering and trade developments they are offering the world.

Russia today is a country with a totalitarian regime, which has always been throughout its history. Without freedom in economic activity, a country cannot produce and develop successfully. Russia does not produce anything that is not available in other countries. Russians use everything that is produced in other countries, food raw materials, which are not only in Russia. Therefore, the world can easily do without Russian oil and gas. The only thing that is done in Russia is the murder weapons to seize other people's lands and exploit other peoples. This attitude of Russia towards its neighbors leads to the global isolation of Russia, which will end in the complete decline of its economy and, as a result, the collapse of the empire.

Russia is for freedom. They aren't forcing any other nation to trade with them. But in their trade with those that do want to trade, they are forming free states all over the world.

Now if only the rest of the world that doesn't want to trade with them freely, would only get off their back so they wouldn't have to use force to protect themselves and their interests, there would be peace all around.

What you think depends on the history you choose to read.

Alik Bakhshi

Russians as a state-forming people


  
    
       To emphasize the special leading role of the Russian people, the Kremlin ideologists declared it to be a state-forming people, introducing this definition into the Constitution, so that all other peoples would know their place in the Russian Empire. From now on, the Russian language, as the language of the state-forming people, is the only state language in Russia, and if in the Soviet Union there was no requirement for compulsory knowledge of the Russian language, now all other languages ​​of the peoples of the multinational state have lost their state status. It should be noted that the state-forming people have a very indirect relation to the formation of the state, because the Russian state was formed by the Varangians Ruriks, then they were replaced by the dynasty of German kings who converted to Orthodoxy. By the way, Catherine the Great, under whom Russia grew in territories the most, could not connect two words in Russian. Russia reached its greatest power under the Georgian Stalin, who not only returned almost all the lost lands as a result of the First World War, but also acquired new ones (Tuva, Prussia, South Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands). The USSR, as a state created by Stalin, existed after his death for another half a century, until the Russians who came to power destroyed it. Today, Putin seems to finally end Russia as an empire, returning the Russian people to the borders of Muscovy as a primordially Russian state. (1)

    From a historical point of view, it is fundamentally wrong to call the Russian people a state-forming people. The Russian people had the opportunity to govern the state. The collapse of the communist regime put the Russian people in front of a dilemma of choice between freedom and dictatorship, and the people decided not to tempt fate and traditionally chose the latter, in accordance with their mentality. (2) For the people, in whose mentality there is servility to the authorities and the inability to rational political and economic activity, which has been observed throughout history from the moment the Russian state organized by the Ruriks to the present day, democracy is nonsense. The inability of Russians to rational work is known as a definition rooted in Russian classical literature - Oblomovism. There can be no Democracy in a state without at least some more or less active participation of the people in politics, and, most importantly, no democratic state is viable without the initiative economic activity of its population. with the tacit consent of the people, all responsibility is assigned. In the very name of the people "Russian" there is a definition as an adjective. To the question - whose slave are you? The answer was Russian. That is, a serf (slave) of the Russian prince Rurik. The genus of Ruriks (Rurik translated from Scandinavian is a falcon) from the Rusa tribe. Hence the name - Rus.

     The Vikings of Rurik created a country whose population is Russian, that is, slaves. How can one not recall Lermontov's poem, which accurately defined Russia as a country of slaves and masters, a country in which subservience to any official has survived to this day:

    Farewell, unwashed Russia,
    Country of slaves, country of masters,
    And you, blue uniforms,
    And you, their devoted people.

     The “Russian world”, which Putin is trying to establish with the help of weapons in other countries, is a world of slaves and masters. (4)
    
      It is no secret that the Russian people support Putin's political vector for the restoration of the Russian Empire within the borders of the USSR. The war in Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine with the seizure of territories in favor of Russia, as well as numerous speeches by Putin and members of the State Duma with threatening territorial claims to Kazakhstan, Moldova, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania do not cause resistance among the state-forming people. However, there is a very interesting moment in the attitude of the Russian people to the war in Ukraine. The fact is that from the beginning of the hostilities, the Russian army mainly consisted of Buryats, Dagestanis, Chechens, but due to failures at the front and heavy losses in manpower, Putin decided to take a forced step, namely, he announced mobilization. It was then that the state-forming people made their feet, showing a real attitude towards their status. Of the thousands of unfortunate patriots hastily leaving the borders of Russia, there are neither Buryats, nor Chechens, nor Dagestanis - entirely mental warriors of the Crimea.
 
  1. After Putin. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/84577.html
  2. People's fate, or each cricket has its own hearth. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/28564.html
  3. Empire democracy is contraindicated. https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/23826.html
  4. The reason for the aggressiveness of the "Russian world". https://alikbahshi.livejournal.com/85537.html

16.12.2022