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Why do I getting a funny feeling that Leroy Fodor may be behind the SpaceGold thingy?

Glad to see that Sheldon Cooper is such a fan of the Lightning Network.


How's that moderator action working for ya so far?

I mean, I could call in some reinforcements who would blast your trust rating to kingdom come. I haven't even filed a formal Scam Accusation against you yet. You should consider yourself lucky I'm giving you the chance to fix your problems first.

Likewise.

If you:

- produce a non-plagiarized white paper
- remove the falsehoods about gold being returned from space on a regular basis

I will consider revising your trust feedback to a neutral score. Then the standing of this project will change from con artistry to an extremely shitty investment opportunity, which is a step up.


It's almost like you were being sarcastic, and still are.

Your last post is riddled with falsehood, so lets analyze them one-by-one:


Not 21 missions. The majority of these 21 missions are "incidental flybys" and failures. There is 1 successful sample collection from the Ryugu asteroid, which is thought to be comprised of nickel, iron, cobalt, water, nitrogen, hydrogen and ammonia (no gold).

"Hayabusa2 touched down briefly February 22, 2019 on the Ryugu asteroid, fired a bullet into the surface to puff up dust for collection and blasted back to its holding position, said officials from the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA)."

There is also 1 successful sample collection from the Itokawa asteroid, which also showed zero gold.

That's it. 2 sample returns, neither of which contained gold.


Plans on papers. What guarantee do you have that anybody wants to do business with you?


Again, dependent on too many contingencies to be a viable business model.  


There are no "proven recovery techniques." So far the only thing that has been returned from an asteroid is dust samples.


No, the companies would perform their operations regardless of the funds raised here that you are throwing at them.


OK so like I said earlier, it would appear that an SGOLD token holder has to hold their token(s) for 240 months in order to fully capitalize on this. There are currently zero space mines. This might be the case for decades.


Again, investors have to wait 20 years to capitalize on this, all while hoping the Ethereum platform isn't totally obsolete by then.


Again, this is all extremely speculative. As somebody who has analyzed probably over a hundred ICOs and token-based projects over the years I'd say the chances of this one being successful are far slimmer than almost all of them. And the bar is set pretty low.

Come back again in 10 years after the first gold containing sample may have been returned to earth.

When I saw this picture was from a law firm website, this immediately came to mind:



Have you been injured as the result of space travel?

Were you the victim of:

- UFO abduction?
- unauthorized anal probing?
- non-consensual mind melding?

Contact atty. James Dunstan, Space Lawyer. He is licensed to practice in 6 different galaxies. No case too small, no Borg too large.

From the OP: "You are right that space travel is costly, but less costly now that SpaceX has developed the ability to recover their first stage boosters and reuse them."


Definitive proof that we're currently mining asteroids for gold _VVV

Dear Nutildah, I have certain difficulty and if you can help me, I'll really appreciate it.

There is this questionable project, proposing to mine gold from space meteorites etc. While we knows that golds and other precious metals are abundant in space, I still would like to know more about their project. But, as I consult to their WP, I saw that they're not really careful (or perhaps didn't care at all) with their WP, where they have certain typo, and can't even locate it despite claiming have been reading their own WP carefully. You would perhaps familiar with how they didn't realize their WP is.plagiarizing articles. This problem (simple typo aside) as I see, will rather have certain possibility of stirring problems as their line of works revolve around a situation where they act as an entity that lend funds (investors fund) to "space-miners", and they should review the loan application carefully. The idea is, if they can't even review their own WP, how could investors be sure they'll be extra careful with future loan applications?

But when I pointed this out, instead of simply admitting the mistakes and explaining how these typos happen (and the lack of knowledge of plagiarism) and how to prevent it on future case of loan application, the community manager act rather uncooperatively by keep evading direct answer with his infamous "logical fallacies". I would assume this very CM, which turns out to be a very rich and successful CEO (please don't ask me how his employee feels working for him, I don't want to "attack personally") is rather a fallacy-aholic, judging from how he always respond everything that against his project by breaking down sentences into several words and label them neatly with imaginative fallacy (a good member codenamed cool-bowtie rises a speculation that it perhaps his way of deflecting responsibility from mistakes) and accuse people who tries to prove the legitimacy of his project as Troll.

Now, the problem is he decided to refuse answering me (which for a while, I conclude as a lost case as I didn't see how should I bother spending time asking someone who refuse to answer), but then I realized that, perhaps I can ask someone else to ask for me and see if he'll answer or he'll cling to his ultimate weapon of troll and fallacies despite the legit and crucial questions.

If you don't mind, kindly ask (for me and for the future investors) about how long is his payback period, and how will this PP be affected by the very long ICO of five YEARS. If he label you as troll as well and refuse to answer, I think the community may start to wonder why he kept evading answers and can begin to conclude how good is this project is.

I notice you edited every single one of your messages to claim that the negative trust I gave you was "bogus." It certainly was not. I told you about the plagiarism and pointed out the original sources of your white paper material. You denied it. Thus, your negative trust was earned.

Quoted for posterity:


240 months after production starts? So that's 20 years after the first gold has been mined from space by a company that you are invested in! You expect people to be invested in your company for a bare minimum of 21 years! Assuming it only takes a year to get a satellite your company has invested in to get to an asteroid and successfully find gold... It could take much, much longer.


As I said earlier, this is not true. It's never happened. Gold particles may have been found in an asteroid sample, but you don't produce evidence of this. Your claim is thus baseless.


But you currently have no contracts in place with these companies, correct?


Again, this is highly speculative. Its zero tons at the moment.


Not backed by an asset. Its an investment in a project which may yield zero assets, thus the tokens are not backed by anything except expectations.


 

Pheeewww buddy. This was an awful sales pitch. I feel creeped out after reading it. There are so many problems with your plan. Here's the biggest ones:

1. You expect to form partnerships/contracts with "space gold" mining companies.
2. You are certain the ones you do form contracts with will be successful.
3. Even if they are, you expect your investors to wait for over 20 years to redeem their tokens for real gold.
4. You assume the Ethereum platform will still be around in 20+ years and not replaced by better technology.
5. You didn't take the time to write your own white paper -- without investing the time it takes to create your own white paper, how do you honestly expect investors to be patient for 20 years while waiting for your project to bear fruit?

There's just far too many contingencies to make this a viable plan. Why wouldn't investors just invest in the asteroid mining companies directly?

Nope. Not "as a result." You were "attacked by trusted parties" because you denied having a plagiarized white paper. You could have copped to what happened instead of claiming I was engaging in "logical fallacies." Its highly unlikely that anybody who approached you has an account with the standing of mine. I just look through ICO announcements, analyze their white papers and find inconsistencies. If your claim has evidence that I am somehow linked to these other accounts who offered to help promote your project, list them here and let the public do research and come to conclusions on their own.


Its not just "similarities", its word-for-word copy/pasting. Thanks for not making me have to post a formal Scam Accusation against you, which I was about to do until I read this message. I reserve the right to do this in the future because some of your claims about gold already being brought back from space (for the purposes of being sold) are simply untrue. If my claim is incorrect, please post some evidence that refutes it.

What you're proposing is an extremely risky, theoretical and long-term investment model. This is not suitable for cryptocurrency.

This guy claims to be an academic. He should have more respect for the white paper process. I'd say at least half of his white paper is plagiarized. Then to have the pompous attitude he does. Not a good combination.

BTW, mass spectrometry is not the same thing as "refining." Its used to analyze the contents of a sample. The entire idea is a load of b.s. If he tried to go public he'd immediately be sued for fraud.

Thanks for taking the time to go through the WP. Couldn't bring myself to give it a second glance after going through their CEO's background and realizing that he's a failed has-be. Probably saw ICOing as the easiest route to that castle in the sky he's been fawning all his life over. Hopefully, he's going to rant one more time before ejecting himself out of the community. I've got popcorns...

I pointed out to you exactly what was plagiarized.


Good. Fuck off. Find some other place to run your scam.

OK, so zero. There's zero gold that's been "mined and refined in space." ZERO. Therefore, you should have produced zero tokens.


No, its not. As a matter of fact its NEVER happened. Some of earth's gold may have come here from meteorites. That's not what you're talking about, however.


OK but so far you have no contracts with ANY of these highly-experimental companies, none of which have brought back a single gram of gold, and aren't expected to for many years.

This project seems like an outright fraud. I'm giving you one chance to refute the plagiarism claims above or any of the claims made in this post before tagging you as a scammer.

Warning: white paper contains several instances of plagiarism:

From the white paper:


Original source:


From the white paper:


Original source:


These are but 2 of many.

OP please revise your white paper and credit your sources or better yet, come up with your own words, or I will tag your account as promoting plagiarism.

Frankly, I don't have the time of day for you. All I wanted to point out are two things.
1. My first post said I was taking NO sides
2. Even if English is your fifth language, there's no way anybody could have construed whatever I posted here as an attack on any product, talk more of this product. However, deflection is such a nice strategy when trying to squirrel behind anything but one's shortcoming. Suddenly I'm attacking the product and saying shitty things about it. Nah mate, the only shitty thing right here is your attitude. Carry on

If you're new to "communicating" with the public - a decentralized public, there's no shame in saying so. We're all learning. But here you are trying to crowdfund a venture and labelling any contrary voice/opinion a troll or a "tone police"? Even if my suggestion or anybody's suggestion seems contrary to yours and you're certainly not going to listen to it, there's no harm in saying "Noted", or "It would be looked into". We can't please the world, but we sure as heck can avoid not feeding the flame by toeing the neutral line sometimes. If you're talking about trolls or whatever you wanna label them as, some of us see them every minute, because community management is what we do. If you can't handle a few barb from a single individual, wonder what a thousand roomful will do... 70k would probably be apocalyptic...

Not siding with anybody here, however, the OP should at least try to maintain a sense of professionalism since they are representing a company/brand. When arguments/discussions devolve into a state of "I" for any brand or company and gets personalized, one begins to question which identity is which and if the whole venture is being driven by personal ego rather than brand vision

I do have better things to do, but I always spare some time to contribute to the community to check at questionable projects like yours, so people won't fall into scam (which I began to strongly suspect that your project are).

I would point out that this is another attempt to evade those three questions. How about this, answer those three directly, in a short but clear answers, and we engage in a project related discussion? Or do you find it too difficult to answer those (even the easiest one on number 3) because you don't have any answer for them?

Shall we move to the main concerns here and stop being less professional by start discussing about matters related to the project?

Kindly help with the followings:
1. Do you acknowledge that there's a crucial typo with the whitepaper? And how does it passed final editing and evaluation?

2. How will this reflect to future contracts and loan applications? Kindly see this on professional view, as I tried to eradicate before you derail them into personal issue. As I said, people would assume that if something as simple as WP could pass your screening with errors, what'll guarantee that a troublesome loan application will not unfortunately pass your screening?

3. PP, i notice you haven't reply this one despite being asked several times

I looked at your funny videos, as the probe flew to the asteroid from a rocket. And then the video is interrupted. How will he look for gold? And if you do not find? And if you can not get? And how will the gold be returned to the earth? What price will each launch cost?

I honestly spent several mins trying to figure how's the best way to reply you, as you throw everything from the earlier discussion into a jumbled post, which made me went straight into thinking if this project hire a community manager to help them, a barely-teenage CM most likely. Because if I have to guess which of the two people of the team replied me, I honestly can't point it out. Certainly not a CEO that's very well connected and supposed to know how to carry himself, and definitely not a highly educated engineer (or so, they claim).

Anyway, let's try to answer you this way,

Sarcasm
Not important, really, out of topic, yet as you decide to take it into matter... lots of people can easily spot sarcasm in a non-verbal context actually. And studies argue that an ability to understand sarcasm can be a good hint of intelligence. Let's just end this (and move to the main topic) with an idea that according to the research someone can understand sarcasm easier than others, as how intelligence indicate.

Ad nauseum
Just wanting to make sure you do read your WP CAREFULLY as well as giving you a chance to acknowledge the mistype. You claimed so, but you still can't point out the reason why I ask? Are you sure you read? carefully?

Non-English
well yes, I am fully aware that there's a lot of people who doesn't speak English well. I'm not even a native English, and I'm not a grammar police that like to scream at a small mistype. But your typo (as I said) is a crucial and eyesore thing. Certainly it's fine to ask a non-native English speaker to write a WP, and certainly it'll be acceptable if the writer mistype because of the language difference, and so far, I actually didn't bother looking for a misspelled words. But tell me, does your writer is somewhat... didn't understand arabic numeral?

ANY ERROR *in capital* and ranting cluelessly
Ahh... Fine, let's see page 3 of your WP, lower right part, inside the table, beside the "time" cell. Is it not a critical mistype, then? It is intended to be that way? Your ICO duration is intended to move back in time? Wow... you're not only farming gold but also building a worm-hole? or is it a time machine?

Disconnected-with-previous-posts, strawman, troll, etc
Kindly tell me, would someone trust to invest on a company that didn't even bother crosscheck their business proposal? Twice or thrice? Or maybe four times? Because I myself, always re-read everything business-related in real life before presenting it to others.

Now, when you ready to professionally acknowledge your mistake, I'll love to move into details of your projects.

How do you know that there are gold and diamonds flying through the solar system? As far as I know, American missiles fly on Russian engines, and if anyone gets a chance to mine, these will be the leading world powers and these projects will be very, very expensive.

You did read your WP? Oh, glad to hear that. So you're surely know you have a small (but rather crucial and eyesore) typo? You didn't realize it? Funny, because as someone who urge everyone to read, you failed to spot while I saw them right away because. Or are you saying you're doing it deliberately?

A small mistype is an acceptable human error, but still it was frowned upon on an business proposal. Team are expected to read carefully before publishing them.

Well, I guess that's what happen if you work with only two team member, they're too "busy" reviewing loan application that they publish a WP carelessly. And no, I'm not talking a simple letter typo like "and" typed into "snd".

This project is going nowhere. If this is a legit project, they will not list only 2 staffs. We are talking about the exploration in space here. I don't buy the idea that this is a legit one.

You missed my post, and by the way, (because you repeat an almost similar urge to him as you to me) have you read what has been written?

Also, it'll be very nice if you can simply reply him with the numbers of your projected PP

What is the payback period of your project, dreamers? Do you have Ilona Mask on your team, who will build a mining ship for you?

You might want to actually read the definition of sarcasm before commenting. That always help avoid embarrassment.

And how on earth could I know how many people on your team? You only listed two. One CEO and one engineer. I imagined tens, if not hundreds, but maybe your engineer is just that extremely ultra super ultimate talented that he can tackle everything.

Yet, maybe your company is simply just unique. You (as you claimed) add info on a forum thread, that's not available on the whitepaper. Definitely a logical way to attract investors, we can always like, "hey, thank you for your offers.on investing with us, read the info about this bits on the WP and about that bits on the forum, ok? What? What do you mean by writing all the info on WP? No, we don't want to give our investors convenience. Yes, we understand that's literally our business proposal, but no, we don't want that."

By the way, have YOU read your own whitepaper?

You conveniently copy and paste your entire whitepaper to this ann thread, a very nice gesture to dissuade people from reading. Understandable, though. With such spectacular goal and only two staffs (according to your site) working, certainly it's very hard to create an interesting ann thread.

What is this? A toy such as mining gold from asteroids? You can also call asteroids by the names of investors. You only agree with astronomers.

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