Topic: Scam alert! Betcoinrakeback.com stole players money (Read 4116 times)

very well fits the topic, as it is an alternative for the victims.

No, it's 100% off topic, as this thread is about betcoinrakeback and their theft, nothing else.
If you want to open a gambling discussion topic called "where can victims of betcoinrakeback play at in the future", go ahead.
Don't do this here, though.

g-p tards up EVERY thread with his horrible English to spam his shitty afiiliate portal. At this point, everyone knows what a joke he is.

BUT BACK ON TOPIC:

While Xiao, Jessica White, and the rest of the Betcoin staff are enjoying their Memorial Day (remember: they are all American) over 600 people are out the money that was stolen from them. Xiao has his account unlocked and has been seen gambling in the casino section of Betcoin again. Any hope for the players to get their money back is slowly disappearing. Just another 600+ victims left in the wake of Betcoin's scams.

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Yes, to claim I post my referal links here is a blatant lie! After your further comments, I at least understand now your agenda.

It is also a blatant lie to claim "Because Scam Accusations is what's going to pop up when you Google Bit-Exo or game-protect.", while this is not the case and you googled: is bit-exo a scam

Your opinion about Game Protect is off topic. In addition, I do not advertise betcoin and therefore your statement that you will not play at Game Protect advertised sites is off topic as well.

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Quote from: marlais on May 28, 2017, 09:00:09 PM

Still no idea what your agenda is, but I do not post my referal links here!

You punched "is bit-exo a scam" into google and not Game Protect or Bit-Exo as you claimed!

If google mention this thread, then this is a great result though...

And every time you follow up with disingenuous off-topic comments accusing other people of "blatant lies" when a quick fact check shows otherwise, you are making both your site and their site look like even bigger scams. I sure as hell would never play anywhere advertised by your so-called "Online Gaming Consumer Protection Service" given that you have an obvious financial interest in the sites you shill, and I hope no one else would fall for that bullshit either.

My agenda is to call out scams when I see them.

Your trust rating is well deserved.

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Goodbye, Z.

So, if I click through the link you're providing in your posts, what is this?
hxxps://bit-exo.com/~snip~
Is that not your referral link?

Better don't repost it...

very well fits the topic, as it is an alternative for the victims.

No, it's 100% off topic, as this thread is about betcoinrakeback and their theft, nothing else.
If you want to open a gambling discussion topic called "where can victims of betcoinrakeback play at in the future", go ahead.
Don't do this here, though.

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Quote from: marlais on May 28, 2017, 12:42:54 AM

Do you really want to be hawking your referral links in a Scam Accusations thread? Because Scam Accusations is what's going to pop up when you Google Bit-Exo or game-protect. If you don't have anything to add to the topic at hand, find a different conversation.

No idea what the intent of your blatant lies is, but neither did I post a referal link nor do any scam accusation pop up when I put Bit-Exo or Game Protect into google Huh

Bit-Exo very well fits the topic, as it is an alternative for the victims. Wink

So, if I click through the link you're providing in your posts, what is this?

Is that not your referral link?

Regarding Google:

So, if you want Scam alert! to pop up every time someone punches your affiliate site into Google by shilling it in threads like this one, keep it up. Better yet, GTFO.

Edited to break the referral links.

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Whoever Xiao maxed out his credit line with probably needs a new pair of underwear right about now. Maybe Betcoin can hook him up with some merch.

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Quote from: Fortify on May 28, 2017, 03:53:57 AM

Got to love seeing such blatant fraud play out in the forums. There was a lot of "I, me, myself" in the apology post from Xiao - like somehow they are the victim of this nasty disease called gambling. No. You can gamble as much as you like with your own money, when you start using other peoples money it is called theft and any sympathy goes out the window. Lying on top of that to cover your tracks and admitting it later to relieve your guilt is no better. Then again, Betcoin has plenty of it's own scam accusations so should be avoided by all players.

Actually, it's not even about gambling with other people's money. I highly doubt that he genuinely did that - it's much more likely that he just stole everyone's money and then tried to reduce the amount of investigation and hatred coming his way by making a pathetic excuse.

Obviously it would be evil of him to bet with other people's money, but this is the kind of language scammers like to use to disguise their tactics.

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Got to love seeing such blatant fraud play out in the forums. There was a lot of "I, me, myself" in the apology post from Xiao - like somehow they are the victim of this nasty disease called gambling. No. You can gamble as much as you like with your own money, when you start using other peoples money it is called theft and any sympathy goes out the window. Lying on top of that to cover your tracks and admitting it later to relieve your guilt is no better. Then again, Betcoin has plenty of it's own scam accusations so should be avoided by all players.

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For those who care about rake:

Bit-Exo take only 5% tournamenmt fee! This is 50% rakeback compared to betcoin + normal rakeback, leaderboard and promotions.

They have also the amazing Spin & Go tournaments. Traffic is low atm, but this could change in the foreseeable future.

Do you really want to be hawking your referral links in a Scam Accusations thread? Because Scam Accusations is what's going to pop up when you Google Bit-Exo or game-protect. If you don't have anything to add to the topic at hand, find a different conversation. [/rant]

Back on topic, I went through and read Betcoin's reasoning for not paying players directly and requiring them to generate rake equivalent to the amount that was stolen to get it back. It's basically "We have a long and distinguished history of screwing our customers (c.f. Gambit), so it's only fair that we screw you all equally." Does that mean the next time one of their slot providers decides they don't want to pay out a jackpot, it's only fair to screw that guy over, too?

Also, this is twice as bad because when Xiao degenned off everyone's rakeback, it just went straight into Betcoin's coffers as rake and gambling losses. So, they are the direct beneficiaries of all the stolen money. It's not so much that Xiao didn't intend to scam (he did that repeatedly by his own admission), he just didn't intend to lose. No wonder they're treating him with kid gloves and saying they're not sure if they're going to perma-ban him because he's done so much good for the site in the past, etc.

When art was repatriated after WWII after being stolen by the Nazis, nobody gave the current owners or museums a dime or asked the original owners to buy back the art at market value. Why? Because it would have been wildly unethical to demand payment to return stolen goods. I don't see how this is any different. The stolen money is in Betcoin's wallet. It's obscene to have a playthrough requirement to get your stolen money back, and unethical for them to keep it in the meantime.

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So, how much did Betcoin rake Xiao while he was dicing it all away? Or does being a prop player mean that you get 100% RB on dice as well? If they were raking a non-zero amount, they certainly had incentive to let him keep degenning away other players' RB.

I think that given Betcoin's history of telling people that Xiao was a trusted affiliate, they need to pay the missing RB out of their own pockets and then it's their problem to get it back from Xiao. That's what anyone would do if they wanted people to keep taking them at their word on future matters.

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Betcoin has already fallen behind their self-imposed deadline to pay players back.

It's been nearly a month now and nobody has been paid back a dime. Meanwhile the over 600 players signed up by Xiao to Betcoin continue to rake...and I wonder who is getting that rake?

It certainly isn't the players it was promised to.

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Quote from: Lutpin on May 23, 2017, 01:10:37 PM

If it's about Xiao's affiliate program, then why are you trying to extort Betcoin? Are you really that stupid? Again, if you think a site is responsible for what their affiliates promise, then why aren't you asking crypto-games for the money game-protect's been stealing? If I offered 10,000% rakeback and you signed up under my referral, would you really expect them to pay you that amount if I didn't? Go back downstairs and play with the dolls in your mother's basement, biatch! You're too stupid to be on the internet.

Usually a site has nothing to do with what an affiliate do with his commission.

But the part you 5 cell brain are not able to understand is that it was a site-sponsored special deal. And in this case betcoin.ag is liable for the fulfillment!

It is anyway very unlikely that Xioaxiao is a "foreign" affiliate!

Everyone with half a brain can see that this rakeback model was not sustainable. First they reduced it from up to 133% to up to 85% and now they removed it completely, with the excusation that the "foreign" affiliate Xiaoxiao is the reason, while in reality they removed it because it was not sustainable and needed a whipping boy!

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Betcoin lies once again. They originally stated all xiao's signups would be paid their due rakeback through 5/9. As of today, they are saying each player is responsible for reraking their due rakeback in order to receive it. This is a ponzi scheme. Also, xiao's account is no longer banned and he is online right now.

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Quote from: cjmoles on May 23, 2017, 01:01:56 PM

I lost $2700 to lock poker, if I subscribed to game-protect (not that stupid)....should crypto-games be paying that back because their partner site, game-protect, can't honor its promises?

If you play on crypto-games, CG holds a certain responsibility, if you play on betcoin, a share of the responsibility goes to betcoin,
if you play on primedice, those guys are responsible to a certain extent, so...if you play on lock poker, guess who should hold some amount of responsibility?
Little hint: It's not any of the first 3.

What? Did you just say that crypto-games is responsible for game-protects promises to its referrals? Crypto-games has an affiliate contract with game-protect, so crypto-games is responsible for honoring game-protects promises to its referrals? Game-protect promises to get the money back players lost to rogue casinos like, Lock Poker....crypto-games is partners with game-protect....if game-protect does not fulfill its promises to get the money back from Lock Poker, then it's crypto-game's responsibility to honor game-protect's promises?

Hint: Does it makes sense to say that crypto-games isn't responsible for its affiliates scams, but everybody else is responsible for their affiliates actions? Isn't that, in itself, a scam? "I will damage your reputation, because I have that power, for doing exactly what we've been doing for years!"

Edit: Better yet....I can get on Wix right now and set up a webpage offering $1 Million dollars to everybody who signs up with my crypto-games referral link, renege, then crypto-games should be responsible to pay all those referrals what I promised to them, right?

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Goodbye, Z.

Quote from: cjmoles on May 23, 2017, 01:01:56 PM

I lost $2700 to lock poker, if I subscribed to game-protect (not that stupid)....should crypto-games be paying that back because their partner site, game-protect, can't honor its promises?

If you play on crypto-games, CG holds a certain responsibility, if you play on betcoin, a share of the responsibility goes to betcoin,
if you play on primedice, those guys are responsible to a certain extent, so...if you play on lock poker, guess who should hold some amount of responsibility?
Little hint: It's not any of the first 3.

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Quote from: Zepher on May 23, 2017, 04:27:16 AM

Quote from: cjmoles on May 22, 2017, 10:16:14 PM

[...]they chose that affiliate and it was that affiliate who ripped them off, not Betcoin and Betcoin discontinued his affiliation deal when they found out he was a thief. [...]

Took Betcoin a while to figure this out, didn't it? They could literally see the money disappearing from the wallet/s (or however the rakeback worked), and it was not until this was made public that Xiao got the sack, so to speak. Betcoin, IMO, failed to take note of what was happening with Xiao and the funds he had control over, and are therefore partially at fault for the damage done. This could have been prevented to an extent.. and the damage would be a lot less than it currently is had they kept an eye on his funds.

The thing is....that was Xiao's money because that's who owned the affiliate account. The affiliate deal was between Xiao and Betcoin....not between Betcoin and Xaio's referrals. Xaio lied to his referrals then reneged on his contract with them....not the other way around. That's where people are being mislead....Betcoin made no promises, nor any deals with Xaio's referrals, so how are they responsible to pay Xaio's debts? The same thing with crypto-games....they are partners with an obvious scammer, game-protect ( https://game-protect.com/crypto-games-details/ ). Should crypto-games be responsible for paying those whom game-protect scammed? I lost $2700 to lock poker, if I subscribed to game-protect (not that stupid)....should crypto-games be paying that back because their partner site, game-protect, can't honor its promises?

Better yet....I have a referral link too....If I offered you a million dollars to sign-up with my link and I didn't pay you, should you be able to get that money I promised to you for signing up with my link from Betcoin? If so....we can split the difference, right? $500K a piece? That's just not how the referral programs work, not now, not ever.

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Quote from: cjmoles on May 22, 2017, 10:16:14 PM

[...]they chose that affiliate and it was that affiliate who ripped them off, not Betcoin and Betcoin discontinued his affiliation deal when they found out he was a thief. [...]

Took Betcoin a while to figure this out, didn't it? They could literally see the money disappearing from the wallet/s (or however the rakeback worked), and it was not until this was made public that Xiao got the sack, so to speak. Betcoin, IMO, failed to take note of what was happening with Xiao and the funds he had control over, and are therefore partially at fault for the damage done. This could have been prevented to an extent.. and the damage would be a lot less than it currently is had they kept an eye on his funds.

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Quote from: cjmoles on May 23, 2017, 12:20:33 AM

Quote from: DarkDays on May 22, 2017, 11:59:45 PM

Quote from: DarkDays on May 22, 2017, 11:59:45 PM

Go back downstairs and play with the dolls in your mother's basement, biatch! You're too stupid to be on the internet.

This is the intelligence level of Betcoin's lone remaining bag holder.

Remember everyone, none of these facts have been disagreed with:

Xiao stole a bunch of money from the players. Betcoin was complicit in this. Nobody has seen any money yet Betcoin is continuing to give Xiao the player's rake. Once the players are paid back (or maybe when they aren't) Betcoin will take all of the rake, ignoring the site-sponsored advertised rakeback.

They used Xiao to funnel over 600 players onto the site by giving him affiliate rake (to give to the players he signed up) that was higher than anyone else. Anyone who wanted to play on the site had to sign up through Xiao to get the maximum rakeback (and remember, they overraked everyone for months), and then they watched while Xiao stole people's money/slowpayed them for months. Only when he revealed that he had stolen everything he could and had no intention of paying back did they step in to say...that they were taking away everyone's rakeback through him. Even though it was a site-sponsored deal.

Everyone loses.

Except, of course, for Betcoin and Xiao who continue to pillage the players.

You are just too stupid to understand how referral programs work to make a sound argument....You and your scammer crew of sock puppets and thieves need to learn a trade other than trying to scam sites with threats of making up fud accusations....sell your ass or something....it's more honest! And, take your homeboy, game-protect, with you while you're at it!

Zero refuting of anything I've said. More baseless attacks. Sad.

Also, considering you look like a homeless white trash tweaker, it's odd that you are making these wild baseless accusations about other people. "Moms basement" "sell your ass"...projection?

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Go back downstairs and play with the dolls in your mother's basement, biatch! You're too stupid to be on the internet.

This is the intelligence level of Betcoin's lone remaining bag holder.

Remember everyone, none of these facts have been disagreed with:

Xiao stole a bunch of money from the players. Betcoin was complicit in this. Nobody has seen any money yet Betcoin is continuing to give Xiao the player's rake. Once the players are paid back (or maybe when they aren't) Betcoin will take all of the rake, ignoring the site-sponsored advertised rakeback.

They used Xiao to funnel over 600 players onto the site by giving him affiliate rake (to give to the players he signed up) that was higher than anyone else. Anyone who wanted to play on the site had to sign up through Xiao to get the maximum rakeback (and remember, they overraked everyone for months), and then they watched while Xiao stole people's money/slowpayed them for months. Only when he revealed that he had stolen everything he could and had no intention of paying back did they step in to say...that they were taking away everyone's rakeback through him. Even though it was a site-sponsored deal.

Everyone loses.

Except, of course, for Betcoin and Xiao who continue to pillage the players.

You are just too stupid to understand how referral programs work to make a sound argument....You and your scammer crew of sock puppets and thieves need to learn a trade other than trying to scam sites with threats of making up fud accusations....sell your ass or something....it's more honest! And, take your homeboy, game-protect, with you while you're at it!

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Quote from: DarkDays on May 22, 2017, 10:31:21 PM

Go back downstairs and play with the dolls in your mother's basement, biatch! You're too stupid to be on the internet.

This is the intelligence level of Betcoin's lone remaining bag holder.

Remember everyone, none of these facts have been disagreed with:

Xiao stole a bunch of money from the players. Betcoin was complicit in this. Nobody has seen any money yet Betcoin is continuing to give Xiao the player's rake. Once the players are paid back (or maybe when they aren't) Betcoin will take all of the rake, ignoring the site-sponsored advertised rakeback.

They used Xiao to funnel over 600 players onto the site by giving him affiliate rake (to give to the players he signed up) that was higher than anyone else. Anyone who wanted to play on the site had to sign up through Xiao to get the maximum rakeback (and remember, they overraked everyone for months), and then they watched while Xiao stole people's money/slowpayed them for months. Only when he revealed that he had stolen everything he could and had no intention of paying back did they step in to say...that they were taking away everyone's rakeback through him. Even though it was a site-sponsored deal.

Everyone loses.

Except, of course, for Betcoin and Xiao who continue to pillage the players.

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Stop trying to deflect the valid criticism towards your masters. Your motives are transparent and sickening. If you have a scam accusation to level towards anyone, create your own thread.

This thread is about:

Xiao stole a bunch of money from the players. Betcoin was complicit in this. Nobody has seen any money yet Betcoin is continuing to give Xiao the player's rake. Once the players are paid back (or maybe when they aren't) Betcoin will take all of the rake, ignoring the site-sponsored advertised rakeback.

They used Xiao to funnel over 600 players onto the site by giving him affiliate rake (to give to the players he signed up) that was higher than anyone else. Anyone who wanted to play on the site had to sign up through Xiao to get the maximum rakeback (and remember, they overraked everyone for months), and then they watched while Xiao stole people's money/slowpayed them for months. Only when he revealed that he had stolen everything he could and had no intention of paying back did they step in to say...that they were taking away everyone's rakeback through him. Even though it was a site-sponsored deal.

Everyone loses.

Except, of course, for Betcoin and Xiao who continue to pillage the players.

If it's about Xiao's affiliate program, then why are you trying to extort Betcoin? Are you really that stupid? Again, if you think a site is responsible for what their affiliates promise, then why aren't you asking crypto-games for the money game-protect's been stealing? If I offered 10,000% rakeback and you signed up under my referral, would you really expect them to pay you that amount if I didn't? Go back downstairs and play with the dolls in your mother's basement, biatch! You're too stupid to be on the internet.

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Stop trying to deflect the valid criticism towards your masters. Your motives are transparent and sickening. If you have a scam accusation to level towards anyone, create your own thread.

This thread is about:

Xiao stole a bunch of money from the players. Betcoin was complicit in this. Nobody has seen any money yet Betcoin is continuing to give Xiao the player's rake. Once the players are paid back (or maybe when they aren't) Betcoin will take all of the rake, ignoring the site-sponsored advertised rakeback.

They used Xiao to funnel over 600 players onto the site by giving him affiliate rake (to give to the players he signed up) that was higher than anyone else. Anyone who wanted to play on the site had to sign up through Xiao to get the maximum rakeback (and remember, they overraked everyone for months), and then they watched while Xiao stole people's money/slowpayed them for months. Only when he revealed that he had stolen everything he could and had no intention of paying back did they step in to say...that they were taking away everyone's rakeback through him. Even though it was a site-sponsored deal.

Everyone loses.

Except, of course, for Betcoin and Xiao who continue to pillage the players.

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Quote from: DarkDays on May 22, 2017, 07:09:02 PM

Quote from: cjmoles on May 22, 2017, 05:42:37 PM

Quote from: DarkDays on May 22, 2017, 04:41:45 PM

1. So you admit that you are, in fact, begging for stakes (with zero markup!) to play poker on the site.

2. That's not how ROI works. It's a long term calculation, not a per-tournament stat.

3. You did, in fact, have to "go back to betcoin.ag to beg for another dollar to play a tournament" as you posted a begging thread yesterday

--snip image--

for a 5 chip tournament.

4. You have to beg for these stakes (which, remember, I said you did and you confirmed was true) because you are bad at poker.

--snip image--

BUT this is all beside the point, as this thread is about Betcoin allowing Xiao to steal a bunch of money from people. And not doing anything about it. And not reimbursing the players. And then taking all the rake anyway. I was merely pointing out to someone how you were a silly Betcoin shill trying to protect your daddy.

You're just a moron....go back to seals and beg for krill, stupid. Betcoin suspended Xiao's affiliate program and the evidence is on the forum....So, go lie to somebody else punk!

You can't beg for krill, it's SWC's version of VPPs. Also, I'm clearly not lying since you admitted to everything that I said. Good troll attempt, I'm sure you'll get a freeroll ticket for your attempt.

Back on topic: Xiao stole a bunch of money from the players. Betcoin was complicit in this. Nobody has seen any money yet Betcoin is continuing to give Xiao the player's rake. Once the players are paid back (or maybe when they aren't) Betcoin will take all of the rake, ignoring the site-sponsored advertised rakeback.

They used Xiao to funnel over 600 players onto the site by giving him affiliate rake (to give to the players he signed up) that was higher than anyone else. Anyone who wanted to play on the site had to sign up through Xiao to get the maximum rakeback (and remember, they overraked everyone for months), and then they watched while Xiao stole people's money/slowpayed them for months. Only when he revealed that he had stolen everything he could and had no intention of paying back did they step in to say...that they were taking away everyone's rakeback through him. Even though it was a site-sponsored deal.

Everyone loses.

Except, of course, for Betcoin and Xiao who continue to pillage the players.

You are a liar....I didn't have to sign up through Xiao....that was their choice....they chose that affiliate and it was that affiliate who ripped them off, not Betcoin and Betcoin discontinued his affiliation deal when they found out he was a thief. Why aren't you asking why crypto-games isn't paying back all the people game-protect ripped off over the years? They're partner sites: https://game-protect.com/partner-sites/ Oh, I forgot, you're working together, right? Lying thieving scumbags!

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Quote from: cjmoles on May 22, 2017, 05:42:37 PM

Quote from: DarkDays on May 22, 2017, 04:41:45 PM

1. So you admit that you are, in fact, begging for stakes (with zero markup!) to play poker on the site.

2. That's not how ROI works. It's a long term calculation, not a per-tournament stat.

3. You did, in fact, have to "go back to betcoin.ag to beg for another dollar to play a tournament" as you posted a begging thread yesterday

--snip image--

for a 5 chip tournament.

4. You have to beg for these stakes (which, remember, I said you did and you confirmed was true) because you are bad at poker.

--snip image--

BUT this is all beside the point, as this thread is about Betcoin allowing Xiao to steal a bunch of money from people. And not doing anything about it. And not reimbursing the players. And then taking all the rake anyway. I was merely pointing out to someone how you were a silly Betcoin shill trying to protect your daddy.

You're just a moron....go back to seals and beg for krill, stupid. Betcoin suspended Xiao's affiliate program and the evidence is on the forum....So, go lie to somebody else punk!

You can't beg for krill, it's SWC's version of VPPs. Also, I'm clearly not lying since you admitted to everything that I said. Good troll attempt, I'm sure you'll get a freeroll ticket for your attempt.

Back on topic: Xiao stole a bunch of money from the players. Betcoin was complicit in this. Nobody has seen any money yet Betcoin is continuing to give Xiao the player's rake. Once the players are paid back (or maybe when they aren't) Betcoin will take all of the rake, ignoring the site-sponsored advertised rakeback.

They used Xiao to funnel over 600 players onto the site by giving him affiliate rake (to give to the players he signed up) that was higher than anyone else. Anyone who wanted to play on the site had to sign up through Xiao to get the maximum rakeback (and remember, they overraked everyone for months), and then they watched while Xiao stole people's money/slowpayed them for months. Only when he revealed that he had stolen everything he could and had no intention of paying back did they step in to say...that they were taking away everyone's rakeback through him. Even though it was a site-sponsored deal.

Everyone loses.

Except, of course, for Betcoin and Xiao who continue to pillage the players.

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Quote from: DarkDays on May 22, 2017, 04:41:45 PM

1. So you admit that you are, in fact, begging for stakes (with zero markup!) to play poker on the site.

2. That's not how ROI works. It's a long term calculation, not a per-tournament stat.

3. You did, in fact, have to "go back to betcoin.ag to beg for another dollar to play a tournament" as you posted a begging thread yesterday

--snip image--

for a 5 chip tournament.

4. You have to beg for these stakes (which, remember, I said you did and you confirmed was true) because you are bad at poker.

--snip image--

BUT this is all beside the point, as this thread is about Betcoin allowing Xiao to steal a bunch of money from people. And not doing anything about it. And not reimbursing the players. And then taking all the rake anyway. I was merely pointing out to someone how you were a silly Betcoin shill trying to protect your daddy.

You're just a moron....go back to seals and beg for krill, stupid. Betcoin suspended Xiao's affiliate program and the evidence is on the forum....So, go lie to somebody else punk!

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1. So you admit that you are, in fact, begging for stakes (with zero markup!) to play poker on the site.

2. That's not how ROI works. It's a long term calculation, not a per-tournament stat.

3. You did, in fact, have to "go back to betcoin.ag to beg for another dollar to play a tournament" as you posted a begging thread yesterday

for a 5 chip tournament.

4. You have to beg for these stakes (which, remember, I said you did and you confirmed was true) because you are bad at poker.

BUT this is all beside the point, as this thread is about Betcoin allowing Xiao to steal a bunch of money from people. And not doing anything about it. And not reimbursing the players. And then taking all the rake anyway. I was merely pointing out to someone how you were a silly Betcoin shill trying to protect your daddy.

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Quote from: DarkDays on May 21, 2017, 05:59:17 PM

Luptin, CMJoles is a known poker multi-accounter and paid Betcoin shill. You can find him constantly on the Betcoin chat/forum begging for stakes to play small buy in tournaments. He's never going to give an honest response or even acknowledge anything negative done by Betcoin. Just an FYI.

^^^ Here, Lutpin, let help honest Abe here with some facts ^^^

May 10th "begging stakes to play small buy in tournaments."

Investors received 800% ROI

May 12th "begging" again for "small stakes."

200% ROI?

May 13th

Positive ROI

May 13 again

More positive ROI

May 14th

And, ROI

May 15th

ROI

That's just one week of "Honest Abe's" rendition of cjmoles "begging for stakes to play small buy in tournaments, and that's just on one site." As long as we have "alternative facts," who needs evidence, right? Hold on, I have to go back to betcoin.ag to beg for another dollar to play a tournament! I guess "Honest Abe" above, has a problem projecting or something, huh? Maybe the zero markup confused him? Greedy people can't understand why somebody would help another build their bankroll for free? Dunno....need more?

game-protect

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Quote from: Lutpin on May 21, 2017, 02:30:44 PM

Should we also ask why crypto-games is partnered with an obvious scammer: https://game-protect.com/partner-sites-online-gaming/ And, should we ask why he has no red trust from those default trust members who're so set on issuing out red trust to other gambling sites....is it normal practice to blame sites for what their affiliate program members do? If so, then why doesn't crypto-games have any red trust for recruiting and affiliating with game-protect? ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=874254 )

If Game Protect is an obvious scam, why not put the proofs on the table and get 5 BTC?

Get 5 BTC for proof who Game Protect scammed and for how much?

Would save you a lot of time begging for stakes and shilling for a publicly proven scam!

DarkDays

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Luptin, CMJoles is a known poker multi-accounter and paid Betcoin shill. You can find him constantly on the Betcoin chat/forum begging for stakes to play small buy in tournaments. He's never going to give an honest response or even acknowledge anything negative done by Betcoin. Just an FYI.

cjmoles

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Should we also ask why crypto-games is partnered with an obvious scammer: https://game-protect.com/partner-sites-online-gaming/

is it normal practice to blame sites for what their affiliate program members do?

When the site encourages users to sign up under this specific affiliate, when the site knowingly watches how the affiliate scams other people/their customers,
then yes, I would say they should consider taking up some responsibility for what happened.
I also fail to see how asking for a comment from their side is "blaming" them for anything.

So, you're saying that crypto-games doesn't know that its partner site, game-protect.com ( https://game-protect.com/partner-sites/ ), is taking money from it's users for quid pro quo protections that it cannot realistically provide? Betcoin did not know that a Xiao was not going to honor his contract with his referrals, and when it came to their attention that he didn't honor that contract, they did the right thing and dropped him from their affiliate program.

EDIT: It should be noted that Xiao's referrals were getting more rakeback then anybody else....they weren't being robbed, they were getting extra until Xiao went astray.

Lutpin

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Goodbye, Z.

Should we also ask why crypto-games is partnered with an obvious scammer: https://game-protect.com/partner-sites-online-gaming/

Feel free to ask them, I'm unaware of anybody being scammed by/getting their funds stolen from game-protect.
Also, I don't see how this is related to betcoinrakeback being a thief, but I'm sure you can explain it to me.

And, should we ask why he has no red trust from those default trust members who're so set on issuing out red trust to other gambling sites.

I might disagree with what game-protect does and I might often have a different opinion on topics than they do, but that does not warrant negative trust in my opinion.
I will always, and I have always, leave negative trust based on my own believes. And so should you. If you think they should be trusted negatively, go ahead.
Don't try forcing anybody else in doing so, though.