I am an idiot and had a typo in the r value - an extra 0 on the end.
Thanks. merit added
Topic: Same R value but software does not produce the correct key (Read 230 times)
Not sure what you're doing wrong, 0xea32615633688185aa89ffe39e5aff9f0f1f9020477a61eb904db9aa16d561de is what you get when you don't negate s1 or s2.
My numbers:
My numbers:
Code:
z1 0xa1807c2d03c25bd953b18d867a70a19a70ac4d1f2a867f1f16eb89e784812f1a
z2 0x422a028e6f65934a190b6f9b728b5a0be4feee358852fd544b4c3f5e80934aa6
r1 0x5c89e3bcf8d3d25ed2be7071d086590394d912fb16e5c14643b1aba3b7668fda
s1 0x1667166dfbcf50fb161cbeb839bd8619a2fb7e2a8e1fb8f40ed873d824478401
N-s2 0xfff30a8511c93aef07c8bebe916ccf5c9ef2d6161213f1097bec5f4b386f9f09 (used as replacement for s2)
k 0x155362cdb2f5c90d4d541e3feddf2e706a6b4e6b93dd1406520fcee6bb570454
x 0x76515e29b11d76099d1858e6f97ec274040d7e43a435f5e4959217538448d9ea
I have not been able to work this out so a merit point for anyone who can show how to calculate the key only using the information in this transaction.
I am interested in the math not the key or k. Thanks
5D212D7AB71598B9A97E21B8A608713C97F46BE4E410BD1B6A03B3BF2B1AC574
I am interested in the math not the key or k. Thanks
5D212D7AB71598B9A97E21B8A608713C97F46BE4E410BD1B6A03B3BF2B1AC574
thank you again. I will try all the permutations I can think of and publish the answer if I find it.
If anyone else finds it in the meantime, please let me know.
Too lazy to check another one, but notice that there are two possible k: N - k is also a valid value, maybe that one works?
Thank you. That makes sense but the extra 00 does not seem to make any difference to the calculations.
I still get the wrong answer of
X = 209f1b692d307066bd4e70a945d657776e7b115d626e4302af0c6a710544ba60 which we know is wrong and
K = ea32615633688185aa89ffe39e5aff9f0f1f9020477a61eb904db9aa16d561de
with the online calculator
again I have tried 3 ways with s, -s1 , -s2
I still get the wrong answer of
X = 209f1b692d307066bd4e70a945d657776e7b115d626e4302af0c6a710544ba60 which we know is wrong and
K = ea32615633688185aa89ffe39e5aff9f0f1f9020477a61eb904db9aa16d561de
with the online calculator
again I have tried 3 ways with s, -s1 , -s2
The length byte is the 1f following 02. s = 0x000cf57aee36c510f83741416e9330a21bbc06d09d34af3243e5ff4197c6a238 so the first zero byte isn't included in the signature, therefore the length is 1f instead of the usual 20.
Thank you. Using the same public key/address there is also this transaction
5D212D7AB71598B9A97E21B8A608713C97F46BE4E410BD1B6A03B3BF2B1AC574
It also has duplicate but different R values (so K is different) and different S values. Accepting that K could be calculated as per witcher_sense post, let's assume we don't know K and have to calculate the 'usual' way.
We should still be able to get the correct key and new K from the matching R values and different S values by the usual process but the values do not produce the correct result.
I have tried with my new knowledge, (r,s) (r, -s1) (r, -s2) .
However I notice the second transaction DER is slightly different and is missing the usual length byte after the 02 for the S string.
4630
43
0220
5c89e3bcf8d3d25ed2be7071d086590394d912fb16e5c14643b1aba3b7668fda
02 <- usually a length byte follows
1f0cf57aee36c510f83741416e9330a21bbc06d09d34af3243e5ff4197c6a238
01
I have tried with S being as above and 0cf57aee36c510f83741416e9330a21bbc06d09d34af3243e5ff4197c6a238.
Any ideas why this does not produce the correct values?
Thank you
5D212D7AB71598B9A97E21B8A608713C97F46BE4E410BD1B6A03B3BF2B1AC574
It also has duplicate but different R values (so K is different) and different S values. Accepting that K could be calculated as per witcher_sense post, let's assume we don't know K and have to calculate the 'usual' way.
We should still be able to get the correct key and new K from the matching R values and different S values by the usual process but the values do not produce the correct result.
I have tried with my new knowledge, (r,s) (r, -s1) (r, -s2) .
However I notice the second transaction DER is slightly different and is missing the usual length byte after the 02 for the S string.
4630
43
0220
5c89e3bcf8d3d25ed2be7071d086590394d912fb16e5c14643b1aba3b7668fda
02 <- usually a length byte follows
1f0cf57aee36c510f83741416e9330a21bbc06d09d34af3243e5ff4197c6a238
01
I have tried with S being as above and 0cf57aee36c510f83741416e9330a21bbc06d09d34af3243e5ff4197c6a238.
Any ideas why this does not produce the correct values?
Thank you
Is there any way of spotting when (r,s) and (r, -s) are both valid ?
If (r,s) is a valid signature then (r,-s) is also always a valid signature because of the way ECDSA works. However, you have no way of knowing whether the signer negated s value or not by just looking at the signature.
Thank you! Exactly what I wanted to know.
Is there any way of spotting when (r,s) and (r, -s) are both valid ?
Or is it a matter of trial and error?
Is there any way of spotting when (r,s) and (r, -s) are both valid ?
Or is it a matter of trial and error?
The issue is that both (r, s) and (r, -s) are valid signatures. If you pick
s2 = N - 0x55fe0b499af7f2c376a2f4e3fc960cd7402c05c8b9b821543244bb39ccc623be = 0xaa01f4b665080d3c895d0b1c0369f3277a82d71df5907ee78d8da35303701d83
and use that in your calculations instead, you will get the correct answer, which is
k = 0xad8c707d60847d51fa28437c7a8e3659cf67f6509463f21872d543b160803e17
x = 0x76515e29b11d76099d1858e6f97ec274040d7e43a435f5e4959217538448d9ea
s2 = N - 0x55fe0b499af7f2c376a2f4e3fc960cd7402c05c8b9b821543244bb39ccc623be = 0xaa01f4b665080d3c895d0b1c0369f3277a82d71df5907ee78d8da35303701d83
and use that in your calculations instead, you will get the correct answer, which is
k = 0xad8c707d60847d51fa28437c7a8e3659cf67f6509463f21872d543b160803e17
x = 0x76515e29b11d76099d1858e6f97ec274040d7e43a435f5e4959217538448d9ea
Thank you for taking the time to reply. All information is appreciated.
I am more interested in why the math "doesn't work" . My reading and experiments show that given the same R value and different S values,we can work out the private key if the public keys are the same. Private key = ((S * K) - Z) / R) % N. (Old news I know) .
So, for this transaction, which has the same public key, so must have the same private key and K value, the only thing I can imagine is that the data in the RSZ values must have been calculated differently?? Does anyone know how?
You can play with the values in this online calculator.
http://rawcdn.githack.com/nlitsme/bitcoinexplainer/aa50e86e8c72c04a7986f5f7c43bc2f98df94107/calculator.html#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
Thank you
I am more interested in why the math "doesn't work" . My reading and experiments show that given the same R value and different S values,we can work out the private key if the public keys are the same. Private key = ((S * K) - Z) / R) % N. (Old news I know) .
So, for this transaction, which has the same public key, so must have the same private key and K value, the only thing I can imagine is that the data in the RSZ values must have been calculated differently?? Does anyone know how?
You can play with the values in this online calculator.
http://rawcdn.githack.com/nlitsme/bitcoinexplainer/aa50e86e8c72c04a7986f5f7c43bc2f98df94107/calculator.html#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
Thank you
You say that 1PYwTzZZhMdaCh1QtU8LY61taUnFhuUMkX has already been compomised, which means its private key should already be know to the public. If this is the case and you have signature, message, message hash, you can calculate a signing secret which was used to calculate signature values.
Use this formula:
where
z - message hash
d - secret
r, s - signature
Please note that in order to calculate private key, you need to have a signing secret, and the opposite is also true: in order to calculate signing secret, you need to have private key which was used to sign message. The following formula can be used to derive d from known signing secret, signature and message:
where
z - message hash
k - signing secret
r, s - signature
Use this formula:
Code:
k = (z + d * r) / s
where
z - message hash
d - secret
r, s - signature
Please note that in order to calculate private key, you need to have a signing secret, and the opposite is also true: in order to calculate signing secret, you need to have private key which was used to sign message. The following formula can be used to derive d from known signing secret, signature and message:
Code:
d = (s * k - z) / r
where
z - message hash
k - signing secret
r, s - signature
Hello, I am trying to learn and I am confused by this transaction
b7ca4adad64a5c8a57258d3943002ce3f9ffa543d794bfc9eba34f22905ded1c
for this already compromised and empty address from years ago 1PYwTzZZhMdaCh1QtU8LY61taUnFhuUMkX
It has a duplicate R value, 2c64be172f697261c08f9a9ede4f1359cd5a6a75f9c4bc60d359640acd2722b1
with different S values,
2575266b294a19029ac41b8f998ef883d8be2d38994932e493b0d6354034aa30 and
55fe0b499af7f2c376a2f4e3fc960cd7402c05c8b9b821543244bb39ccc623be
The Z values are
12f47c9f1d683e991e4d9d38e8dca9c55df7fc4a346e7b747fe882f7a7a64f4d and
82c2725f6fd394d544bc8532ce3b68116be8466006d04764d4d5b1d65dcb9459
I have tried several different programs online and offline which give a consistent result,
k = 0xa8ebe295be40b9b6363494de5844d8cc2003e45a39e8b398f714c832df1b2855
x = 0x91c405583bb95ba30c9fde2d8ef5a9b79c0cdada4ee97710874bf0a217c3c06c
But this key (x) does not match 1PYw....
What am I missing??
Thank you
b7ca4adad64a5c8a57258d3943002ce3f9ffa543d794bfc9eba34f22905ded1c
for this already compromised and empty address from years ago 1PYwTzZZhMdaCh1QtU8LY61taUnFhuUMkX
It has a duplicate R value, 2c64be172f697261c08f9a9ede4f1359cd5a6a75f9c4bc60d359640acd2722b1
with different S values,
2575266b294a19029ac41b8f998ef883d8be2d38994932e493b0d6354034aa30 and
55fe0b499af7f2c376a2f4e3fc960cd7402c05c8b9b821543244bb39ccc623be
The Z values are
12f47c9f1d683e991e4d9d38e8dca9c55df7fc4a346e7b747fe882f7a7a64f4d and
82c2725f6fd394d544bc8532ce3b68116be8466006d04764d4d5b1d65dcb9459
I have tried several different programs online and offline which give a consistent result,
k = 0xa8ebe295be40b9b6363494de5844d8cc2003e45a39e8b398f714c832df1b2855
x = 0x91c405583bb95ba30c9fde2d8ef5a9b79c0cdada4ee97710874bf0a217c3c06c
But this key (x) does not match 1PYw....
What am I missing??
Thank you
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