Topic: Scam Accusation Thread [Resolved] (Read 19331 times)

So we get our week end drama dose now.. :|

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you  shall never know, i have my eyes on you little one.  live long and prosper. 

Dad, is that you? You say the same stuff at home as well -.-

Oops! i inadvertently revealed some thing i should  not have.   i swear to you  guys i am a  young 20-ish year old man.  pink swear.  cross my heart and hope to  die. there i have set the record  straight.

Lol  Benson one shot two birds.

My Dad has this same problem. He says it comes from the days when the typewriter space bar would never work on the first attempt.

Man, I always wanted to ask the same.. And I am sure there exist few more poor souls who are roaming here and there wondering .. HOW and WHY

Cheers

noops its  an irritating  habit  of  hitting  the  space bar  twice. old  habits  die hard.

@subvolatil dude. I've been meaning to ask for a long time. Does your keyboard have a problem with the space key?

Adding Resolved Status, and changing topic name.

End it already sirji..

If everyone agrees that this has been resolved, of course.
You have agreed for Escrow, and my understanding was that this was the requirement to close this issue.

Anyone else have a problem with this being marked as resolved and the topic changed to Scam Accusation or merging into the reputations thread?

Thank you.

Could you please unpin the mtgox price link too?

Here is a pinning guideline I would say sounds good:

A thread showing people how they can go about mining is good. A thread promoting a mining company is bad.
A thread showing people how to compare buy-sell prices from various exchanges is good. A thread promoting mtgox exchange prices is bad.

Basically - pin information. Not specific companies or individuals.

And finally thank you for putting in your time and effort behind moderating. I'm sure its a thankless job - but the fact that you are listening and doing your best to promote bitcoins in India is applaud worthy!

If everyone agrees that this has been resolved, of course.
You have agreed for Escrow, and my understanding was that this was the requirement to close this issue.

Anyone else have a problem with this being marked as resolved and the topic changed to Scam Accusation or merging into the reputations thread?

Can I request for change in subject for this thread to Scam Accusation , rather than INRBTC Accusation thread.  If that is not possible, then atleast club it with Reputation thread for INRBTC

Missed this? in fact it has been done already.

EVERY transaction helps bitcoin spread across the community a bit faster.

I officially request you to pin every buyer or seller request thread.

If you had requested and if it was something that would have helped spread Bitcoin across the community a bit faster, YES.

This is not a good reason to pin a post. New members don't realize that you pin posts only because you see value in service provided - and that you have done nothing to vet them.

Pinning is an indicator of bias. It shows that the mod feels some threads have more importance than others. Moderators should not be biased towards any service related threads. They can pin threads related to public information about bitcoins.

That is my opinion.

Otherwise, please lay down the guidelines as to when you will pin posts.

I buy and sell bitcoins. But I do it in an individual capacity - not as a company. Will you pin my post?
I run a security on bitfunder.com. Will you pin my post?
I will help people buy anything from my local store for bitcoins - not flipkart - but my local store. Will you pin that post?

Your attempt to promote an ecosystem is just muddying the waters. Let the ecosystem build on its own. Don't pin threads just because someone asks you to pin it and its commercial in nature.

Thank you for listening.

Pinwheel accepting escrow or not is a business decision and it has some costs associated with it. It was a business decision not to accept escrow as it will add to our costs. Since escrow adds a extra safety layer to the other party, we have decided that anybody needs an extra safety layer can pay for the same. Others who would not need the escrow service should not share the burden of these extra costs.

Hence , we have decided that anybody who requests an escrow service will be given one. The escrow request will add some cost to the requester.

I do not have sticky now, thanks and I never asked before. more, you sticked my thread even without asking me.

This issue been discussed now, because you sticked/approved thread of guy who refuse escrow and nobody will doubt it is how all scammers will do their scams. More, he even now keeping that same stance and did not responded on my kind offer to continue our deal via escrow.

I would like the accusation part to be moved to the Indian Scam Accusations sub forum.

#offtopic
You lire, blaming your net connection to keyboard, this will not go well with NASA's plans of 2030.... Never mind mate, its all because of Monday morning without coffee

Cheers

What can I do if my Keyboard is slow..   

You should have replied to my last post mate, not this one   I am feeling like 2030 now where I am answering questions in future posts

Cheers

You have also had stickies mate! So has Pinwheel. How is this any different?
Why is this being picked up now?

Am good with all commercial deals coming off the stickies though. If it is a rule that will be for everyone, then there is no question of fairness as it will be across the board.

Oh and I would like to point out that Benson as mod never favored any one for sticky.. I know Pinwheel, My business, i-coin, INRBTC all of us getting sticky threads.

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I still need to go through whole thread, but as far as sticky concerns, I believe private business should not be sticky, as it MAY give impression that business is legit. I can recall the stickies of lenders and offers in lending sub forum ( before Pirate vanished landing and securities subforum used be the most happening place ) did not do well to community and most of them are having Scammer tag now.

My two satoshi

Cheers

I will post this in the staff/ moderator forum. If there is sufficient input to remove the skickies, I will do it.

You can label it a scam only if you have been deceived. Since you have done no such transactions, and clearly have not been "scammed" off your fiat you shouldn't be calling out. I have had no issues when transacting with INRBTC and in fact their support is really amazing (and i got my BTC transferred instantly). If you believe they aren't trustworthy coz they are not allowing escrow don't deal with them. Its as simple as that.

Benson! U are a fine mod. Its truly hard for anyone to replace you. To be frank, there is absolutely no one who can substitute his position. And pinwheel,  you have no clue about benson. You are not even half of him in terms of owning bitcoins, managing the indian forum and he is free to public. He knows most of the members on this forum. I meet him once in two to three weeks and he is a gentleman.
Sorry if sounded harsh,  bt its true.

Well, benson i should just unpin all buy/sell thread and keep official one or informational threads and let people advertisement of their services on their own.

It will be fair for all.

If you know someone personally or have faith in him, you can vouch for him in his thread.

any body can be wrong, me too. this service is just great I need it too. He tried to scam me you covering his ass, that is true too.

seller with no reputation refusing escrow is a scam!! If he agree for escrow all my offers still on the table. let him to show he mean business and I will apologizes to him.

INRBTC, if you want the accusation part of this thread to be redirected to the Indian Scam Accusations sub forum, do let me know.

If anyone apart from you has a problem with the way I mod, feel free to shout out. No one has yet made any observations apart from you. And you seem to get all your accusations wrong. ie: mukundh3, extracrunchy, axorb, now INRBTC, etc. So not sure if your observation on this one is correct as well.

It was stickied because it is a well needed service in India. After all, people need to do something with their Bitcoin.

are you collecting money for making it sticky? that I would understand, what could be other explanation, maybe you just naive. Either way you may need some help from other mods here, who can share their ways on how they managing things.

There is a board in place for scam accusations Pinwheel. Please take these problems there and you will see that not too many people will agree with you.


Yes, I did my homework and saw that his business has scope. He has been prompt and honest with his replies. He has a lot of positive reputation threads and he has exposed his public profile to few members here as well.

I did add your sale thread as a sticky as well and any other business that requests for it. Its not about patronage, but more about requests and balances.

I'm regular member here. I got into situation when seller tried to scam me. Whom attention I should relate, your of course. Because it is sticky it means approved by you.

making this thread sticky is a patronage, it means thread and business approved by MOD

please dont think that I want to top you off and take your position, I will not become MOD here even they will pay me good amount of money.

So is that what actually pissed you off? And you pulled me and other problems into this?
No one has my patronage, but everyone who enters has  my 100% understanding until they give me a reason to kick back.

How do you know when I came to know about Bitcoins? More half assed assumptions from you. If you think it was when I started a blog or this account, think again.

Why are you pulling me into every conversation? Even in PM with others?

Everyone you accuse seems to answer your questions. What more do you want?

What scams have I brought into Bitcoin? What is this business of 'MINE' that you are talking about? Do you even know what I do?

If you want more, please start a Bitcoin Regulation Agency (BRA), and see if you can control merchants. That is not a project that interests me.

You may want it to be seen as I intentionally ruining good businesses, it is not true. I like to see bitcoin business growing same as you. I give this guy a chance, 16000 inr for PSUs and 120000 exchange, I did not have intention to ruining him, I give him a chance, and he refused escrow asked me to pay in advance. And what is pissed me off most started lecturing me how to sale bitcoins. ANd why this shit feel so good here, because he has your patronage. What goes around comes around.

Benson you are not bringing bitcoins to India, bitcoins were in India long before you know about it. You bringing scams into bitcoins. you think it is all fun of been promoter of bitcoins, but once some one will get scammed and lost money, he will complain to police and at that moment, when they will grab you ass all fun ends. Get it clear in your head, your new businesses are CRIMINALS !!!! committing a crime under Indian penal code.

At some moment I had hope that maybe you  will wake up, not much left.

Because 1 person has a problem with every new business?

Apologies mate, but the forums are a good entry point for any business and I will not dissuade anyone from working here. Anyone who requests their thread to be pinned will be accommodated within reason.


I think we should raise this under the main scam accusations page and let the community moderate.
In fact, if you do not want to raise this under the scam accusations page, then you are a scammer trying to ruin businesses.

you not seen me hammering yet, but thanks will consider your advice

true  about that, cant  deny you  point. but he did make  a proposal  to  buy  in low  quantity  to  build trust. however He should  also  be in  position  to accept people  who  want to  go  through  escrow. 

So inrbtcad let  people  go through  escrow when  you  are  currently not  providing  your  identity.

Pinwheel stop  hammering  the  guys so much.  just  point  out  their  flaws. and  put up  you warning. if  others  get  scammed  its  the fault  of the others   who  did not  take  your  warning seriously. 

in any case it is not good enough to refuse escrow, he does not have any reputation here and refusing escrow (regardless of form of his business) make him a scammer.

I didn't  want to  weigh in but ....  


ok Firstly  Benson, this is the  reason why i told you not to pin/encourage a business  let businesses promote them  self. businesses can always  think and  innovate  was to provide  services and  promote  them self.

secondly, Pinwheel right  now  you  my  be  hitting the  wall to hard. In  india there  are may  ways  for  entities to  exist, not  only  as a company i.e pvt. ltd. But, the  Registrar of  companies  only deal  with   two  types  of  entities a  ltd.  and a LLP.   the later  being  easier to  incorporate.  
However an  indian  national is  not  required  by  law  to only  run a  LTD. or a LLP business. It can  be  of  any of the following  kind.

1. Proprietorship (Which  does not  require any  formal  gov. registration)
2. Partnership (same as  above but  with a  partner)
3. Hindu joint  family  business (same  as  above  but a   family  fun  business)
4. Cooperative (get together  a  few  people  an  start  a  co-operative  business like  Amul.)

All the  above  mentioned   businesses  can  run  legally without  impunity. yes  some  regulated  businesses  need membership  from  associations  and   trade  unions or  licences . like  export and  import , and  some  whole sale  businesses.

But in  no way is  it requires  to be a  registered  business.

A note  to inrbtcad, i hope you  do know  that  when  referring to a  business as a company, i  is usually  implied  as a  Ltd. registered  company  with the  Registrar  of  companies.
I know  it  takes  ages  to register  a  company and getting  DIN, and  all the   stupid  formalities may  take  you a  few  months. Be honest  about  the  incorporation there is nothing wrong  in  being a Proprietorship. Just make  sure  you dont screw  people  over.  

Build  your  business on trust  and  honor.

so you collecting people money without disclosing company name. it is fraud and Benson you are facilitating crime and so you are accomplice  (by making this thread sticky as a staff of this forum you adding credibility to this scam). Instead of warning people of possible scams you promoting them.

If company/firm real or not verified  not on google but on http://www.mca.gov.in/Ministry/roc.html Registrar of companies of Ministry of corporate affairs.

As I said he will not post his company name, he did not posted it. DO NOT ORDER IT IS A SCAMM

My mistake, this was directed at Pinwheel not you. I realized this after seeing your statement, forgot that I was addressing you and not Pinwheel.

Well i have done exchange with inrbtc before and i have his info, he owns a private limited company but still that doesn't matters here as his company is old and was registered for another purpose. I mean i also own a private limited company, a ngo and a import export firm but they have no connection with bitcoins or my online services.

Also i think you are using a shared hosting, I will advice you to use a vps or a dedicated server for safety.

That security deposit idea is good but that doesn't secures 1+ BTC deal.

I know this. You did not think that I would trust you without doing my homework. Did ya? 

INRBTC, your business has good scalability. In this light, I would not be the correct person for Escrow as the risk would be quite high. Am good for smaller amounts, but not for Enterprise level Escrow as yet. Enterprise level Escrow will pull me into arbitration as well and I am not paid well enough for that :p.

Do check with John K, he has a stronger method of verifying Escrow.


That would be correct. I have been fooled too many times on the forums and people have got scammed. Especially by people like INRBTC and mukundh3 who do not follow Pinwheel's rules, but have a good reputation/ decent entry attempt.
You have been serial-accusing people without much substance.
A seller has the right to refuse Escrow and you have the right to refuse to buy or sell to that person.

You may get correct with 'one' observation 'EVENTUALLY', but you are losing credibility with weak and jealous accusations.

Do it right, if you want to prove a scam. I have spoken to INRBTC on the phone, and we have him on a Google Hangout, where some mature individuals are present (These are the people who do not scream 'SCAM' when something confuses them.) I have also reached out to some contacts in Hyd to confirm his business. The same thing that was done for buysellbitco.in as well.



People can always say that this statement looks scammy. This has been made post a request that all trades on the forum remain in a public thread. Of course, it is your prerogative to do trades like this. You do not see anyone calling you a scammer for this do you?

With INRBTC, the business model is awesome and you have the scope to build a powerful company. All the Best! You are free to do business on the forums at your own terms. Do not get bogged down by accusations. But please do allow for Escrow requests. People who are willing to pay for the service must be provided Escrow without any hesitation.

Dear Moderator,

        INRBTC is willing to transfer 1 BTC to you for safekeeping. If in the next two months if anybody can prove to you that INRBTC has scammed, you can then transfer the same to them.

Each of the order at INRBTC will have an order number. If you get a scam notice for any specific order number, you can ask us for the proof of delivery and if INRBTC is unable to provide you the details within 2 days, then you can declare a scam and distribute the BTC.

Let me know your views. 

As per Pinwheel's suggestion about the company details and company registrar's.  My name search in goggle will bring my company name where I am the director right on the first page. The company name will be disclosed when we think it is the right time. Not because you are asking for it.

The moderator know's my details and at any point of time, if the moderator feels that people have been subject to scam from INRBTC, then he can disclose my name and my company's name.

This is going to be my last post about Pinwheel's baseless allegations. My next action will be send 1 BTC to a public address , if the moderator agrees to my proposal.

Regards,
INRBTC Admin

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so you do not accept escrow when client offer to pay escrow fee, so you scam simple as that

you wrote you represent ORGANIZATION what is registered name of your ORGANIZATION post it here. I will check with company registrar. You will not post it because you dont have it. You are just stupid kid who even dont know that any one can check company name on India registrar of Companies and see also directors names. So fuck off, and  thanks for posting my PMs.

One shit after another it will never ends here.

Everybody has the freedom to express their opinion, the same way the esteemed member Pinwheel has expressed just above. At the same time others also have their right to say, like me, representative of INRBTC

Personal messages are not be disclosed as they are personal, but as in the present case, since Pinwheel has made an accusation based on personal message, I have NO option but to disclose the personal messages based on which an negative observation has been made on us. We take our business seriously. You can be the judge based on the PM exchanged between me and Pinwheel.  I think Pinwheel can vouch for the accuracy of these messages.


for your information on this forum in english part, not Indian, if person in such deal refuse escrow, he at once considered as a scammer, at once. I pay escrow fee, best rate I can give 6100. Escrow with JohnK.

I want to buy from snapdeal 4 SMTP Corsair here is link
http://www.snapdeal.com/product/corsair-vs-650-smps/509794?pos=0;2

rate 6000, only escrow deal. I send btc to escrow you ship, I receive item I will release escrow.

one more thing you will not use dealing with me for your advertisement, no info must appears in public forums,unless I want to leave feedback myself.

thanks
PW
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