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Topic: SCAMMER ACCUSATION: Dragoon/Umuri - Not Paying Debt To Me - Threats (Read 3636 times)

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UPDATE: This has still not been paid in full. 1 Bitcoin is still owed to me.

The debt was between myself and dragoonite therefore until I receive payment directly from dragoonite it is not repaid.
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First to clarify, Dragoon and Umuri are not the same person. Dragoon(Dragoonite) is a seperate player on Dragon's Tale despite how the title is worded.

Also, in case anyone is concerned about the low post count of this account, I can confirm that the poster is, in fact, Umuri and that unlike SupaDupa/CrazyRabbi/MrWubbles/whatever, Umuri is scrupulously honest.

Lulz He's not honest at all...

He did everything in his power to attempt to extort 1 BTC from me and never paid back a debt that he bought out off of Dragoon...

Dragoon/Dragoonite , Umuri , CrazyRabbi (Supa) are all different people and no I'm not banned from everywhere possible...

I've coded and corrected code for a very large portion of Dragon's Tale as well as have worked with Di vigorously on hot fixes , bug fixes , fixes in general and broken code...

I have no idea why you are even bringing a thread that is months and months old back to life darkmule... I've already written this off...

I'm not going to get this 1 BTC back and don't really care to bother trying anymore.... I make 1 BTC while I'm on the can....

I apologize if I do better then you without any real effort it must be sad when you are lurking around trying to scrounge some Satoshis to buy your next hit of meth...
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First to clarify, Dragoon and Umuri are not the same person. Dragoon(Dragoonite) is a seperate player on Dragon's Tale despite how the title is worded.

Also, in case anyone is concerned about the low post count of this account, I can confirm that the poster is, in fact, Umuri and that unlike SupaDupa/CrazyRabbi/MrWubbles/whatever, Umuri is scrupulously honest.
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This scamming lunatic is already banned repeatedly here under his SupaDupa nick.  He is also banned on #bitcoin-otc and pretty much any forum capable of banning people.  I have no idea why teppy doesn't ban him from Dragon's Tale, too, because he's a filthy, stinking bum who does nothing but constantly borrow money from people and either never pays it back or pays it back months later, but after showering them with torrents of filthy verbal abuse.

Anyway, reported for ban evasion.
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Didn't log it. Don't need to anyways. It's seperate. One is a debt Dragoon owes me. One is a debt that doesn't exist to Umuri.
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So I somehow talked you into using a bitcoin in my possession as a bank, well after you gifted it to me as a tip for helping someone.
Then I somehow talked you into borrowing it, when you were the one to ask me for the loan.

When literally all the conversation that passed between us between the tip and the loan was:
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08/07/2013 01:04:51  M:SupaDupa : you rock umuri
08/07/2013 01:04:53  M:SupaDupa : in fact
08/07/2013 01:04:57  PM-> M:abbeytim : i'd leave the field as it is and wait some more.
08/07/2013 01:04:57  M:SupaDupa : thanks for helping my friend tim
08/07/2013 01:05:04  M:SupaDupa : here's a tip for you
08/07/2013 01:05:04  Message:  M:SupaDupa  gave you BTC 1!
08/07/2013 01:05:06  M:SupaDupa : Cheesy
08/07/2013 01:05:22  M:abbeytim : ohh ok
08/07/2013 01:05:22  M:SupaDupa : tipped him 1 bitcoin abbey
08/07/2013 01:05:26  M:SupaDupa : Cheesy
08/07/2013 01:05:26  M:Umuri : ty supa
08/07/2013 01:05:33  M:SupaDupa : have fun Cheesy
08/07/2013 01:05:36  M:abbeytim : ok ty supa
08/07/2013 01:05:42  Message: You gave  M:abbeytim  BTC 1.
08/07/2013 01:05:51  M:Umuri : we'll use it to get the last of abbey's bit, since this field isn't the best to pla
08/07/2013 01:05:54  M:Umuri : *y
08/07/2013 01:06:10  M:abbeytim : ok
08/07/2013 01:06:51  M:Umuri : and after i'll set aside most of it into a supa loan fund
08/07/2013 01:06:59  M:SupaDupa : no please don't
08/07/2013 01:07:06  M:SupaDupa : that's for you umuri
08/07/2013 01:07:18  F:lerkun : yeh he doesn't like that umuri
08/07/2013 01:07:18  M:SupaDupa : I'm not gonna play much anymore
08/07/2013 01:07:33  M:Umuri : oh i know, but i meant i'll just earmark it in the investments as available to loan out if ya need it, if ya don't use it it'll sit in the available bank for emergencies
08/07/2013 01:07:33  M:abbeytim : supa did you get your dt??
08/07/2013 01:07:35  M:SupaDupa : at least I'm gonna try not to
08/07/2013 01:07:35  M:Umuri : like other marked stuff
08/07/2013 01:07:42  M:SupaDupa : ok cool
08/07/2013 01:07:44  M:SupaDupa : that works

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08/07/2013 08:29:27  PM<- M:SupaDupa : Could I borrow that 1 bitcoin again please?
The pm you sent me after i had gone to bed.  Notice even you used the word borrow there?


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08/08/2013 14:54:13  PM-> M:SupaDupa : hey, sorry, been major busy. still need that 1 loan?
08/08/2013 14:54:27  PM<- M:SupaDupa : yes please
08/08/2013 14:54:36  PM<- M:SupaDupa : I lost my ass on ricepond task but nearly done
08/08/2013 14:55:02  PM<- M:SupaDupa : I have no idea why it's not Di but I'm %100 sure it came out of my wallet
08/08/2013 14:55:19  PM<- M:SupaDupa : anyway to do a balance check?
08/08/2013 14:55:25  PM<- M:SupaDupa : mt sorry talkin to di
08/08/2013 14:56:07  PM-> M:SupaDupa : k when it gets in here i'll transfer it over.
08/08/2013 14:56:19  PM<- M:SupaDupa : cool thanks very much Cheesy
08/08/2013 14:56:56  Message: You gave  M:SupaDupa  BTC 1.
08/08/2013 14:57:09  PM-> M:SupaDupa : Loan of 1 btc to supa on Aug 8, 2013.

Then that loan is somehow a non-existant debt, despite you both agreeing to the loan, asking for it by saying "borrow", referencing it later, and agreeing to trade 1 btc of dragoons debt to me to clear your own debt of 1 btc.

So show me where in any of those logs I talked you into using that coin, or how it's a gift and not a loan.
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Well for one Umuri refused to state how he talked me into using the 1 bitcoin I gave him as a line of credit with him.

He also may be legally retarded considering the debt that DRAGOON owes me is not the NON EXISTANT debt that Umuri claims I owe him.

There is absolutely no reason I have to repay him anything to get my 1 Bitcoin of Debt repaid from Dragoon.

If the 1 Bitcoin I gave to Umuri was in fact a gift I have already received it back from him. I don't "owe" him it again because it was just that a gift.

Umuri is one of the biggest con artists on Dragon's Tale and hides behind the way he words things to exploit more money out of people.

The debt in question is from Dragoon which Umuri is the escrow for so yes Umuri gibs monies k thx bai ^_^
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First to clarify, Dragoon and Umuri are not the same person. Dragoon(Dragoonite) is a seperate player on Dragon's Tale despite how the title is worded.

I am Umuri, a longtime player of the casino Dragon's Tale.  I've had lots of dealings with SupaDupaJenkins(CrazyRabbi) in the past, as i'm sure most people here have, who is prone outbursts such as this when in a manic phase. Other relevant background is that Supa is notorious for asking for loans from pretty much everyone and selectively removes quotes from context.

The incident in question started on 08/07/2013, when, after helping a lower player with a game, Supa gifted me 1 btc after winning big, which is not uncommon when he's riding a gamblers high.  Logs in question are pasted from Dragon's Tale, with other peoples comments cut out, but I can provide the full logs with irrelevant details if a need is proven.

08/23/2013 03:20:38  M:SupaDupa : Umuri
08/23/2013 03:20:47  M:SupaDupa : Dragoon paid the 165 btm
08/23/2013 03:20:57  M:SupaDupa : so the thread is renamed to RESOLVED and closed


So I hope this establishes what occured, that I was gifted 1 btc, set it aside (against supa's suggestion), loaned it to him later (which he agreed to), then he paid off that loan by transferring 1 btc of dragoonite's debt to me.   Which brings us to yesterday's update, in which I never said whether dragoon has paid me, because quite frankly, I don't share other people's debt info with anyone else. It's a matter of privacy.

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08/28/2013 18:22:33  M:SupaDupa : Umuri
08/28/2013 18:22:47  M:SupaDupa : did you get the money from Dragoon yet?
08/28/2013 18:23:32  M:Umuri : and supa -> irrelevant, not loaning you money right now
08/28/2013 18:23:47  M:SupaDupa : why?
08/28/2013 18:23:58  M:SupaDupa : well fuck you , you owe me 1 bitcoin...
08/28/2013 18:24:09  M:Umuri : Lol. How does that even work.
08/28/2013 18:24:16  M:SupaDupa : the debt was sold to you
08/28/2013 18:24:21  M:SupaDupa : so give me 1 bitcoin
08/28/2013 18:24:21  M:SupaDupa : k thx bai
08/28/2013 18:24:33  M:Umuri : The debt was used to payoff your debt to me, so lol, no.
08/28/2013 18:24:38  M:Umuri : and i have your own statement agreeing to that
08/28/2013 18:24:42  M:SupaDupa : yes
08/28/2013 18:24:42  M:Umuri : k thx bai
08/28/2013 18:24:46  M:SupaDupa : pay off the debt to you
08/28/2013 18:24:46  M:SupaDupa : so gimme 1 bitcoin
08/28/2013 18:24:56  M:SupaDupa : for me
08/28/2013 18:24:56  M:SupaDupa : your debt is a fuckin bank
08/28/2013 18:25:02  M:SupaDupa : so give me the fuckin 1 bitcoin
08/28/2013 18:25:19  M:SupaDupa : I don't owe you anything
08/28/2013 18:25:25  M:SupaDupa : I gave you that 1 bitcoin to be my emergency bank
08/28/2013 18:25:30  M:SupaDupa : and you arn't giving it back to me
08/28/2013 18:25:37  M:SupaDupa : so you are defrauding me of 1 bitcoin again
08/28/2013 18:25:57  M:Umuri : Supa, you gave me that 1 outright. I loaned it back to you, you used dragoons debt to you to payoff that loan, so we are back to even currently
08/28/2013 18:25:57  M:SupaDupa : I didn't owe you shit
08/28/2013 18:26:10  M:SupaDupa : NO I DID NOT!
08/28/2013 18:26:14  M:SupaDupa : I GAVE YOU THAT 1 BITCOIN TO BANK FOR ME!
08/28/2013 18:26:14  M:Umuri : Really? because I have you on statement multiple times
08/28/2013 18:26:18  M:SupaDupa : AND WE AGREED UPON IT!
08/28/2013 18:26:18  M:Umuri : saying it was a gift
08/28/2013 18:26:22  M:Umuri : and that I was "stupid" to loan it out to you
08/28/2013 18:26:22  M:SupaDupa : I'm gonna report you
08/28/2013 18:26:30  M:Umuri : and that you were "never gonna pay it back".
08/28/2013 18:26:48  M:SupaDupa : I'm never gonna pay it back but that doesn't change the fact you owe me 1 bitcoin
08/28/2013 18:27:06  M:Umuri : Go nuts supa, you know I don't coddle or tolerate your shenanigans. Smiley
08/28/2013 18:27:06  M:SupaDupa : cause if I don't get the 1 bitcoin back from Dragoon then I get it back from you
08/28/2013 18:27:12  M:Umuri : in your words, "k thx bai"
08/28/2013 18:27:18  M:SupaDupa : give me 1 bitcoin
08/28/2013 18:27:24  M:Umuri : Nope
08/28/2013 18:27:24  M:SupaDupa : reported
08/28/2013 18:27:27  M:Umuri : Not gonna happen today
08/28/2013 18:27:31  M:SupaDupa : expect a ban

Which leads us to why I was unceremoniously added to this thread and that it was re-opened after being closed.
This is, sadly, normal behavior for SupaDupaJenkins, which is why I document my dealings with him and am flippant in the very last exchange.  I did not include the sections in between when supa loaned the 1 btc from me, and his issue with dragoonite, where he repeatedly claimed the loan didn't exist and he would never repay it, but you can see him admitting it in the conversation above.

Given that this is normal behavior for SupaDupaJenkins, who I believe has been banned here before, would it be possible to have him banned from this subforum, as this isn't the first time i've seen him threaten to report people as scammers when they do not give him money he wants but has no title to, or do it on a timescale different than agreed upon originally. Add to that his own outstanding loan list is quite high, with several debts being "written off" and ignored, such as one of his to one of my students in-game, Timmah which I believe was still in excess of 30 btc.
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Hi all,

I would like to report Dragoon and Umuri (see update) for scamming (Umuri/Dragoon) and threats (Dragoon). I have asked him nicely if I could be repaid the debt in payments for the sale of my Dragon's Tale account (currently dragoonite now). When I asked today if I could please have a payment I was told I "ask too much" and "am acting like a cunt". I told him that I would be reporting him on Bitcoin Talk but was greeted with this message threatening me if I was to report him.

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dragoonite: im gonna warn you once. i havent scammed you i have no broken our deal and if you do that on bitcoin talk or any other website and I find out about it. then there will be an issue and you wont like the consequences

Immediately after this message I was put on ignore...

Upon posting this thread I was greeted with these lovely messages...

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dragoonite: well played sir that basically makes us even then...

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dragoonite: my reputation is actually worth alot more then 1.165 bitcoins...

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dragoonite: ive given you money everyday by choice and time is not up yet you post that. Great job i hope you are proud you lying fuck gl in life cause I know if we ever met irl you wouldn't be happy at all...

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dragoonite: no I was always paying until you posted that i am scamming you and ruined my reputation like that...

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dragoonite: you were gettin paid until the post went up...

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dragoonite: u think you can ruin someone's reputation and it costs nothing... think again dumbass...

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dragoonite: im done with you forever congrats on your ignore and failure...

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dragoonite: ive ignored supa now there wont be anymore bullshit today...

*UPDATE: 0.165 Bitcoin was repaid and the debt was sold to Umuri. The 1 bitcoin of remaining debt was never repaid and now Umuri refuses to pay it back stating "Umuri: The 1 Bitcoin was a gift and did not need to be repaid." I was under the impression the 1 bitcoin I gave to him was an emergency bank for me in case I needed it. This was agreed upon but the 1 bitcoin is being refused repayment. Besides it's Dragoon's debt that was sold to Umuri not my non existant debt to Umuri...

*UPDATE: I was told I would be receiving 165 BTM within the week and still have not received anything. I have offered to have him send 1 Bitcoin of the debt to Umuri if he is not comfortable sending to myself as Umuri is a friend who helps me bank 1 bitcoin for emergencies. Neither of us has received anything and Dragoon continues to spend fractions of bitcoins on herb licenses and other non essential things. He has bitcoins and can repay but chooses not to.

I'm not all to worried about getting the 1.165 bitcoin that I'm owed but would just like to give fair warning to anyone on Dragon's Tale that was considering selling their Dragon's Tale account to Dragoon that he is highly untrustworthy and even if he pays you back it takes him far too long and you are not paid up front.

My full list of Dragon's Tale account sales including the prices paid (in full and partial) is available @ https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aho8xNxIMyCXdDZwck1GS2xpOEl5YjRWQUZGa21yd2c&output=html

Stay Mining my Friends,

CrazyRabbi (SupaDupa/MrWubbles/TrickyStylez)
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