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Quote from: BitcoinMoses on January 25, 2023, 10:26:30 AM

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I wonder when satoshi’s real identity will be released? I wonder if someone or some agency is withholding his access to his coins?

There are many people out there wondering about it same as you except me. The last point of your comment about 'some one' or some agency - No Comment.

Ahh you aren’t worried about it because you are satoshi correct? What took you so long to reappear? Also, I mention an agency based off of the event hosted by the CIA that he was invited to. It’s an interesting topic to me, I appreciate your reply.

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I wonder when satoshi’s real identity will be released? I wonder if someone or some agency is withholding his access to his coins?

There are many people out there wondering about it same as you except me. The last point of your comment about 'some one' or some agency - No Comment.

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Quote from: nullama on January 23, 2023, 08:48:41 PM

The white paper is very short, 9 pages in total including references, anyone interested in Bitcoin should read it. It's available here: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

Now, if someone wants to read it but wants some background to it, I recommend getting this book:

https://ignota.org/products/the-white-paper

It's basically a printed version of the white paper, plus some background about Bitcoin, and each part of the white paper is explained for the general population.

I enjoyed reading the white paper from a physical book, feels a bit nicer than reading a pdf on a computer, plus the book is a nice short read that explains why Bitcoin is important.

Another great link, thank you.
At some point may create a link list for Bitcoin-interested individuals, already had a nice collection before and recently got more and more great resources and recommendations.

I am certain it will be already within this century, that we see the Bitcoin whitepaper printed in schoolbooks. - Ofc it belongs in any good economics class, but could also be a good starting point for some interesting computer-science or math classes.
A lot of good stuff to come. :)

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Hahahah yes satoshi are among us, but I also believe that satoshi whether is a person or a group of people still active or at least watch this forum. maybe creating new user and talk to you guys. and also satoshi might have wallet address that we don't know right

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You know I never even thought about making a post like this as I just assumed that most people knew that Satoshi's posts can be seen here, but I can see there are plenty of people who didn't know this and likely will continue to find this out thanks to this post.

I have read through everything Satoshi has written here. There's a few of his posts in particular that I really like (like his proposal for 3rd party-less escrow using cryptography/smart contracts). I've of course seen the white paper too. All must reads!

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I had read about the Bitcoin whitepaper and that is where I saw some certain things Satoshi Nakamoto wrote about Bitcoin and how is it meant to work. The Bitcoin market started like a seed that would never germinate but now we were all wrong about the entire Market mostly for those that thought Bitcoin was a scam. Things are growing faster than we think and we hope for better days.

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Quote from: nullama on January 21, 2023, 09:15:34 PM

I like to read from time to time the original messages.

Here you can find all the messages in an easy to browse way:

https://satoshi.nakamotoinstitute.org

They also have links to the early emails, and the source code.

It's a great window to the past, and you can get an idea of the foundation of Bitcoin.

Highly recommended reading.

Uh, I love this - merci beaucoup!
Already shared this link to some collegues and friends, great resource.

So I'd assume your answer to both of my questions is a clear yes.
Great to see again, that many folks seem to be familiar with some of Satoshis output. (even though it's of course a very biased lense looking through a bitcointalk post).

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

Two questions:
1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?

Yes, I do and from time to time I will have to go back and read his posts because some of them are still applicable even if he suddenly disappears (which is understandable).

Like this one: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6306

" If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry."

Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

Yes, but I have to admit that in the beginning, it's hard to understand but that's where this community comes in as you can search or even ask questions if you have doubts about the WP.

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Quote from: Darker45 on January 01, 2023, 05:53:57 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on December 31, 2022, 02:58:07 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on December 30, 2022, 09:52:43 PM

Sometimes it's quite ironic that many of those who came early because they saw something in Bitcoin were also those who sell early probably because their sense of foresight proved to be shortsighted.

It is. But I doubt anyone (not even Satoshi) could have imagined that bitcoin would be worth thousands of dollars one day back in the days when it was still trading for a few bucks. The network's features, the way the blockchain works, and the problems it was set out to solve are just one side of the coin. Those things were there when bitcoin was worth $6, just like they were there when it exploded to $60.000. The speculative price or the "premium on top", like franky likes to call it, is not something that can be predicted.

Yeah, those speculative prices are probably beyond prediction. But aren't those also somehow implied very early on when Satoshi himself/herself/themselves, for example, acknowledged the possibility that Bitcoin could get really "huge" and that "6.8 billion people" would only be sharing a maximum of 21 millions coins? Or when Satoshi somehow advised to "get some in case it catches on?" Or perhaps when Hal somehow imagined the possibility that each coin could reach as high as $10 million?

I mean, would you be selling or abandon or forget your coins if you already saw Bitcoin's potential right from the start? Or even probably shared Satoshi or Hal's vision of Bitcoin's potential scenario in the future?

Or perhaps those who came early had doubts of Bitcoin's future that they're very much willing to dump their coins as soon as the price hit half a dollar each? Or perhaps some of them, though running Bitcoin, aren't really serious or didn't really see the potential of Bitcoin that they didn't care about their coins.

It's funny because I read a few times it really doesn't matter too much who Satoshi actually is. Bitcoin is out there now and it already has had an impact on society and economy and will continue to do so even more in the next decade.
However, this is one of the super interesting thoughts, what does he think now, what did he think when he created it. If he is indeed the kind of genious that he has been praised to be, I agree and he probably saw the potential for BTC to reach 1M per coin or even more.
So, if that is the case, and if he was mostly ideologically driven, not monetarily, it would also make sense to abandon / not touch his coins, keys for so long. Maybe he even destroyed his priv keys on purpose.

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Quote from: Pmalek on December 31, 2022, 02:58:07 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on December 30, 2022, 09:52:43 PM

Sometimes it's quite ironic that many of those who came early because they saw something in Bitcoin were also those who sell early probably because their sense of foresight proved to be shortsighted.

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Quote from: Ucy on December 31, 2022, 10:35:38 AM

If you you want to understand Satoshi's true intention for Bitcoin and speak like him without ever going through his posts or reading Bitcoin Whitepaper, you need to know few things:
1. You need to know The Bitcoin principles and what problems they seek to solve.
2. Or understand what foundation Bitcoin is built on
3. Then let everthing you develop or problems you solve in crypto space be consistently based on the foundation. And you will understand Satoshi and his intention for Bitcoin.

More great things will begin to happen to you when you build on the Bitcoin foundation, you will begin to accurately say things Satoshi said before even without ever reading about them. And Bitcoin will obey you as you have become its Master . For example, if I say Bitcoin move to $17,000 as its Master, it will.

Agreed on your 3 points. Someone that comes to mind, who really did a great job of just explaining what the true core of Bitcoin is is/was Andreas Antonopoulos. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJWCJCWOxBYSi5DhCieLOLQ)
His output has stopped for quite a few months now, but I think most that can be found is still relevant. Interestingly enough Andreas was always doing a good job of not overemphasizing Satoshis role and trying to focus more on what Bitcoin can do now and where it could be headed in the future. A good approach imho.

Generally nice to see that a lot of folks seem to already have had some exposure either to the Whitepaper or Satoshis posts.

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Quote from: pooya87 on December 29, 2022, 10:34:11 AM

...you should know that it is already translated to a lot of different languages. You can find them all on bitcoin.org website here: https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper

The list of translated papers could have been ordered better. They could have listed them alphabetically and decided to either use the international names of the languages or the way they are called locally. But here we get a combination of everything.

You have things like Czech, Estonian, Croatian, Albanian, etc.
At the same time, we can see Հայերեն, Lietuvių Kalba, Slovenščina etc.

There is also Nederlands. You will seldom see someone refer to the Dutch language as "Nederlands". I have seen the term "Netherlandic" before. Google even mentions "Dutch Nederlands".

Quote from: Darker45 on December 30, 2022, 09:52:43 PM

Sometimes it's quite ironic that many of those who came early because they saw something in Bitcoin were also those who sell early probably because their sense of foresight proved to be shortsighted.

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

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Two questions:
1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?
2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

I was aware of Satoshi account here on the forum, of course, and I have myself gone back to see his/her participation in an era when Bitcoin and this industry perceived in a very different way. I have myself linked satoshi posts to a friend who was interested in Bitcoin as investment.

I have never read the Bitcoin Whitepaper, I should. I have delayed it long enough. I am just afraid I would not understand completely the terms and the cryptographic theory written in it.

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Quote from: 1miau on December 30, 2022, 08:01:43 PM

Quote from: Darker45 on December 28, 2022, 09:18:14 PM

Quote from: 1miau on December 28, 2022, 08:20:12 PM

Most likely, we are still early but all members which have been active, while Satoshi was still active here, have been really early. Cheesy

Yes, it would be interesting to know what these early Bitcointalk members are doing now. Already rich from Bitcoin? Broken because of selling all Bitcoins too early? Getting hacked / scammed? Lost their private keys?
Sure, we'll never know but these would be interesting stories.

Probably all of the above. Sometimes it's quite ironic that many of those who came early because they saw something in Bitcoin were also those who sell early probably because their sense of foresight proved to be shortsighted. Or some of those who took time to mine Bitcoin very early because Bitcoin showed some signs of a promising future are the same people who didn't really take care of their coins. They're throwing away hard drives, forget private keys, didn't keep a back up, give Bitcoins away, trade them for whatever cheap stuff, and so forth.

Quote from: Darker45 on December 28, 2022, 09:18:14 PM

They've probably changed hands already.

Not sure if some of these early Accounts have changed hands because if so, it wouldn't make sense to log in only from time to time and just keep observing. If these Accounts would have changed hands, I would expect different actions from them, like shitposting, trying to gain trust again and / or similar patterns because why whould someone buy such an Account and just do some observing.

Oh yeah, it is indeed possible they've been silently lurking, observing the forum, or perhaps it's their children or other family members who've got the passwords. If the former, unfortunately, them just logging in and not responding for years probably means there's no more discussion worth chiming in. But I guess it's good enough that after at least a decade, they still haven't really left the forum. Perhaps there's still a reason left to drop by every now and then.

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Quote from: Darker45 on December 28, 2022, 09:18:14 PM

Quote from: 1miau on December 28, 2022, 08:20:12 PM

Most likely, we are still early but all members which have been active, while Satoshi was still active here, have been really early. Cheesy

Quote from: Darker45 on December 28, 2022, 09:18:14 PM

They've probably changed hands already.

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Bitcointalk is legendary, Bitcointalk is not like any other bitcoin and cryptocurrency forum out there, it is also like a Bitcoin museum, a factory where we can find all the Dots and Ts that came together to give birth to Bitcoin.
The fact that we can read Satoshi's posts here first hand is an amazing feeling, if bitcointalk was an NFT platform where posts and comments are sold as NFTs, Satoshi's posts and comments would be selling for millions in dollar right now as it would have been the rarest.
And not just Satoshi, even other notable dignitaries/pioneers, like Hal Finney^RIP, who contributed massively to the launch of success of bitcoin, all their posts can be read here, Bitcointalk is Bitcoin's history book.

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Yes, I am familiar with Satoshi's account and posts. Read many of his posts to learn more about him and Bitcoin. So he was definitely brilliant; no one can compare to him. Regarding the Bitcoin Whitepaper, I read it a long time ago. I'm not sure if I read it fully, but I did. It sparked my curiosity. Though his posts were merged from another forum to this one, they are genuine and were posted by him. We are fortunate to have read his posts, which he wrote himself.

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haha @Pmalek indeed. There's no legacy on this forum, merely legacy to be preserved by this forum.

Think one of the first things I wanted to find out when I got in was to see if someone's screen showed the same things mine did because I was convinced I was doing something wrong and mildly panicked. I can't remember where I first saw something like this, but I would have also liked more visual posts of what their screens might have looked like running the first versions of client or old GUIs. It was a pretty dumb thing to want, but hey.

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

Two questions:
1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?
2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

I feel very special to have read Satoshi's post on this forum; it has piqued my interest in this forum more than ever before.

I read the white paper several times, but I believe it is too complicated for beginners to learn from. There are more resources online where you can learn the fundamentals of Blockchain and Bitcoin.

Very easy to learn from

https://learnmeabitcoin.com

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Quote from: coupable on December 28, 2022, 04:20:18 PM

2- When I thought in 2015 about translating the protocol into my local language, I downloaded the protocol and viewed it in full to see if I could work on translating it. Honestly, I could not understand all the details as easily as I previously imagined, especially since I do not have any technical background. I don't think I would have needed to see it if it weren't for that occasion.

If by "protocol" you mean the bitcoin whitepaper, you should know that it is already translated to a lot of different languages. You can find them all on bitcoin.org website here: https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper
But in any case, reading this paper is not needed for people wanting to understand Bitcoin protocol in this day and age since there are lots of resources out there that have simplified it.

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Quote from: NotATether on December 28, 2022, 03:57:08 PM

I just find it odd that there is no direct link on the forum page that takes you to their copy of the Bitcoin whitepaper. It wouldn't take too much effort to place a link at the bottom of the page (@PowerGlove where are you? Tongue

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In my opinion — probably because it's unnecessary clutter and someone could easily Google it when wanted to. Not to mention that most technically-illiterate people are mostly better off reading articles than a whitepaper.

^Not totally against it though. Just unnecessary.

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I don't want to be a fuddy-duddy, but satoshi never posted on the forum we use today and is called Bitcointalk.org.
The original forum was hosted on sourceforge.net. That's where satoshi posted. After a while it migrated to forum.bitcoin.org, which was also created by satoshi, I believe.

Satoshi was last active in 2010. On August 01, 2011, theymos announced that the forum is moving from forum.bitcoin.org to bitcointalk.org. This migration happened after satoshi already disappeared.

Quote from: theymos on August 01, 2011, 02:07:34 AM

At the request of Sirius, who owns bitcoin.org and the server this forum is hosted on, I have moved forum.bitcoin.org to bitcointalk.org. This is the final result of a long email discussion among many developers, exchange operators, etc. I have always been opposed to the move, but Sirius wanted to act according to consensus.

The forum was the only thing on bitcoin.org except for a few static pages, so I don't feel like we've lost too much by separating from it.

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

Two questions:
1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?
2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

Thanks for the reminder K!

Yes I was aware of the fact that Satoshi had created the forum and had posted here, I had
forgot though that the profile number was 3.

I am hosting the White paper on my website along with the Bitcoin node software,
(which I have to update)

Quote from: NotATether on December 28, 2022, 03:57:08 PM

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...and a link to Satoshi's profile, so with two clicks anyone can get to the posts list.

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

Two questions:
1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?
2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

It's true OP, it fascinates me too to know that history was made here and that you can still read the posts of the mysterious Satoshi, a question I sometimes ask myself is: but is there another forum as exciting as bitcoin talk? In any case of course I was familiar with the forum and was aware of Satoshi posting here and no doubt read the whitepaper several times.

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Quote from: 1miau on December 28, 2022, 08:20:12 PM

Most likely, we are still early but all members which have been active, while Satoshi was still active here, have been really early. Cheesy

Those are indeed the OGs. And with almost all of them gone, it is definitely an honor of the forum, and to everybody else who's still here, to still have them around until now despite the obvious decadence in discussions.

It seems it's only theymos who's remained active, though. BitcoinFX, the first user to have responded to Satoshi's first post, although last logged in just a couple of months ago, hadn't made a post for several months already. On a side note, it is interesting that it took more than 2 months before Satoshi's welcome post, his/her/their first post, had a reply. BitcoinFX did it.

I took a quick look at the earliest users, at least the first 50 of them, and it seems nobody is here joining discussions anymore. But it's interesting to note that a number of them have made their last log in just months or a year or two ago, even days ago in the case of DannyM, despite them making their last post many years prior. They've probably changed hands already.

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It's quite excitig to know that Satoshi, who invented Bitcoin, has posted here as well even that's been a while ago. Cheesy

I beleive most members know about Satoshi's Account but it wouldn't hurt to bring up the topic or discussing early Bitcoin(talk) history in general.
Bitcointalk is an important part of Bitcoin's history because many activities of the early days have taken place on Bitcointalk. It's not only Satoshi's Bitcointalk Account but also topics like Bitcoin Pizza, for example.
Some years ago, xtraelv made a good compilation: The most iconic bitcointalk threads. History on Bitcointalk.

Most likely, we are still early but all members which have been active, while Satoshi was still active here, have been really early. Cheesy

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

Two questions:
1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?
2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

1- In fact, it never occurred to me that this might be necessary. I am sure that the majority of users did not care to see Satoshi's posts except casually when one of the quotes refers to it. Each of us has found a way to deal with Bitcoin without having to look at the various details.
2- When I thought in 2015 about translating the protocol into my local language, I downloaded the protocol and viewed it in full to see if I could work on translating it. Honestly, I could not understand all the details as easily as I previously imagined, especially since I do not have any technical background. I don't think I would have needed to see it if it weren't for that occasion.

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Quote from: Kryptowerk on December 28, 2022, 03:39:26 PM

1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?

I'm aware of this, but I've yet to fully sit calmly to read and understand one of his posts, despite the fact that I've come across some through links posted by other users that redirected to his posts.

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2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

I've never looked into it in depth, but I'd like to one day. I've learned a lot about bitcoin and have a good understanding of it; perhaps the white paper will broaden my understanding about it even more.

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For the OGs and some more experienced Bitcointalk users this is nothing new.

However, for all the hundret-thousands of newer accounts it may be suprising to know that you can still read all posts made by the real Satoshi him/herself.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satoshi-3

Profile ID #3 it is. #1 was used for admin stuff only, #2 does not exist

For me it was still a nice revelation to fully understand that this forum was created by the Legend. The person that changed modern history more than 14 years ago by publishing the Bitcoin whitepaper (for reference see: https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-paper). A strange thought to be in a slightly abstract way so close to the source of it all.
Even more amazing is the fact everyone can read his/her first thoughts and comments on the early implementations of Bitcoin right here.
In a sense every forum member (currently over 3.5 million!) is part of crypto / Bitcoin history. Congrats.

Two questions:
1. Were you aware of this simple fact? - If yes, have you ever read a Satoshi post before?
2. Did you ever take a look at the Bitcoin whitepaper? - If not, will you do so now?

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