Topic: Scam accusation : FuckIdolPlus - Illegally selling Microsoft Product keys (Read 2146 times)

Sir you are just wasting your time engaging with this arsehole. I think you should just ignore him. He'll get tired pretty soon
Regards

Software piracy is using software without having a proper licence. Which is the case for people buying these keys.


Software piracy is a crime. I said it again.



I am not a lawyer. If you want to know the exact legal definitions consult your lawyer. Or pay me a good lawyers fee + 10% and I'll hire one for you to find out. Or just go sell keys like all the sellers here without hiding your identity and see what happens if Microsoft files a claim. If you really think that being a little ring leader in a software piracy case is not going to get you convicted you might end up disappointed/incarcerated.

What part of, "Here have this $100+ product for $5" makes you believe they're honest sellers? Whether people buying those keys leave feedback or not does not relate to me giving feedback. And I am not "merely" speculating they are involved in distrustful business. I stand by my feedback. You can go on and refuse to see what is right in front of. That's fine with me.

piracy = making illegal copies of software (not illegal in all jurisdictions BTW)
Using educational versions of keys  = a terms of service violation, not software piracy. A user may very well have a legally produced MS issued copy of the software disk.


No, but it not being a crime means it is not a crime.

Violations of civil agreements and potential lawsuits ARE NOT CRIMINAL LAW. Please reference actual criminal statues under which you believe "enabling piracy" is made illegal.


Tell me please, what evidence do you have that what they are doing is fraudulent other than your own power of speculation? Why is it that harmed users can not leave negative ratings for themselves? What do you feel gives you the authority to preemptively harm the reputations of retailers you merely speculate MAY be engaged in illegal activity without actual evidence of this?

They actually have a licensing white paper. You can download it from here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=13350

The relevant part is here:

It's not a grey area. Just because you didn't caught doesn't mean it's not a crime. The chance of being caught is admittedly very small, that is probably why you don't have an issue breaking the law so easily.



You have a very naive definition of scam. The best scams do deliver, at least for a while. It's a confidence game. In this case the scam is that the keys may allow you to activate your product but in no ways allow you licence to use it. This means that the software may fail at any time and that the buyer is potentially liable for software piracy.


I used to mention before that I am not a lawyer. Software piracy is illegal in many jurisdictions. Selling these keys is against to EULA/TOS. I strongly disagree with your assessment of the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is more like a buyer gets sued, found guilty and will have to pay a multi-million dollar fine. It has happened for people who downloaded a few songs. Are you telling me, definitively, that it will not happen to someone using unlicensed Windows, Word, Outlook, Powerpoint and Excel?
I can not definitively say that selling keys is also illegal, but I reckon enabling piracy will in many jurisdiction also be plain illegal. In addition all the sellers are misleading their "customers" with false claims. ("Legit", "lifetime warranty" and what not). See below for me having a life...



If you look at my history I've been posting replies in other sales threads as well. I am not singling out FuckIdolPlus. The other sellers, though, took my comments and left it at that. FuckIdolPlus blew a fuse and that caused some extra attention. Also, I am a single individual, I do have a life and I don't have time to chase down every shady business on here.

I choose to pick on those selling Starbucks gift cards (because they cause credit card fraud and do harm to individuals) and Microsoft product key sellers. My approach is fairly simple: I make it explicit that what they're doing is fraudulent. If, at any time, an authority goes after these dealer and/or their customers they will have a hard time claiming ignorance.

If no authority will ever take action then so be it.

I also wonder why do you target this specific individual? From what I could see he is no different that any other MSDN dealer out there, and we have 10+ of such dealers here on bitcointalk. If you are really "scambusters" please go against every single one of them. Now you are just making other sellers profit more.

Good to see you have joined the ranks of self proclaimed "scambusters" nut. Keep working hard and some day you too can have no life.

NOTE: Selling these keys is not a CRIMINAL act. At worst it may be considered a violation of terms of service which would be a CIVIL claim. The title of this op itself is misleading.

Your right on that one, i did make a mistake even thinking about giving those codes to my customers.

I have then corrected myself by buying from a single trustworthy source. MSDN codes are not shady, unless you give them to someone like FuckIdolPlus ofcourse, otherwise they are "essentially" the same thing from a software perspective. Stress on the software perspective part.

Reselling cheap, shady codes is supposed to cause "big issues" with your customers.

I have bought from one of FuckIdolPlus's alt accounts, turned out to be a scam, and the keys he gave me as "compensation" didnt work and caused me big issues with my customers.

To me, scam means you give them money and don't get anything in return.

This doesn't seem like so much of a scam; buyers know (or, at least SHOULD know based on the price they're paying) that they're buying something that is suspect. You might not like that, but unless Microsoft or the BSA comes down on Theymos, I don't see the "harm".

There's absolutely nothing different between this and the multitudes of Netflix logins, duty free cigarettes, HBOGO accounts, and all the rest. Or do you go after each of those sellers accounts too?

And yes, I know my account is a newbie, but I am certainly not a sock puppet. Just wondering why you're choosing to make a big deal on this one specific case.

Here's the thread that he was buying .edu domain email addresses: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wtb-edu-email-975708

If we can't trust FuckIdolPlus...

...I ask you gentelmen

FuckIdolPlus is pulling a scam.  By his own words once his illegal (stolen/hacked) MSDN subscription expires, so do all the keys that he sold.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10845852

If you look in the terms and conditions it says that keys are for evaluating purposes only and so technically wouldn't be considered legal. Also once you stop your subscription keys will eventually stop working too.

Here is some more info https://forum.raymond.cc/threads/the-legality-aspects-of-using-msdn-technet-subscription-license-and-the-ugly-truth.18251/

LOL not stolen, but as the OP said these keys are in the grey area.

Any chance you could post a link that backs up the fact that it is against the EULA/TOS to sell MSDN subscriptions like this?

Seems like you just admitted that they are stolen.

That is why I have PayIvy links, it's anonymous.

So you are selling your college's MSDN keys, and he is the screwed up one here? You realize that's not only a violation of Microsoft's TOS, but also a federal crime? What if someone were to contact one of your buyers, and acquire one of your sold keys? You realize how easy it is to track this, correct?

Never mind I'll just ignore you. You are one screwed up person. I'm NOT asking you to buy from me these MSDN keys. Just leave it. Have a good life ahead.

You are not allowed to sell product keys from an MSDN subscription. Read your EULA. Or google it.

I concede that your self-moderated thread is over a week old. It doesn't change much though. I throw back that I did not ruin your reputation. I've made the same comments in threads for other sellers, yet they're still actively running their illegal business. You can ask yourself what you did different from them to get a different result.

I sent you this PM. Let it be public. Let everyone know what kind of screwed up personality you are.

(reserved, just in case)

What happened:
FuckIdolPlus is one of the many people on here selling Microsoft product codes they generate from MSDN subscriptions. These subscriptions themselves are also obtained in fraudulent ways.

They opened a normal sales thread, but apparantly they didn't like me pointing out that they're not allowed to sell those codes. They actually went as far as to threaten me in a pm. Then they decided to request that thread to be deleted and they opened a new moved back to a self-moderated thread instead. And of course they have deleted my reply there.


This is a blatant lie. You're selling keys that you produce from an MSDN account. It is not allowed to sell those. That means Microsoft can, at any time, revoke those keys.


Once again a lie, see above. Unless with lifetime you mean, "As long as I can be bothered" which most likely translates to about 1 week.

Their behaviour and attitude show typical signs of being a scammer. I strongly advise not to deal with them.


Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fuckidolplus-409225

Reference Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--987244 (current, self moderated) and https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/del-the-thread-996280 (old archived)
Amount Scammed: Unknown
Payment Method: BTC only
Proof of Payment: N/A
PM/Chat Logs: N/A
Additional Notes: This user claims to have sold a legendary account. They may have scammed with it, then sold it and are now back to scam some more.


Edit: Actually the self-moderated thread existed already. They just moved back there when they didn't like my feedback in the new thread. Updated the post to reflect this.