Volunteers can make changes. I think the Club we made put a stick into the wheel to many spamers, bumping bots and fake projects.
We stopped the hompgraph attacks, we closed down many fake ANN threads who were using paid bots to gain popularity.Many plagiarists got busted too. You may say too strong words, but it's true and i'm proud of being part of it.
The good thing is that we are growing in number and popularizing the use of report to the mods button.
I'm not active as before but till the end of January all my renovation projects should be over (hopefully but I still doubt that) and I'll share more of my time here again.
Topic: Save Bitcoin Discussion subforum (Read 461 times)
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We also need to lock all the old spam mega-threads that are available to be bumped.
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Nuke it We also need to lock all the old spam mega-threads that are available to be bumped.
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Why to archive the sh*t by locking the topics?
And locking won't decrease the post count as well...
If we start to clean up at least the Bitcoin Discussion, and nuke a lot of unnecessary post, spammers will avoid the place, because they will learn sooner or later that there's no use to spam in BD because it won't make them any money on the long run... and this is the key in connection with spammers...
I think we need to get to a stage where inappropriate topics are either moved or trashed soon after posting, and threads are actively patrolled for signs they are turning in to spam mega threads and locked down way before they get to 20+ pages of trash. We need more reporting and more moderators to get there. We also need to lock all the old spam mega-threads that are available to be bumped. It's all well and good reporting threads to be locked, and the usually are promptly, but I regularly see threads that have been dead for several months being bumped back to the front page with the usual meaningless drivel.
I too would love to "reclaim" Bitcoin Discussion. I barely go there now, and thus don't report posts there. Unlike the altcoin board (where I report many posts like "great project" from automated searches), Bitcoin Discussion has much more "generic shitposts". If ever a cleanup starts, and the board gets one or more dedicated Mods, I'm willing to do my share to start a massive cleanup.
I'm also interested in a massive cleanup in Bitcoin Discussion.What I would like to achieve is to have a lot's of topics deleted, because spammers and bounty hunters would only care about the post count, and you can only decrease their post count effectively (not one by one) if you delete spam megathreads and those where they only post average meaningless replies.
I know that we surely will lose some decent replies too, but if this is the price we have to pay for a clean section, I won't be too worried about it...
Or, we could ask for a development, not to let the merited (but just the merited) posts to delete from a thread, so if you delete a spam megathread which contain some merited good quality posts (I know the chance for that...) they will remain and the topic can live on with the quality posts.
I too would love to "reclaim" Bitcoin Discussion. I barely go there now, and thus don't report posts there. Unlike the altcoin board (where I report many posts like "great project" from automated searches), Bitcoin Discussion has much more "generic shitposts". If ever a cleanup starts, and the board gets one or more dedicated Mods, I'm willing to do my share to start a massive cleanup.
I report shitloads of posts in BD and they all get handled reasonably quickly. So don't wait for dedicated mods, get on it
I too would love to "reclaim" Bitcoin Discussion. I barely go there now, and thus don't report posts there. Unlike the altcoin board (where I report many posts like "great project" from automated searches), Bitcoin Discussion has much more "generic shitposts". If ever a cleanup starts, and the board gets one or more dedicated Mods, I'm willing to do my share to start a massive cleanup.
Just report the posts to mods so they will remove them, all my reports (around 6k) have been marked (read) from moderators.
In the end, don't expect that a mod will read the whole forum, but if you report the message they will read what you will report.
In the end, don't expect that a mod will read the whole forum, but if you report the message they will read what you will report.
I went through the first couple of pages to look for posts to merit, and I managed to find a couple, but most of it was of little interest to me, so I got bored and quit.
Maybe we need a bondage board for chained coins.
Indeed to eradicate spamming is the reason the merit system was introduced in the first place but to my greatest surprise the rate of spamming is still at alarming rate, and that is making the work of merit sources very hard to find constructive and helpful posts to merit on because their are always berried by insubstantial post's. Maybe we need a bondage board for chained coins.
Good luck with that, but it doesn't look to me as a solution.
It's for the community to deal with not just one person alone. Unfortunately, there are more spammer/spam post than moderators could handle. The only thing you could do is by self-moderate your thread and remove all spam/FUD.
There's solution such as disable signature on "Bitcoin Discussion" or ban all Signature Bounty, but we know that won't happen.
That's why most member don't visit that boards or only participate on/make self-moderated thread.
There's solution such as disable signature on "Bitcoin Discussion" or ban all Signature Bounty, but we know that won't happen.
That's why most member don't visit that boards or only participate on/make self-moderated thread.
Or some of us just move threads to serious discussion when we think it's going to have too much spam on it...
If you make a self modded topic then it can still bet buried under other spam on the board.
Improve the threads, don't just complain about them.
Good luck with that, but it doesn't look to me as a solution. Unfortunately, there are more spammer/spam post than moderators could handle. The only thing you could do is by self-moderate your thread and remove all spam/FUD.
There's solution such as disable signature on "Bitcoin Discussion" or ban all Signature Bounty, but we know that won't happen.
That's why most member don't visit that boards or only participate on/make self-moderated thread.
I liked the above idea, although I found other proposals helpful too. There's solution such as disable signature on "Bitcoin Discussion" or ban all Signature Bounty, but we know that won't happen.
That's why most member don't visit that boards or only participate on/make self-moderated thread.
No. It should be the signature campaign managers who are paying people to make the same old crap day after day.
What can people even do about it, other than the admins? Give negative trust? Yeah right, like that would do anything. That sub board should have more moderators, but nothing will change as long as people are being paid to make the spam. It's like hiring more staff to bucket water out of a sinking ship. The problem needs to be tackled at the source and the holes patched up, and those holes are badly run campaigns. You'd need a couple of full time moderators to be truly efficient to tackle the spam, but it's the campaign managers who should be held responsible for this as it's their job that they just aren't doing properly.
Hiring volunteers for moderation might make things better? There are so many ways to help out the forum, but there's 0 motivation for anybody to do it. People could start by reporting, or creating self mod threads etc etc, and they could contribute in the tiniest of ways, but they know its useless, so nothing will ever happen. This forum reminds of PUBG, people play it, but are also bored of it, because its the same thing over and over again.
theymos needs to do something like #FIX Bitcointalk campaign(not a signature campaign,4head!).
It's easy to point to low quality posts, but what would be more constructive is if we made an effort to elevate these topics by providing high quality replies. I'm convinced that when topics consist primarily of nothing more than generic one or two liner replies, it effectively serves as an invitation for lazy posters to just "add to the pile". But once a legitimate discussion breaks out, any further low quality posts tend to stand out more and will be easier to report and weed out. It stands to reason that the more topics we can salvage, the healhier that board will start to look.
Improve the threads, don't just complain about them.
That said, many topics do need locking much sooner, before they can reach the state some of them are in. Some of them are just too far gone to be saved.
Improve the threads, don't just complain about them.
That said, many topics do need locking much sooner, before they can reach the state some of them are in. Some of them are just too far gone to be saved.
You've pretty much nailed it. I spend a decent amount of time going through threads, requesting their locked and reporting anything within an estimated "payment period". I'm sure I'm just a drop in the bucket for what is reported but I've seen results. Most of these threads loose all semblance of a discussion by page 4, and it becomes a constant flow of spammers replying to the Title/OP.
The problem doesn't stop with just the Sig spammers, unfortunately most members learn by example here. When they see this behavior they will mimic it and not see the problem, well before they wear or can wear a Sig.
Depending on the thread I have seen a decent amount of members who do engage in a good bout of discussion, generally the same users each time. Unfortunately though they can get drown out/disrupted by the flow of Spammy shitposts.
Report on
I went through the first couple of pages to look for posts to merit, and I managed to find a couple, but most of it was of little interest to me, so I got bored and quit.
Maybe we need a bondage board for chained coins.
Maybe we need a bondage board for chained coins.
It's easy to point to low quality posts, but what would be more constructive is if we made an effort to elevate these topics by providing high quality replies. I'm convinced that when topics consist primarily of nothing more than generic one or two liner replies, it effectively serves as an invitation for lazy posters to just "add to the pile". But once a legitimate discussion breaks out, any further low quality posts tend to stand out more and will be easier to report and weed out. It stands to reason that the more topics we can salvage, the healhier that board will start to look.
Improve the threads, don't just complain about them.
That said, many topics do need locking much sooner, before they can reach the state some of them are in. Some of them are just too far gone to be saved.
Improve the threads, don't just complain about them.
That said, many topics do need locking much sooner, before they can reach the state some of them are in. Some of them are just too far gone to be saved.
Recently I started to be more active on Bitcoin Discussion subforum and became totally disappointed. A lot of noise over there low quality redundant topics pop-up every minute and bury each other under a pile of garbage. Isn't it mods job to take care of this issue?
No. It should be the signature campaign managers who are paying people to make the same old crap day after day.
That sub board should have more moderators, but nothing will change as long as people are being paid to make the spam. It's like hiring more staff to bucket water out of a sinking ship. The problem needs to be tackled at the source and the holes patched up, and those holes are badly run campaigns. You'd need a couple of full time moderators to be truly efficient to tackle the spam, but it's the campaign managers who should be held responsible for this as it's their job that they just aren't doing properly.
This has been discussed at length before. I would encourage you to use the search function before opening a new thread.
Exactly , it's been discussed endlessly , one topic every month:
Have we left "Bitcoin Discussion" board for spammers, forever??
If this contiunes, we'll lose the Bitcoin Discussion topic
The bottom line of all the topics is that until theymos finally appoints a member all we can do is report, report and report, from spam posts and topics that don't belong there to each megathread that needs to be locked since it is infested.
This has been discussed at length before. I would encourage you to use the search function before opening a new thread.
In summary - you are right. Bitcoin Discussion should be the main board of this forum, but it is overrun with bounty spammers. There are far too many users who are not reading a single comment before posting, instead just churning out their one line shitpost to meet their bounty requirement before moving on to the next thread. There are far too many spam threads 10+ pages long with absolutely zero discussion happening, just flooded with these meaningless shitposts. Every time one of these threads is locked, two more are bumped to take its place.
This won't stop until theymos makes a change. We either need the merit requirement for signatures to be increased to 10, dedicated sub-board moderators, or ideally, both. In the meantime, I would encourage you to join me in reporting all these shitposts for deletion and reporting the offending threads to be locked.
In summary - you are right. Bitcoin Discussion should be the main board of this forum, but it is overrun with bounty spammers. There are far too many users who are not reading a single comment before posting, instead just churning out their one line shitpost to meet their bounty requirement before moving on to the next thread. There are far too many spam threads 10+ pages long with absolutely zero discussion happening, just flooded with these meaningless shitposts. Every time one of these threads is locked, two more are bumped to take its place.
This won't stop until theymos makes a change. We either need the merit requirement for signatures to be increased to 10, dedicated sub-board moderators, or ideally, both. In the meantime, I would encourage you to join me in reporting all these shitposts for deletion and reporting the offending threads to be locked.
they trashing all?
If it is low quality and not adding anything new or relevant to the discussion then it would likely be thrashed if it's a thread and deleted if it's a reply.
Unfortunately as much as we wish they can not trash all threads and posts which should be. That's why the entire community needs to out hands together to maintain the quality on the forum.
Bitcoin discussion and Altcoin discussion are very similar in content. Threads with 300+ replies that are impossible to keep track of with very little quality content whatsoever.
IMO, recently spamming has decreased quite a bit on the Bitcoin discussion board, it was way worse. Yeah, now with the price drop, a lot of low-quality price topics are popping up. For the time being the best solution is just reporting these threads and mods do trash them.
they trashing all?
IMO, recently spamming has decreased quite a bit on the Bitcoin discussion board, it was way worse. Yeah, now with the price drop, a lot of low-quality price topics are popping up. For the time being the best solution is just reporting these threads and mods do trash them.
Recently I started to be more active on Bitcoin Discussion subforum and became totally disappointed. A lot of noise over there low quality redundant topics pop-up every minute and bury each other under a pile of garbage. Isn't it mods job to take care of this issue?
Bitcoin discussion is like posting in the satoshi one on one tuition forum compared to alt discussion. You could try serious discussion but really that does not seem to have taken off yet.
I think junior forums are the only answer with merit/rank requirement to continue on main boards. noob jail with decentralised appraisal of juniors to be elavated ... a postive way to spend a few hours rather than the negativity of reporting.
Although with continued bear market a lot will drop away over time leaving only the real enthusiasts and long term supporters.
Isn't it mods job to take care of this issue?
The mods actually need to be commended to a certain extent,at least for not letting those spammers take absolute control of those sections..Low quality content is a real issue on the forum,and a lot of measures to reduce it to its tiniest bit has been proposed over a thousand times on the forum,but the last call is definitely theymos's
So for now we'll stick with the features we have such as "reporting to the moderator" when we come across piles and piles of shit
In addition to self moderating your threads, you can also report any post, or reply you deem low in quality or unfit for the board in which it is in. This would make the work of moderators relatively easier and you could also earn a badge when/if Theymos decides on that.
Moderators are doing a lot to keep the forum free of spam as can be seen in Modlog And they deserve due credit for it.
And we should also try not to add to the clog by starting threads which has been exhaustively discussed already on the forum.
Moderators are doing a lot to keep the forum free of spam as can be seen in Modlog And they deserve due credit for it.
And we should also try not to add to the clog by starting threads which has been exhaustively discussed already on the forum.
Unfortunately, there are more spammer/spam post than moderators could handle. The only thing you could do is by self-moderate your thread and remove all spam/FUD.
There's solution such as disable signature on "Bitcoin Discussion" or ban all Signature Bounty, but we know that won't happen.
That's why most member don't visit that boards or only participate on/make self-moderated thread.
There's solution such as disable signature on "Bitcoin Discussion" or ban all Signature Bounty, but we know that won't happen.
That's why most member don't visit that boards or only participate on/make self-moderated thread.
It is there job to do it but mods are limited in numbers and theymos doesn’t want to add any more mods. The newbies are also a me to be deleted by patrollers but I think bounty spam is a much bigger issue to them because thrrrs so much of it.
Recently I started to be more active on Bitcoin Discussion subforum and became totally disappointed. A lot of noise over there low quality redundant topics pop-up every minute and bury each other under a pile of garbage. Isn't it mods job to take care of this issue?
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