Topic: Satoshi would not like the current state of this forum (Read 463 times)

I completely agree with you.100%


and this is where other members intervene to take advantage of this system and satisfy their own ego at the expense of other members.

Why?

It is pretty clear 1 of 4 things happened or are the way Satoshi wants it.

1) Created bitcoin and is now allowing it to find it's own path without interference. Anything Satoshi would say would essentially lead to tainting others opinions.
2) Has an alt account and likes to read/monitor/study the evolution of their creation
3) Is dead, I hate to say it but shit happens all the time
4) Had an accident and doesn't remember who they are/coma.

Maybe their are others, plus who wants to show up and deal with a million PM's about how to bitcoin/how to earn with bitcoin/should i invest....blah blah blah

Satoshi doesnt owe the forum a visit nor would his view on the forum change anything.  How would his "dropping in" lead to more important discussions?

Satoshi should atleast show up in this forum once in a while and let us know his opinions on the present state of Bitcoin and the Forum.
That will save us a lot of speculative posts about him and provide space for more important discussions.

Great post! To be fair couldn't imagine your post here...
Satoshi wouldn't like posting in so large community and I bet his real aim wouldn't be bitcoin's and cryptocurrencies so massive use (this coin isn't intended for that to be fair).
You say you should do what is correct but 90% of people don't have their choice/person, they want to act and do things like their idol.

That's amusing to me, because I've seen people try it--and it's failed miserably, with users only going to these new forums because they're being paid to do so.  And, I hate to say it but signature campaigns are a huge motivating force for a lot of people to post here.  It can be done right, as evidenced by the handful of usually high-ranked members who engage in them and still somehow manage to write things worth reading.  Sometimes even things of brilliance.  It just appears that a certain class of users here are lazy and ignorant and are here for all the wrong reasons, as if bitcointalk owes them a writing career.

I've read posts from the early days of bitcointalk, and doing so is instructive.  People then really did care about bitcoin and the discussion thereof.  And man, there were some excellent posters back then who've seemingly abandoned their accounts--probably because bitcointalk became a cesspool of shitposting.  Or they got very wealthy and suddenly found better things to do than spend time with the plebians *lol*. 

Sig campaigns were here when I started lurking in 2014 and bct had already gotten really bad by that point.  Not quite as bad as the present day, but close.  There weren't all the account farmers, I don't think, but that was an emerging problem.  I'd like to see this forum not become one that the shitposters have taken full control over.  I'm hoping the merit system evolves to have a more profound effect than it's currently having.  We'll see.

It's such a shame to know that a Sr. Member which is much older/higher than our ranks doesn't know much about Satoshi Nakamoto, I didn't know how he got into this forum, without even searching for the creator of bitcoin or the guy who sold 10,000 BTC for two pizzas.

I bet he never knew about the creators of LTC, ETH and other cryptos have been here too.

What more rules are you talking about? If it's about the merit system, it's maybe unfair to low ranks like us, but it's how they could track the signature bounty abusers.

Honestly, it was ironic that only few weeks left before my rank up, the merit system was implemented. It shattered my hope to tell my grandkids that I was a member of this forum with high rank, in case they will ask me about cryptocurencies.

In the time when Satoshi was still active on the boards, nearly every single person on the board was some sort of math or tech guru.  There were no endless threads about completely worthless altcoins and ICOs.  The vast majority of replies being made had substance and meaning.  A level of quality the forums were sadly growing largely devoid of until the new, stricter measures were implemented.  If there were no rules, this place would become unreadable and most people with any sense would abandon it.  Things are starting to improve now, so you may as well get used to it.  Things have to adapt as times change.


Also, if you think you can do better, you're welcome to start your own forums with as many or few rules as you please.

My nigga!

Being veteran members don't equal to have deeply knowledge about the forum (its founders, its operational structures, its chronological history, and so on.)
It is also the same as now we can witness lots of Senior, Hero and sometimes Ledgendary members usually posting shits (one-lined, non-sense threads). It is due to the fact that those ones ranked up easily with loose old ranking system (the ranking system without merit requirements). I found some of them by chance via their shitty threads, then I spent time to look at their post-history, completely shitshow.
By the way, thank you very much for launching merit system, Theymos.
Now, I know that the forum was co-founded by Satoshi and Sirius. One more interesting thing I learned from bitcointalk forum as usual.

Me too. I don't prefer to spend my time to look at shitty threads in the forum. To be honest, before the launch of merit system, I was shit-poster (hate to say this, but that what I was). Due to merit system's amazing impacts, I changed myself to become better member of the forum. Write to contribute, not write to show my shits.

Satoshi wouldn't be posting here at all because it is protected by Cloudflare! 

He would also not been happy with:

1) Members creating multiple profiles here to spam the forum, promote shit coins and bump own threads.

2) Account farming in order to participate in multiple signature campaigns.

3) New members accusing senior members and staff.

Also, the forum will always work as per the rules set by the current owner.

Shit I didn't know that, Sirius with the domain and satoshi with U3.. as they say assumption is the mother of all fuck ups..

I'm surprised that some veteran members don't know that the forum was founded by Satoshi.

Maybe he wouldn't want to post here nowadays, since the signal-to-noise ratio is too low. But he also wouldn't have liked posting on a forum with oppressive moderation, which would be necessary to make the forum something like how it was in the early days. I think that Satoshi just wouldn't have liked using any large forum.

Whether Satoshi would agree with current forum policies is another matter. You can agree that a policy is correct without necessarily liking the end result. The existing forum policies are pretty natural extensions of the policies under the administration of Satoshi and Sirius, intended to maximize freedom while still keeping the forum usable. Though if he disagreed, he'd probably say that there is too much freedom and not enough usability.

And while it may be interesting to speculate, Satoshi's approval is not required. You should do what is correct, as far as you can tell, not what you think some person (who is really just an abstract idea to most people rather than a real person) would want you to do.

Satoshi Nakamoto is a founder of BitcoinTalk forum:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/satoshi-3

As far as I know, the first forum concerned to Bitcoin was on the SourceForge. Afterwards the current forum powered by SMF was founded by "satoshi" and "Sirius" here.

I don't know about the opinion of Satoshi Nakamoto, but I mostly adopt the merit system deployed on the forum. BitcoinTalk was saved from being full of a lot of very high rank users.

How can you say the fourm wasn't made by satoshi? What is his account ID again? If he did not make it, how was he able to give theymos then.

Who was it that posted the first thread on this fourm? What about sending the first private message?

Treating people fairly doesn't mean treating them all the same way under all circumstances.  That should be obvious, but think about it and also consider if anyone actually does treat all people equally.  And if that's even desirable.

There's nothing wrong if this forum has so many rules because that's the thing that makes this place peaceful and organized. If you don't like to follow the rules here then the door of this forum is open for you to leave.
Really? Satoshi became a member here?! I'm sorry to for contradicting you but I don't think Satoshi never become a member here (based on my experience here in the forum). I was able to say that because I never heard a news or read a thread discussing about satoshi's stay here from the very start that i created my account here 'til now.

Merit or no merit, I don't think Satoshi is really bothered about the forum, I believe he might have handled the forum and it well being to Theymos before disappering into this air. Satoshi major interest might be on how to improve bitcoin in other to be compatible with more modern technology. But still yet I doubt if Satoshi will resurface again if he do many people will hunt him down to know his identity.

Why a shitposter posting like a beggar to get money from bounties, be treated like someone really interested in the technology, who is contributing to discussions, helping others?
Makes no sense. If there were only spammers and shitposters here, nobody would use the forum and there would be no bounties for them lol

What are you looking for?
People get help in mining, both - bitcoin and altcoin, they also get help in technical discussion. On another hand bitcoin discussion, trading discussion and some other sections are 90% full of spam. It's logical in any way, why will people post like philosophers here? It would be boring too.
And how do you know if satoshi likes or dislikes current situation? He is in shadow, he achieved his aim and is smartest because of this decision.
I get help in what I want + read some interesting news here so don't care much if some people spam in useless topics, I try to report them sometimes.

Wrong again as usual, which is impressive since OP never claimed satoshi made the forum.  The BitcoinTalk Founder is satoshi and utilizes the Simple Machines Forum software.

The domain name is owned by sirius who has stated publicly that he helped satoshi with setting up the Bitcointalk forums.

What does Satoshi have to do with the forum?

I certainly hope Satoshi has something better to do with his time...

And in addition, I'd say that the person/people who own the forum right now apparently don't give a shit about how bad it is from a quality perspective, nor about who has "power" here.  In fact, the admin is responsible for putting the trust system into place, so this is how it's working out.

I don't know about censorship, though.  You can pretty much say what you want to say here, and that's one of the reasons why I was drawn to bitcointalk in the first place.  There aren't many discussion forums where you have to watch your language or care who's feelings get hurt by something you write.  I know it's in the rules that you're not supposed to use profanity, but that's never enforced--and I don't think it should even be a rule.  I rather enjoy the free-for-all nature of discussions here, which usually don't have the mods stepping in to censor or lock threads when it gets heated.  That's a plus in my eyes.

I agree with this statement. This is how people should be treated.

I am not so sure how much weight I would give the rest of your post.

You are not Satoshi and Satoshi is not you, so dont assume things. Contrary to the decentralized system (bitcoin) Satoshi made, this forum is a centralized forum which is owned by someone or some people, so the owner has all the rights to apply other system or rules here, and you can not apply the rules of decentralization in here. Merit is here to make this forum better from the people who are just whining like you and too lazy to contribute to the forum, even as little as making a high quality post.

These words that can I advise you mate if you are worried not getting merit here. I admitted my self here now, that was on my mind too before but I am enlightened now instead of making rebellion post that against to this forum just try to motivate your self and contribute a good post to this forum and don't mind about merit, later on, you will now that your post was merited someone who likes.
Just keep on posting and let's help forum not by spam or having shitposting, I know you can do that.

Do you have proof of this? Can we see picture of his tombstone? For all we know, Mr. Satoshi or the group called Satoshi might prefer to remain anonymous!

The rules and censorships are necessary to inject some sanity into the forum after it was being run over by account farmers, spammers and shitposting. The rules might not be totally favourable to everyone but one has to learn to live with them especially if you care for bitcointalk as a forum.

As for the bullying from high ranks, I can't speak much on that as it seems more like a subjective opinion based on the perspective one decides to see it.

This forum (now) has got everything to be liked by anyone, including Satoshi.
No one can bully you if you don't let them to, but you cannot blame them if you do so. So, everyone is treated very fairly as long as they are in the line. The moment someone puts his steps outside the line, he is bullied (as that's what you say it) by everyone inside that line. And how can you know that Satoshi is dead not around anymore? What if like thousand others, he has an alt and visits the forum just as usually as we do, but no one knows that? Or maybe he is in contact with the admins and the ideas implemented for the betterment of the forum are proposed by him. Who knows?  

Satoshi invented the blockchain, how do you know that he didn't invent the Blockspam ( otherwise known as the merit system ) ?

This forum was NOT made by Satoshi...

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What the hell are you talking about?! Rules of the forum have nothing together with Satoshi. Yes, he is kinda one of the oldest participant of the forum, but he doesn't play any role here and did not appear for years.
Even if Satoshi would care about the forum, I think he would support new rules based on fighting with spammers and shit posters who's only wish is to make as much coins through the forum as it is possible!
Do not say a crap! I'm ready to bet that you are saying so just because of nobody send you sMerits and you simply can't rank up to earn more here.

I don't think Satoshi has time for all these. He might be busy improving the whole Bitcoin technology.

Lol! He wouldn't like it but because of the amount of spam and shitposting, not because of what you say.

Angry because you are not getting any merits?

Bitcointalk has started to add more rules , more censorship, and bullying from high ranks.  This forum is against everything satoshi believed in now.  Satoshi would be rolling in his grave at all the abuse of power going on here. I call it like I see it.

Everyone here should be treated fairly