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Quote from: hilariousandco on October 10, 2014, 02:39:52 AM

That's because he's immature and stubborn and cries hysterically when he doesn't get his own way or something doesn't go on his own terms. Look how he acted. He could've sent that money he stole straight back, but he tried to dictate the return on his own terms and gave away all his alts just trying to defend the situation. If he was going to give anything back he would've done it by now, but he'll more than likely try use that money as some kind of futile bargaining chip. I still can't fathom we he did any of this. Does he have some kind of gambling problem? It just doesn't make sense.

He has told us in the prcdice troll box that he is borderline retarded.

this conversation might help you understand the complexity of Zolace.. A previous bounty link about zolace was posted and this is the chat box...

17:29: zolace that was because i caught the guy scamming
17:29: zolace read the whole threa
17:29: zolace i warned others
17:29: zolace but he still got away with the scam
17:29: zolace go check his feedback
17:29: ricky zolace ur an anal bead
17:30: a1choi i stick zolace where the sun dont shine
17:30: zolace I need to ask anyone work with a ticket system
17:30: ricky a1 free roll soon
17:30: zolace like a service ticket system
17:30: icp4life i get confused when zolace speaks

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That's because he's immature and stubborn and cries hysterically when he doesn't get his own way or something doesn't go on his own terms. Look how he acted. He could've sent that money he stole straight back, but he tried to dictate the return on his own terms and gave away all his alts just trying to defend the situation. If he was going to give anything back he would've done it by now, but he'll more than likely try use that money as some kind of futile bargaining chip. I still can't fathom we he did any of this. Does he have some kind of gambling problem? It just doesn't make sense.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on October 08, 2014, 11:09:53 AM

Zolace never meant to get caught scamming and using multiple accounts? No shit. Zolace could've paid the debt off anytime. He had more than enough funds in his alt account addresses. What is his explanation for trying to steal the money in the first place? An interest free loan that he could return whenever he wanted? He did something stupid and greedy and got caught for it and is now paying the consequences. He also won't get his account back even if he repays his debt, but that's the minimum he should do along with an apology to the guy he scammed. Don't know why he would want the account back any way since he's forever tarnished the name. Apparently he has over fifty accounts so I don't see why he's that bothered about this one and a handful of others.

It seems the more I talk to him, the less likely he is to give anything back to Timz. Come to prcdice.eu to talk to zolace, he is there almost everyday. He has the money to pay back the wrongs (and gambles a bit). For some reason he thinks everyone else wronged him... I'm still trying to understand that logic. I guess, Never trust anyone selling illegal Credit cards!

To the people who bought cards, are they still working?

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Quote from: CrackedLogic on October 02, 2014, 02:44:12 PM

Woah, I never thought that this was zolace's real side.

Did he pay back yet?

Guys, I am helping Zolace repay his debts to Timz. I will message him personally and mediate a solution. Zolace never intended this to go like it did. I hope we can come to a solution quickly. I also hope we can restore the zolace account once this is paid back as he truly never intended for this.

if I had to guess this is an alt of zolace trying to get rid of his neg trust in his now near worthless accounts. I saw a listing for newbie accounts and this is probably one of them.

Also now that I think about it I wonder how many people he did this to. I can imagine his story of giving the "wrong " address to be somewhat believable to some people and they wouldn't think to open a scam accusation or they assume their claim wouldn't be taken seriously.

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Probably zolace want to continue with his business, like a cards or telephone numbers. Using new account with similar offers would be suspicious. Nonetheless I still got nothing back.

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Zolace never meant to get caught scamming and using multiple accounts? No shit. Zolace could've paid the debt off anytime. He had more than enough funds in his alt account addresses. What is his explanation for trying to steal the money in the first place? An interest free loan that he could return whenever he wanted? He did something stupid and greedy and got caught for it and is now paying the consequences. He also won't get his account back even if he repays his debt, but that's the minimum he should do along with an apology to the guy he scammed. Don't know why he would want the account back any way since he's forever tarnished the name. Apparently he has over fifty accounts so I don't see why he's that bothered about this one and a handful of others.

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Quote from: CrackedLogic on October 02, 2014, 02:44:12 PM

Woah, I never thought that this was zolace's real side.

Did he pay back yet?

Guys, I am helping Zolace repay his debts to Timz. I will message him personally and mediate a solution. Zolace never intended this to go like it did. I hope we can come to a solution quickly. I also hope we can restore the zolace account once this is paid back as he truly never intended for this.

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Woah, I never thought that this was zolace's real side.

Did he pay back yet?

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Quote from: timz on October 02, 2014, 01:33:46 AM

Quote from: blumangroup on October 01, 2014, 11:24:32 PM

One person legitimately (KWH) suggested the OP post a TXID of the trade in question and several of his sockpuppets chimed in saying that the OP should post this. Zolice was likely betting that the OP did not understand enough about bitcoin to be able to find the TXID (I would speculate that the OP had to learn how to find this after he posted the scam accusation).

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2012. I didn't post many, but read forum a lot. I deeply understand how the network works at all levels. As I said I was surprised that someone can try to cheat 'newbie' such brazen way.

Even if you are an "expert" as to how Bitcoin works, I would still say that you likely would not have posted the proof that you provided if you had not been egged on by zolace's sockpuppets - I think the thread would have simply died and and would be ignored as he was somewhat a respected member of the community

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Quote from: zolace on October 02, 2014, 05:11:14 AM

Quote from: hilariousandco on October 02, 2014, 04:58:43 AM

Quote from: ForgottenPassword on October 02, 2014, 04:26:16 AM

More of his sockpuppets:

umair9829: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umair9829-55349
umairsaleem010: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umairsaleem010-76446

Looks like he also buys/sells accounts here.

Do you have proof? Those accounts belonged to an account farmer (or at least used to - could be zolace I suppose) but I think the umairsaleem010 one was sold to someone and it got banned for 60 days soon after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/banned-60-days-730320

Quote from: forsakenpnut on August 14, 2014, 01:19:29 AM

@zolace get your spam off my thread.

And im still banned. Also I didnt participate in the same sig campaign.

forsakenpnut is the alt account of umairsaleem010 so the above would suggest it wasn't, unless it was a double bluff.

Quote from: Rigon on August 09, 2014, 05:56:40 AM

well if you bought an account for sig purposes then your abusing them anyway cause only one person can participate in the sig campaign one time, thus, the op of the sig should be warned

lol.

lol is funny how you guys try to connect me by names and post activity, etc. Keep going!!!
hows this I have over 50 alt accounts, via hero accounts, but most you cant proove there connected. some accounts you wont even think there alts of me. Damn time to get to work forgotten password. how much they paying you?

Ill give you a clue on 5 on that list is right. most are wrongly accussed, oh wait bad bear is depending on a shared IP right? now I know to becareful with the rest of them. good luck. Ill continue to post to aid my other alt accounts.

I hope you realize that you could have sold your account for more then you scammed for, you would just had to wait for good signature campaigns to come around for prices to go up.

You said above that you will pay timz back but there is no reason why you would need to wait as you had control of the Btc the entire time.

Also are you going to pay back stunna and DB from you scamming them my inflating your post count by responding to your own posts?

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Quote from: Vod on October 02, 2014, 05:15:51 AM

Quote from: zolace on October 02, 2014, 05:11:14 AM

lol is funny how you guys try to connect me by names and post activity, etc. Keep going!!!
hows this I have over 50 alt accounts, via hero accounts, but most you cant proove there connected. some accounts you wont even think there alts of me. Damn time to get to work forgotten password. how much they paying you?

Dude, just ignore the comments and pay off your debt as an honest person would. Then you can go on your way and damn whatever people say about you.

I agree, I am better then most of the people can say about me. Timz even though you think you know who and I am and saying I have alt accounts, Im still going to give your bitcoins back. I wanted to keep this private fixed between me and you like before but again you pressed to call me a scammer. Still I feel that this went out of hand and once I get those btc, im going to refund you with the address you gave me in private, Thank you vod for your support.

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Quote from: zolace on October 02, 2014, 05:11:14 AM

lol is funny how you guys try to connect me by names and post activity, etc. Keep going!!!
hows this I have over 50 alt accounts, via hero accounts, but most you cant proove there connected. some accounts you wont even think there alts of me. Damn time to get to work forgotten password. how much they paying you?

Those two accounts were not identified because they have similar names or because they log in at similar times.

And I don't care enough to actually go and find your alts and list them out. Why would I waste my time on a bottom-feeder.

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Quote from: zolace on October 02, 2014, 05:11:14 AM

lol is funny how you guys try to connect me by names and post activity, etc. Keep going!!!
hows this I have over 50 alt accounts, via hero accounts, but most you cant proove there connected. some accounts you wont even think there alts of me. Damn time to get to work forgotten password. how much they paying you?

Dude, just ignore the comments and pay off your debt as an honest person would. Then you can go on your way and damn whatever people say about you.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on October 02, 2014, 04:58:43 AM

Quote from: ForgottenPassword on October 02, 2014, 04:26:16 AM

More of his sockpuppets:

umair9829: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umair9829-55349
umairsaleem010: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umairsaleem010-76446

Looks like he also buys/sells accounts here.

Do you have proof? Those accounts belonged to an account farmer (or at least used to - could be zolace I suppose) but I think the umairsaleem010 one was sold to someone and it got banned for 60 days soon after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/banned-60-days-730320

Quote from: forsakenpnut on August 14, 2014, 01:19:29 AM

@zolace get your spam off my thread.

And im still banned. Also I didnt participate in the same sig campaign.

forsakenpnut is the alt account of umairsaleem010 so the above would suggest it wasn't, unless it was a double bluff.

Quote from: Rigon on August 09, 2014, 05:56:40 AM

well if you bought an account for sig purposes then your abusing them anyway cause only one person can participate in the sig campaign one time, thus, the op of the sig should be warned

lol.

lol is funny how you guys try to connect me by names and post activity, etc. Keep going!!!
hows this I have over 50 alt accounts, via hero accounts, but most you cant proove there connected. some accounts you wont even think there alts of me. Damn time to get to work forgotten password. how much they paying you?

Ill give you a clue on 5 on that list is right. most are wrongly accussed, oh wait bad bear is depending on a shared IP right? now I know to becareful with the rest of them. good luck. Ill continue to post to aid my other alt accounts.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on October 02, 2014, 04:58:43 AM

Do you have proof? Those accounts belonged to an account farmer (or at least used to - could be zolace I suppose) but I think the umairsaleem010 one was sold to someone and it got banned for 60 days soon after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/banned-60-days-730320

Quote from: forsakenpnut on August 14, 2014, 01:19:29 AM

@zolace get your spam off my thread.

And im still banned. Also I didnt participate in the same sig campaign.

forsakenpnut is the alt account of umairsaleem010 so the above would suggest it wasn't, unless it was a double bluff.

Quote from: Rigon on August 09, 2014, 05:56:40 AM

well if you bought an account for sig purposes then your abusing them anyway cause only one person can participate in the sig campaign one time, thus, the op of the sig should be warned

lol.

I should have mentioned, umairsaleem010 appears to have been sold to forsakenpnut. I do not think forsakenpnut is zolace, but I am fairly confident that both umairsaleem010 and umair9829 once belonged to zolace.

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Quote from: ForgottenPassword on October 02, 2014, 04:26:16 AM

More of his sockpuppets:

umair9829: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umair9829-55349
umairsaleem010: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umairsaleem010-76446

Looks like he also buys/sells accounts here.

Do you have proof? Those accounts belonged to an account farmer (or at least used to - could be zolace I suppose) but I think the umairsaleem010 one was sold to someone and it got banned for 60 days soon after: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/banned-60-days-730320

Quote from: forsakenpnut on August 14, 2014, 01:19:29 AM

@zolace get your spam off my thread.

And im still banned. Also I didnt participate in the same sig campaign.

forsakenpnut is the alt account of umairsaleem010 so the above would suggest it wasn't, unless it was a double bluff.

Quote from: Rigon on August 09, 2014, 05:56:40 AM

well if you bought an account for sig purposes then your abusing them anyway cause only one person can participate in the sig campaign one time, thus, the op of the sig should be warned

lol.

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More of his sockpuppets:

umair9829: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umair9829-55349
umairsaleem010: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/umairsaleem010-76446

Looks like he also buys/sells accounts here.

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Quote from: zolace

I contacted you and try this work this out long ago, but you labeled me scammer the first day of the mistake. No excuse for what I did. I even pm you to work it out that day as well but you did it anyway right? Post all my PMs Tim to show that I wanted to work it out? Timz I remember who you are, you bought from me once I believe if not then your name does sound familiar as I erase most of my messages I cant recall if I sold you before or not. I dont care if im paid for posting or now, Im still gonna keep posting,

Its chump change you all can keep your negatives, all you did tim was stopped my one sale at this website, I have other sites I sell from and yes I dont use the same user name so go ahead and try to look for them. by the way most of those accounts up there are not mine, Thank god you didnt get my other 30 accounts I was smart to keep them hidden Grin

try harder bear, now Ill go back to posting, see ya

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Quote from: Vod on October 01, 2014, 09:04:22 PM

Zolace did ask me to remove my negative trust for two weeks so he could pay off his debt.

Please don't do it before I receive money back. Actually 0.473 BTC is absolutely nothing for me. But I was very surprised how zolace tried to discredit me. Initially I didn't post any proofs here because I couldn't imagine that he don't plead the guilty and will try to blame me! I'm happy to help community to get rid of such persons and alt accounts.

Quote from: blumangroup on October 01, 2014, 11:24:32 PM

One person legitimately (KWH) suggested the OP post a TXID of the trade in question and several of his sockpuppets chimed in saying that the OP should post this. Zolice was likely betting that the OP did not understand enough about bitcoin to be able to find the TXID (I would speculate that the OP had to learn how to find this after he posted the scam accusation).

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2012. I didn't post many, but read forum a lot. I deeply understand how the network works at all levels. As I said I was surprised that someone can try to cheat 'newbie' such brazen way.

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Quote from: BadBear on October 01, 2014, 10:55:11 PM

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt too, but after the way he defended himself using his sockpuppets, used his socks to attempt to discredit the OP, and now his threats via PM to me...it's getting hard.

Also, zolace, you can't bully me. Many have tried and failed.

IMO the irony here is that the OP would likely have not given VOD the proof nor would have been able to give proof of the scam if it was not for zolace's sockpuppets.

One person legitimately (KWH) suggested the OP post a TXID of the trade in question and several of his sockpuppets chimed in saying that the OP should post this. Zolice was likely betting that the OP did not understand enough about bitcoin to be able to find the TXID (I would speculate that the OP had to learn how to find this after he posted the scam accusation).

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I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt too, but after the way he defended himself using his sockpuppets, used his socks to attempt to discredit the OP, and now his threats via PM to me...it's getting hard.

Also, zolace, you can't bully me. Many have tried and failed.

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Quote from: haploid23 on October 01, 2014, 10:47:21 PM

Quote from: Vod on October 01, 2014, 09:04:22 PM

Zolace did ask me to remove my negative trust for two weeks so he could pay off his debt.

What does a red profile have to do with the ability to pay off debt? I don't get the connection here. Normally you pay off debt to show good faith, THEN the negative trust gets removed.

If he can earn money via a signature campaign then he can pay back with those earnings, but if he has red trust then he effectively cannot earn via signature campaigns.

The problem is that the BTC was apparently sent to an alt of his so there is no reason why he cannot issue a refund now.

I also counted 4 alts of his that should have received payment today from the DB signature campaign so there is even less reason as to why zolace should not be able to refund the OP

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Quote from: Vod on October 01, 2014, 09:04:22 PM

Zolace did ask me to remove my negative trust for two weeks so he could pay off his debt.

What does a red profile have to do with the ability to pay off debt? I don't get the connection here. Normally you pay off debt to show good faith, THEN the negative trust gets removed.

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Zolace did ask me to remove my negative trust for two weeks so he could pay off his debt.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt (as long as he made daily payments) but I'm not the only person who has left him trust.

I hope he was truthful when he says he is an honest person, and makes good on his debt even with the trust. That's what an honest person would do. If he does that, I'll remove my trust.

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i can't believe it, Zolace did this.

What a shame you are...

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How sad zolace, you got called out by a newb, and worst of all you seem to think it's ok to scam because you were mad. Well all your accounts are gone now, do time to get a real job.

And you were asking me for a 1btc+ loan Roll Eyes

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Due to the overwhelming amount of information provided here by Staff members, I have removed my post that was supportive of Zolace. I had good interactions with him on IRC, but it appears he has gone the way of the dark side.

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I have seen zolace and umar "discussing" the topics on many politics and society threads (both with paid sigs). I always thought he was just responding to himself to increase his post count. Maybe he scammed because of the lower income now that PD has closed its campaign and the DB campaign is finished.

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Quote from: hilariousandco on October 01, 2014, 06:53:45 AM

So let me get this straight. Zolace gave someone the wrong address for payment and he's now refusing to refund the buyer?

Quote from: timz on September 30, 2014, 05:43:02 AM

Seems also zolace has several accounts: latinna, umair127 and probably noviapriani. He sent me PM by mistake from umair127 instead of zolace and replied "Never mind ..." in 30 sec from zolace account.

Interesting. It's quite obvious just from mere observation that noviapriani, umair127, sana8410, Rigon and more recently
Mr Bitty all belong to the same person and I guess it now makes sense that zolace is the guy behind them all.

Edit: Confirmed alts:

Quote from: ?? on ??

Zolace got greedy. No idea why he would try scam for such a relatively small amount when he must've been making some serious coin chatting away to himself.

Also, called it earlier:

Quote from: hilariousandco on September 16, 2014, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: sana8410 on September 16, 2014, 09:29:28 AM

When you eliminate a source of knowledge…You become an idiot…People behave the same today as they behaved than, strangely every things the same…Actually one of the best arguments against evolution is the fact that we haven't changed…Still full of greed, envy, all of the vices…Behaviors have remain the same.

Quote from: umair127 on September 16, 2014, 09:43:17 AM

My road to belief led to the point that god did not exist. If god doesn't exist, nothing matters. Loving, striving, doing the right thing are all purposeless. There is not enough in any one of them to keep going. Also, if god doesn't exist, how did everything come to be? Whatever rationale, god had to have come up with it. Either evolution, the big bang, no matter what, someone had to have designed it.

Otherwise, why bother. Let it all hang out. Anything goes. You only live once.

What does either of these have to do with what characterizes an atheist? Not to mention they're both pretty naive reasons for belief. Also, it always makes me laugh to see you two 'debating' when you're obviously the same person Roll Eyes

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WTF I am on the list? Huh

?? I just saw my neg rating and im being called zolace???

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So let me get this straight. Zolace gave someone the wrong address for payment and he's now refusing to refund the buyer?

Quote from: timz on September 30, 2014, 05:43:02 AM

Seems also zolace has several accounts: latinna, umair127 and probably noviapriani. He sent me PM by mistake from umair127 instead of zolace and replied "Never mind ..." in 30 sec from zolace account.

Interesting. It's quite obvious just from mere observation that noviapriani, umair127, sana8410, Rigon and more recently
Mr Bitty all belong to the same person and I guess it now makes sense that zolace is the guy behind them all.

Edit: Confirmed alts:

Quote from: ?? on ??

Zolace got greedy. No idea why he would try scam for such a relatively small amount when he must've been making some serious coin chatting away to himself.

Also, called it earlier:

Quote from: hilariousandco on September 16, 2014, 09:52:09 AM

Quote from: sana8410 on September 16, 2014, 09:29:28 AM

When you eliminate a source of knowledge…You become an idiot…People behave the same today as they behaved than, strangely every things the same…Actually one of the best arguments against evolution is the fact that we haven't changed…Still full of greed, envy, all of the vices…Behaviors have remain the same.

Quote from: umair127 on September 16, 2014, 09:43:17 AM

My road to belief led to the point that god did not exist. If god doesn't exist, nothing matters. Loving, striving, doing the right thing are all purposeless. There is not enough in any one of them to keep going. Also, if god doesn't exist, how did everything come to be? Whatever rationale, god had to have come up with it. Either evolution, the big bang, no matter what, someone had to have designed it.

Otherwise, why bother. Let it all hang out. Anything goes. You only live once.

What does either of these have to do with what characterizes an atheist? Not to mention they're both pretty naive reasons for belief. Also, it always makes me laugh to see you two 'debating' when you're obviously the same person Roll Eyes

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What?? Zolace reveals himself as a bottom feeding douche? I'm SHOCKED!

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Quote from: Vod on September 30, 2014, 05:55:28 PM

Well, Zolace sent me a PM back... Undecided

Quote from: zolace on September 30, 2014, 08:40:24 AM

Vod I told him to give me time to pay for the mistake I did and he didnt he outright called me a scammer, the truth is when he did that I got pissed and decided the btc I make I wont give him back. I copied my btc address and gave him the wrong one, you can neg me all you want, but I can just buy another senior account or he can get his btc back slowly. If you checked he wasnnt willing to work with me. I was going to get him the cards out of my pocket. I can sell the account and recover some of the funds. or just pay him from the campaign

Zolace, being pissed off at someone is not a legit reason for not paying your debts.

I urge you to repay him as soon as you can, and I for one will remove my negative trust.

Wow that is low, it's like he tries to justify the scam every other sentence. Zolace, here's a tip, the money doesn't come out of your pocket if it was stolen by you in the first place. I expect he'll try to sell those sockpuppet accounts now that they have been compromised here.

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Well, Zolace sent me a PM back... Undecided

Quote from: zolace on September 30, 2014, 08:40:24 AM

Vod I told him to give me time to pay for the mistake I did and he didnt he outright called me a scammer, the truth is when he did that I got pissed and decided the btc I make I wont give him back. I copied my btc address and gave him the wrong one, you can neg me all you want, but I can just buy another senior account or he can get his btc back slowly. If you checked he wasnnt willing to work with me. I was going to get him the cards out of my pocket. I can sell the account and recover some of the funds. or just pay him from the campaign

Zolace, being pissed off at someone is not a legit reason for not paying your debts.

I urge you to repay him as soon as you can, and I for one will remove my negative trust.

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Its ok I understand the situation man, I been there and done that, that like I said I do post responses as I am very active on these forums. I do tend to back people I think I know. I would have backed up Vod if you had accused him. I can take screen shots of other users who post on the political forums and have same similar stats for each category. as well and like I said I bought cards from him. I bought two and if I can find the invoices he sent me for them, then I can pm you that info as well. As for now im staying away from you man cause is like your on that Vendetta on who turned on you, even from the beginning you did it to KHW cause he left you a negative and so did others including me. lol for now on im going to mind my own business. Good luck with getting your money back.

FYI I said I have no certs lol, difference buddy.

ok found the link where the guy had a bounty on him, nor did i back him up here. Case closed now leave me alone and attack the one responsible.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7316193

timz

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I'm sorry noviapriani if I'm wrong.
I can explain why I think noviapriani affiliated with zolace.

First, they have the same timezone, similar interests and timeframe activity:

They both posted not only in the same popular topics, but also in exotic, like this one, and their posts are very similar.

Second. noviapriani and zolace started talk about photoshop BEFORE I've put evidence in this topic or elsewhere:

The point is they posted this before any pics from me. They expected PMs screenshots and they were ready to blame me in photoshop. They didn't expect video!

So I have some questions to noviapriani.
You are from India, right?

Quote from: noviapriani on September 29, 2014, 10:03:28 AM

I bought from zolace before and never had any issues, this is not the first time I seen false accusation against him. The last user photoshop the message. Let me see if I can find that thread.

Did you find this thread? Let us see, please. I hope it was not your fantasy to cover zolace.

Quote from: noviapriani on September 30, 2014, 05:23:23 AM

Anyway Tim sorry I left u negative but I chat with that user and even bought cards from him and never had issues

I can't find your conversation with zolace in the thread. So I guess you contacted via PM? We know you can make even fake ID, not only screenshot in photoshop. So could you please make a short screencast video showing your conversation with zolace about cards you've purchased? And prove your payment?
In the video you must go to PM from another page (this thread for example), and we must see the address bitcointalk.org in the browser.

I hope I'm wrong and I would happy to apologize.

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Quote from: ForgottenPassword on September 30, 2014, 06:17:54 AM

Quote from: noviapriani on September 30, 2014, 06:10:36 AM

If Im a possible zolace then so is KHW who was against you as well? right? This is a big community to start finger pointing the fact is you need hard core proof to make all these accusations. I understand you wanna ruin this guy but damn you have to blame others as well?

I never made any accusations, care to quote where I did? I just pointed out those accounts all have similar posting times, writing style and the same timezone set in the profile. Do you agree?

KWH does not have a similar writing style, he has a different timezone set and posts at different times, but I'm sure there are probably other accounts here who fit it that are not sockpuppets. All I'm saying is there are similarities and it wouldn't surprise me if they were sockpuppets given each account is in some way connected to this accusation.

I honestly don't want to ruin anyone, I'm just pointing out what I see, I'll let others be the judge.

I was referencing to timz, not you but now that you posted the same thing he should have posted I can point that your a sock puppet account since you been so focoused posting here the last few minutes, again this to show that assumptions dont mean anything. like I said earlier I debate with this guy and done business with him. so yeah I or others that had done business with him can all be sock puppets as well. This is the point I am trying to make out.

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Quote from: noviapriani on September 30, 2014, 06:10:36 AM

If Im a possible zolace then so is KHW who was against you as well? right? This is a big community to start finger pointing the fact is you need hard core proof to make all these accusations. I understand you wanna ruin this guy but damn you have to blame others as well?

I never made any accusations, care to quote where I did? I just pointed out those accounts all have similar posting times, writing style and the same timezone set in the profile. Do you agree?

KWH does not have a similar writing style, he has a different timezone set and posts at different times, but I'm sure there are probably other accounts here who fit it that are not sockpuppets. All I'm saying is there are similarities and it wouldn't surprise me if they were sockpuppets given each account is in some way connected to this accusation.

I honestly don't want to ruin anyone, I'm just pointing out what I see, I'll let others be the judge.

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Quote from: ForgottenPassword on September 30, 2014, 05:45:23 AM

Quote from: timz on September 30, 2014, 05:43:02 AM

Seems also zolace has several accounts: latinna, umair127 and probably noviapriani. He sent me PM by mistake from umair127 instead of zolace and replied "Never mind ..." in 30 sec from zolace account.

They all fit the same profile too, hmm..... Grin

If Im a possible zolace then so is KHW who was against you as well? right? This is a big community to start finger pointing the fact is you need hard core proof to make all these accusations. I understand you wanna ruin this guy but damn you have to blame others as well?

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Quote from: timz on September 30, 2014, 05:43:02 AM

Seems also zolace has several accounts: latinna, umair127 and probably noviapriani. He sent me PM by mistake from umair127 instead of zolace and replied "Never mind ..." in 30 sec from zolace account.

They all fit the same profile too, hmm..... Grin

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I've received PM from zolace.

Quote from: zolace on September 30, 2014, 09:10:08 AM

IF you work things out and call off the ops, then we can work something out and I can get u the funds back but if they neg me then u lost it for good, then later on ill just buy an alt account. you should have tried to work it out with me in the beginning, I told you not to call me a scammer and you did that on day one. so now how it proceeds is your choice, get this account negged then honestly I dont think ill pay you. If you tell them we will work it out from here then I can get your funds back in a few weeks from now or the cards.

It is a evidence that zolace a scammer who buys accounts and cheats people.
So zolace, there is only one way to restore your reputation - immediately refund and make apology to community. It is not a big sum for me, and I will happy to stop scammer until other people suffered.

Seems also zolace has several accounts: latinna, umair127 and probably noviapriani. He sent me PM by mistake from umair127 instead of zolace and replied "Never mind ..." in 30 sec from zolace account.

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I also find it curious that sparkleboy left timz negative feedback, could this be another sockpuppet of zolace? Again, the posting times fit the profile of the above two accounts and post in mostly the same forum sub sections. Got to wonder if zolace has been buying up accounts to try and pull scams.

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Quote from: noviapriani on September 30, 2014, 05:23:23 AM

That dont prove anything as I checked activity is updating constantly, I even matched up with a few people as well. Anyway Tim sorry I left u negative but I chat with that user and even bought cards from him and never had issues

Of course on its own it doesn't prove anything, but when the two users are also providing the same bitcoin address and posting in similar types of threads with similar writing style and at similar times and are both in the same timezone it does raise some questions.

I'm not accusing them of being sockpuppets, but I wouldn't be so surprised if they were...

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That dont prove anything as I checked activity is updating constantly, I even matched up with a few people as well. Anyway Tim sorry I left u negative but I chat with that user and even bought cards from him and never had issues

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I've found out something interesting though I haven't looked into it too carefully. Checking both Zolace and latinna's profiles, I noticed both have set the same timezone on their account.

Not only that, there is a somewhat similar posting time activity for both users, see below screenshot, top is zolace and bottom is latinna - a clear peak can be seen around 11:00 to 18:00 UTC for both users. On top of that, the most popular board of both users is the Politics & Society board, with both off-topic and economics being popular too.

Quite a coincidence is it not? Grin

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so video is true? I removed my negative due to the proof you provided vod. Since Vod confirmed it. I guess there is a new way to combat scamming.

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Quote from: Vod on September 30, 2014, 01:12:06 AM

timz - you should consider giving KWH or I access to your account, so we can prove those PM's exist and the video wasn't edited.

Do you know the easy way to edit such videos? Shocked

Ok, I can give the access to my PMs for you, not a problem.

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Licking my boob since 1970

I sent zolace a PM asking when he would be repaying. In this video, Zolace said it would take until Sep 21. Undecided

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwr0uWMpK-k

timz - you should consider giving KWH or I access to your account, so we can prove those PM's exist and the video wasn't edited.

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zolace has logged on since I sent the PM. I will take it he isn't interested in refuting the accusation. In light of the video sent, I am tentative removing the negative until other verification is completed.

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Quote from: timz on September 29, 2014, 02:50:52 PM

Quote from: KWH on September 29, 2014, 02:46:36 PM

timz, can you explain this feedback left on my account?

I guess you have to ask zolace, not me.

I have sent zolace a PM to refute the charge. From that video, zolace claims he sent you the wrong address 35 minutes after the fact.
Please post your video here.

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Quote from: Fortify on September 29, 2014, 02:55:25 PM

Not going to get involved, but this is wrong. Theymos in the past has checked PM's to figure out who the scammer is in certain situations. Which is perfectly fine as all that data is stored on his servers and can be checked any time.

Good news, thank you!

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Quote from: noviapriani on September 29, 2014, 01:57:28 PM

Admin dont have the right to check PMs by the way.

Not going to get involved, but this is wrong. Theymos in the past has checked PM's to figure out who the scammer is in certain situations. Which is perfectly fine as all that data is stored on his servers and can be checked any time.

timz

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Quote from: KWH on September 29, 2014, 02:46:36 PM

timz, can you explain this feedback left on my account?

I guess you have to ask zolace, not me.

timz

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Quote from: KWH on September 29, 2014, 02:34:54 PM

Try harder.
How about a screen shot of the PMs? I especially want to see where zolace himself posted that address.
I believe most in this community are tired of newbies (or anyone) posting unproven allegations against the members.
If you feel you need to report me, you may do just that.

Quote from: noviapriani on September 29, 2014, 02:41:17 PM

ol dude I can make a fake screen shot like in 45 minutes.

Ok, screenshot could be falsified easily as well. What about video? Sent you in PM. Please check.

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timz, can you explain this feedback left on my account?

Note the address at the bottom.

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Quote from: KWH on September 29, 2014, 02:34:54 PM

Quote from: timz on September 29, 2014, 01:46:48 PM

Quote from: zolace on September 15, 2014, 12:12:31 PM

1AoHy9a7iAYg8nuP8ak36k2dn79ALoUT52 Please send .473 the extra charge is for the initial top up for both cards.

Thanks

Admin can check our PMs. zolace requested 0.473 BTC to 1AoHy9a7iAYg8nuP8ak36k2dn79ALoUT52, I've paid https://blockchain.info/tx/549183998e8f53afe7e894f1a11c6732e4589798754aba49b9103c6ea598000b

After this he told it was 'wrong' address etc, etc. I didn't receive cards nor bitcoins back.
KWH, please remove negative rating from my account, otherwise I will think zolace is your second account and will report to admin.

Quote from: timz on September 29, 2014, 06:35:29 AM

My name is timz and I like cheese. I ride my trike and spit raisin juice at passers by.

Try harder.
How about a screen shot of the PMs? I especially want to see where zolace himself posted that address.
I believe most in this community are tired of newbies (or anyone) posting unproven allegations against the members.
If you feel you need to report me, you may do just that.

lol dude I can make a fake screen shot like in 45 minutes. If he had this in the thread it be much easier to prove but check out his feedback, he has enough to show that he did this to someone else already. all you need is gimp and then resave the pic so u cant see no xray movements. These are tricks I learned when I use to make fake IDs for people wanted to get into clubs.

IM laughing my ass off with the cheese thing.

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Quote from: timz on September 29, 2014, 01:46:48 PM

Quote from: zolace on September 15, 2014, 12:12:31 PM

1AoHy9a7iAYg8nuP8ak36k2dn79ALoUT52 Please send .473 the extra charge is for the initial top up for both cards.

Thanks

Admin can check our PMs. zolace requested 0.473 BTC to 1AoHy9a7iAYg8nuP8ak36k2dn79ALoUT52, I've paid https://blockchain.info/tx/549183998e8f53afe7e894f1a11c6732e4589798754aba49b9103c6ea598000b

After this he told it was 'wrong' address etc, etc. I didn't receive cards nor bitcoins back.
KWH, please remove negative rating from my account, otherwise I will think zolace is your second account and will report to admin.

Quote from: timz on September 29, 2014, 06:35:29 AM

My name is timz and I like cheese. I ride my trike and spit raisin juice at passers by.

Try harder.
How about a screen shot of the PMs? I especially want to see where zolace himself posted that address.
I believe most in this community are tired of newbies (or anyone) posting unproven allegations against the members.
If you feel you need to report me, you may do just that.

noviapriani

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This guy is accusing everyone and took a long time to do to post the tx ID, I guess your going to accuse me of being zolace also? Admin dont have the right to check PMs by the way. I also checked the profile BTC Address and the address I see nothing linking them or tracing back to his original btc address. your a fraud dude. Newbies coming here trying to fuck up peoples reps, even KHW lol

also if KHW is zolace then there is no problem as long as the accounts are not banned, your allowed to have multiple accounts there is nothing against it.

timz

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Quote from: zolace on September 15, 2014, 12:12:31 PM

1AoHy9a7iAYg8nuP8ak36k2dn79ALoUT52 Please send .473 the extra charge is for the initial top up for both cards.

Thanks

Admin can check our PMs. zolace requested 0.473 BTC to 1AoHy9a7iAYg8nuP8ak36k2dn79ALoUT52, I've paid https://blockchain.info/tx/549183998e8f53afe7e894f1a11c6732e4589798754aba49b9103c6ea598000b

After this he told it was 'wrong' address etc, etc. I didn't receive cards nor bitcoins back.
KWH, please remove negative rating from my account, otherwise I will think zolace is your second account and will report to admin.

Outlander

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Did you try to send a PM ? He is currently online right now.

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Seems fake, if i have account with 3300 posts i wont scam 250$ at least 2000$

vevo

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yup I agree with noiviana, and also the op has negatives not the first time i seen fake accussations

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Quote from: noviapriani on September 29, 2014, 11:17:17 AM

Quote from: Tomatocage on September 29, 2014, 11:04:41 AM

Like KWH said, post the TxID...

The tx ID wont prove anything if the accuser Photoshop a message using his own txID, he could have sent it to himself and messages can be Photoshop as well, seen this scam before. If the accuser shows that he sent funds to the profile bitcoin address that is listed in his profile, then the accused is a scammer, if he cant show that, then is a false accusation. Am I right? I think i caught on the new scamming trick lol

Actually it will. Again, I ask for it to be posted.

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Quote from: Tomatocage on September 29, 2014, 11:04:41 AM

Like KWH said, post the TxID...

The tx ID wont prove anything if the accuser Photoshop a message using his own txID, he could have sent it to himself and messages can be Photoshop as well, seen this scam before. If the accuser shows that he sent funds to the profile bitcoin address that is listed in his profile, then the accused is a scammer, if he cant show that, then is a false accusation. Am I right? I think i caught on the new scamming trick lol

Tomatocage

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brb keeping up with the Kardashians

Like KWH said, post the TxID...

BBQcopter

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People defintley cant trust users with new accounts, making false accusations against members. I on black hat world got accussed for something I didnt do also. Zolace feedback looks legit and there is feedback for cards he sold, maybe he locked it cause he is sold out?

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I bought from zolace before and never had any issues, this is not the first time I seen false accusation against him. The last user photoshop the message. Let me see if I can find that thread.

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Quote from: timz on September 29, 2014, 06:35:29 AM

Hello, just want to warn others about user zolace
I've been scammed for $250, I didn't receive my money back as he claim here (he closed the topic, so I can't reply and explain). Just don't deal with this person.
SCAMMER!

Please post your Transaction ID's for this trade.

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I've never really trusted zolace as he's all over the place as a user and comes across trollish half of the time, but can you provide all the evidence of the scam and post the proofs you have? At the moment this is just an unbacked accusation.

Can you also explain this feedback you have recieved: Watch out this buyer tries to extort others, seen the proof

timz

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Hello, just want to warn others about user zolace
I've been scammed for $250, I didn't receive my money back as he claim here (he closed the topic, so I can't reply and explain). Just don't deal with this person.
SCAMMER!

Update.
People say I can't open such topics without a proof. Ok, the evidence here:
This is my PMs inbox: http://youtu.be/pwr0uWMpK-k
This is txid I've paid: https://blockchain.info/tx/549183998e8f53afe7e894f1a11c6732e4589798754aba49b9103c6ea598000b

You can see I got bitcoin address at 12:12:31
The transaction was registered in bitcoin network at 12:35:03
At 12:47:11 zolace said it was 'wrong' address.

He doesn't response to my PMs, he closed topic where he offers cards (he posted message that I received back my coins, but erased later).
If this is not enough, I can give access to my PMs to administrator.

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