Topic: Scam accusation - User: RoughLyfe (Read 2494 times)
Thank guys for helping me resolve the dispute with RoughLyfe, I'll close the thread for now, if someone wants me to reopen it, let me know. Thanks for the refund RoughLyfe, good luck.
Lol, just saw his retaliative feedback. Time to expand my rating to include a severe case of butthurtius maximus.
And vortex20000 did you seriously reply to my thread on making a bot
Didn't see this accusation. I don't mind doing business... With escrow.Thats your opinion,Im leaving negative feedback as I never scammed anyone.When he bought the ebook he agreed to my TOS
I'm surprised you decide to exchange negative trust with Vortex20000 and subSTRATA after all this trouble (retaliation negative feedback is quite common). But again it's a free world.
free world indeed. this is abuse of the trust system though correct? hes pretty butthurt over neutral feedback.
Whatever, he'll never get on default trust and his feedback can be explained away by this thread. No threat to me or my rep. Same for subSTRATA.
Well as you guys said its a free world
Thats your opinion,Im leaving negative feedback as I never scammed anyone.When he bought the ebook he agreed to my TOS
I'm surprised you decide to exchange negative trust with Vortex20000 and subSTRATA after all this trouble (retaliation negative feedback is quite common). But again it's a free world.
sort of contradictory, "once you agree to it thats final my rules and my rules only your words mean nothing only mine mine mine."
"its a free world"
its really funny. really is.
with that kind of behavior he'll never get anywhere near default trust, or a solid green rating for the matter.
And vortex20000 did you seriously reply to my thread on making a bot
Didn't see this accusation. I don't mind doing business... With escrow.Thats your opinion,Im leaving negative feedback as I never scammed anyone.When he bought the ebook he agreed to my TOS
I'm surprised you decide to exchange negative trust with Vortex20000 and subSTRATA after all this trouble (retaliation negative feedback is quite common). But again it's a free world.
free world indeed. this is abuse of the trust system though correct? hes pretty butthurt over neutral feedback.
Whatever, he'll never get on default trust and his feedback can be explained away by this thread. No threat to me or my rep. Same for subSTRATA.
Well as you guys said its a free world
Well as you guys said its a free world
Thats your opinion,Im leaving negative feedback as I never scammed anyone.When he bought the ebook he agreed to my TOS
I'm surprised you decide to exchange negative trust with Vortex20000 and subSTRATA after all this trouble (retaliation negative feedback is quite common). But again it's a free world.
Thats your opinion,Im leaving negative feedback as I never scammed anyone.When he bought the ebook he agreed to my TOS
I'm surprised you decide to exchange negative trust with Vortex20000 and subSTRATA after all this trouble (retaliation negative feedback is quite common). But again it's a free world.
free world indeed. this is abuse of the trust system though correct? hes pretty butthurt over neutral feedback.
Thats your opinion,Im leaving negative feedback as I never scammed anyone.When he bought the ebook he agreed to my TOS
I'm surprised you decide to exchange negative trust with Vortex20000 and subSTRATA after all this trouble (retaliation negative feedback is quite common). But again it's a free world.
And vortex20000 did you seriously reply to my thread on making a bot
Thats your opinion,Im leaving negative feedback as I never scammed anyone.When he bought the ebook he agreed to my TOS
In PM:
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
I just did happy?I only gave you negative feedbackRemove your feedback,I already shut down the ebook selling and I am refunding someone who requested one.Once you remove your feedback I will remove mine
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
thats called abuse of the trust system. youre leaving negative feedback because youre butthurt, not because vortex deserves it.
In PM:
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
Remove your feedback,I already shut down the ebook selling and I am refunding someone who requested one.Once you remove your feedback I will remove mine
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
seems a refund of 0.07 BTC was sent to the refund address, ive updated my feedback to include refusing to refund and extortion though.
I changed my negative rating to neutral.
In PM:
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
Remove your feedback,I already shut down the ebook selling and I am refunding someone who requested one.Once you remove your feedback I will remove mine
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
seems a refund of 0.07 BTC was sent to the refund address, ive updated my feedback to include refusing to refund and extortion though.
And I never said it was white hat,I only said that it wasn't black hat at the time
In PM:
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
I just did happy?I only gave you negative feedback Remove your feedback,I already shut down the ebook selling and I am refunding someone who requested one.Once you remove your feedback I will remove mine
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
In PM:
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
Remove your feedback,I already shut down the ebook selling and I am refunding someone who requested one.Once you remove your feedback I will remove mine
I will edit it to a neutral feedback and revise the text to show past tense. Feel free to keep your rating on me, trust is, after all, unmoderated.
I take it back, you'll have a negative from me until you refund the guy. Also, user is trigger-happy with returning trust out of spite.
Wait who the hell just left me negative feedback
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
free world. they can leave feedback if he/she chooses. you are free to message them to attempt to get it removed but the fact remains that you will refund your customer at the soonest possible time. there is absolutely nothing stopping you from refunding him, especially not some feedback.
blockchain link to refund address: https://blockchain.info/address/1A23fKrCHPSdUNPAJyKEmLub3VwyGpt4Hk
so i take it youre refusing to refund then? alright.
It was resolved,I'm refunding him now
Wait who the hell just left me negative feedback
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
free world. they can leave feedback if he/she chooses. you are free to message them to attempt to get it removed but the fact remains that you will refund your customer at the soonest possible time. there is absolutely nothing stopping you from refunding him, especially not some feedback.
blockchain link to refund address: https://blockchain.info/address/1A23fKrCHPSdUNPAJyKEmLub3VwyGpt4Hk
Wait who the hell just left me negative feedback
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
free world. they can leave feedback if he/she chooses. you are free to message them to attempt to get it removed but the fact remains that you will refund your customer at the soonest possible time. there is absolutely nothing stopping you from refunding him, especially not some feedback.
blockchain link to refund address: https://blockchain.info/address/1A23fKrCHPSdUNPAJyKEmLub3VwyGpt4Hk
Wait who the hell just left me negative feedback
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
Tell https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/vortex20000-345487 to remove it so I can refund him
And sub
Was willing to sell an exploit that would screw investors if the owner of casino didn't pay up.
Thats on your trust,you did the same thing as me
Was willing to sell an exploit that would screw investors if the owner of casino didn't pay up.
Thats on your trust,you did the same thing as me
your point is? i know what i did and i owned up to it immediately. there is no relation between this and that. im fully aware of my own actions at the time.
How much exactly did he sent me?
learn to keep track of your payments from customers if youre going to sell stuff.
And sub
Was willing to sell an exploit that would screw investors if the owner of casino didn't pay up.
Thats on your trust,you did the same thing as me
Was willing to sell an exploit that would screw investors if the owner of casino didn't pay up.
Thats on your trust,you did the same thing as me
How much exactly did he sent me?
Here's my address for the refund: 1A23fKrCHPSdUNPAJyKEmLub3VwyGpt4Hk
Then again whats his address?
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundso youre refusing to refund then? im leaning closer and closer to red.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
true words.
fact remains here that my feedback states a fact; you refusing to give the refund goes something along the lines of extortion to get this feedback removed.
i wont remove it because that feedback is there for a reason. you were selling ebooks that contained fraudulent and blackhat methods to obtain money. that is a fact. a fact. what I dont understand is why youre so focused on your rep and still refusing to give a refund, running the risk of red feedback on your page instead. I said id change the feedback's language to that of past tense, and i did. it is staying. end of discussion. refund the guy.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundso youre refusing to refund then? im leaning closer and closer to red.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
true words.
fact remains here that my feedback states a fact; you refusing to give the refund goes something along the lines of extortion to get this feedback removed.
because how you decided not to refund at our conversation in this free world, he has the right to do as he please
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundso youre refusing to refund then? im leaning closer and closer to red.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
true words.
fact remains here that my feedback states a fact; you refusing to give the refund goes something along the lines of extortion to get this feedback removed.
because how you decided not to refund at our conversation in this free world, he has the right to do as he please
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundso youre refusing to refund then? im leaning closer and closer to red.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
true words.
fact remains here that my feedback states a fact; you refusing to give the refund goes something along the lines of extortion to get this feedback removed.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundI will consider the "deal" failed in a few minutes and add a negative if you don't refund. subSTRATA said he'd change to past tense and he did. I said I'd remove it and I did.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundso youre refusing to refund then? im leaning closer and closer to red.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
true words.
fact remains here that my feedback states a fact; you refusing to give the refund goes something along the lines of extortion to get this feedback removed.
since everyone here is online, ill be adding separate negative feedback for refusal to refund if this isnt done soon.
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundso now again, you prefer to have negative trust than a neutral one?
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refundso now again, you prefer to have negative trust than a neutral one?
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
My goal is to have no bad feedback,all he has to do is click delete on my trust and you get your refund
sigh... can you just refund me and not expect the negative? I think having a neutral with some positives (as you have) wont make a difference if you keep doing good trades in the future.
Come on please make an exception
Waiting on subSTRATA so I can refund
ive already stated i will not be removing the feedback,
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
thats how it works around here.
well its not. regardless of you refunding him or not, the fact still remains that you are selling a guide to make money that involves fraud. it stays, end of discussion.
Waiting on subSTRATA so I can refund
he's offline, allow him to get back online.
i dont show my online status, personal preference.
Waiting on subSTRATA so I can refund
he's offline, allow him to get back online and send it meanwhile.
edit oh well.
Waiting on subSTRATA so I can refund
But first I want them to remove there feedback completely while I shut down the sales for the ebook
Here's my address for the refund: 1A23fKrCHPSdUNPAJyKEmLub3VwyGpt4Hk
I don't have another account,whats the guys address?
What about the other guy?
Just to make it easier I will remove it if you refund and stop selling the ebook completely. If you use another account to keep selling then I'll make if negative on both accounts.
What about the other guy?
And if I take it down?
if you mean taking down the thread selling the guide, then ill change it to past tense.
And if I take it down?
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
thats how it works around here.
well its not. regardless of you refunding him or not, the fact still remains that you are selling a guide to make money that involves fraud. it stays, end of discussion.
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
thats how it works around here.
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
I will not. I added a neutral feedback because you sell black hat/illegal methods, not because of this specific incident. However if you refund I won't make it negative which I'm currently considering.
then you should be glad its not negative feedback; as ecuamobi said, my stance is the exact same on this issue; my neutral stays as well regardless. you refusing to refund your customer after admitting you messed up definitely deserves a negative rating entirely on its own.
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
I will not. I added a neutral feedback because you sell black hat/illegal methods, not because of this specific incident. However if you refund I won't make it negative which I'm currently considering.
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
I will not. I added a neutral feedback because you sell black hat/illegal methods, not because of this specific incident. However if you refund I won't make it negative which I'm currently considering.
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
thats how it works around here.
refunding a customer for his mistake is one thing, as i see it he is still selling a money making method that involves fraud.
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
thats how it works around here.
refunding a customer for his mistake is one thing, as i see it he is still selling a money making method that involves fraud.
And you post on my thread that we reached a resolution?
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
thats how it works around here.
If I refund him then will everyone remove their Neutral ratings?
And I did initially post that it wasn't black hat as I didn't think it was black hat.I already admitted that that was my bad and I apologize for that,And thats why you can expand on the ebook.Just limit your self to $150 a day.
you just admitted you were at fault here, refund him.
And I did initially post that it wasn't black hat as I didn't think it was black hat.I already admitted that that was my bad and I apologize for that,And thats why you can expand on the ebook.Just limit your self to $150 a day.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct?
his post (reference, you can read it up before he edited i QUoted it) where he said "This does not involve e-whoring,hard work,PPD,PTC,PTP,Black Hat,CPA.It does however require time and patience"
the way i see it, you were scammed. selling a method that involves fraud and blackhat methods is one thing, false advertising that this method involves no fraud or blackhat related methods is another. id say you were lied to as a customer in this case.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
1 month is not enough to find out a criminal behavior that just got started, what will happen when they say, hey but this user has too many referrals he might be botting, lets try to get a refund from paypal and then paypal will start a claim. This does not even change the fact that you sold me something that You clearly stated was NOT a blackhat or exploiting a vulnerability.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct?
his post (reference, you can read it up before he edited i QUoted it) where he said "This does not involve e-whoring,hard work,PPD,PTC,PTP,Black Hat,CPA.It does however require time and patience"
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct?
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
And like I said I put "(The) TOS can change at any time." so if anyone finds out a way to dupe me for exploit me I can change the TOS
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
i read through the other thread in this section and it seems that it said somewhere that the method involved no blackhat methods of any sort, when clearly it did according to op. in this case id say that might be false advertising(?) or something close.
Yes. 2 major red flags:
"(The) TOS can change at any time."
"Then I was wrong about this not being a Black Hat."
So you duped a customer with false promises. Nothing new here, but yes, you most certainly are the scammer. You should probably leave this forum for good.
"(The) TOS can change at any time."
"Then I was wrong about this not being a Black Hat."
So you duped a customer with false promises. Nothing new here, but yes, you most certainly are the scammer. You should probably leave this forum for good.
this sums it up quite nicely actually.
RoughLyfe's TOS is a joke, you can't just write whatever you want as TOS:
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
I should have known better, I just though that I could give a chance to this guy.. but as people say "if its too good to be true..."
RoughLyfe's TOS is a joke, you can't just write whatever you want as TOS:
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
Will you just read the TOS
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
So when you bought it you agreed to it,if you didn't know that you agreed to it then you should have read the thread
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
Since your asking for a refund there is a high chance your trying to boost your reputation on leak or hack forums.
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
You didn't read this at all,A refund will only be give if you didn't make your money back in a WEEK, not a minute.It has to be under conditions I deem fit.It hasn't been a week and I doubt you tried it
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Im considering denying your refund because you didn't read my TOS
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
So when you bought it you agreed to it,if you didn't know that you agreed to it then you should have read the thread
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
Since your asking for a refund there is a high chance your trying to boost your reputation on leak or hack forums.
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
You didn't read this at all,A refund will only be give if you didn't make your money back in a WEEK, not a minute.It has to be under conditions I deem fit.It hasn't been a week and I doubt you tried it
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Im considering denying your refund because you didn't read my TOS
It does work,you just never tried it.I admit that I didn't think it was black hat so thats a fault on my side.So now I know thats its black hat.I fixed the post so people know that it is,happy?And by buying the ebook you agreed to the following
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
I'm not a scammer or a liar, I wont sell or leak your method, that would be the "justice" part but I dont think that it should work that way, so this is why I'm opening this post to see if you give me my money back and we can leave this behind, else the community shall decide who's right and If I dont deserve my refund.
It does work,you just never tried it.I admit that I didn't think it was black hat so thats a fault on my side.So now I know thats its black hat.I fixed the post so people know that it is,happy?And by buying the ebook you agreed to the following
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
Again, read the damn tos.It reads
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
You said it would work so there's no gambling since I took your word for it. You sold me something that you said you were not selling. Clearly, you state that you're selling a method that its not a black-hat and then say admit that it looks like a blackhat, therefor you sold me something different from what you posted and that's defrauding.
Again, read the damn tos.It reads
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
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