Topic: Scam accusation against... Myself and my partner (Read 4545 times)

Hello

You don't own one but you administrate one.
When you say I have a ponzi you already say I'm a scammar
I don't say you are a scammars but anyway

I'm not promoting them and never was.
I just said I reinvested, and I got paid out. So everyone else in the thread should also be charged with promoting their ponzis? They said they got paid out, they said they are reinvesting, so they are criminals too?
The point of the HYIP section of this forum is that there is a risk, and we have all accepted that risk and understood it.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/funtotry-181802 funtotry

Notes of interest, he's still promoting thegambler/moriea's ponzis (cryptoinvest at the moment, haven't looked further back).  If anyone is planning on bringing charges against Volpe, this guy would probably be worth a subpoena as well.

If you say so.

When we will have the BTC back ?

I didn't actually give him access, he requested the reset through blockchain support when I was asleep, and for some reason they give him the key.

your total loss at the account in question at bitdice is >9btc.

The other situation that played a role in you scamming was your over 9 BTC loss at bitdice. You probably ended up loosing money at some other casino.

What your partner said did not reduce that fact that you are responsible. As I mentioned to you via PM, it was your fault for giving moreia access to the private keys to the wallet that contained customer/investor funds

It was mentioned on the twitter that important posts could be manually dug up from the remains, or at least attempted, if they don't appear in the backup that was restored. Try PM'ing theymos if you want him to try.

Wow bitcointalk.org was down. Just reading over this thread and found that the message from my partners alt saying that he did it got deleted...

You, sir, are delusional.

You made (or tried to make) money off of peoples backs, knowing that at the end someone will hold a bag. This is immoral, and the cute packaging of your story does not change this at all. And now, you're using euphemisms like "charity" to make the community pay because your scam didn't work out well for you? Come on, show some balls. Get a fucking job.

Im not running any sites right now. I was planning to do a charity one to raise funds for this.

…and you cannot do physical work because you're lacking hands or feet?
Just get your crap together, apply for a job at a local fastfood restaurant where you have a guarantee of being paid, work for a month or two and you're done. Are you a man or are you a child?

I find it very entertaining how my watch list of ponzi threads light up with replies from their "owner" pretty much the same time as the infamous williamj2543 is also online defending his twisted motives to squeeze yet more BTC out of the community

I mainly do bitcoin gambling sites, I made a wheel script, dice script, coinflip script, and blackjack script but I have no vps to test this (blackjack script requires a VPS to run, my others one can have manually added balance as well).
I can do web development, or more custom gambling games.

the question is what kind of work could he do? anyone knows? he said he has a Black Jack script ready but didnt show it yet

If he's stepping away from that "signature campaign" bollocks, it's not going to be hard. It's one month of work.
However, I have a hard time taking someone for serious who says he is willing to pay back scammed customers, but refuses to take his own money or to do actual work to pay them back.

How about honesty and doing the right thing? It's not going to be easy and you're going to have to work hard to recover the money but that's the price you pay. You can either try do the right thing or just walk away but you can't blame it on signature campaigns.

A signature campaign? Wtf?

You seriously do not see any other way than joining a signature campaign to pay your investors back? I cannot believe it. It's the signature campaign's fault…? 
If I ever owed someone money, or if I told my health insurance that they have to wait for their money because "I cannot join a signature campaign on bitcointalk right now" - how would they react?

Just take some 10% of your paycheck and pay back investors slowly. If you don't have a paycheck because you're unemployed, go to freakin Mc Donalds, work there for several weeks and you're done. They take everyone. The job is shitty, but if you're honest in your intentions, it'll do fine for that purpose.

But stop that "signature campaign" bullshit, please.

any new payments?

@OP, Learn 2 format.

+my 2.1 BTC from the first round = ~12 BTC left to be paid back and if you are not paying arbitrary, I should be paid first, as it is the oldest obligation.

It would also take a long time to make this using coding, but I am trying to do this as well.
If I sell 20 dice scripts I can make this money back...
Signature campaign would allow me to pay back about 0.4 or 0.5 per month which would quickly clear up all the small investments.

a signature campaign will bring you 10 BTC? are you sure? why not coding and offer your work?

I have decided that a good way to make this back honestly is to join a signature campaign, but I have been banned from them due to my negative trust.
How am I supposed to pay this back if I am not allowed due to my negative trust? It is a paradox. I can't make this money because I have negative trust, and I have negative trust BECAUSE I cannot make this money.
You are making it extremely hard for me in paying you back, there is honestly no reason I have to stay here and try to help.

When do you plan to start to refund the people ?

I have about 10.5 or 10 btc left that I have to pay. Someone sent 2 btc which I am not liable to pay (over the limit, so counted as donation), so this amount could be about 8.5, but I have decided to pay him 1.5 instead of the 2 btc, but also at the end of the queue.

However now I'm sure that moreia tried to hack my account , I know from the beginning he was not an honest person.  @williamj2543  how much should you pay now ?

@williamj2543

why dont you sell your black jack script?

Damn, I really wasn't expecting this from you williamj2543. I never trusted moreia, but I did trust you to some extend. This proofs once again that people on here shouldn't be trusted and that I'm way to trusting. Will fix that ASAP.

Also going to clean up my trust ratings, don't want people to get fucked because of my positive rating. Will change ratings from positive to neutral on people that I have successfully dealt with, but have no other ratings or remove it all together, depending on the trade, etc.

Every day new stories , this forum is awesome ! so is kerimk2 an alt account of williamj2543 ? However I've left a negative feedback , thanks to quickseller for the proofs.

This isn't exactly his MO, and the amount is somewhat small beans for TF's standards, however there is still a connection.

Ponzi is scam, the one who is running a ponzi is a scammer, regardless of running away with the money or not.....

I doubt that it's Tradefortress. There's many users here from Australia.

120.21.43.1 shows as being a Vodaphone address (australia)

14.203.73.190 shows a broadband address in Southbank Australia (near Melbourne).

Tradefortress is apparently from Australia, maybe they are one and the same?

A simple Skype IP resolve reveals flickedswitch's unmasked IP address: 120.21.43.1

Kid doesn't seem to know what he's doing. Running off with 13 Bitcoin? Low act.

Edit. flickedswitch's alternate IP: 14.203.73.190

The kid's using TPG as his ISP and Vodafone as, I'd assume, his cellular provider it seems.

I see. To be honest, I don't know how much I could trust your story, but I do appreciate that you didn't disappeared and plan to pay people back.

But, I doubt if you can really make 13 btc back with ponzi fee.
The ponzi craze is starting to die IMO. The number of ponzi is going up but the number of players is going down. Weeklyponzi received over 700 btc in the first week, less than 200 in the second week, and I expect it to continue dropping. With the mess of your your previous ponzi, it would be 10x harder for you to get players.

Our investments were never paid, no one invested after us and we were at the top of the list. Also we usually just spammed 0.01 6 times.
Please help me resolve this issue, with patience, I can slowly pay back.

First, well done Quickseller.


So both of you invested in your own ponzi, and earned not only from the ponzi fee but also trying to make 130% profit with the real players' bitcoin, am I correct?
If it is true, I think the negative trust is justified even without the 13 btc scam by you or your partner.

Many people here seem to assume that acting as escrow is without risk. It isn't, escrow is responsible for paying out of their own pocket if they somehow lose access to the funds they have been entrusted with.

You tried to distance yourself until Quickseller matched up the dots then you came clean, you didn't "come out to the community":

I guess we will have you handle the fees then.
I actually did not admit to scamming, I admitted to being the partner to him, and running these 3 sites which were intended to be honest, except my partner ran away.
I did admit to being dishonest, but promoting ponzis is not a rule.
Think of it like this
Why the hell would I come back and own up to being a Co-Owner instead of just going out and making a Ponzi site with no "Visible" connections to the scams?
I could easily make a fake throwaway account and people would invest. I came out to the community because I wanted to regain these funds, and help repay the people who lost almost 2000$ worth of bitcoins.
I could have EASILY hid away and not made that post, and none of this would've happened.
I lost my fucking 2.5 btc in this, which I made honestly and not stealing from people.
It seems like you don't want me to help in repaying the people who got scammed?

You admitted to scamming and being dishonest in your original post. You broke multiple forum rules to promote these ponzis. Collaborated with moreia through skype on how to squeeze the most money out of unsuspecting users. You must be fucking delusional if you think anyone would trust you or would want to help you. The people who gambled/threw their money away on your ponzis are going to have suck up the loss as a bad decision.

You are still trying to scam as you are not acknowledging the missing investments of the first weekly round, where around 3-4 BTC were falsely not paid out. I say it again, just look at the blockchain and the timestamps of the investments:

https://blockchain.info/tx/7c71bbf7029efd6e4ab24dc7901187844bb8ed9e04fb972c32cff51e3f0ca1fa
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/f9d45e279cacb152c5198680777f69ad232385b0bdedda892fc1155b3cb97fa7
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/1fde6df09a3e32fd4600f91ad5cbdf76206829f818c6ea9251bd0dbca7faef7b
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/1ecb83473ec78f2e3c82e6b02da57af0b54d17a20733bf40288294cd04b7d2be

I'll do the escrow for a 1% fee if you wish. The funds would be stored on an offline machine.

No personal funds are risked, just generate a new address and hold the fees. Hold them until you get enough to pay back investors, do something good for the community.
Payments don't need to be THAT often, maybe 1 or 2 at a time, you wouldn't be running the ponzi (unless the community wants to put the trust on someone else), you would receive fees automatically periodically, and when you have enough like 2btc, pay back whoever you can.

If you need an escrow, I might do it for a small fee depending on how often I need to make payments out. Does the escrow need to pay out every person who plays in the ponzi?

I do not act as escrow. I am not willing to risk my personal funds in the unlikely event that the bitcoin is somehow stolen, not do I want to put in the time/effort into repaying victims for a scam that I warned people against getting into.

The ponzi that I will use to regain funds is going up in an hour. For the investors who want their funds back, please support me in getting your money back. If a trusted user (quickseller could be used) could give me their address to be used as a fees wallet (to hold fees to pay back) that would be fantastic. I probably will have more trouble getting investments if you keep shouting me down, so if you want your monewy back please try to help.

I thought that had been determined a long time ago? people had doubts?

Its about time Moreia turned out to be a scammer. Called that one from a MILE away.

I was one of the first investors in that round and wasn't paid, though I should've been, even acknowledged by you or your business partner, who promised to refund us falsely not paid out investors:

Tx_IDs of investments:
https://blockchain.info/tx/7c71bbf7029efd6e4ab24dc7901187844bb8ed9e04fb972c32cff51e3f0ca1fa
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/f9d45e279cacb152c5198680777f69ad232385b0bdedda892fc1155b3cb97fa7
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/1fde6df09a3e32fd4600f91ad5cbdf76206829f818c6ea9251bd0dbca7faef7b
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/1ecb83473ec78f2e3c82e6b02da57af0b54d17a20733bf40288294cd04b7d2be

TheGamber is an alt of Spoodermen therefore he is an alt of moreia

Thank you for pointing out spoderman, he alos has a username called Regular Guy on hacked forums who was advertising as well
http://www.hackforums.net/member.php?action=profile&uid=2263165
Anyone else have moreia alts?

Moreia=flickedswitch=Spodermen

Unsurprising, since this has been pretty obvious for a while, at least there is solid proof now.

https://archive.today/0nZbj

Of course, do as you wish, when the 13 btc is paid back you can all remove it.
As for this:
https://blockchain.info/tx/86e500c12af5e2123da28f489da62ab6a7409d66d44a1bc50661d532072d1e82
This payment is VERY old and no scamming happened in that round.

How about this one, do I get my investment back?

https://blockchain.info/tx/86e500c12af5e2123da28f489da62ab6a7409d66d44a1bc50661d532072d1e82

Evidence is NO WHERE NEAR enough to remove neg feedback, it shall remain  

You should probably have not invested in the first place in ponzis.

I myself don't have any, but I can't say the same thing for moreia.
Kerimk2 and williamj2543 are the only accounts I have control over (I dont even know if he changed the password to kerimk2).
Thank you for the vouch p2phash, I hope people can beleive me and know that I am telling the truth,

I just received my investment in nextponzi back:
https://blockchain.info/tx/bb702c38cd38b9fde73b27903870c44c9ee165b6d99e4d8e025408ddabff2fbe

Wiliam seems really honest and I feel for him being scammed by that guy :/

Do you have any other alts that you have not disclosed? If so can you admit to them being your alts and have them post here?

All the ponzi accounts related to autoponzi, nextponzi, and bitcoinponzi.io have all been made by him, I don't know of his alts, but im sure he has lots.
Kerimk2 was our other alt as well
I will be paying out funds from my PERSONAL profits from other programming jobs. I am in the same hole as the investors, I am responsible in paying out 13 btc, which is lots of money.
Quickseller, making a ponzi makes a LOT of fees from profit, and if you have any other suggestions that would be good. Dice sites for example are a huge market, so it would be impossible to get large exposure and also make a profit since hte house edge is only 1 or 2%
Ponzis on the other hand have a 5% fee, and zero risk on the operators part.
If a trusted member or escrow would like to run this "charity" escrow (I would provide the code and you can check it, install it and be completely seperate from me). You could own the blockchain wallet, and I would have zero affiliation with the wallet or the hosting site that you would run it on.
I really would like to get the investors funds back and am trying my hardest to clear this.
Do not trust ANYTHING from flickedswitch or moreia in the future.
This is the ponzi address which moreia stole from: https://blockchain.info/address/1NeXTV2saPTQvVYo937MTbipuxYYYXaV8p
I will be paying back all inputs to that address
First TX paid back to some investors, total of 2.5 paid back
https://blockchain.info/tx/bb702c38cd38b9fde73b27903870c44c9ee165b6d99e4d8e025408ddabff2fbe
All these have been taken from the deposit address, site is down I know.

and do you have database of the investors from that round? site is down, so can't really see the addresses etc.

where are you going to send 2.5 BTC? are you planning to refund investors?

Looks like you just doxed moreia, or should I say flickedswitch. Lots of info out there linked to that Skype handle. It's definitely moreia.

I am sorry but anyone who would invest any money in a ponzi that you admitted to running that stole money from their investors is an idiot. That is not how you can pay investors back. If you have any person fiat funds or bitcoin funds then you should use that.

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Who are moreia's other alt accounts? What proof do you have that they are his alts?

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Bingo and bingo

I assure you that it is not BS.
I don't have time for fomratting and IM sure the people who lost 13 btc don't have time either.
I will be sending out 2.5 btc in the help for this cause (all that I have left, dipping into my cold storage)
TXIDS will be posted here.

Christ man, formatting.

Also, your story sounds like absolute BS.

I would like to add that the reason I didn't take the thought of running a ponzi by myself seriously was that I did not have the skills to get this off the ground and advertise it.
I did not have access to any of the accounts used for our ponzis:
autoponzi
nextponzi
bitcoinponzi.io
and whatever others he made.
Kerimk2 however was mine, but he took over while releasing autoponzi

Hello,
Many of you know me as a php programmer selling scripts.
I made good money off of that, and aim to do so in the future.
I had great products that people liked, and people trusted.
I participated on these forums for almost 2 years, and am almost a hero account. Built my trust up, and am hoping to increase doing so.
About half a year to a year ago my friend wanted to participate in some sig campaigns to make some money so he made an account for it, and he asked me to make some posts every so often (he got bored after about 28 activity) to increase the activity to full or senior.
Friend hasn't been on since then, dont blame him.
Anyways, only campaign that I could join was 777coin, he lost his address so I temporarily just changed it to my own.
Made a tiny amount of btc, doesn't really have any significance.
Continued selling dice scripts, doing coding (all code is fine, nothing malicious, my trust and feedback can back me up on that), made some money.
First time I discovered ponzis I was skeptical, but eventually I trusted them more in that they are honest and transparent. This was in the last ponzi boom about a year ago during march.
Ponzi ended, and then about 2 weeks ago ponzis started up again, but first let me tell you how I met my scammer partner.
About a month ago I met my partner (moreia) over email. He offered me 1.7 btc for a reselling license for my dice scripts. If anyone is inquiring about this partnership with dice scripts you can ask in this thread (looking to keep this as public as possible)
Good partner, he got lots of sales and I made good comission, this guy knows how to sell stuff. We had a good partnership going on, made some profit, people liked our scripts, everything was going good.
Leading up to about 2 weeks ago when weeklyponzi.com started. I was the 4th investor in that, I was excited that ponzis came up again, they were a lot of fun. reinvested 4 times, total volume was about 700 btc or something in the first week, the owner made 40 btc in fees (about 10,000$ usd). I thought in my head that it would be cool to run one of these, but its a big project and I didn't want to have to deal with it myself, I never though that I would be running one.
Moreia sent me an email the next day asking if we wanted to partner up (skype message here: http://gyazo.com/e79cb94eacbcda9611ae3284f790c055) on something like this!
I never scammed anyone before (and I never planned on it) because I spent SO many hours on this account and work. I built my reputation up and I figured running a large trustworthy site would make me even more trustworthy, earning me profits in the ponzi fees and from my dice scripts.
I agreed, this would be a lot of fun, and now I have a partner who is great at selling things (he has a bunch of alts and people he knows that could pump this up).
We first set up nextponzi.com, worked out well, people liked our site, we made almost a btc in fees (split 50/50 between us) and we both thanked eachother for having this great idea.
Nextponzi weekly died down and we wanted to set up some more sites to keep the excitement of fees coming in (we reinvested in our own websites to help keep it going)
We set up 48 hour, that worked out greatly as well.
We made fake accounts to avoid getting our accounts trashed which all the ponzi accounts did.
Nextponzi was good, but 48 hour died again and we made 1 more site, autoponzi. Nextponzi had some problems with the api (blockchain was terrible and this ended in skipped transactions), and in the thread there was lots of bugs shown, which were all fixed. We started up autoponzi (kerimk2 account was used), hoping to make that bigger without some bugs holding it down, it worked great but blockchain banned our ips and resulted in long response times. It had a bad start due to the IP being banned the first hour in.
Since autoponzi had lots of time put into it and we were going to advertise/give the most care to it, we were going to use the kerimk2 account. Having a full member running this would result in more trust at the default, people trust full members more than newbies. I gave him ownership of the kerimk2 account, password and username, and he took over bumping it and posting elsewhere (I think he tried to make a ban appeal and tried to evade being banned, this was not the doing of me)
We sorted out the IP, but we were sitll having problems with connecting to blockchain.info API, so we scratched blockchain and created our final site bitcoinponzi.io. We then converted all our old sites to the chain.com api which was amazing and allowed us to process thousands of TXs per second. bitcoinponzi.io worked out great, we had no problems and everything was working good.
Some rounds were restarting, our first restart went well on the 48 hour, and then I think auto was restarted, these all went well, moreia did a good job in restarting these rounds.
Finally came the nextponzi.com round change (weekly) which was this morning. He generated new addresses, we were all ready.
Didn't pay much attention to it. saw the deposits on the site, but noticed they were confirmed and not paid (13 btc total). Saw the message at the top saying problem with the API so he manually sent them. Seemed a bit fishy, but I trusted him with loads of btc before so I thought he was being truthful. He wasn't responding to skype messages about this, but he lives in australia, on opposite time zones and he usually took a while to respond to my messages.
He sent the 13 btc to here https://blockchain.info/address/1EJFxW8DV9m5gUnN84z1KPMrDeCYAVAhoW
And at around 3 or 4 confirmations, I checked the thread first to see what people were thinking, i then checked the address, and then I realised it. He used shared sent to get his bitcoins away from that address (if anyone can trace it or something that would be great, but that probably wouldn't help us resolved it).
Messaged him a couple more times on skype before he blocked me and then I got EXTREMELY mad. I had some investors lose 13 btc, more than a thousand dollars worth of btc to this guy.
He then replied to me about an hour later using a hushmail address
Email screenshot here http://gyazo.com/6f388cd46fc48c18fef80fcb287d7b66
I formatted it a bit (A lot) in the thread to show people he ran away with the money. I wanted to distance myself from this, since I was not the one who stole the money, and am not responsible for that money. I figured running a new ponzi site honestly would be the only way to recover some money through fees, and eventually I could repay my investors.
Leading me up to an hour ago, I made a post (you all quoted this, this was my writing and I know what I said) saying he replied to me giving the option of "transferring ownership" to me.
I messaged quickseller, shorena, and redsn0w about running an honest ponzi, and proving that I was legit (instead of instantly neg bombing me).
And then due to quicksellers excellent detective skills, saw how kerimk2 posted a while ago how he wanted to change the payout address to mine, and then I knew I was found out. People know that the 3 sites were connected, and now they knew I was a part of them. No sense in defending myself, and the only way to recover that 13 btc is to come out honestly and explain my situation.
For the people skeptical about my "partner" being the ones stealing the funds, and maybe they think it was me, you can look at his posts (he was banned for ban evasion on the alt accounts) and how closely he was related to ponzis, trying to justify them and all that. You can see the trust he left on how we were partnered up, and I can show you the skype messages, PMs, emails, if you are doubting me telling the truth.

My solution to this, is continuing to run ponzi sites, under this account, and giving FTP access to a reputable escrow (redsn0w is sort of involved in this, I sent him a PM about the legitimacy of running an escrow) who would be there to verify my scripts, maybe giving him the email access to the blockchain wallet, maybe fully restricting me from touching the wallet or the files).
And the fees being linked to an address held by redsn0w. We would pay out all 13 btc over time (starting from the bottom), and hopefully resolve this situation.
Doing some quick math, if we charged 5% fees on this, we would have to reach 260 btc volume to be able to earn 13 btc in fees.
This is reachable in under a month, nextponzi raised over 100 volume in about a week, and if ran by a trusted (now untrusted, im referring to this account) account and having the fees going to an address owned by redsn0w, we could easily reach this volume in a month, and to pay back each 0.5 btc investment we would have to raise 10 btc in volume, which auto reached 40. I beleive that we can recover these funds, and I will volunteer to help recover this money to regain my trust.

I am deeply sorry in partnering, lesson learned the only one you can trust is yourself.
If anyone has any questions about this post, or wants further proof (email thread of partnership, full skype log), please post here.
I reach out to the escrows, whoever wants to help me with recovering this 13 btc.