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September 20, 2023, 12:01:34 PM
#61
I have cross-read this thread here on recommendation. Very interesting assumptions and obviously gratitude, if I may put it that way, that the person of Satoshi Nakamoto has made the world crazy with a small indiscriminate piece of code.

I am a new old member, here in this forum. I am interested in the questions that members would ask Satoshi Nakamoto if the person Satoshi Nakamoto were to answer them. I realise that it is a hypothetical challenge. There will probably never be an answer. For a long time now, I have taken a closer look at the paper that was written between 2006 and 2008.  And I found the following essay in German:

seen here: BA-PP Bonn, Bonner Perspektiven, Ausgabe 2019 "Zukunft", The cooperation advantage, Marc Elsberg, Page 5

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THE HAPPINESS OF OTHERS

Now, one could say: for married couples this is a possibility, but otherwise, for example for business people, or even whole societies, not. Sharing with others is nice, solidary, altruistic, charitable - we have different words for it. But we have learned: in order to give something to someone, you have to take it away from someone else. Generally, we then talk about "redistribution".

Life - a zero-sum game.

Economists speak of equilibrium, balance. So why should one do this? Out of pure "humanity"? Or, even more irritating: Why do people do it again and again, although it brings nothing (except perhaps a good conscience)? Why do people act so "irrationally" (at least if one takes the neoclassical economic models as a basis)?
Out of mysterious principles, as already one of the fathers of economics, Adam Smith, stated?

"However selfish man may be, there are evidently some principles in his nature which interest him in the happiness of others, and render their happiness necessary to him, though he derives nothing from it except the pleasure of seeing it."
Adam Smith, Theory of Ethical Sentiments (1759)

Perhaps people intuitively know something that economics has just not been able (or willing) to cast into a mathematical model or formula and therefore repeatedly arrives at seriously wrong interpretations and assessments of reality. Perhaps "the happiness of others" is necessary for people for a reason other than "ethical feelings"? Because they get more out of it than just "the pleasure of seeing it"?

I am sure that Satoshi Nakamoto would have had something to say about these ideas.

The start of my thread for the answers can be found here:

Questions for Satoshi Nakamoto
legendary
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bitcoindata.science
September 06, 2023, 07:55:56 AM
#60
I have translated this to my local board, in portugese.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62803321

I hope this inspires more people in portuguese speakers countries.
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Nothing lasts forever
July 02, 2020, 09:48:13 AM
#59
Wow Theymos. Usually I don't read long posts but since it was from you I started reading it and once I started reading it I don't know how but I continued it till the end and to be honest it felt really great reading the post. Satoshi's vision and his efforts of making it into a reality truly inspires many people.

Yes it is our responsibility to make the bitcoin ecosystem better but things are not really going that way.
Most of the people take bitcoin as an asset and trade it for speculative purpose. While it is one of the way bitcoin can be used, they don't acknowledge the real purpose of bitcoin.

Even if there's a store to buy a particular thing with bitcoin, people still prefer to exchange bitcoin for fiat and buy the same thing with fiat money. This is the change that we have to bring by encouraging people to use bitcoin directly as a payment rather than to exchange it for fiat and then make the payment.
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July 02, 2020, 08:40:16 AM
#58
This is so inspiring, Sir Theymos. And I thank you for posting this epistle here. I admit there were lot of times that all my efforts working here in cryptoworld seemed thrown away and I got failed often-thinking that giving up is the best move to do. But then, I realized that Just like Satoshi, I need to be more dedicated and work much harder to get what I am aiming for here. Its not that easy from the start, to obtain perfection at work and earn more profits, but I believe that with constant research and eagerness to learn the different aspects of Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency, we'll be able to meet the people's expectation. I am just a very simple person here, which only wishes just a Candy, but if Bitcoin will give me a Cake for life...I would be more glad and much willing to take it. And much more excited then, aiming for the stars 💜😊
jr. member
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July 02, 2020, 12:10:16 AM
#57
The foundations of Bitcoin were set in stone 10 years ago today with the creation of the genesis block, and Bitcoin version 0.1 was officially released a week later. Version 0.1 was amazingly complete, and even more impressively, it had very few bugs. It also had great forward-compatibility, with explicit support for future softforks in the form of the OP_NOPn opcodes. Before anyone knew how a decentralized cryptocurrency would even work, Satoshi was figuring out how to add to Bitcoin things like smart contracts and payment channels. This is incredible, and a lot of people look at Satoshi's amazing accomplishments with Bitcoin and say stuff like, "Satoshi must be a crypto super-genius, the next Einstein." This, I think, is very much missing the point.

When Satoshi was working on Bitcoin in 2007-2009, almost all of the core ideas of Bitcoin were well-known in the cryptography community. In 1996, a summary of previous academic work on electronic cash was published, talking at length about most of the low-level cryptographic primitives used in Bitcoin and using familiar terms like "double spending". Hashcash proof-of-work was well-known, and I remember reading about it prior to Bitcoin as an idea to prevent email spam. git uses the same unbreakable chain of hashes as Bitcoin's block chain, and was first released in 2005. Satoshi made one major leap: combining all these pieces to prevent double spending through a PoW block chain. This was impressive, but the same flash of brilliance could've happened to anyone who was following this stuff.

Satoshi is not awesome because he was watching the crypto world and had a brilliant idea. He's awesome because upon having this idea, he carried it out. You know what I would've done if this idea had come to me? I probably would've mentioned it to a few people, maybe written some very basic code if I was feeling especially ambitious. You know what Satoshi did? He spent 2+ years contemplating every possible aspect of the system he could think of, and wrote code that worked brilliantly in the real world. Satoshi's code was good, but anyone who had read a good C++ book could've written similarly-good code. Anyone who had taken an intro crypto course or read a few books on the subject would understand Satoshi's usage of crypto primitives. The task of creating Bitcoin required a small flash of brilliance, moderate skill, and an unbelievably huge amount of dedication to thinking about, coding, and testing the system until it worked exactly as envisioned.

Satoshi's lesson is that you don't need to be the next Einstein in order to change the world. Nor do you need to have much money, or influence with the world's "movers & shakers". You just need to put in the effort. Satoshi, probably just an ordinary hobbyist like anyone here, saw that something was lacking in the Universe, and he fought tooth-and-nail for 2+ years until this imperfection was corrected. This is what makes Satoshi and his work my greatest inspiration.

Bitcoin has come a long way in 10 years, but it still has much more room to grow, with both major challenges and major opportunities ahead. How Bitcoin moves forward - how Satoshi's work continues - is for as many people as possible to take personal responsbility for improving the Bitcoin ecosystem, creating interesting things, and changing the world for the better. Since we've long passed the moon, I hope you'll join me in aiming for the stars.
Going to appreciate you theymos, I have read many of the articles about Bitcoin and also got a lot information and here you added more things which are really good and new for me. And I think this post is shareable and I will share it with my friends too.
legendary
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July 01, 2020, 01:58:25 PM
#56
Of course, no question! Evidences lead to Satoshi only exist in relation to Bitcoin.
But honestly, such a person will not disappear into a lonely cave somewhere, smoke a cigar and think: Hopefully nobody will find me!

Yey, it is possible for me, that he might be have supported other projects under another pseudonym, or maybe even still does...
It's just a hypothetical question that I have asked myself here. I am of course fully aware of that Satoshi would be pretty stupid if he could be connected to other projects without a doubt.
I hope from heart that will never happen, that he will be exposed, but he not want it by himself.

What I want to say with this: It is completely human to think about such a myth and the person behind it...
It has little to do with evidence, that is rather irrelevant for me here...

I suppose that I am not disagreeing with anything that you are saying, and probably there has built some unnecessary sensitivity in the subject from seeing how "satoshi's" name has been employed in the years following his disappearance from bitcoin.

Surely Satoshi remains a great backstory for bitcoin, and surely there are not too many prominent examples of a person (or entity) to have been able to contribute so much foundation to such seemingly paradigm shifting project in its early days and to maintain so much mystery regarding what happened to him and to the extent he still might be working in our midst under another pseudonym or even under his real identity.. whether in bitcoin or some other project.. and sure there are actual possibilities that he might have been at or near the end of his life, too.... but still an ongoingly great story.. that is likely not going to stop in terms of either the ongoing speculation or even some ways that the name or the concept is going to continue to be used in marketing or media.
legendary
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αLPʜα αɴd ΩMeGa
July 01, 2020, 01:43:45 PM
#55
Of course, no question! Evidences lead to Satoshi only exist in relation to Bitcoin.
But honestly, such a person will not disappear into a lonely cave somewhere, smoke a cigar and think: Hopefully nobody will find me!

Yey, it is possible for me, that he might be have supported other projects under another pseudonym, or maybe even still does...
It's just a hypothetical question that I have asked myself here. I am of course fully aware of that Satoshi would be pretty stupid if he could be connected to other projects without a doubt.
I hope from heart that will never happen, that he will be exposed, but he not want it by himself.

What I want to say with this: It is completely human to think about such a myth and the person behind it...
It has little to do with evidence, that is rather irrelevant for me here...
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
July 01, 2020, 12:48:45 PM
#54
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Sorry, for bump up your thread again. I hope that's okay.

I like what you're saying. Of course, Satoshi is no god, i agree!
But he is the one and the first one who had made usable a lot of considerations around of cryptographic money for the layman.

As you say yourself, it is of course no witchcraft, what Satoshi has accomplished.
But he was the first to make this idea really useful!
It is the result of the dedication passion and time he has put into this topic.
For me, he ist a genius guy already for this.

I think Satoshi was more of an academic than a professional developer.
Definitely someone who had a lot of knowledge about cryptography because of the choice of the elliptic curve, and he was able to create things like Base 58 and the like.
Clearly, this is a person who had an education in computer science.
The academic-looking C++ code was a good sign of someone who was trained to know how to programming, but was not a professional.
A professional would have done a more structured job, i think!

With healthy ambition and a certain amount of technical understanding, anyone can do these kind of projects!
Especially in times of the Internet and many good books, where the way to self-learning of topics that really interests you, is made extremely easy for virtually EVERYONE!
You just need to kick in your own ass! Cheesy
This is also demonstrated by the one or other innovative blockchain project outside of BTCitcoin... not many, but a few!

Whether he was involved in any of these projects...? This was also the subject of an interesting newspaper article I read in the back days. Unfortunately, I can't find him anymore...


For all intents and purposes, it seems that there would be no reason to attribute any side-projects to satoshi (especially those after bitcoin), unless he specifically proclaimed that he was contributing to such project - which has not happened to my knowledge.  

I do not recall coming across any article or write up proclaiming evidence of any post bitcoin satoshi work (not that I would proclaim myself as any kind of scholar in such), which you may gather from my comment already, that I would be quite skeptical about such.. since we have seen how "satoshi" has been used to pump various other projects and even take sides in bitcoin debates... which probably in the end, cannot really stop those kinds of ideological battles from stopping or people from doing what they are going to do, whether it seems to be contributing to actual bitcoin or some other side sometimes scam project.
legendary
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αLPʜα αɴd ΩMeGa
July 01, 2020, 05:06:09 AM
#53
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Sorry, for bump up your thread again. I hope that's okay.

I like what you're saying. Of course, Satoshi is no god, i agree!
But he is the one and the first one who had made usable a lot of considerations around of cryptographic money for the layman.

As you say yourself, it is of course no witchcraft, what Satoshi has accomplished.
But he was the first to make this idea really useful!
It is the result of the dedication passion and time he has put into this topic.
For me, he ist a genius guy already for this.

I think Satoshi was more of an academic than a professional developer.
Definitely someone who had a lot of knowledge about cryptography because of the choice of the elliptic curve, and he was able to create things like Base 58 and the like.
Clearly, this is a person who had an education in computer science.
The academic-looking C++ code was a good sign of someone who was trained to know how to programming, but was not a professional.
A professional would have done a more structured job, i think!

With healthy ambition and a certain amount of technical understanding, anyone can do these kind of projects!
Especially in times of the Internet and many good books, where the way to self-learning of topics that really interests you, is made extremely easy for virtually EVERYONE!
You just need to kick in your own ass! Cheesy
This is also demonstrated by the one or other innovative blockchain project outside of BTCitcoin... not many, but a few!

Whether he was involved in any of these projects...? This was also the subject of an interesting newspaper article I read in the back days. Unfortunately, I can't find him anymore...
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November 02, 2019, 03:15:33 PM
#52
at my opinion, the main virtue of Mr. Satoshi is not to create something amazing, but to have the willpower to abandon his creation and disappear leaving behind a new industry and billions of unspent dollars in the account
That world abandon is quite a very strong one, because satoshi completed his work before leaving, he never left any job uncompleted, it is only when he leaves the job uncompleted that we would have said he abandon it, and for the fact that he did not show his face, really would not mean that he has abandon the project.

He only disappeared because he knows that what he created would shake the government a little and the first thing they might be doing is to actually start looking for him, to either modify the technology to their own favor, or forces him to do something to reverse the cryptocurrency usage. I have learnt too much lessons from him, which we need to take the thinks of people more important than our selfish interest.
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the revolution must be tokenized
October 30, 2019, 03:01:19 PM
#51
at my opinion, the main virtue of Mr. Satoshi is not to create something amazing, but to have the willpower to abandon his creation and disappear leaving behind a new industry and billions of unspent dollars in the account
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July 15, 2019, 11:05:50 AM
#50
When the idea of Bitcoins would have first came to Satoshi Nakamato then people would have for sure given it a very weird look ..
Some currency dependent upon nothing but the investors would have surely raised eyes.
But no matter who said what he still insisted on making it and believed in it , this actually can inspire us to do things that we are afraid to do .
He brought such a revolutionary change into this world that millions are engaging in Bitcoins and at the same time 1000's of cryptocurrencies are being added...

That's right, Satoshi brought something completely new and incredible to our world. I am eternally grateful to him for that

complete bullshit you know why?Huh its not new tech and was already exist and its team not one person ,

Not to mention the paper that closely resembles an outline of Bitcoin having been written up in 1996 by the NSA. https://archive.org/details/CryptographyOfAnonymousElectronicCash

IN ICO phase one of the recommendations was to make sure the team was well known before buying, as an anonymous team would indicate suspicion. Yet somehow Satoshi team escaped this suspicion even though nobody knows who they are.

you so fucking uneducated its unbelievable
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July 14, 2019, 12:37:45 PM
#49
When the idea of Bitcoins would have first came to Satoshi Nakamato then people would have for sure given it a very weird look ..
Some currency dependent upon nothing but the investors would have surely raised eyes.
But no matter who said what he still insisted on making it and believed in it , this actually can inspire us to do things that we are afraid to do .
He brought such a revolutionary change into this world that millions are engaging in Bitcoins and at the same time 1000's of cryptocurrencies are being added...
jr. member
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July 14, 2019, 10:41:25 AM
#48

It may have been that Satoshi was sufficiently economically astute to see the shit en route to the fan before it actually hit.  Or it may have been that Satoshi thought the banking system had some flaws in general and referenced that article in a "see, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about" kind of way.  I'd like to believe it was the former, but sadly, we may never find out for sure.


I would have to agree that it is possible that the finacial crash was indeed anticipated not necicerily by satoshi alone but by many of the ideas that came before were born out of the knowledge that the never ending of printed fiat and debt would only lead one direction, being there was no solution to this problem if the system were to go down I think was the driving force behind many of the ideas that we see in bitcoin today.

One other interesting part of the math behind bitcoin is the fact that people miss or have never even known about bitcoin is the following.

Quote "Hal Finney"

"As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and
becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world.  Then the
total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all
the wealth in the world. Current estimates of total worldwide household
wealth that I have found range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With
20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million.

So the possibility of generating coins today with a few cents of compute
time may be quite a good bet, with a payoff of something like 100 million
to 1! Even if the odds of Bitcoin succeeding to this degree are slim,
are they really 100 million to one against? Something to think about..."


From this statement it shows that indeed there was research done into the total household wealth of the world and it was calculated into the total figure for bitcoin to me this shows there was a some thought to there being a total global crisis that would effect the total household wealth of the world.




sorry to say but this kind of post its just come from whatever the hell you feel and think just output without any deep analysing and to feel smart when in reality...its even not close to the ball park  Cool

when the room if full of this kind of people its huge shit yet smart people DEBUNK THE*M FAST , the same with the web which dominated by scams and other shit information and come from people with fake credibility...which are far away from the truth and dont know trace simple things not taking about complex operation like wiki leaks and bitcoin and other great underground projects.
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Not to mention the paper that closely resembles an outline of Bitcoin having been written up in 1996 by the NSA. https://archive.org/details/CryptographyOfAnonymousElectronicCash

IN ICO phase one of the recommendations was to make sure the team was well known before buying, as an anonymous team would indicate suspicion. Yet somehow Satoshi team escaped this suspicion even though nobody knows who they are.
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search on the web

Wikileaks, Peer-to-Peer and cryptography, and the literary underground : Can the freedom of speech be absolute?
by -- Takushi OTANI
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someone else said this try to trace who behind this statement:

WikiLeaks is a website that publishes secret documents revealing the misconduct of governments and corporations. In its first year, WikiLeaks published more than 1.2 million secret documents. These documents revealed classified information about countries and corporations around the globe, spilling sensitive secrets about major conflicts and human rights abuses.

state-of-the-art encryption(cryptography), peer-to-peer file sharing, and the internet itself – is what makes it possible for WikiLeaks to release millions of secret documents at once.
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How cryptography and peer to peer tech is a key weapon in the fight against empire states -- Julian Assange said this.
said before bitcoin come to the world
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shitty people always try to steal great projects until smart people debunk their fake shit ass..
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Blockchain Enthusiast & AI Enthusiast
January 10, 2019, 09:20:33 AM
#47
wow, if Bitcoin has implemented a smart contract and payment channels in it, this will be very acceptable to the state. I was very much waiting for this and welcomed his arrival.

I think there are advantages to Smart Contract like this:
1. Increasing Bitcoin in the most important use of the Financial and Artificial Intelligence industry. Of course other industries will be very good.
2. Increasing the user's trust in companies that implement Smart Contract on Bitcoin.
3. Make it easier for companies to create agreements and get profits at fee low costs.

Even so, I also have a suggestion for Bitcoin so that in the future it so better which is to multiply the Decimals on Bitcoin if it has soared to a higher price per Bitcoin unit. Just like that Smiley
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January 09, 2019, 04:08:09 AM
#46
Satoshi's lesson is that you don't need to be the next Einstein in order to change the world. Nor do you need to have much money, or influence with the world's "movers & shakers". You just need to put in the effort. Satoshi, probably just an ordinary hobbyist like anyone here, saw that something was lacking in the Universe, and he fought tooth-and-nail for 2+ years until this imperfection was corrected. This is what makes Satoshi and his work my greatest inspiration.

Bitcoin has come a long way in 10 years, but it still has much more room to grow, with both major challenges and major opportunities ahead. How Bitcoin moves forward - how Satoshi's work continues - is for as many people as possible to take personal responsbility for improving the Bitcoin ecosystem, creating interesting things, and changing the world for the better. Since we've long passed the moon, I hope you'll join me in aiming for the stars.

yes, it seems that the thing that inspired Satoshi at that moment was not the big profit or money. He only wants to make a new innovation for himself that if it can be useful for the average person, unfortunately at this time in its development, the technology and thoughts are used by irresponsible people. In the name of blockchain and crypto as shields, making crypto-related names become a negative stigma by most people.

After the incident that made the crypto atmosphere worse last year, hopefully it can be the last thing crypto can give to us. Hopefully.
jr. member
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January 09, 2019, 02:35:22 AM
#45
Loved it, owned it but with respect and credits.

Satoshi may be MIA but let us not stop with that. Every human being have that room for improvement. I never stopped thinking about that.

Satoshi, thank you. Love reading over and over all of his posts here even though I dont understand some of it when they are getting deeper. Grin
I'm glad to see people here do not buy into Craig Wright's claim to be Satoshi.  I just can't see the real Satoshi being a total dick during the Transform Africa Summit 2018.  FAKE SATOSHI Craig Wright, "I have more money that your country"

I suspect GameKyuubi is secretly Satoshi Grin

Keep aiming for the stars GameKyuubi, and bring your bottle of Whisky with you.
Klaatu, Barada, NnnnnnNnnNek..tie? You HODLing Bruce Campbell looking son of a bitch.

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January 09, 2019, 01:50:33 AM
#44
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You made a typo.
Hal Finney, not 'Hal Finny'
Please fix contents inside your post.
The guy mentioned is one of the most respected ones in crypto world, and one of people who entirely changed the human society.


I discovered amazing thing myself.
Firstly, I tried using the signature given there:
Code:
[center]SATOSHI NAKAMOTO《 ▬▬▬▬▬  BITCOIN  ▬▬▬▬▬  》 JANUARY 3,2009 》
https://bitcoin.org/en[/center]]
This one looks not too good after wearing, and not as same as others who already worn it.

Then, I tried again using the signature designed for Full Member rank available there:
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If people are not part of any signature campaigns, here are some signatures designed by me for celebrating the 10th Birthday.  Cheesy

Quote
Full Member



Code:
[center][url=https://bitcoin.org/en/][b]《[/b][color=#EBB523][size=9pt][font=arial black]SATOSHI NAKAMOTO[/font][/size][/color] [color=#f69212]《[/color] [font=arial black] [color=#f69212]▬▬▬▬▬   [/color][color=#f69212]BITCOIN   [/color][color=#f69212]▬▬▬▬▬ [/color][/font][color=#f69212]》[/color][font=arial black][color=#EBB523] JANUARY 3,2009 [/color][/font][b]》[/b]
[font=arial black][color=#EB9423]A Peer-to-Peer[/color][color=#f69212] Electronic Cash System[/color][/font][/url]
[font=arial][b][url=https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf]Whitepaper[/url]  [color=#f69212]《[/color]  [url=https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/]Coinmarketcap[/url]  ●  [url=https://github.com/bitcoin/]Github[/url][color=#f69212]   》[/color]  [url=https://bitcointalk.org/]Forum[/url][/b][/font][/center]
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It works fine for me.
Before wearing it, I imagined that I have to delete [color ....... etc. in order to have appropriate redesigned signature for myself.
In fact, I don't have to do it.
legendary
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January 07, 2019, 05:18:56 PM
#43
I was drinking a coffee while reading this thread and I enjoy the moment as you can't imagine. It reminds me when i decide to code a casino, my only coding skills were bash scrips, but the important thing is that i had the intention to do it, that's all that matter because the human is stubborn by nature. As you say, we don't need to be Einstein, we need to have an idea clear, find the road and start walking. That's all.

Thank's for this Satoshi's lesson, i just send you my last merit and it worth it! i wish you a happy new year theymos and let's grow the forum this year.  Cheesy
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January 07, 2019, 09:55:18 AM
#42
Loved it, owned it but with respect and credits.

Satoshi may be MIA but let us not stop with that. Every human being have that room for improvement. I never stopped thinking about that.

Satoshi, thank you. Love reading over and over all of his posts here even though I dont understand some of it when they are getting deeper. Grin
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OGRaccoon
January 07, 2019, 08:06:58 AM
#41

It may have been that Satoshi was sufficiently economically astute to see the shit en route to the fan before it actually hit.  Or it may have been that Satoshi thought the banking system had some flaws in general and referenced that article in a "see, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about" kind of way.  I'd like to believe it was the former, but sadly, we may never find out for sure.


I would have to agree that it is possible that the finacial crash was indeed anticipated not necicerily by satoshi alone but by many of the ideas that came before were born out of the knowledge that the never ending of printed fiat and debt would only lead one direction, being there was no solution to this problem if the system were to go down I think was the driving force behind many of the ideas that we see in bitcoin today.

One other interesting part of the math behind bitcoin is the fact that people miss or have never even known about bitcoin is the following.

Quote "Hal Finney"

"As an amusing thought experiment, imagine that Bitcoin is successful and
becomes the dominant payment system in use throughout the world.  Then the
total value of the currency should be equal to the total value of all
the wealth in the world. Current estimates of total worldwide household
wealth that I have found range from $100 trillion to $300 trillion. With
20 million coins, that gives each coin a value of about $10 million.

So the possibility of generating coins today with a few cents of compute
time may be quite a good bet, with a payoff of something like 100 million
to 1! Even if the odds of Bitcoin succeeding to this degree are slim,
are they really 100 million to one against? Something to think about..."


From this statement it shows that indeed there was research done into the total household wealth of the world and it was calculated into the total figure for bitcoin to me this shows there was a some thought to there being a total global crisis that would effect the total household wealth of the world.

legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
January 07, 2019, 06:51:33 AM
#40
True enough about the genesis block, but I'll have to stay on the fence with this one.  Clearly some of the work was already done before that particular headline was written.  As theymos alluded to, Satoshi was working on the idea in 2007 (i.e. before it actually became the 2008 crisis).  If the text embedded in that first block had contained a headline from 2007, then we could definitely point to that beyond all doubt as the true source of inspiration.  But it didn't.  It appears as though Satoshi deliberately launched the network upon reading that article, so it does support the notion that the financial crisis was undeniably a factor in their motivations.  

crisis began in 2007. ..
it wasnt until 2008-9 before it got concluded with bailouts

i remember in 2007 that bad things were happening. so dont try alluding that the crisis didnt happen until 2008-9
might help if you done research that there were financial issues in 2007. in regards to how banks were over creating 'bad money'
hint: sub prime loans

Missing the point as usual, but okay.  What I'm saying is that while it's fairly safe to make the assumption that, because bad things were happening in that period, it could easily be the motivation behind Bitcoin's creation, it's still not quite definitive proof.  I know a lack of empirical evidence has never been a problem for you before, because we all know how much you love to tell fantastical stories, but some of us prefer facts over speculation.  And there are many facts we're likely never going to possess. 

Or is this the part where you tell us that you met Satoshi in person and they told you exactly what their motivations were?  Definitely sounds like the kind of thing you'd say.
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January 07, 2019, 02:45:13 AM
#39
It might be popular, but the information on Market Capitalization is commonly misunderstood and people compare coins based on confusing data that they do not understand.  Roll Eyes

There are also people saying that the information on there are being manipulated, but I have no proof of that and I think those are just wrong rumors being spread by their competition.  Roll Eyes
I see.
Market capitalization is the most tricky term in crypto.
Even experienced experts/ investors have still misunderstood it.
In my minds, I think of it as pseudo-capitalization, because it totally depends upon one dominant factor. You know what I meant, right?
For now, I agree with you. Grin
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January 07, 2019, 02:29:54 AM
#38
Link to CoinMarketCap is probably not a good idea. There are many good alternatives like https://coincap.io or https://coinranking.com
Why not?
Coinmarketcap.com is one of the most famous site in crypto world, or the most famous, I think.

It might be popular, but the information on Market Capitalization is commonly misunderstood and people compare coins based on confusing data that they do not understand.  Roll Eyes

There are also people saying that the information on there are being manipulated, but I have no proof of that and I think those are just wrong rumors being spread by their competition.  Roll Eyes
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January 06, 2019, 09:15:22 PM
#37
Link to CoinMarketCap is probably not a good idea. There are many good alternatives like https://coincap.io or https://coinranking.com
Why not?
Coinmarketcap.com is one of the most famous site in crypto world, or the most famous, I think.
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January 06, 2019, 08:43:45 PM
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True enough about the genesis block, but I'll have to stay on the fence with this one.  Clearly some of the work was already done before that particular headline was written.  As theymos alluded to, Satoshi was working on the idea in 2007 (i.e. before it actually became the 2008 crisis).  If the text embedded in that first block had contained a headline from 2007, then we could definitely point to that beyond all doubt as the true source of inspiration.  But it didn't.  It appears as though Satoshi deliberately launched the network upon reading that article, so it does support the notion that the financial crisis was undeniably a factor in their motivations.  

crisis began in 2007. ..
it wasnt until 2008-9 before it got concluded with bailouts

i remember in 2007 that bad things were happening. so dont try alluding that the crisis didnt happen until 2008-9
might help if you done research that there were financial issues in 2007. in regards to how banks were over creating 'bad money'
hint: sub prime loans
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January 06, 2019, 07:50:03 PM
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Satoshi's lesson is that you don't need to be the next Einstein in order to change the world. Nor do you need to have much money, or influence with the world's "movers & shakers". You just need to put in the effort.

A great takeaway.  It would be interesting to know the details of all the things satoshi had to overcome.  Surely people were wondering what was taking up so much time and if the outcome would be worth the effort.  I'm sure there was lots of discouragement.
Understanding the root problem in our society, having to trust banks and other corporate institutions lead to this. I think it's also smart to have him stay anonymous knowing that if he'd identified, it could develop an outrage, currently having created Bitcoin and people acknowledging it only when it has already a significant price, especially in the media today, he could be branded by anything and we know that the news is fast. That prevented himself to have a conflict of interest which is good. If you are human, I think some point in your life, and you want to be recognized, whether or not you are an introvert or extrovert. Personal struggles are what I could think of when it comes to this.

The thought of creating such technology such as Bitcoin has lots of ups and downs. Probably there was a lot of discouragement and we are thankful that he didn't stop. It has come a long way and with that great effort, has brought birth to a new era.
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January 06, 2019, 07:25:32 PM
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If you have read Bitcoin's whitepaper you will see no mention about it being created because of the 2008 financial crisis, my guesses are someone just have assumed (and it became popular) their is a connection between the timing of both Bitcoin's creation and the financial crisis last 10 years ago. It was created as a P2P payment solution without any 3rd party involvement (financial institutions). Nevertheless the 2008 financial crisis might just be a motivating factor for Bitcoin to start.

It might not have been in the whitepaper but it 100% made it's way into the blockchain.

True enough about the genesis block, but I'll have to stay on the fence with this one.  Clearly some of the work was already done before that particular headline was written.  As theymos alluded to, Satoshi was working on the idea in 2007 (i.e. before it actually became the 2008 crisis).  If the text embedded in that first block had contained a headline from 2007, then we could definitely point to that beyond all doubt as the true source of inspiration.  But it didn't.  It appears as though Satoshi deliberately launched the network upon reading that article, so it does support the notion that the financial crisis was undeniably a factor in their motivations.  But we can't know for certain if the article was merely something that reinforced Satoshi's general outlook on the problems with modern economic practices, or if it was specifically the global financial crisis that prompted their decision to create Bitcoin. 

It may have been that Satoshi was sufficiently economically astute to see the shit en route to the fan before it actually hit.  Or it may have been that Satoshi thought the banking system had some flaws in general and referenced that article in a "see, this is the kind of thing I'm talking about" kind of way.  I'd like to believe it was the former, but sadly, we may never find out for sure.

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January 06, 2019, 02:34:22 PM
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i don't know why people think C++ as soon as it comes to understanding bitcoin. you really don't have to know C++, any other programming language works. obviously because there are a lot of libraries that are "translation" of bitcoin core which you can read in your own "language" like python, but also if you know any programming language you are familiar with programming and you would still understand C++ too to some extent.
Programming on the whole are inter-dependent and inter-connected to each other. Understanding one is equivalent to getting a grasp on almost all the programming languages and it's flows. Also, programming alone won't help one in learning about bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency. They need to have knowledge in cryptography to understand how algorithm functions, how keys are created, how the hashing target is achieved etc. If neither one of them are known, we should better start learning everything from the beginning.

on top of all that bitcoin has a very good documentation in form of a wiki (bitcoin.it/wiki) developers reference (https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference) and the BIPs which means you sometimes don't even have to look at code to understand how certain areas of bitcoin work.
True. As you have said we are not in the early stages of bitcoin to read the code and understand everything. Almost everything has been detailed in the developer docs and there are many books/references for one to have a better understanding on the network without reading the code. Summing it up, If one needs to become a bitcoin developer, he needs to read the code else documentation is enough.
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January 05, 2019, 10:07:09 PM
#32
Satoshi's lesson is that you don't need to be the next Einstein in order to change the world. Nor do you need to have much money, or influence with the world's "movers & shakers". You just need to put in the effort.

A great takeaway.  It would be interesting to know the details of all the things satoshi had to overcome.  Surely people were wondering what was taking up so much time and if the outcome would be worth the effort.  I'm sure there was lots of discouragement.
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January 04, 2019, 03:42:54 AM
#31
I wish everyone who has questions about bitcoin would start here with your post Theymos (Thank you)
and then read the whitepaper
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January 03, 2019, 11:51:39 PM
#30
I also known another guy who spent considerable time to learn about crypto and achieved significant sweety results months later the day he/ she joined the crypto world.
iasenko (a Self-made Senior Member for now), and his/ her inspring post
You know what Satoshi did? He spent 2+ years contemplating every possible aspect of the system he could think of, and wrote code that worked brilliantly in the real world.

The sentence insprires me a lot.
I am almost a newbie in the crypto world, based on my knowledge, skills, and experience I have had till now; but I will definitely improve myself to survive in the crypto world, and to contribute some days later when I have enough experience to do it.
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This is what makes Satoshi and his work my greatest inspiration.

Another inspriring case study is hal Finney and his last topic in the forum,    
Bitcoin and me (Hal Finney)



To celebrate the 10th birthday of bitcoin, I think that the most meaningful way is spending a couple of minutes to remember who dedicated their time to develop bitcoin and bring cryptography into real life usages; and reading their topics again.
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January 03, 2019, 11:22:01 PM
#29
I am not a C++ coder, but based on the knowledge gained from my university it is easier to understand the code if you have have read some basic level of programming and know how cryptography works.

i don't know why people think C++ as soon as it comes to understanding bitcoin. you really don't have to know C++, any other programming language works. obviously because there are a lot of libraries that are "translation" of bitcoin core which you can read in your own "language" like python, but also if you know any programming language you are familiar with programming and you would still understand C++ too to some extent.
on top of all that bitcoin has a very good documentation in form of a wiki (bitcoin.it/wiki) developers reference (https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference) and the BIPs which means you sometimes don't even have to look at code to understand how certain areas of bitcoin work.

...speaking from experience (i only know c#)
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January 03, 2019, 09:59:28 PM
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Satoshi not a genius? Yeah, whatever. Things always seem simpler in retrospect including Relativity. Try working in the opposite direction of time - connections are not so "obvious" as they should be.
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January 03, 2019, 07:46:51 PM
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Great point of view theymos.

I consider him as genius, great things after it piles up of what he did, he may not be known but at least he give us something we will never forget in this century. If he's known I think he'll get Nobel Prize in many aspects or a new Nobel Prize to be known in human history.

I guess we Jr. Members shouldn't be left out with Satoshis signature, I come up with it base on Heisenberg_Hunter sig codes.

SATOSHI NAKAMOTO 《 ▬▬▬▬▬  BITCOIN  ▬▬▬▬▬  》 JANUARY 3,2009 》
https://bitcoin.org

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January 03, 2019, 07:17:36 PM
#26
Thank you theymos for this post. Maybe Satoshi aren't Einstein, but for me it's unbeleavable what one very smart guy without huge team of well paid developpers can do. No one else didn't even tried to make something similar as he did. And we can see how Satoshi believed in Bitcoin - he spent over 2 years of work to create what we have today. There was no guarantees that Bitcoin will be supported and accepted by other people. Maybe Bitcoin isn't perfect, but considering that only one person worked in creation of Bitcoin, it's almost perfect. Satoshi considered so many aspects which wouldn't came to head of many developpers and these few downsides which Bitcoin have aren't that significant in general.
In first years Bitcoin was used by only small number of geeks. Now, after just 10 years it's used by millions in all corners of world and big part of earth's population at least heard name of Bitcoin. So many things happened in these 10 years, but there are still huge, maybe unlimited potential that Bitcoin have.
Happy birthday, Bitcoin!
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January 03, 2019, 06:23:31 PM
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This 10 years anniversary can turn out to be an epic one. Right now the financial market seems to be ready to melt down once again, just like it did 10 years ago.
Bitcoin now have a chance to prove itself as a reliable store of wealth and as a secure payment system no failing empires can control.
The next 10 years Bitcoin can go from something most people just talks about, to something people going to use in their daily life.
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January 03, 2019, 03:11:20 PM
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~snip~

~snip~

They said Bitcoin was created to fight the 2008 crisis. If indeed true then it is on the way of solving all these along with all the Altcoins.
If you have read Bitcoin's whitepaper you will see no mention about it being created because of the 2008 financial crisis, my guesses are someone just have assumed (and it became popular) their is a connection between the timing of both Bitcoin's creation and the financial crisis last 10 years ago. It was created as a P2P payment solution without any 3rd party involvement (financial institutions). Nevertheless the 2008 financial crisis might just be a motivating factor for Bitcoin to start.

It might not have been in the whitepaper but it 100% made it's way into the blockchain.

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I think now as we are in a time of heightened world tension and financial turmoil it's fitting to see bitcoin still here standing strong,   price and markets don't determine bitcoins success. a point highlighted by theymos regarding hard work, determination and a desire to create change are the key factors behind bitcoin.

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January 03, 2019, 02:56:18 PM
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-snip-

Satoshi is not awesome because he was watching the crypto world and had a brilliant idea. He's awesome because upon having this idea, he carried it out. You know what I would've done if this idea had come to me? I probably would've mentioned it to a few people, maybe written some very basic code if I was feeling especially ambitious. You know what Satoshi did? He spent 2+ years contemplating every possible aspect of the system he could think of, and wrote code that worked brilliantly in the real world. Satoshi's code was good, but anyone who had read a good C++ book could've written similarly-good code. Anyone who had taken an intro crypto course or read a few books on the subject would understand Satoshi's usage of crypto primitives. The task of creating Bitcoin required a small flash of brilliance, moderate skill, and an unbelievably huge amount of dedication to thinking about, coding, and testing the system until it worked exactly as envisioned.

-snip-.

Thank you theymos, thank you for this thread and your opening post!
I love the chapter above especially the "small flash of brilliance" its
just how most great inventions go i suspect, like the post-it note, not
complicated, everything already in existence but they need to be
combined into a single product.

I really hope Satoshi is lurking on the forum and can realise the
gratitude we all owe the Satoshi entity.

A simple statement from my country >

"A lot done, more to do"
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January 03, 2019, 02:23:41 PM
#22
~snip~

~snip~

They said Bitcoin was created to fight the 2008 crisis. If indeed true then it is on the way of solving all these along with all the Altcoins.
If you have read Bitcoin's whitepaper you will see no mention about it being created because of the 2008 financial crisis, my guesses are someone just have assumed (and it became popular) their is a connection between the timing of both Bitcoin's creation and the financial crisis last 10 years ago. It was created as a P2P payment solution without any 3rd party involvement (financial institutions). Nevertheless the 2008 financial crisis might just be a motivating factor for Bitcoin to start.
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January 03, 2019, 02:02:04 PM
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Good Point. He still changed the world. What I find a lot interesting about Satoshi is that he is good in keeping himself private and doesn't really need fame after all.

theymos actually brought up a good point on how Satoshi had an idea and made it possible through hardwork and dedication. People also need to use what Satoshi had taught us in our personal lives, we must learn that we won't be going anywhere without putting up the work to reach our goals. Satoshi identified what is missing in our world and made Bitcoin as a solution. I personally consider this something how business minded people work he himself brought in a new kind of market just by with his idea and influence this crypto market didn't even existed since other coins like Litecoin, ETH, Dogecoin came along.

They said Bitcoin was created to fight the 2008 crisis. If indeed true then it is on the way of solving all these along with all the Altcoins.
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
January 03, 2019, 01:36:40 PM
#19
Prescient
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January 03, 2019, 07:37:58 AM
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theymos actually brought up a good point on how Satoshi had an idea and made it possible through hardwork and dedication. People also need to use what Satoshi had taught us in our personal lives, we must learn that we won't be going anywhere without putting up the work to reach our goals. Satoshi identified what is missing in our world and made Bitcoin as a solution. I personally consider this something how business minded people work he himself brought in a new kind of market just by with his idea and influence this crypto market didn't even existed since other coins like Litecoin, ETH, Dogecoin came along.
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January 03, 2019, 07:21:24 AM
#17
Unconsciously, Bitcoin has been born for 10 years. When I look back at the history of Bitcoin, I feel that it is not a long time. I even think it might have only been born for 3-5 years. To be honest, before 2014, I had never heard of Bitcoin. My earliest memory of Bitcoin stayed in a hacking exchange event.


Well my first time seeing Bitcoin if I am not mistaken is 5 years ago. I don't know if that is a replay of a tv show but I do heard the line of the host saying "Bitcoin is being accepted at some pubs at ...". I just shrugged it off since I don't know what is that and fast forward to 3 years later when I knew what Bitcoin was and there is this regret that I should've ask some people I knew online about it. I did not invest that quickly on Bitcoin but I do some small mining on PCs and spread some referrals. I started investing, and it is really sad, at the the price of $765 though I am earning some satoshis before $600. It is fun though, this is the first currency I invested in and it is great. Great 10 years of Bitcoin will pass and I know it will be developed more in the upcoming years. Better invest while the price is low and keep on holding.
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January 03, 2019, 06:58:34 AM
#16
Unconsciously, Bitcoin has been born for 10 years. When I look back at the history of Bitcoin, I feel that it is not a long time. I even think it might have only been born for 3-5 years. To be honest, before 2014, I had never heard of Bitcoin. My earliest memory of Bitcoin stayed in a hacking exchange event.
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January 03, 2019, 04:54:55 AM
#15
Good write up. It would be interesting to see which block gets the timestamp of 2019-01-03 18:15:05. Ten years is no longer way but the development, changes, acceptance it has undergone is literally sky high. Satoshi and the fellow helpers like Hal, sirius has undoubtedly made many people millionaires and billionaires, has challenged government organizations, brought up the future of money and what not. If satoshi alone was promoting this right back in the early days of the network, it would not have reached such heights. Apart from theymos, most of us came here only after what came to be known as cryptocurrency. Satoshi was not only a good coder, he was probably a good economist too who thought upon various economic aspects of making bitcoin future of money.

Usually when we do
Of course you understand that the intention is not to belittle anything. Even then, if you feel this (as a programmer yourself probably), it'd be helpful if you give your own perspective on the difficulty level of the code. It'd be good knowledge for learners like myself.
I am not a C++ coder, but based on the knowledge gained from my university it is easier to understand the code if you have read some basic level of programming and know how cryptography works. The flow could be easier to you only if you know where the cryptography gets applied in the code. Unless it could be a difficult time for beginners and newbies reading the code. For people like us, we can understand better by compiling the code. You can also follow the codebase present in git and read the issues, PR which are raised by devs for easy understanding of how the flow works.


If people are not part of any signature campaigns, here are some signatures designed by me for celebrating the 10th Birthday.  Cheesy

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January 03, 2019, 04:09:15 AM
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Satoshi's lesson is that you don't need to be the next Einstein in order to change the world. Nor do you need to have much money, or influence with the world's "movers & shakers". You just need to put in the effort
This is a very vital part of the OP and it serves as a mammoth motivation both on and off the cryptocurrency sphere,so many individuals have let opportunities slip out of their fingers for many reasons,one being they see themselves as not being capable of going all out to make X or Y happen, that way some other individuals at a later period picks such opportunities up and makes a name with it,even though someone prior had such thoughts and ideas.
We all can make this network a better place,by at least putting in a little effort
It even reflects in users who hardly make worthy posts,they have limited themselves to mediocrity,and if they can add just a little effort,then they will be able to develop themselves and contribute to the community.
This is a wonderful and enriching post,and it's encouraged me to strive to develop myself in here even more and probably be a better,richer and more knowledgeable cryptocurrency enthusiast come the end of the year
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January 03, 2019, 03:06:33 AM
#13
Awesome piece.
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January 03, 2019, 03:03:27 AM
#12
One of the most important reasons why Bitcoin can resonate with and get support from most people is that Satoshi sets an example for us. You don't need to have IQ like Einstein, and you don't need to have many money as Bill Gates, as an ordinary person, you can still succeed, only you need to pay time and effort.
Many people don't understand it now. They think that Satoshi's success has accidental factors, but ignores the efforts of Satoshi before Bitcoin was born. Satoshi has been studying this for a long time before Bitcoin was born, success is not only within one day.
Today, Bitcoin has been born for 10 years, but it still has at least 90 years of life, so the future of Bitcoin is worth our attention.
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January 03, 2019, 02:36:16 AM
#11
It goes to show that you don't need to be a politician to change the world, for all we know (although unlikely) satoshi could be a teenager living in his parents basement. To challenge the entire global payment system you need to have real guts and the mind of a visionary.

Additionally greed is clearly not his motivation, hence 1 million bitcoins still sitting in his wallet!
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January 03, 2019, 02:25:21 AM
#10
Bitcoin is for everyone, I mean for the mankind! So, anybody who's living in the planet Earth has the same possession to use Bitcoins and he/she/it should have an environment to use Bitcoins with a free mind. As I believe, that's the dream of Satoshi.  

The problem is, Bitcoin still don't have enough nobility and reputation for fulfilling its inventor's dream. Without nobility and reputation, it's difficult to spread Bitcoins into traditional communities (Due to own experiences).

How to improve the nobility and reputation of Bitcoins? Theymos, you like people (influencers) can play a major role there. I know you're doing your best to the Bitcoin community by running this great forum. In the fact, the Bitcoin world owe to you, hats off!

But, sometimes, your insouciance (or something similar) is badly effecting to the nobility and reputation of Bitcoins. I'm not ready to disclose them here right now since, yet, I  don't know the exact purpose behind the invention of Bitcoins (My best belief is Satoshi invented Bitcoins for the progression of mankind). Anyway, there're some stories, agree, most of us don't believe those stories, but, none of us can 100% neglect them too. The point is, due to some stories behind invention of Bitcoins, WHAT I'M SEEING THROUGH YOU as obstructive for the nobility and reputation of Bitcoins, may be purpose oriented.  
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January 03, 2019, 01:42:36 AM
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Satoshi's tenacity is extraordinary. He spent hours of work without knowing whether he will get paid or not. In the present day (for me at least), I won't spend so many work hours without incentives. Maybe for Satoshi, coding is like gaming, or in other words, he loves to code. I want to believe that this (bitcoin) is a hobby project, but It might be a research project too. Maybe he was getting paid for this research... Nevertheless, he is an awesome dude.

Happy birthday bitcoin, happy birthday me.
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January 03, 2019, 01:25:47 AM
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The impact of his dedication towards making his vision into reality is multiplied by his foresight to remain anonymous. Usually when we do something, the motivation is success, fame or wealth. Even simply self realization. It is hard to fathom that one man could do all of this and then choose to pass into anonymity, far from all the adulation and material gains.

This is probably the reason that some people believe that Satoshi passed on with Hal. It was really insightful and motivating to read this post. I renew my commitment to continue learning and contribute to the cause of decentralization and freedom of ideas.

Satoshi's code was good, but anyone who had read a good C++ book could've written similarly-good code.
This here makes it look like it's an easy task and it belittles all that Satoshi did. This is easier said than done.

I feel it just puts across the point that the level of knowledge needed to implement bitcoin's code wasn't Einstein-level exclusive. It was the dedication over those years of coding which was extraordinary. That is indeed the point of this post. For decentralization and Bitcoin to survive, more and more of us need to overcome our fear of not having enough knowledge and work towards our own individual contributions; with steadfast dedication.

Of course you understand that the intention is not to belittle anything. Even then, if you feel this (as a programmer yourself probably), it'd be helpful if you give your own perspective on the difficulty level of the code. It'd be good knowledge for learners like myself.
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January 03, 2019, 01:21:56 AM
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Satoshi's code was good, but anyone who had read a good C++ book could've written similarly-good code.
This here makes it look like it's an easy task and it belittles all that Satoshi did. This is easier said than done. I want to continue to see and view him as the super brain that he is.
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January 03, 2019, 01:17:50 AM
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I have seen several people commenting on Satoshi's original code and most of them says it was sloppy. Yes, it might not have been the work of one of the best coders or developers out there, but the concept and the forward thinking to mash all of the different components together, was the brilliance behind this.

I also think his sloppy code was a rushed attempt to get the project out there and to fine tune it later, because his main goal was not to create the perfect code, but to put a working alternative payment option out there for people who wanted to break away from a centralized Banking system that was exploiting/destroying the global economy with their greed.  Angry

Thank you Satoshi for giving us an alternative option.  Wink
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January 03, 2019, 12:37:51 AM
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Thanks Theymos for the fantastic right up. "We need not be the next Einstein before we can do the extraordinary, but just dedication" Paraphrased. Although many do aspire, but only few comes up with something tangible. I miss the early days of the bitcoin, same year I graduated from school waiting for my national service call up. Got to know about the bitcoin in 2016, without any assistance, learnt all I know now. I miss the moon too. Thanks Satoshi for this brilliant work.
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January 02, 2019, 11:47:48 PM
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This is an excellent depiction of the Satoshi vision and the lessons there in for everyone to learn from.
I am not that knowledgeable in coding, but Satoshi's unflagging determination and focus could be applied in other spheres of life with similar success.

I missed the moon launch, but getting fully prepared for the stars.
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January 02, 2019, 11:38:14 PM
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Ok, great text, you touched on several points that most people do not usually comment on when they talk about Bitcoin or Satoshi. The dedication he had was out of the ordinary, it's common for people to get a bit addicted to a hobby. How much he used his imagination is also very interesting, I imagine someone in an office closed by several dawns, writing theories and imagining the most improbable possibilities.

But what really impresses me is the total lack of influence and "money" he had before Bitcoin. No one knew who he was or what he could do. He had no reputation.

If you want to get a job, start a business, publish an article, people will ask who you are before of anything. And the importance they attach to you is connected to what you did in the past or to who is introducing you to them. It is a revolution that the only work of an avatar/profile with zero reputation has had that impact and marked the lives of so many people.

Perhaps in a more decentralized future, we might be surprised by other revolutions appearing in the most improbable places and by people totally unknown before. Anonymity and the right to privacy is not a bad thing and should always be a universal right.
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January 02, 2019, 11:27:40 PM
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Fantastic Theymos.

I would agree bitcoin has come a very long way in 10 years I think the community and adoption we see today is something spectacular from the small beginnings and with the combination of many of the cryptography tools of the time matched with the ideas and technical papers behind some of the early digital cash projects it was only a matter of time before they were packages in such a way to create the system we see today.

I have been around bitcoin since very early on I can recall early times playing about with the early clients and burning out a laptop in the process.
It was amazing to see something launch and do so with very few issues though there were a few faults along the road like when 0.3.13 had some issues with 0/conf transactions ( https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15110

Or when Block 74638 rolled around https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/strange-block-74638-822.  

All testament to the resilient nature of bitcoin and the people who strive to make bitcoin great!

I often wonder when people say things like  "Satoshi was figuring out how to add to Bitcoin things like smart contracts and payment channels."

I sometimes wonder if there was another project similar to bitcoin that satoshi worked on after bitcoin.

But I will keep my speculation for another time.

Happy Birthday Bitcoin
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January 02, 2019, 11:05:51 PM
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Thanks for posting this theymos, somehow it injects new enthusiasm for me to continue learning about coding. I have always been interested in coding but didn't find enough motivation to continue learning it, taking the wrong course and choice of career in the process. I think of giving up pursuing that, thinking maybe I'm not that good on this field as I keep failing, yet I always imagine myself as a coder, or to be precise, a bitcoin developer.

Knowing that satoshi is not that "brilliant" give me a new motivation. I'd probably not achieve the same thing as he did, but I will follow the same path.
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January 02, 2019, 10:51:55 PM
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The foundations of Bitcoin were set in stone 10 years ago today with the creation of the genesis block, and Bitcoin version 0.1 was officially released a week later. Version 0.1 was amazingly complete, and even more impressively, it had very few bugs. It also had great forward-compatibility, with explicit support for future softforks in the form of the OP_NOPn opcodes. Before anyone knew how a decentralized cryptocurrency would even work, Satoshi was figuring out how to add to Bitcoin things like smart contracts and payment channels. This is incredible, and a lot of people look at Satoshi's amazing accomplishments with Bitcoin and say stuff like, "Satoshi must be a crypto super-genius, the next Einstein." This, I think, is very much missing the point.

When Satoshi was working on Bitcoin in 2007-2009, almost all of the core ideas of Bitcoin were well-known in the cryptography community. In 1996, a summary of previous academic work on electronic cash was published, talking at length about most of the low-level cryptographic primitives used in Bitcoin and using familiar terms like "double spending". Hashcash proof-of-work was well-known, and I remember reading about it prior to Bitcoin as an idea to prevent email spam. git uses the same unbreakable chain of hashes as Bitcoin's block chain, and was first released in 2005. Satoshi made one major leap: combining all these pieces to prevent double spending through a PoW block chain. This was impressive, but the same flash of brilliance could've happened to anyone who was following this stuff.

Satoshi is not awesome because he was watching the crypto world and had a brilliant idea. He's awesome because upon having this idea, he carried it out. You know what I would've done if this idea had come to me? I probably would've mentioned it to a few people, maybe written some very basic code if I was feeling especially ambitious. You know what Satoshi did? He spent 2+ years contemplating every possible aspect of the system he could think of, and wrote code that worked brilliantly in the real world. Satoshi's code was good, but anyone who had read a good C++ book could've written similarly-good code. Anyone who had taken an intro crypto course or read a few books on the subject would understand Satoshi's usage of crypto primitives. The task of creating Bitcoin required a small flash of brilliance, moderate skill, and an unbelievably huge amount of dedication to thinking about, coding, and testing the system until it worked exactly as envisioned.

Satoshi's lesson is that you don't need to be the next Einstein in order to change the world. Nor do you need to have much money, or influence with the world's "movers & shakers". You just need to put in the effort. Satoshi, probably just an ordinary hobbyist like anyone here, saw that something was lacking in the Universe, and he fought tooth-and-nail for 2+ years until this imperfection was corrected. This is what makes Satoshi and his work my greatest inspiration.

Bitcoin has come a long way in 10 years, but it still has much more room to grow, with both major challenges and major opportunities ahead. How Bitcoin moves forward - how Satoshi's work continues - is for as many people as possible to take personal responsbility for improving the Bitcoin ecosystem, creating interesting things, and changing the world for the better. Since we've long passed the moon, I hope you'll join me in aiming for the stars.
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