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Quote from: Lorence.xD on April 27, 2023, 12:06:28 AM

Best way is to write it down in a note or save in your phone notes. There's a lot of way for you to assure your back up seed phrase than a song just my thought.

Saving your private key or secret phrases in any software in your mobile devices or desktop is not advisable as hackers can easily gain access to it. It's preferable to save it offline an if possible purchase a titaniium steel and write the key on it or you could just go for the more simpler option which is to write it on piece of paper and then keep them in multiple places.

And since you mentioned phone it will br extremely difficult for you to retireve your key back if anything should happen to you device, for example if your device should get damaged beyond repair how then would you go about the retrieval?
like the popular saying goes "Prevention is better than cure"

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

I had written down and saved my seed phrase before now. But after I asked questions about SegWit wallet and knew its importance. I decided to practice it. Little Mouse and o_e_l_e_o guided me. Although I didn't do it excellently but I'll get it well when I'm with both of my devices.
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Example of Seed phrase song. With the seed phrase words repeated twice x2 in the song to emphasis them.

An empty brain will damage your thinking faculty in a second. Fault no man, be vibrant and find good food. Your joy will flow like the ocean and your name will sound like nature when you eat noodles .[/center]

Happy read and how is the idea, weird I think??

What are you! Is it possible to trust your deposit to some song?
If you seriously trust yourself and are determined to earn seriously, then you can't treat it like this. The phrase needs to be written out on paper and stored in a safe place, it can be divided into two parts. I am sure that everyone will easily find a secluded place where you can hide a secret phrase.

In any case, do not use this method if you do not want to stay looking at your non-open wallet with bitcoins.

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This is a nice but risky idea, because you can be sue for exploitation of the kids if you are not they biological perant and also this idea sound irritating ops I mean no offence but that is how I see the whole idea.

You have better way to store your seed phrase and as a matter of fact I don't see anything special with seed phrase safety if you can carefully take precautions measures.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

The kids surely don't know about seed phrases
And the people around wouldn't have a clue of what is happening.
This could be a good way to save my seed phrase since it is not advisable to memorise it. Besides, all the kids memories cannot fail simultaneously.

They don't know about it now, but they might figure it out in the future. They might look up Bitcoin, how it's stored, learn about seeds and then put two and two together and realize that you made them memorize one.

Similarly, other people might notice the weird structure of the song and realize it's a seed.

Maybe the memories can't fail simultaneously, but they can all fail with time. If they won't frequently repeat it, they will forget it, the change of it happening in the long run is quite high.

It's impossible for anyone to recognize if people in your environment or your children know that you have a connection with crypto, I think that's key, because if they know that we have a relationship with bitcoin or crypto it will be easy to detect that kind of thing in their minds. In terms of song structure, I also often sing random songs made from my own imagination, maybe even say once a day for one month, I am even considered crazy with unclear word combinations.
Well it's just that, the memory that is feared will mess everything up and make us lose the seeds to get back into our wallets, storage like that is not very effective in the long run.

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What if the parents of this kids relocate with their children to a location that isn't accessible to you, What if you get too busy to keep this kids engaged with this song that is attached to your seed phrase and the forget how to recite the song or start misplacing the original arrangement of the seed phrase. The brain can never be trusted 100% instead engraved method is far preferred where stainless steels example Hodlinox plates can help store our seed phrase for as long as we have the steel.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on April 27, 2023, 12:06:28 AM

Best way is to write it down in a note or save in your phone notes. There's a lot of way for you to assure your back up seed phrase than a song just my thought.

Keeping notes on the phone is not recommended because the phone can be hacked if the user doesn't know how to avoid hacking from viruses or malware that are installed automatically when you use the browser, it is recommended to save password-protected files on the hard drive and save manual notes hidden in an area where no one suspects. but it all depends on each individual's choice to keep the phrases safe from anyone, even some randomized the order of the phrases but all the sequences have been memorized correctly.

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There's this one and common mistake we often make whenever it comes to adopting means to secure our seed phrase, we sometimes play too smart and ended up been weak unknowingly, I've seen someone also that write a song and use some of the wordens from the seed phrase he has to his wallet, some make it a tattoo to their body and many examples like that which is very risky to me because they have been opened to a third party while expressing their seed phrase to others which should have been maintained within themselves.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 26, 2023, 07:20:39 PM

practically its also not going to be easy task to teach a poem which contains recovery seeds of your wallets but let's give it a try with an empty wallet and see it really works.

You shouldn't even be heard reading out your seed phrase, not to talk of reciting it to a bunch of kids that aren't even yours to begin with, neither are you in control of their daily activities or movement, there is absolutely nothing to try here, and only if one cares less about their Bitcoins would they do something like this.

Having said that, i have seen quite a lot of weird suggestions lately from people on how to store seed phrases, and i can't help but ask myself why, why would you want to experiment with your funds, if it were paper money, you'd just go down the conventional road and deposit it in your bank and that's that, thus why can't people just do the simple, but yet most secure thing when storing their Bitcoins: write it down on paper! Experimenting with your Bitcoin won't be funny nor exciting when you lose it.

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As time goes on, there is 100% tendency that they will forget most of the songs, situation might warrant moving out of that environment, in that case will start looking for them to recover the phrase?. Note this, that if they move from their current locality to other places, there is 100% tendency to forget the song after some years as they will focus on some other things, even if they remember, it may not be correct as it was. If you try to visit them in their respective places, after gathering information from their songs, you will engage in another combat of which Is the correct one as they will all have different songs by then.

As mentioned by others that those children can mix the words up, that is rightly correct. I will put further that those children can even change some of those words as they may sound thesame with different spelling.

The best thing to do is to write it down in a safe places. Yes, safe places helps you have assurance on the phrase as they are in different places and all cannot be loosed at thesame time.
This is just my humble suggestions

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I doubt your idea of storing seed phrases in the lyrics of a song whether it will be safe and effective enough or not. because the problem is because you created the song to be memorized by other people (children). I think this idea will be more effective and safer if you only memorize the song yourself. But making the phrase seed into a great song for me is only effective as a way to make it easier for us to remember the phrase seed.

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I don't know but there's a lot of method for you to save your phrases than a song. I confess that I always forgot my account password especially if I'm not that active in social media even the last time I opened the account is like 2-3 days ago. Meaning our mind once it got distracted we couldn't even remember things so if we rely on a song based on your memories then it risky. Only if you're habit is to sing it everyday that you'll get used to it but probably you'll get fed up.

Best way is to write it down in a note or save in your phone notes. There's a lot of way for you to assure your back up seed phrase than a song just my thought.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on April 26, 2023, 07:20:39 PM

But isn't that we are making it more vulnerable than what actually it is or we may be doing something which can complicate things than it should be, practically its also not going to be easy task to teach a poem which contains recovery seeds of your wallets but let's give it a try with an empty wallet and see it really works.

No need to try, you can use your logic to know if it's really work.

The answer of save seed phrase in song is work, but you're still carry a risk to lost your coins forever because anyone have their own business, it can be work, learn something etc, your life aren't only for sing a song and remember these 12 words.

Not to mention when you a human get older, your brain performance will decreased and there's a chance of suffer brain injury that could might you not remember anything or only remember some part.

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@OP I think you stole this idea from a movie I remember which is starred by Vin Diesel. Grin

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 26, 2023, 04:09:44 AM

Quote from: Zoomic on April 26, 2023, 03:57:50 AM

If you observe very well, the added words does not re-arrange the seed phrase and neither do they interfere.

The point he is making is that the red words also all appear on the BIP39 word list. And actually Cantsay has missed out "like" and "sound". So in that line of text, you have 23 words which could be part of your seed phrase. There are 1,352,078 ways to pick 12 words out of 23 if you assume you have the correct order. If your order is incorrect, then that becomes up to ~648 trillion possibilities, which is clearly an impossible task.

But isn't that we are making it more vulnerable than what actually it is or we may be doing something which can complicate things than it should be, practically its also not going to be easy task to teach a poem which contains recovery seeds of your wallets but let's give it a try with an empty wallet and see it really works.

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Seed phrase are not to be memorized rather copy it down somewhere that can be accessible to you alone, the last time I tried doing that I lost access to my wallet but I was lucky enough to have saved it somewheres.
My advise to you if you wanna try that always use a wallet that has no funds inside maybe for a trial to know if you could be very good at it.

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Quote from: drwhobox on April 26, 2023, 06:38:56 PM

Learn to take responsibility of things that matter to you. The idea of making a song or poem with your key-phrases is awful honestly. You have three wallets as you mention OP, so are you planning to make three songs for them, what if you mix up the key-phrases? What if the kids mix up the words?

But my main point is, you can make songs about your key-phrases and teach them to kids, while you can write them down, find a safe place to store them. For me making a song and teaching it to kids is more hassle than saving the key-phrases in a safe place.

I agree since it's just too much of a work to do plus making a song about seed with added words will eventually mixed them up and might be forgotten or the kids would completely mix up the words. It's a total disaster for OP to plan like that but at least some of us have some ideas we share in order for OP to get some it while trying to balance which is the best idea for storing seed phrase.

On the other note, what if someone ask the kids what are they singing because it sounded unfamiliar to them then the kids would tell them that it was some random or let's just say their uncle or something teach them this song and then someone trying to solve it thinking that person was into cryptocurrency?

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Learn to take responsibility of things that matter to you. The idea of making a song or poem with your key-phrases is awful honestly. You have three wallets as you mention OP, so are you planning to make three songs for them, what if you mix up the key-phrases? What if the kids mix up the words?

But my main point is, you can make songs about your key-phrases and teach them to kids, while you can write them down, find a safe place to store them. For me making a song and teaching it to kids is more hassle than saving the key-phrases in a safe place.

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Quote from: Outhue on April 26, 2023, 05:25:05 AM

Brilliant, because it looks like you will become a great novelist some day, and stupid, because you using crypto seed phrase, how is that a song anyway? This days that are so desperate with everything they do, I have seen people guessing seed phrases and putting them together hoping they get into someone's crypto wallet. Thanks for giving them this clue, now they can go buy novel books and start inserting words themselves.

I do not think it is stupid to put seeds in a song but teaching the kids of that song is. Using seeds phrase in a song is brilliant making it not obvious to be a seed phrase unless @OP declare that it contains his seed phrases. He can always take care of the piece that contains the seed phrase just like the seed phrase itself. Creating a copy, laminating or printing it then store it where the element of nature can't destroy it. This way when someone got the copy of that song have no idea that seed phrase are integrated to it.

Quote from: Outhue on April 26, 2023, 05:25:05 AM

I have in no way stored my recovery seed online, thinking it's safe, it's a bad practice, I would rather find a book and write down my recovery phrases and keep the book safe, if you don't have money for a hardware wallet it's better to get a book and write down your seed phrase.

Important information such as seed phrase and private keys should be stored out of the internet. The reason behind is that, there is no safe place in the internet especially the known storage sites since hackers will always try to hack it.

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I read your post and firstly thought about how creative you are, OP. This reminds me of the way we memorized the names of the nine planets, by forming it into a song with acronyms from the names gotten. It sure helped me when I wrote my exams then, it sure also helped me when I had to also learn the first 20 elements of the atomic table.
I don't care how it sounds, but having to form my seed phrases into a song only I know and can remember, is a sure way to keep my secret phrases safe.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on April 26, 2023, 10:39:52 AM

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 26, 2023, 04:09:44 AM

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First of all, we should know that these words contain the seed phrases. What is the point in trying to find seed phrases in songs or in random sentences when we are not even sure if it would be a seed phrase or not?

I think you got the wrong idea here, we weren't trying or planning to look for secret phrase instead we were only trying to point out to Op what could go wrong if he decides to stiick with this idea of his.

And if take a good look at Op's idea you'll notice that the words that make up his secret phrase are not in a pattern so it will be very easy for him to miss the real word for another and that's what we're trying to tell Op.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 26, 2023, 03:57:50 AM

Quote from: Darker45 on April 25, 2023, 10:08:48 PM

That's an amusing and novel idea on how to save a seed phrase, but I don't think that's an effective way.

It's really amusing and that's why I called it weird. For now the idea is ineffective and can be subjected to further refining

To be honest I was laughing when I saw this idea of yours on how to memorize or save the seed phrase in the song. The idea is really wired and i do not know how people come up with such ideas.
Although i will never implement this idea nor i will recommend anyone to use this idea for his seed phrases, i still want to acknowledge you for thinking out of the box and coming up with something really laughable. Cheesy

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 26, 2023, 03:57:50 AM

If you observe very well, the added words does not re-arrange the seed phrase and neither do they interfere.

The point he is making is that the red words also all appear on the BIP39 word list. And actually Cantsay has missed out "like" and "sound". So in that line of text, you have 23 words which could be part of your seed phrase. There are 1,352,078 ways to pick 12 words out of 23 if you assume you have the correct order. If your order is incorrect, then that becomes up to ~648 trillion possibilities, which is clearly an impossible task.

First of all, we should know that these words contain the seed phrases. What is the point in trying to find seed phrases in songs or in random sentences when we are not even sure if it would be a seed phrase or not?

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I don't like the idea of it to be honest, and for sure it's not going to be applicable to anyone. Specially that memory might play a big role here. Not saying that it's bad, but most of the time, people's memory deteriorate overtime. Just do the traditional way of writing it down, making a lot of backup and save it somewhere secure. So just used plates to backup your seeds or private key.

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Brilliant, because it looks like you will become a great novelist some day, and stupid, because you using crypto seed phrase, how is that a song anyway? This days that are so desperate with everything they do, I have seen people guessing seed phrases and putting them together hoping they get into someone's crypto wallet. Thanks for giving them this clue, now they can go buy novel books and start inserting words themselves.

I have in no way stored my recovery seed online, thinking it's safe, it's a bad practice, I would rather find a book and write down my recovery phrases and keep the book safe, if you don't have money for a hardware wallet it's better to get a book and write down your seed phrase.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 26, 2023, 03:57:50 AM

If you observe very well, the added words does not re-arrange the seed phrase and neither do they interfere.

The point he is making is that the red words also all appear on the BIP39 word list. And actually Cantsay has missed out "like" and "sound". So in that line of text, you have 23 words which could be part of your seed phrase. There are 1,352,078 ways to pick 12 words out of 23 if you assume you have the correct order. If your order is incorrect, then that becomes up to ~648 trillion possibilities, which is clearly an impossible task.

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Quote from: Cantsay on April 25, 2023, 06:31:49 PM

Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

An empty brain will damage your thinking faculty in a second. Fault no man, be vibrant and find good food. Your joy will flow like the ocean and your name will sound like nature when you eat noodles

And I believe this is even more risky than the one I did, because now you're not only shuffling you're adding more words to you secret phrases and what exactly are you goiog to do if the words you chose turns out to be a BIP-39 word and then you forget your pattern also? All those words in red are BIP-39 words so what will you do if you should mistake any of your secret phrases for them? Here's Electrum's own; https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/electrum/wordlist/english.txt

If you observe very well, the added words does not re-arrange the seed phrase and neither do they interfere. The bolded words are the seed words and in the song they are repeated twice to emphasis that it is part of the phrase. I don't know if you understand me.

Quote from: acroman08 on April 25, 2023, 04:46:15 PM

just for fun, instead of creating a song out of it, try creating a poem, I feel like a poem would be more suitable.

Nice idea there! Just for fun as you said...

But I am glad people reacted differently and atleast some people smiled at my idea and that is a big plus.

Quote from: Merit.s on April 26, 2023, 02:48:41 AM

I was smiling as I was reading your post, and am still smiling right now because it is very funny. Nice one mate, you came up with an idea here.

I am glad that this made you smile mate.

This is an idea, even if it is ineffective now, I know there is a room for refining the idea. Even if it takes me to go studio sing the song myself and code in the seed phrase Grin

Quote from: Darker45 on April 25, 2023, 10:08:48 PM

That's an amusing and novel idea on how to save a seed phrase, but I don't think that's an effective way.

It's really amusing and that's why I called it weird. For now the idea is ineffective and can be subjected to further refining

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

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Happy read and how is the idea, weird I think??

I think it sounds weird too

Each song contains its own value or message. If a song whose lyrics all contain your seed phrase becomes a hit like a famous singer's song that will be memorized by all circles, there will definitely be a risk that the meaning of the song's lyrics will be discovered.

Can it be famous or viral? Can.
Just look at how a busker on the bus suddenly went viral because of a song he was singing with the aim of entertaining passengers.
To me that's not a great idea.
We also have to think about our memory, which will start to decrease in memory every time we get older or at some point without us wanting an accident to occur which makes it difficult for us to remember something.

But I appreciate that you have been as creative as possible in trying to secure the seed phrases.
Just keep it in metal that has passed its trial period in the event of a fire instead of having the firefighters arrive late on site.

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I was smiling as I was reading your post, and am still smiling right now because it is very funny. Nice one mate, you came up with an idea here. You only have three wallets, and you are confused on how to keep your seed phrase save. Gosh,you shouldn't keep all the three in the same place,if not whatever happens to one happens to all. Make duplicates of three copies each and put in three different location that is safe maybe one in your house and two somewhere else but very safe. So that if something happens to any of them,you still have two more back ups. Save yourself the stress of teaching those kids a way to publicize your seed phrase which should be your privacy. What if all the kids disappear like thin air into the sky, it means that your seed phrase has disappeared with them.

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First, Oh my God what an effort. Second, it's interesting but highly risky. Third, try another better option. Because, dude. It's only you who really know about the seed phrase right? That song is consist of many words not only just the phrase, what if it's replaced by the other words? then how many years those kids could remember about the song? or how many years until they still care about the song? kids are fastly grown up and they will have their own things to do soon. No, no. This is not right, the children is not an object you could exploit anytime you want. Try another way, dude.

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Instead on making it too complicated like a shitty kid song lyrics that doesn’t make sense why not invest on titanium plate like this one https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptovault-titanium-cold-recovery-seed-storage-3318725 and store it on safe place.

Giving a task to a children is bullshit especially if the song they are gonna sing is not a norm. We are talking about money here and you should not involved minors on safe keeping your keys. You should invest on it to make it safer and not reliable to someone that doesn’t know anything about it.

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People can save their seed phrase in a book too. It is their choice and they are free to do that method but I don't.

I don't think if you complicate your method to store your seed phrase is good enough to secure it. If you store it in a book and leaves the book on your table, is it safe?

Is it safe if you hide it in your song and leave the song lyrics on your table?

I would like to keep it simple as it should be, a seed phrase but I store it safely and securely enough. It is enough for my backup method.

Splitting your seed phrase is bad idea too.
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That's an amusing and novel idea on how to save a seed phrase, but I don't think that's an effective way.

The problem remains, that memory is not reliable in terms of keeping your seed phrase safe. If you have children memorize a song, how long would they remember that song? How long would they be singing that song? If we forget popular nursery rhymes, how much more a song that isn't popular, that you can't even hear on the radio or search on Spotify or YouTube? Perhaps it would be effective if you manage to make your song a classic, which I honestly doubt.

Just write them down clearly. Keep several copies. Hide them in different inconspicuous locations. And you might also want to consider metal seed phrase storage.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

I had written down and saved my seed phrase before now. But after I asked questions about SegWit wallet and knew its importance. I decided to practice it. Little Mouse and o_e_l_e_o guided me. Although I didn't do it excellently but I'll get it well when I'm with both of my devices.

But after setting up electrum on both my devices, including the trust wallet phrase I had already, I now have 3 different key phrases to safely guide. It is now a burden to me to write the three down and keep all in the same place. What if there is a problem with one, all would also be affected.

Then, I came up with this weird idea of teaching kids around me a song that they will sing. I am a friend to many kids. They come around and read their poems for me and lots more.
How about if I form a song with my seed phrase and teach them to learn it and sing always. That could solve my problem.

The kids surely don't know about seed phrases
And the people around wouldn't have a clue of what is happening.
This could be a good way to save my seed phrase since it is not advisable to memorise it. Besides, all the kids memories cannot fail simultaneously.

Example of seed phrase:
Empty Damage Second Fault
Vibrant Find Food Joy
Ocean Name Nature Noodles

Example of Seed phrase song. With the seed phrase words repeated twice x2 in the song to emphasis them.

An empty brain will damage your thinking faculty in a second. Fault no man, be vibrant and find good food. Your joy will flow like the ocean and your name will sound like nature when you eat noodles .

Happy read and how is the idea, weird I think??

great idea but what if by accident you forget which is which, for personal preference like you it would be okay, but for the rest of us like newbies, I won't recommend that idea, I would suggest to write it in a piece of paper 2 copies in different place, or if you can make it secure its better, don't make things complicated, if you can make it in an easy and secure, safe way, but commending creativity for thinking outside the box.

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Memory is the worst thing for preserving the seeds due to the high sensitivity of the seeds to the words and their arrangement, as remembering all the seeds, but without knowing the order, means that you may not be able to recover your money, and therefore if you lose a line or two from the song, you lost your words.

if you remember the 12 words, but without the right or wrong order, you will get a worse scenario of 12! = 479,001,600
So far, I have not talked about the possibility that one of the words is wrong or forgotten. Cheesy

Write the seeds on fire-resistant paper or metal.

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I would say everyone has got what works for him or her. Perhaps you think the lyrics to recall would stock and you wouldn't forget in the passing years of your lifetime, then you might as well go with it OP. Just remember, forget one lyric and your coins are all gone.

Not your seed, not your coins.

Am not comfortable with the idea of putting my seed in some lyric to a song. I've been into some songs in the course of my life, sang them through most hours of my day and they was an interesting once two, had great melody and rhythm but, it does skip me some times. That's not a risk am ready to putoney on. Be good!

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I wouldn't advice anyone to save their secret phrases by composing a song or whatever it is that you did here, I remember back then when I newly came to the forum I used to shuffle some words in my phrases before i stored them and I thought it provided more security to my wallet but it turned out to be more dangerous and risky than it looks; like for example if I should forget the pattern of my shuffling it means my wallet is gone and same also goes with you writing a song to save your private key, sorry secret phrase.

Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

An empty brain will damage your thinking faculty in a second. Fault no man, be vibrant and find good food. Your joy will flow like the ocean and your name will sound like nature when you eat noodles

And I believe this is even more risky than the one I did, because now you're not only shuffling you're adding more words to you secret phrases and what exactly are you goiog to do if the words you chose turns out to be a BIP-39 word and then you forget your pattern also? All those words in red are BIP-39 words so what will you do if you should mistake any of your secret phrases for them? Here's Electrum's own; https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blob/master/electrum/wordlist/english.txt

Just as @o_e_l_e_o said, it's better to write your phrases to keep your secret phrases in multiple safe location than to start looking for a way to encrypt it.

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I do not understand how exploitation came in, if you read my post well, I think I explained the relationship between myself and the kids.
No body exploits kids without the law taking its place.

You don’t understand me mate I get the part you said you are close to the children but still if you are teaching them a poem which obviously isn’t something anyone is used to then I believe the parent has the right to know about it.

And I don’t think you would be telling the parent you made up a poem with some reminders on your seed phrase then teaching their kids the poem so they can learn it and keep reminding you.

Also what if you are a long term holders and knowing how kids grow fast how can you be in control of the kids memory for a long time? And also they can relocate or some other things, I generally feel it won’t work even if your intentions aren’t negative.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

The kids surely don't know about seed phrases
And the people around wouldn't have a clue of what is happening.
This could be a good way to save my seed phrase since it is not advisable to memorise it. Besides, all the kids memories cannot fail simultaneously.

Why do you want to make things complicated when you can just write your seed phrases on a piece of paper and save two or more copies of it at different places?
When you memorize children with your seed phrases, you never know if those kids will reproduce that song to their friends and to the general public. For sure someone may be clever to find a certain pattern on the poem and try their luck.

Do not trust your own memory or anyone's memory on seed phrases. One thing which you MUST understand about memory is that the memory to remember certain words only remain intact if you repeat them daily. If you stop respecting those seed phrases daily, the memory will start to fade out and eventually you will forget the phrases.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

The kids surely don't know about seed phrases
And the people around wouldn't have a clue of what is happening.
This could be a good way to save my seed phrase since it is not advisable to memorise it. Besides, all the kids memories cannot fail simultaneously.

They don't know about it now, but they might figure it out in the future. They might look up Bitcoin, how it's stored, learn about seeds and then put two and two together and realize that you made them memorize one.

Similarly, other people might notice the weird structure of the song and realize it's a seed.

Maybe the memories can't fail simultaneously, but they can all fail with time. If they won't frequently repeat it, they will forget it, the change of it happening in the long run is quite high.

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just for fun, instead of creating a song out of it, try creating a poem, I feel like a poem would be more suitable. anyway, I very much agree with what o_e_l_e_o has said, it would be far better to just write them down, make copies of them then securely hide them.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 25, 2023, 02:03:36 PM

No offense, but that's an awful idea.

It's Well noted, after due consideration, the idea may be discarded.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 25, 2023, 02:03:36 PM

You shouldn't trust your own memory to remember a seed phrase; you definitely shouldn't trust the memory of a child. Easy for them to mix up a few words and then you've lost access. Also, what will you do when the children stop visiting?

In this case I am not dealing with a child but children. And there is no how all the children will mix up the words at same time.
If they stopped visiting or let's say they grow old, by then the song would have sink into myown head also.
The idea that the song may become viral is a concern. Even if the immediate people don't understand, maybe the people of the future will decode.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on April 25, 2023, 02:03:36 PM

You should write them down and find three different secure places to hide them. Even if you hide all three together, this will still be significantly more secure than teaching your seed phrases to a bunch of children.

Noted with thanks...

Quote from: CryptoHeadlineNews on April 25, 2023, 02:42:18 PM

Just an ordinary 3 seed phrase you could manage to create and yet here you are complaining about burden? So what will people who have 5 and above then say if I may ask?

You, do you own upto 5 wallet addresses and saved their phrases very well?
If I may ask, what do you do with 5 wallet addresses? Do you even understand what I meant by burden or you just jumped into the conversation

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Firstly if you aren’t the children legal teacher or someone employed by the parent to handle those children I would say you exploiting the children to your own benefit which if I am the parent I would definitely not be cool with it.

I do not understand how exploitation came in, if you read my post well, I think I explained the relationship between myself and the kids.
No body exploits kids without the law taking its place.

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Quote from: Zoomic on April 25, 2023, 01:55:29 PM

I now have 3 different key phrases to safely guide. It is now a burden to me to write the three down and keep all in the same place. What if there is a problem with one, all would also be affected.

Just an ordinary 3 seed phrase you could manage to create and yet here you are complaining about burden? So what will people who have 5 and above then say if I may ask? I see no reason why you @ O.P should be worried about here in as much as you can indicate which seed phrase belongs to which wallet, and everything is solved as that can be written either on the same paper or different papers and still stored at the same spot, in as much as it's safe and secure

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Then, I came up with this weird idea of teaching kids around me a song that they will sing. I am a friend to many kids. They come around and read their poems for me and lots more.
How about if I form a song with my seed phrase and teach them to learn it and sing always. That could solve my problem.

So of what benefits will this be to the kids you intend to teach this kind of awful song? Because if you don't mind, I think this is one of the funniest statement I have ever heard since the beginning of this new year 2023.

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Firstly if you aren’t the children legal teacher or someone employed by the parent to handle those children I would say you exploiting the children to your own benefit which if I am the parent I would definitely not be cool with it.

Children are good are repetition and cramming song to an extent that’s true but they aren’t good in keeping secrets and definitely would tell their family when asked and a weird song that no one has had of would raise suspicion and the range of words can trigger someone who into crypto (which is now widely spread) to understand that it could be a seed phrase.
If you are putting you recollecting you seed phrase in the hands of kids by giving them a poem that also contains other words, what are your chances of knowing which words are actually your seed phrase?

Regardless it’s wrong using children that way especially when they aren’t yours.

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No offense, but that's an awful idea.

You shouldn't trust your own memory to remember a seed phrase; you definitely shouldn't trust the memory of a child. Easy for them to mix up a few words and then you've lost access. Also, what will you do when the children stop visiting?

Secondly, you have no idea just how many people will hear them repeat the song. They might go around singing it in public, on a bus, on the street, etc. Simply hoping that no one realizes it is a seed phrase is a recipe for disaster.

You should write them down and find three different secure places to hide them. Even if you hide all three together, this will still be significantly more secure than teaching your seed phrases to a bunch of children.

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I had written down and saved my seed phrase before now. But after I asked questions about SegWit wallet and knew its importance. I decided to practice it. Little Mouse and o_e_l_e_o guided me. Although I didn't do it excellently but I'll get it well when I'm with both of my devices.

But after setting up electrum on both my devices, including the trust wallet phrase I had already, I now have 3 different key phrases to safely guide. It is now a burden to me to write the three down and keep all in the same place. What if there is a problem with one, all would also be affected.

Then, I came up with this weird idea of teaching kids around me a song that they will sing. I am a friend to many kids. They come around and read their poems for me and lots more.
How about if I form a song with my seed phrase and teach them to learn it and sing always. That could solve my problem.

The kids surely don't know about seed phrases
And the people around wouldn't have a clue of what is happening.
This could be a good way to save my seed phrase since it is not advisable to memorise it. Besides, all the kids memories cannot fail simultaneously.

Example of seed phrase:
Empty Damage Second Fault
Vibrant Find Food Joy
Ocean Name Nature Noodles

Example of Seed phrase song. With the seed phrase words repeated twice x2 in the song to emphasis them.

An empty brain will damage your thinking faculty in a second. Fault no man, be vibrant and find good food. Your joy will flow like the ocean and your name will sound like nature when you eat noodles .

Happy read and how is the idea, weird I think??

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