Topic: SCAM ALERT!!! Lost 0.08 BTC [Please stay safe] (Read 996 times)

It sucks. I've lost crypto to scammers as well.

Just be careful of any tokens. Anyone can make a token and anyone can make a look-alike token as well. All token platforms are vulnerable for that.
Unverified bitcoin and ethereum (and other) tokens were / are a known common scam on the waves platform.  Waves addressed the problem by creating a default spam token filter.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.39188521
https://nxtforum.org/general-discussion/scam-alert/

If you look at just the BNB (Binance token) on Ethereum - you'll see all the fake tokens that have been created with the same name.
https://etherscan.io/tokens?q=bnb



There are even forks of known coins (some of them accidental). Just be careful of people wanting to transfer coins or tokens "on the exchange".
Yobit for example has some coins listed that you cannot withdraw to another exchange. (I haven't checked on there recently)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wallets-in-maintenance-on-yobit-1862511
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3228022.20

More info:
https://cryptovest.com/education/how-to-spot-a-fake-token-or-asset/

Other than the merit ones and the main stats page: bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats and bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust then I don't think there is anything else.

Ahhhh nice. This appeases the nerd in me; thanks for the links. Both bookmarked. Now every time there's a user that says shit like "I don't know why I was banned; I didn't do anything wrong", I can do my internet sleuthing to try and find the reason why.

Any other less known logs I can bookmark?

The seclog is at: bitcointalk.org/seclog.php
In addition to what mdayonliner said, there is also a modlog that I assume you're unfamiliar with but it might be useful for you as a resource to see when users are banned, posts are deleted, etc at bitcointalk.org/modlog.php.

It's completely ok  
seclog is security log for the forum. You can access it here: https://bitcointalk.org/seclog.php

Basically on there you will be able to see recent password change, email change, if a person logged in after long period of time etc etc. In short everything related to account security of accounts.

Maybe a stupid question, but what's the seclog and where can I access it?

LOL yes, indeed.
It's another of those things when you(me) ignore the basics  

It's a month. I just checked the seclog and the record at the bottom is July 4th.
All it takes is scrolling to the bottom .

I doubt that troll has 0.08BTC LOL
You are welcome buddy and glad that you found something to be aware of from this post.

The style was very unique to me, I never thought this could be a way to take advantages of outdated coins. In fact, I did not have any prior knowledge that a coin can be outdated.

I did not have any idea about the token. I looked for it on CMC, saw it's listed there. Then I looked for the exchanges which has listed the coin and found out coinex do. I checked the price on coinex. Found the price is ok for me to take the collateral. That's it. I did not have anything else in mind like the coin I am seeing on coinex or CMC is not the same coin (actually same but with different contract address ) I was about to get as collateral. I had to pay for my lack of knowledge. I hope from now on, no one feels the same like me. Trust me it's one of those moments when you want to slap or hurt yourself badly. It becomes normal later though.

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It's ok mate. I am lucky that it was not few Bitcoin or very large amount. I can recover the amount I lost and this amount actually will not change anything big time for both me or yishak but it's an experience. For me - I had to pay a big amount to learn the lesson and for yishak - it should be a memory not to be proud of (unless he keeps his words that he promised later).

The praying part... I don't believe in people are bad, it's the situations. A very bad situation can turns a person to do something that might kill him inside for the rest of his life. You will see him alive but inside they are crying to restore their lost faith for their own. These unfortunate people deserves a chance, after all they are human. Besides if we start wishing bad or start harming the bad one for their bad acts then they never get a chance to become a better person. And you are not a fool at all, you will know when you have to stop giving them chances. There are some people who will never change their long practice.

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May be a mod can enlighten us.


@LoyceV, I noticed it when he gave me his credentials later. My guess was same like Steamtyme, he changed his regular password (perhaps email too) then gave me the temp pass, I denied to access his account then he changed his password again.

I am not sure which time is default to your PC, mine is forum time as default.
The changed time is: July 30, 2018, 09:40:13 PM - yishak - password changed
He sent me the message: July 30, 2018 @09:41:16 PM

If this is the case then I wonder did he not change the password again after I denied? 

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Exactly but it's just a guess though.

Three months for the seclog as far as I can recall.

@Loyce, he probably changed it to not include his name/reveal his actual email address to avoid spam.

Yishak was trying to give OP the account after the scam was revealed. Maybe they changed the password beforehand, if they use the password for other logins.

Or changed it after OP didn't take the account

It must have been changed at least a month ago. For how many months does it show in the trust page that the email/password has been changed?

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OP, its really nice to see that you're still giving him(yishak) the benefit of the doubt even after he scammed you and the fact that you're calmly handling things. We don't see this happening everyday or ever. Don't worry, money will come and go, and you'll rightfully get what you deserve(directly or indirectly).

Did you notice this?
This email address was recently changed too, but I don't know when.

I've been in Meta too much and didn't even pay a visit here in Scam Accusation. I won't be able to find this out if I didn't stalked at your profile  By the way I'm sorry for you loss mdayonliner, I'm proud of you because even though this scammer scammed you, you still pray for this guy's sake. Well, there's nothing I can do as well than to wish that yishak return the amount of Bitcoin he stole even if it takes a couple of months. I never had such amount of Bitcoin and if I'm the owner, I'd rather go crazy than to pray for the guy. Anyway, wishing you luck Buddy.

Expensive lesson, but a valuable one. Out of the nearly 3 years I've been a member here, I haven't seen any scams like this. Sorry about your loss, man. Regardless of what that troll said, $600 is $600. If it means nothing to him, maybe he should put up the 0.08BTC instead of making such an asinine statement.

Karma's a bitch, and I really hope that @yishak gets what's coming to him.

I appreciate you posting this, or I would never have known about this kind of scam. Thanks for sharing, @mdayonliner

Don't bother mate. It's both waste of time and the little gas price that will be needed for this useless transaction.

Scammers are everywhere. There is no safety. Scammers are too smart they try to scam new way each time..

I've thought about it but haven't tried as it's just a waste of gas for a useless token. If mdayonliner wants to try something, or wants the tokens, I can try sending it to them.

The most expensive merit trade LOL

Seem like this kind of attempts are happening quite often. We need more awareness so the community can get alerted.

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Only yishak knows what was/is in his mind. I really hope he comes up clean. A good person can turn into bad when everything is against him. I hope that's what happened with him.

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Someone had to pay for the lesson, it was overpriced though  I am happy that this experience will alert you as well since we both are in same business (kind of).

May be scammer give merit instead of btc  . I can see he given 7 merit on this thread. Even he scam btc he return you merit   . Very Merciful scammer Lol. It means he get price 0.08 BTC for 7 merit  . Please double  check next time before collateral token. Especially contract address. Because any token can be created by spending 2$ gas fee. Scammers are more advance from us.

Unfortunate. A hard lesson learnt for sure.

When reading this thread, another scam came to mind... I'd like to warn you and other people about this as well.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.23758209

Someone tried to use a fake token with similar information but wasn't actually worth anything. Just make sure you don't get played like this as well.

I have some thoughts...

if yishak the scammer planned for this, why did he use his original account (full member) and not a newbie account?  maybe using a full member account will have more chance at getting this loan, which he did.  it's like selling a full member account for $600.


did darkstar tried sending less amount of old hydro (something like 100k) to make the transaction work?  i had similar case like this before where sending my eth token to exchange always fail no matter how high the gas setting was.

A useful lesson thanks for sharing it, sucks that you had to be the fall guy that learned it the hard way.

If he's serious about this (which I highly doubt), he should start partial payments already, and not wait a few months.

If yishak pays back, I'll remove my red trust. By that time I'll decide whether or not to leave a neutral trust rating.

This is the whole point of creating the topic also to get the account tagged by the DT's. I hope the topic is spreading enough awareness to the members. I am also having a link on my signature space to help to spread the news. I hope more members will notice it and get the idea to avoid the tricks from the scammers. So far I know including me there are two other members who experienced (aTriz, jackg) the same. There must be a lot of other people are also getting scammed daily using the same method around the cryptospace and we have no clue about them.

The case marlboroza mentioned from ICOethics's PM is also a case to be alarmed.

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This make sense actually.

Unfortunately this is the world we are living. People waste their intelligence to find the shortcuts where with a little hard work they could turn it to something better and bigger. They could earn more or to have a prestigious life.

by reading your story, I am sad because you lost a lot of bitcoin. In using this kind of thing, you need to be more selective so that the events you are experiencing do not reoccur. And for the reader of this tread, be careful if you will use your coin in any activity

Probably hydro messed up something with code and holders can send less old hydro tokens than they hold:
Perhaps to try that?

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They really can't, as I said, you are not really sending tokens to exchange, you are sending tokens to ethereum wallet which is owned by exchange.

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Tokens in darkstars_'s wallet are not burned, and I don't think that address mentioned in hydro's medium is burning address. In case tokens are burned there is no possible way to recover them, as it is some kind of self destruct contract.

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I have never scammed anyone except this time 

I hope it's ok to share the PM here since there are nothing to hide. yishak actually PMed me yesterday unexpectedly...





I did not add one more coz that actually contains his account credentials. I said I don't need it. This are the replies I made...

The ones I was sent aren't burnt yet. HYDRO recommends that they be burned, but it is not required. My best guess is that you can't spend all of your HYDRO at a time perhaps? I haven't looked at the contract nor do I consider myself knowledgeable with smart contracts so I'm just guessing.

I may have given this one too much effort earlier, perhaps it was just this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectHydro/comments/84xc4q/hydro_token_reissue_faq/

@DarkStar_ I'm not entirely sure it's possible to unburn a token if that is what has happened?

Perhaps you can't spend all of your HYDRO? (or there's a seperate HYDRO fee?) The burn info page suggests this:


I couldn't care less about my escrow fee in this case, and even if I was paid, the funds would have gone to you.

This is what I've tried to say previously but not very well.
I therefore, also, don't know why they waste their time doing this when they have so much intelligence, you lost $600 - think of how quickly he could have earnt more than that actually using his skills in some way by hiring them out?


Yes that might be a wise idea to only select a set few although the top 100 have enough money thrown into them that they are probably safe enough to use without needing any special circumstances.

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No offence, but I like the fact I'm not the only one who fell for this sort of thing if you and DarkStar_ were duped by it.

Blow me! So, that was a smart guy hiding behind his computer.


Yes, now it makes lot more sense, I totally forgot that part 

I will revise the terms and will share it with all. May be I will have only a set of alts that I am comfortable with.

The exchange address is just an eth address. Your regular address is an eth address, they're the same addresses.
The scammer sent it by tricking the token process and the blockchain, DarkStar_ can't send it because he probably doesn't have much experience in ERC20 tokens (as they do nothing to benefit Bitcoin).


That would surely cause a lot more harm than good wouldn't it?
I mean the coin is supposed to be decentralised and anyone is able to produce their own token so it's impossible to do unless you use KYC for people making tokens (which isn't going to happen).


Under such conditions, people generally use the top 100 on the cmc list if that helps.

At 35 is dogecoin for example.

I see.

Thanks mate, I will do.

That's not how any blockchain should work.

Feel free to send me your draft for review when ready. I'll be thorough.

If DarkStar_ can't then how did that scammer send the tokens to DarkStar_ in the first place? It must be possible. May be the exchanges can stop incoming wrong tokens programmatically.

Totally mate.

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I am going to fully revise my lending topic. This is a draft idea I am thinking of...
If a coin/token is a top 10 on CMC then collateral can be in an independent address, if it's not then send it to an exchange. Money will sent out once the fund become available in the exchange. Also I will set stop/loss in certain percentage.

Answer is somewhere in code, perhaps DarkStar can't send tokens from that address? Not sure. Why they issued new tokens in first place? Perhaps they fucked up something in code first time. I am just guessing.

It doesn't matter, you can send every token to exchange address even if they are not listed on that exchange because you are not really sending tokens to exchange   However, they won't show in your balance if they are not listed.

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Look, there are plenty of reasons why you shouldn't accept erc tokens as collateral, whole investing in ICO is one big gamble and these tokens have "ability" to literally crash over night, then your collateral will be worth nothing, don't get me wrong on this, but whoever borrows money from you doesn't really have obligation to repay loan as they already gave you collateral, right? It is shady, I know, just saying.
After all, you will take higher collateral than your loan is worth(20% in this case), in any case whoever borrow money from you will pay huge interest.
Anyway, it is better to use top 10 altcoins as collateral, as someone already suggested, unless you really know what you are doing.

This 0.08BTC which you lost may worth a lot in future  . Unless we have huge amount in crypto, it's better not to risk your bucks in Lending business nor we should never indulge ourselves in Lending for interests. With Ethereum and Waves platform, one can generate x amount of tokens and can scam anyone. A token needs to move to its own independent blockchain after quite few months/years. Most of these tokens which doesn't move, end up being scam or becoming worthless over the years.

In future, its better to accept collateral for coins which has an independent blockchain rather than risking your btc for these worthless tokens which are created on top of other blockchain. It would be least possible for one to get scammed if they accept coins as collateral. I feel really sorry for your loss. Good luck with your Lending business if you are willing to risk your btc again to untrustworthy individuals who are roaming all around the forum to scam someone.  

This is another example of me making some decent haters on the forum besides the good ones. I actually don't care about them, the good ones all I count.

I am originated from a country where 600$ is a lot more money however I am one of those fortunate one that was able to move to a first world country and was/is able to make a good living. I had several dramatic ups and downs in my life which eventually changed me to accept the reality and not to waste time in past. I consider those downs in my life as my inspirations to become the person I am today. Honestly speaking, I am quite proud of being me.

Someone had to pay the bill 

PS: He basically suggested escrow and wanted to pay for it. Sadly DarkStar_ never got paid though. So yeah, he actually did not spend anything to execute this scam except tx fee to transfer the tokens from his address to DarkStar_'s.

Stop trolling the guy when he got scammed.  $600 is a decent chunk of change in most places on earth, and I suspect mdayonliner is from a country where it buys a lot more than other places (though I don't know anything about his finances or how much it's worth to him).  Your stupid ass is going on ignore.

OP, this is one hell of a lesson.  I can't say I understand how these tokens work, having never owned any of them, but it looks like the scammer took advantage of something he knew he'd probably get away with.  This is a good lesson for everyone taking tokens as collateral.  Too bad you're the one who paid the tuition.  Sucks you even used escrow for this.  That was smart at least.

An address which is not an exchange address. Like DarkStar_ gave an address that he owns and yishak sent the token from his address to DarkStar_'s. If I was giving an address which was not belonging to an exchange then still I might thought that I am holding some legit HYDRO LOL

I'm not sure it'll make too much of a difference though (the different address)?

That's a hell lot of bad feeling, when you realize that you just have been scammed.

I don't think you would get a red tag if you were able to show the evidence plus you can always send the tokens to the address it came from or any other ERC20 address. In the exchanges I don't know how they prevent it.

I gave an exchange address to  DarkStar_ and it was showing the following message.

"Warning! Error encountered during contract execution [Reverted]"
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x2a7c3e41ad92cb9d116293fe7b0557fc075a313a9b56a25f8505ab3d952ac0cf


So I figured it's because the address was an exchange address. I may ask DarkStar_  to send the tokens to an ERC20 address which I own.

I lost 0.15BTC in a similar way (when it was at ~$15000).
You can probably still find the topics somewhere.

The collateral was sent to me and I released the 0.15BTC after the coins were sent to an exchange but hadn't come through which was the main mistake.

I guess if I didn't send the coins and the claim was legit, someone on here would've given me a red tag. If I did (like I did) then I'd lose the money but keep my trust clean.

0.08BTC isn't that bad of a loss - even 0.15BTC isn't that dramatic.

I wish I knew this before, I could save me some of my BTC. It was DarkStar_ who spotted it. He sent the token twice but they were failing. I thought may be the GAS price was low so, I suggested him to higher the GAS price. He almost was going to try it again but before that he realized that the contract address was actually wrong. Shit happens.


Yes, I learnt it from DarkStar_ as I said I wish I would had the prior knowledge. By the way, it's ok, I will recover. Just wish that it will never happen again to me and to anyone else.

I am actually not sure. I guess I will only deal with the tokens or coin that are known to me and will do an extensive research.

I think the same. May be mod/admin/staff can use this topic and aTriz one as reference.

I am so sorry for what happened to you,man. I had witnessed a somewhat same situation that happened to aTriz. He was also scammed by someone who gave fake tokens as collateral. Refer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31956800

Don't do that. And don't accept alts. The top 100 ones in coinmarketcap should do. And double check always, like marlboroza said.

Apparently they look the same, anybody who doesn't do much research can be scammed easily.

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There should be a new sticky in the lending section about these fake collateral, just so that others aren't scammed in a similar manner.

Tokens were reissued and everyone who was holding old hydro tokens have received new hydro tokens. All holders got instructions how to burn old tokens, unfortunately, this scammer took advantage of whole situation, didn't burn tokens and they scammed mdayonliner.

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I don't think it is good solution to hold escrowed funds or collateral in exchange. You should have done more research about tokens before taking them as collateral(or before sending money to scammer), well, we all learn on our own mistakes, I hope you won't do the same mistake again.
It is important to look at smart contract address and to see if it is correct one, and, of course, to read yellow messages with important info.

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On side note

ICOethics has PM'd me something interesting few days ago, I hope they won't mind me posting it here, apparently these guys, whoever they are - https://etherscan.io/address/0xf24246e0d5399ea85dbdadcfdbc9e8f14490db58#tokentxns - are issuing fake tokens, giving them symbols of true tokens and after that they simple send tokens to etherdelta. Whoever buys them will buy fake worthless tokens.
So, to repeat again, it is very important to double check smart contract.

I have been scammed about 10 BTC last year.

So I understand your feelings right now.

Thanks mate. It's a part of life and I will recover. I am glad that it did not happen to someone who has not much, also I am glad that the amount was not like few BTC or really huge!

From now on, actually no exception. I would suggest everyone else to be more careful and perhaps add this rule that any token as collateral should be sent to an exchange of the lenders choice.

Appreciate mate.

Honestly, sorry to see that happen to you.

The blue section, is what scammers thrive on. So in the future stick to the plan you came up with to feel secure in lending.

Good luck with your future lending.

I did not either until DarkStar_ discovered it yesterday while we were having conversation on Telegram.




I would suggest everyone who is in token handing business (especially escrow, lending, buying from third party) to do the same.

Thank you, this will help to create awareness against this kind of outdated token trick. I gotta admit that he came up with a solid plan to reuse those outdated tokens.

It's the downside. I am sure from now on people will be more careful if they end up seeing this topic. It's another lesson I had to learn the hard way.

I didn't know this can happen. That's an expensive lesson in handling Ethereum tokens! I've added some red to the scam-account too.

I can only see it as another reason to stay away from tokens created out of thin air.

LOL you are not an ALT of digaran or you are?

6 posts so far... http://archive.is/0hh68

1st post: http://prntscr.com/kcjhl9
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42185900

2nd post: http://prntscr.com/kcji6r
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42186162

3rd Post: http://prntscr.com/kcjio9 2 posts after digaran http://prntscr.com/kcjiw4
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42186529


so 3/6 post (including this) you and digaran followed each others. Co-incidence?
Also you sounds like digaran to me. Co-incidence?

I could be totally wrong though 

It's only 600 bucks calm down man.  thats barely anything.

Thank you fixed it...
I hope they really do.

That is indeed a good way to authenticate these coins and verify your ability to liquidate them.  Another alternative (If you wish to hold on to these tokens personally) is to use the MetaMask wallet and visit a decentralized exchange like IDEX or EtherDelta. The coins will appear in your balance of tradeable tokens, but only you have access to them (you have to send them to the exchange with your own gas to make a trade).

Tough lesson, but you did help the community by sharing this. I'm sure both lenders and escrows will be careful to avoid this scam going forward.

Tokens are outdated but they are not burned.

My head is still boiling... I am not sure what I am gonna end up writing here. I am cool now. Please always be careful when you are in lending business or taking tokens from anyone. Always double check the token contract. From now on, any collateral as token on my lending topic must need to be sent to an exchange of my choice.

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What happened:: User yishak asked for a collateral loan of 0.08BTC

We agreed to use DarkStar_'s escrow service. yishak sent the tokens to DarkStar_

I sent the BTC

The price was dropping, and once DarkStar_ agreed to release the tokens to me to liquidate then we discovered I got scammed by user yishak.

The user sent outdated token which he did not burn.

So, I lost 0.08BTC

Scammers Profile Link: yishak

Reference Link:
https://medium.com/hydrogen-api/reissue-complete-67a322c55d5a
https://ethplorer.io/address/0x12fb5d5802c3b284761d76c3e723ea913877afba

Amount Scammed: 0.08BTC BIG TIME LOSE

Preev price

Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/e5b3969791e5ae935a4c59360a8325112e758bf55b5c4c35f66975010019a782
PM/Chat Logs: http://archive.is/tNeAC
Additional Notes: Just be careful. I was 100% sure that my investment was 100% secured. It was never in reality.