Topic: Russia's effect on IT sector? (Read 498 times)

So how does this prove your point about Russia manufacturing stuff on par with western technology?
You're just admitting people there are too poor to have an airbag in their car.

Palladium are used in cell phones, hard drives, circuit board components and capacitors and Russia produce between 25-30% of global supply of Palladium.

I will tell you a very very terrible secret about cars in Russia. A lot of used Russian cars and used foreign cars in Russia after a traffic accident do not have airbags. Airbags are not installed because they are very expensive. You can travel by taxi or rent a foreign car with the idea that airbags are installed, but your thoughts will not help you

I guess this should inspire everyone why this genius said it already. Kinda started to feel that he made all the calculations on back of his mind, went to the future, came back and said this. Lolz

So, we have gone from producing high-end chips on par with Intel or ARM, to producing cars without airbags, to importing them from China.
This would be laughable if it wouldn't be really pathetic for a country that still claims and manages to fool some of its citizens into being a global superpower.
India is making airbags compulsory for new cars, Russia thinks of building cars without, one more step great leap toward the flintstone mobile.

As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology:
https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm

Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality:


Chips are made of silicon, what you've read is about Xeon and neon but there is no crisis anywhere and it's not Russia but Ukraine who is making those. And good luck angering China with a low supply of chips that would cripple their manufacturing industry.

Russians can sill develop strong economic immunity against this sanctions by forming a strong alliance with china. With the long standing relationship between the Chinese and Russian nations, Russians can access the international market through china and Mr Xi Jinping can be the escape root in the face of the heavy sanctions bypassing the wavy threat  coming from the West

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

They are purchasing because the price of oil from Russia is significantly lower than the price of oil purchased from other countries. Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist in his efforts to counter the economic sanctions that are having a negative impact on everyone, such as legalizing piracy in their country. I believe India was one of the countries that purchased oils for them at a low cost, and I believe that they will continue to do so because of the high price of gasoline currently in effect. We can only stop selling to them, but we cannot completely prevent them from doing so. Sanctions and war are making our lives worse all over the world right now.

I don't think there is any drug on the dark market that can make you say something like this, whatever you're smoking Fentanyl is like Hubba Bubba compared to it.

You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars.
Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist

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You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars.
Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market.

As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology:
https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm

Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality:


Oh, and be proud of your foreign expensive car, I heard you can buy a house with one of those now unless you need spare parts, which costs about a house. A lot of people in Russia will be a quick and painful awakening.

Even in US they feel the effects already with the increase of gas prices which will cause every price to be increased but governments will not reverse the sanctions especially US but countries from EU are still buying oil from Russia and they will continue to do so the trade deals will affect everyone instead of the only one.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

If you are interested to know where these processors were used, then read about the S-300 missile system and S-400 missile system, which were some of the best in the world.
I have a good expensive car in Russia, but I can't say that I was unhappy when I had a Lada. Not everyone wants to leave Russia to get 10 times more salary in Europe or the USA.
I will not continue our interesting discussion about wheat, because I do not have time to check all the Russian and foreign articles.

Yes, western sanctions will actually cause a boomerang effect, considering that Russia is the largest supplier of raw materials for electronic equipment, especially chips.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

So a prototype that was never used, like the T14 or the PAK FA, yeah, the usual KGB propagnda bullshit.
And if you didn't manage to get something done in the '90, not 10 years ago, how do you plan on doing it now when the times are even worse?
Use your brain, who is going to keep living there knowing in the west they pay him 10 times more and he has a chance to drive something better than a lada. Oh, wait, Ladas are made by Renault, bye bye!!


Have you actually read the article? Doubt it!


https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country

Europe produces 1 and a half the wheat Russia does, this is where exports from Russia and Ukraine go:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/17/infographic-russia-ukraine-and-the-global-wheat-supply-interactive

Now, please tell me how is Russia going to stop those exports and NOT make more enemies of now neutral countries.

This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

I hope you don't consider bloomberg to be Russian propaganda
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-25/war-in-world-s-breadbasket-leaves-big-buyers-hunting-for-wheat

Russia and Ukraine supply crops to a long list of countries around the world, including large volumes to buyers in the Middle East and Africa, who will have to look elsewhere and probably pay more for both the grain itself and the cost of shipping. Egypt, the top wheat importer, had scheduled a tender on Thursday but canceled it after only receiving one offer -- of French wheat.

Nope, it doesn't work like that.
You made some claims on the Russian processors being on par with western ones in 92 then you send a wiki link?
Man up and say it, you just threw that out for your wounded pride, you knew deep down that there was never any comparison between them

So, care to share the details of how Russian chips specs were the same during the 90s?


Again, stop reading Russian propaganda (that might be hard for you, but try it) and face reality:
The World Is Gobbling Up European Wheat Like Never Before


Europe produces more than one and a half the wheat Russia does.

The next level was the Elbrus-3 supercomputer, based on a completely new ELBRUS architecture, which the developers called the “post-superscalar approach” (and which Intel, Transmeta and HP will start working on only in the mid-nineties). He passed all the tests, but the only working copy, built in 1994, was not needed by anyone in the newborn half-starved country.

Director of the Institute of Microprocessor Systems of the Russian Academy of Sciences, laureate of the Lenin and State Prizes, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Boris Babayan became the director of architecture in the software solutions division of Intel, where he leads a global project on computer architecture, binary compilation technology and secure computing technology to combat with viruses. Boris Babayan is one of the key developers of domestic machines of the Elbrus class, which anticipated the development of world computing technology, the creator of complex electronics and microprocessor systems on defense topics. For Russian science, languishing from the "brain drain", the loss of Boris Babayan, who took with him a large scientific team, is an irreparable loss.
The world microprocessor leader awarded the Russian scientist with the Intel Felow title, which was awarded to 41 people in the world, no one in Europe, and 2-3 more scientists outside the USA. Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Babayan brought the entire Elbrus group of companies with branches in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Novosibirsk to Intel. Elbrus, despite the economic difficulties of the 1990s, was able to maintain its scientific potential, as evidenced by the cooperation with one of the leaders in the computer world - the American Sun, which lasted 12 years.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

All countries are affected especially oil and gas importers. China produces more of these IT products making them a valuable ally of Russia. I guess this makes thier business going if finished products goes out from China.

So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

The most important thing is that Russia has its own factories and technologies. If you are interested in the history of the processor in Elbrus, you can find it on the links in Wikipedia and information about the latest models.

If the country's leadership decides to create Russian analogues, then there will be no problems with investments. Russia has a huge budget surplus.
Ukraine has been a major supplier of wheat to Europe, prices have already increased by 40%.

You are right about Russia. This country is massive and they do not need to import any technology to do farming and other essential needs.

The most important thing is that Russia has its own factories and technologies. If you are interested in the history of the processor in Elbrus, you can find it on the links in Wikipedia and information about the latest models.

If the country's leadership decides to create Russian analogues, then there will be no problems with investments. Russia has a huge budget surplus.
Ukraine has been a major supplier of wheat to Europe, prices have already increased by 40%.

Because a company is not all the companies as a whole.
Every single one of them works with surplus and debt, that's why we have SWIFT for banks and that's why we have reserve funds, to allow settlements. Seriously, have you just woke up and realized that you have a better way to do world trade nobody has thought of it before?


It's not me who is laughing it's all the world, deal with it, it's an ancient chip.
Can you please back your claim with some REAL world facts?


Again, stop believing in fairy tales:
TSMC to Invest Up to $44 Billion in 2022 to Beef Up Chip Production
Do you think that with 10 billion over 7 years you're going to catch up with companies that have poured in development hundred of billions to date? Don't you see that even other real first-world economies are struggling to build a chip factory even with already developed fab techniques and you think out of blue Russia will do it ...cause?  Propaganda will never beat reality.

All countries are affected especially oil and gas importers. China produces more of these IT products making them a valuable ally of Russia. I guess this makes thier business going if finished products goes out from China.

So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

As for finances, I think this is an agreement between Russia and the world's financial elites. Why should Russia take loans if its budget is in surplus?

And you are laughing in vain about Elbrus processors. This company was not inferior to American counterparts in 1992, but then it was a very difficult time in Russia, but thanks to the efforts of many scientists and politicians, this enterprise was saved.

10-15 billion dollars of investment and in 5-7 years Russia will have a modern production of processors. This is not a lot of money for the Russian budget. I read that many companies in America and Europe make their chips at TSMC factories. In Russia, there are microelectronics factories with a process technology of 60-80 nm. All we need is time and investment.

Pretty simple.
Do you know how you can get a loan here? You must have collateral or an escrow guaranteeing your reimbursement.
If Russia would keep all its reserves in their own banks then nobody would trust Russian companies to pay their debts, that's why Venezuela had gold in London, that's why India has reserve currency in Tokyo and that's why the entire world is interconnected.

Nobody will grant a loan to Zimbabwe with assets claimed to be in Zimbabwe bank, cause they know if things go wrong there is no insurance.

As for direct investments, one must ask yourself why poeple choose to invest in foreign companies and not Russian.
Maybe the same thing happened when:
- despite Russia having the first vaccine and 3 more before the western world poeple choose not to get vacicnated?
- people buying foreign stuff and not russian made ones?
- the previous experience of how if a Russian company is not doing as Putin likes is bought down to zero in a second?

The problem is that you trust yourself less than you trust the west, I've seen that numerous times, even on this forum.


And that has worked wonders from 45 to 91, right?
Btw, what is your IT sector going to run on, Elbrus chips?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/russias-biggest-bank-tests-elbrus-cpu-finds-it-unacceptable
Oh wait, even your russian chips are made by TSMC.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

You are absolutely correct, and I am even ready to agree with you. But then explain to me what is the difference at what price to sell oil, if the profits from the sale of oil are sent to the National Wealth Fund of Russia, and this fund sends 2/3 of this money (that's hundreds of billions of dollars) to American and European banks

If Part of this money is spent in Russia, then the country will have one of the best IT Sectors in the world.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

Finally, some poeple actually understand how things work!

If Russia could have sold its products for a profit it would have done so before, if Russians would want Chinese cars and Chinese cars were better they would have had their country full of them by now and not Japanese and European models.
All Russia can do now is offer discounts to other countries, lose money and, guess what becomes itself a prisoner in trade since if those countries say no, there is nobody on this earth to deal with and you end up like NK.

Also, to add to that example.
Russia will sell all the oil it was selling to Europe to Asia. God, but what about the ones that were previously selling oil to Asia, they will either lower the price so Rusia can't sell at a profit, or, just as simple, they will sell that oil to Europe.

Some of you artificially create open markets which Russia will suddenly take over and have no adversary, this is NOT how things work.!

And that means Russia will have to sell it for cheaper, sell to china, sell to India, sell to anywhere that accepts it, even Africa if they have to. In that case the cheaper product would be bought from that third nation, for a lot less and Russia would not make that profit as the same. Like assume there is a thing costs 100 bucks to sell to west, west declines it, so you sell it to 50 to Nigera, then west buys for 80 from Nigeria. You see west made a profit of %20 on each sale, and Nigera made a profit as well, whereas Russia made a 50% loss.

Nobody wants any conflict with Russia, it is them who have invaded a free and democratic country to expand their authoritarian tyranny. Unfortunately Putin has chosen this path and there is much suffering happening right now - mostly against civilians. Unless firm action is taken then he will never stop and he is looking more like Hitler every day. Yes there will be many economic consequences like the one you mention, but a stand must be taken if we are talking about defending the open societies that we live in today. When this sick old man is wiped from the planet all trade can quickly return to normal.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

The main strength of the Russian economy so far has been in its mining products, so if America continues to impose sanctions on Russia, of course this will also cause industrial panic in Europe, Russia is the largest nickel producer in the world, which is around 20%, besides that they also produce such as aluminum, gold, copper, bauxite, and also oil and gas which are the basic needs of European countries, as the largest producer of mineral mines, of course America sanctions may not be too bad affect Russia in the future, because Russia may sell their products to countries outside Europe who are also not America's allies, I think the sanctions imposed by America will affect their own economy because so far America is a consuming country that brings raw materials from other countries other countries including from russia.

So isn't it wiser to find an alternative first than punishing that oppressor?

I saw Ukrainian racism for Indian and black people. In some places, Ukranien beat those people. Their injustice behaves towards these people could lose support from their country.

That is indeed what is happening now. Any sane person who thinks about all the hasty decisions Europe has made understands the complexity of what is happening. Is everything that is being done right now? How will this affect the peoples that are involved in the conflict? But there is another side that really does not want to see Russia succeed economically, so all sanctions come into effect so quickly that it remains to be thought that they weren't ready yesterday.

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

I saw Ukrainian racism for Indian and black people. In some places, Ukranien beat those people. Their injustice behaves towards these people could lose support from their country.

Very good idea and no it won't have a boomerang effect it will have a GAU-8 effect.

Let me ask you something if I'm the only doctor in a village, and without me, nobody could get an operation or medicine or treatment, are you going to allow me to take your house, beat your kids and rape your family just because I'm the only one providing that? Or are you going to kick me out and search for another doctor?
It's not so hard, use your brain!

Zero doubts they ( Russia ) are the best are gas production and distribution, but one thing I know is that, the world can do without the best. 

So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues.

All countries are affected especially oil and gas importers. China produces more of these IT products making them a valuable ally of Russia. I guess this makes thier business going if finished products goes out from China.

So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues.

Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

So many news about sanctions actually, I wonder if its true because 40% of Europe's gas is from Russia. How they could afford to cut it is unbelievable. I'm thinking sanctions are all just news but in reality the business continues.

Almost 70% of Russian crude oil exports do not have a buyer according to UK-based research consultancy, Energy Aspects.
On Tuesday, oil trader Trafigura offered a cargo load of Russian crude oil at a record discount of $18.60 per barrel below the market rate for Brent, but could not find a buyer willing to take the risk.