Topic: Russia/Ukraine, Who is to blame? (Read 401 times)

The US and Nato are to blame. They have been trying to take over the world - now Russia and next Siberia, then China - for decades. It's just that they use such good trickery and deceit that  people barely understand it.

Putin/Russia are the only to blame. If they were no invading nobody would have suffered.

But now here we are.

Those Ukrainians in Ukraine who are more or less cut from the same cloth as Russians, have already mostly gone to Russia... or Poland or some other nearby country.

It isn't easy to suddenly pull up stakes and move to a different country. There's gotta be problems with doing it. But one wonders if it is worth staying.

Maybe there has been significant drift since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, but the Ukrainians and the Russians certainly don't seem to be cut from the same cloth at this point in time.

  Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dancing in GAY VIDEO in High Heels - Song - 'In the Middle'
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  Russian Frontline Song Making The Rounds
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It's genuinely disturbing to see what types of stuff was getting the Ukroids off back before they voted for this sinister dwarf weirdo.  The Russians, OTOH, seem like they can make a pleasant time even on the front.

^^^ The US started it in 2014 by covertly taking over the Ukrainian government, and pushing for killing and destruction in the Donbas region. Over 1,000 killed there before Russia moved in to stop it.

There is nobody to blame for the war. 'Blame' isn't part of it. It's just people doing what they like to do best. Too bad that some of them who don't like being caught up in a war, stupidly sit there and let themselves be caught up in a war rather than migrating.

wouldn't blame the US,they were one their own when Russia started the game and as good game players,they went down to Ukraine to fuel the war so that they can benefit from the war. Russia is to be blamed because last year February wasn't the first time they have been oppressing Ukraine,which they do get away with it.

This was the main reason why the Military adviced Putin for invasion and thought they could go away with, underestimating Ukraine who are sick and tired of Putin controversy over them by allowing other countries especially the US to assist them in the ongoing war.

I wonder why the above user sees Ukrainian as the country to be blamed for the war between them and Russia when the war was not declared by them. For the record, what they did is defend their own country and I believe what should be blamed for the conflict is our political practice error with the additional of lack of genuine humanity understanding of our political leader

The Knights Templar in the City of London. They need to get rid of all the out of date armaments they conned America into manufacturing, and they need to increase pollution to maintain the climate change scam.

Of course there are other reasons they started it, including the destruction of fiat currencies.

For those who don't know, Russia calls Ukraine a "puppet country", a puppet state controlled by Nato and the US. The reason behind Russia's serious opposition to Ukraine joining Nato is because by joining Nato, both Nato and America representing Nato will have the right to build military base directly in front of Russia. If this is realized, then what will be colonized will no longer be Ukraine now, but Russia by the European Union coalition.

Key words, after studying the problem, Russia's war agenda with Ukraine contains the following aims and objectives:
1. Russia does not want Ukraine to be used as a military base by NATO and America.
2. According to Russia, the provocateurs and damage to the nations of the world are America and NATO. Because since ancient times the countries that joined NATO were colonizing countries. All nations on this earth.
3. Russia prohibits other countries from interfering, Russia's domestic political affairs with Ukraine, if other countries intervene, don't blame the world war3 will take place because there will be a nuclear war.

Conclusion: so that a nuclear war does not occur, America and its gang of NATO, immediately leave and go home. And don't try to build a military base in Ukraine which is adjacent to Russia because it will cause a major nuclear war havoc and no one can prevent it. In my opinion so.

LOL, what a deep insight. ''They weren't supposed to go to war, with a big brother like Russia in the first place.'' Maybe I don't know something, but did Ukraine declared war to Russia? I just remind you that in early morning of 24th February Putin declared beginning of ''special military operation'' in Ukraine.
Recognizing Russia as big brother? So, pretty much let Russia to take slice of whole territory of Ukraine whenever they want, install puppet government and simply end history of Ukraine as independent state. It would be something like letting neighbour into you home, then he kick you out, change door locks and you become homeless.
''No Russsian city has been scratched''. Well, maybe it's because Ukraine didn't started this war, they're not agressor and they don't have plans to occupy territory of Russia?

There is such a vast amount of raw material wealth in Russia and Siberia, that it's worth the gamble to see if Russia can be made to lose.

I would blame USA and EU for accelerating the war and banning Russia - this did not bring any good but worse of all --- UK France and Poland have all vowed to send tanks - Poland call on Germany to supply weapons to Ukraine - is this third world war already in making ??

I can't blame anybody here because we all do not understand why Putin was aggressively want to take Ukraine down. Is like the NATO majorly the Americans never want the war to end because they want to use the opportunity to use Ukraine to destroy Russia so that they will not have a strong opponent like Russia that could question them. The war is a means to destroy that is why America is spending huge money to fight against Russia indirectly.

I believe you might be correct. Because it was or is at fault someplace in Ukraine. I believe they ought to resolve their differences amicably. Since their nation's internal situation is poor, they also have many problems with other nations.

I think the Ukraine sponsors are the to one to blame, because they are the one fuelling The whole situation, making Ukrainian feel they can match Russians in the war.

United States I spent millions of Dollars on Ukraine but still yet Russians are killing them everyday destroying their land and businesses. in my own opinion I think Ukraine president should reconsider for the sake of his people.

^^^ The US and Nato are already in that war.     

Although it is just a war between two countries, it not only causes an imbalance in those two countries but also affects the world,  the crisis and inflation partly caused by war. My feeling: if this war does not end soon, it will cause many negative impacts and possible long-term effects on the world economy. Even worse, it could create a larger direct conflict between Russia and NATO, which would be the start of World War 3. It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, but the war needs to stop immediately.

The war between Russia and Ukraine has caused the greatest damage to the country's economy and its people.  Because during the war of a country, all activities are almost stopped, thus losing the natural balance of the country.  Everyone wants to take over the kingdom.  Meanwhile, Russia has been heavily aggressive against Ukraine because of the large number of Russian troops and weapons capable of inflicting heavy damage on Ukraine.  But Ukraine is also ready to prevent the attack. The war has been going on for almost a year, because of which the country's natural balance and currency and food shortages have appeared.  If this war continues, the country will face bigger problems.

Everybody who has watched what is going on over the years and decades, knows that the US and the wealthy elite want Siberia for the raw materials there. And throwing in the rest of the Russian lands is like icing on the cake.

The war is the US pushing Ukraine into fighting Russia. If Ukraine does it, it will take a long time for people to realize that the US is behind Ukraine's doing of it. But more and more people are realizing that the money going from the US and Nato into Ukraine is the only thing that is keeping the war alive.

So, who is to blame? Not Russia or Ukraine. Rather the US and Nato.

For me, I will blame the president of Ukraine for allowing other countries like the United Kingdom and the United States to use them to play politics in the name of equipping them to defend their territory. Unless Ukraine's president tells us otherwise, life is more important than anything else.A leader should put the life of the citizen before any other interest.From what I'm saying, it seems like joining NATO is more important than the lives of the citizens and the businesses that are destroyed every day.

Right! Especially in their killing and destroying property of Russians and fellow Ukrainians in the Donbas and similar areas, starting even before 2014... Over 1000 people killed before Russia came in to stop it in February of 2022.

Well, I personally believe, Ukraine should be blamed. They weren't supposed to go to war, with a big brother like Russia in the first place.

Whatever side Ukraine may have taken in the debate, they would have sought out a solution before things got out of hand. They would have recognized that Russia is their big brother and that, due to their superior arsenals and status as one of the world's superpowers, they are capable of annihilating them in a matter of seconds.

Is just like Mexico, wanting to go to war with USA, we all know the result will be catastrophic for Mexico. Today, no Russian city has been scratched, but I cannot say thesame for Ukraine.

It is hard to blame which side caused this war because everyone has their own reasons, but who is right and who is wrong, the war has entered its 323rd day, and the people affected the most are the people of the two countries, and then is us. As long as the war continues, inflation, energy crisis, and food crisis will persist, and we will suffer more just because of the war between the two countries. Instead of finding out who is right and wrong, we should pray for the war to end soon so that life can return to normal.

Yeah, let NATO stop the supply of arms and supplies to Ukraine and allow Russia to easily overwhelm and take over Ukraine. It seems you don’t like it when Ukraine defends herself against the obvious aggressor Russia. While it may not seem necessary to you for Ukraine to join the bloc, it is definitely not necessary for Russia to invade Ukraine. The Ukrainians are the ones defending their territory

We cannot blame any particular party as the responsible one for this war. In my opinion, everyone is equally involved in this. In this race to prove itself as a superior or superpower, ordinary citizens face the consequences of this war. Therefore, I think this should be stopped at once.

This explains Macron's repeated calls to reduce dependence and attachment to the United States. The Europeans found themselves forced by this alliance to confront Russia within the NATO alliance, while not all countries in that alliance are affected by this confrontation. On the contrary, it is noticeable that some countries are actually beneficiaries, such as the United States and Turkey.

This calls me to remind about the insistence of the British to exit the European Union within the framework of the Brexit project, and the surprise was the outbreak of the Ukrainian war shortly after the ratification of the Brexit.

US's target is not only Russia but also the EU, their good brothers. On the one hand, they want to weaken Russia, on the other hand, they want the EU region to be more dependent on them, that is, they do not want the EU to be free but under their control. And they are succeeding in all their goals. The war is not over, Russia suffers military losses, the EU is more dependent on oil and gas.

In the winter of 2022, the EU imports most of its LNG from the US at extremely high prices, and it is very likely that if the EU does not find a solution on gas, in 2023, they will have to continue to depend on the US in this regard.

Apart form Ukraine and Russia - the countries which tried to impose bans on Russia and supported Ukraine made thing worse for all the countries
It is better to fight your own battle than to support the other battles.

Russians is defending their territory? Interesting statement. Maybe I don't know something, but Ukraine or NATO dind't planned to invade Russia. And there is no battles happening in Russian cities like Rostov, Kursk or Belgorod. All battles is happening in territory of Ukraine and I'm not really sure how Russian defend their land by invading another country.
Ukraine saw necessity to join NATO as Russia become security threat for for them. I just remind thing called Budapest memorandum were Russia was supposed to be security guarantee of Ukraine.

Ukraine never gave promises to Russia that they never will join NATO. As independent country they can decide themselves what to do. After all, I still don't understand why for Russia it's OK to have their neighbours Poland and Baltic states in NATO, while Ukraine would be security threat already.
Good point about passive West reaction after Crimea and Easter Ukraine invasion. They imposed some sanctions, but it was more to make image that they're doing something and it had zero impact. And they continue to do like nothing didn't happened. Actually, some still continue to do it even after 24th of February. For example, they selling good to Russia, but they're doing it through 3rd parties like Kazakhstan.

Iran is backing Russia by supplying them Shahed drones, which are renamed by Russia as Geran-2.

Currently, the only beneficiary of the war is the United States, in contrast to its European allies who found themselves in a war with Russia they had not wanted since World War I. America incites both sides of the conflict and moves the threads of the game without taking into consideration its European allies who are receiving painful blows in their economies and their Russian energy resources.

If Ukraine succeeds in reaching an armistice agreement with Russia, it will become the least affected compared to the rest of Europe affected by economic sanctions. At the same time, it is also not in Russia's interest to continue the military operation indefinitely. She is also badly affected.

If you think that the current war is between Russia and Nato, it is more accurate than the war between Russia and the US because the US is the head of Nato, and they decide everything in the bloc. The EU never wants to go to war with Russia because both benefit each other economically.

It can be said that Ukraine is the one who suffered the most in this war, they are victims of the war between two great powers, and their fate is no longer up to them.
Any negotiations between Russia and Ukraine will never result, but the country that needs to sit at the negotiating table is the United States.

The US not only reaped huge profits from war, if viewed fairly, The US benefits in all aspects. In addition to the profits from selling weapons and energy, the unprecedented advantage is that they have succeeded in migrating Russia into the war because they have always considered Russia their number one military opponent. The fact that Russia is mired in war will make the Russian economy go back several decades and difficult to recover in a short time, when the economy goes down, everything will become slow.
Previously they were ready to punish any country that bought weapons from Russia, and now they have no rivals in the arms market.

Many people tend to forget what was happening before February 2022. If anything, this whole conflict started in early 2000's when Bush administration pushed Ukraine and Georgia in NATO to completely block Russia in Black Sea. North Atlantic Treaty Organization where "North Atlantic" countries are a minority. In 2008, in Bucharest NATO summit, Germany and France vetoed UA and Georgia application in fear of Russia's reaction. But USA ignored their veto. Putin said he'll take Crimea if UA continues NATO path. What happened in 2014? I mean, listen what smart people like Jeffrey Sachs have to say on this topic. It's not as Putin just woke up one morning and decided to invade Ukraine.

I'm not blaming Ukraine for this just to be clear. It is evident that the west wanted this to happen and did absolutely nothing to stop it. Hell, if you want to be a conspiracy theorist, it's weird that Russo-Ukrainian negotiations conveniently stopped some time around Boris Johnson's visit to Ukraine. And in a month or so he quit from his Prime Minister position. Almost as if he said "ok, my part here is done".

NATO's supply of weapons and aid to Ukraine will only make the war longer and worse, not make things better, and most likely World War 3 will start from here, I don't expect it. With Nato or not, the Russian plan is still the same, what the Russians are doing is just defending their territory and preventing Nato's expansion. They underestimated others thinking they could extend the block to every corner of the world. It was not necessary for Ukraine to join Nato, it was clear that there was an arrangement to make Ukraine a victim of the war.

I don't like playing the blame because it is mostly used by the weak. Accepting faults and taking responsibility for one's actions is my favorite game.
Russia wanted Ukraine to assure her that it would never join NATO because of the threat it poses to its security. But Ukraine failed to give such a guarantee because it sees Russia as an unrepentant aggressor. Thereafter, Russian Generals underestimated the powers of Ukraine and motivated Putin to invade her neighbor.

Russia should get most of the blame for not using dialogue to push its agenda in Ukraine. NATO should get a portion of the blame for its passive stance when Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. The sanctions against Russia during/after the Cremia invasion were not enough to scare them from future invasions. With the development in Ukraine, I am sure Russia and its likes have learned their lessons. All the nations that are giving loans/aid, trading with and supporting both parties are benefiting or would in the future benefit from this war.

From an objective point of view, Ukraine cannot be blamed for anything, because it did not start the confrontation and is currently on the defensive. From a political and strategic point of view, Russia does not accept a NATO presence on its borders, and this was evident when it annexed Crimea. The confrontation in Ukraine is currently between Russia and NATO countries.

If this so then who is backing Russia?. I don't know how accurate this might be but i think it is only Ukraine that is getting support from other bodies and the sole aim is to enable them protect their territory. For me Russians deserve to be blamed, I think Putin is only prolonging a lost battle. NATO and the US might have their interest in the war but obviously not at the expense of losing the lifes of both countries. Russians are the one making it bloody.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The WEF/UN/Davos/Bilderberg elites that desire a one-world government. Both Putin and Zelensky were part of the WEF so they are taking marching orders for destabilization of all nationalized governments from East and West. This war is meant to starve the world as the Ukraine feeds both Africa and EU while Russia provides energy to Europe and other regions at cheap rate as the West ignorantly went green without a plan for replacing the energies used by fossil fuels while accounting for exponential growth in their populations both foreign and native born ie. "The Problem"). "The Reaction" is further incitements of war elsewhere which leads to destabilization of governments that have to fight said wars or were reliant upon those fighting. "The Solution" by our global elite masters will be total national capitulation to their one-world government where they are the true victors over us the plebs as they will leverage resources and "peace" although "peace" in this case will amount to modern day neo-feudal slavery.

It's true that the US benefits the most, but are they really to blame for the war? I wouldn't say so.
The was was started by Putin and he could've ended it at any moment, but he was too proud and mislead by his generals who thought Ukraine was weak and they could launch a special forces assault on Kiev and take the parliament and presidential palace. Unfortunately the plan failed when their best soldiers were ambushed and wiped out by Ukrainians. There were many times to negotiate but Russians were to proud to take a step back and now that so much blood has been spilled it's much harder to reach consensus.

IMO it's great that NATO supplied Ukraine. What would you expect them to do? I hate bullies and Russia is a one of the biggest bullies in the world. Definitely the biggest one in Europe.

The US, EU, Russia, and Ukraine, think about who benefits most in this war. Who has the most profit is the mastermind of this war. Ukraine is the victim, so that we won't talk about them, the EU is in crisis and has the worst inflation in 40 years, Russia is mired in war, and its economy will take decades to recover and catch up with other powers. Finally the US, they are selling Ukraine billions of dollars of weapons, tons of gas, and oil to the EU at exorbitant prices, 4-5 times more expensive than the old price.

On thursday, 24th of february 2022 the Russian military on the order of her president, Mr. Putin invaded Ukraine. One of the reasons Putin gave for invasion was to demilitarize Ukraine.

Ukraine on her own side stood up to defend her territory from the invading military and since then, the conflict has lingered till date. Nobody thought this conflict would last this long.

Many countries are said to be supporting Ukraine especially the member countries of NATO. The US is also a major financiar of the Ukrainian side. Of a truth I am beginning to think that this war is being fueled by these supporters of both countries (Russia and Ukraine).

This war is supposed to have ended but with the support they are getting, they have continued to fight.
Who do you think should be blamed? The US, NATO, Russia, or Ukraine?