Topic: Scammer - sublime5447 and Bitcoin Friends Facebook group (Read 5586 times)

So out of the blue I get a PM from Sublime today...


To which I replied:


His response, as elegant as ever...


Sublime, to you I say this:

Everything I stated was factual. You were banned from #bitcoin-otc, the logs prove this (Hint: This is a link. Click it!).
You ban is set to forever, something which is rarely done in OTC.

When you grow up and apologise, I'll delete the feedback. Until that point, it stays as evidence.

Still waiting for the wrath of kelticfox to rain down on me.

Ready to admit I am no scammer?

Now threatening me get a life. Just thought you might want the neg rating gone.

You got a weird definition of facts cock sucker...

prove I have scammed someone ever!

Thanks i am not all bad. 

I can honestly respect that.

Just trying to do what I think is right. I didnt get into bitcoin because I am a tech nerd or an drug user i got into because I hate the world that central banking has built. It is not not a coincidence that the century of complete central banking coincided with a century of complete warfare.

just doing my part.  

Accusing sublime as scammer, because of different ideology and personal hatred is really stupid. As far I can see sublime helps a lot members and spreading the word about bitcoin.

Now you're a martyr?

I might be a dick, you might not like my personality... but what no one can say is that I dont have integrity.  

I take a lot of risk selling for paypal. People dont understand my motivations and cant understand why or how anyone would sell for reversible methods.

THE REASON THAT I SELL FOR PAYPAL IS TO BUILD A TRUST NETWORK AND TO BUILD BRIDGES BETWEEN THE TRADITIONAL BANKING SYSTEM AND BITCOIN. EVERYONE KNOWS IT IS A BITCH TO GET BITCOIN I AM TRYING TO CHANGE THAT AND SHOW THAT MY BUSINESS MODEL WILL WORK AND IS PROFITABLE.

The problem with bitcoin as I see it is this.   People have become so dependent on institutions they dont know how to trust individuals, but I have spent most of my life trading with individuals for unsecure methods... I know how to build a trusted network. I have dont it many times.

For btc to work it has to be p2p not p 2 institution 2 p. Everyone in this community wants to build new institutions that is what bitcoin was designed to eliminate.

They all fail.  The institutions always bring regulations, fees, and when the centralized system fails theft  

 

I'm not taking sides here, but if you look at the people that flagged Sublime with negative rep, they're all relatively new accounts and quite a few of them seem to have dropped off the forum after leaving feedback for him.

See no default trust


theymos
EPiSKiNG
monstrs
John (John K.)
Tomatocage
juggalodarkclow
BCB
J.Socal
DannyHamilton
papaminer
MoneypakTrader.com
applejack7
shibaji
xetsr
Agricola
BitcoinCharlie
CryptoBullion

Am I a scammer? Who have I stole from?


"We noticed Sublime was a scammer a long time back in the OTC Channel."

Is this statement fact? No it is not. When you state something as fact and it is not it means you are a fucking lair!

You trolls over at otc havent changed one bit either still a bunch of little dick liars. I am happy to have you ignore me.

go fuck yourself.

"I've never left you feedback."

Your above statement is feedback

No comment from the peanut gallery?

1 Yes from admins who thought they knew something time and my actions have proven they dont know shit (not based on trades or facts at all)

2 Yes from trolls like yourself... go ask them ask rbecker if I scammed ask BCB

3 No Paul E is accusing JP howllet a seller on my facebook page of scamming. I have never traded with paul.  i guess yes on sidelsky I think he just made a mistake.. I linked to the paypal payment I sent him in my feedback.

You didnt say that I was accused of being a scammer you said I was a scammer  

"We noticed Sublime was a scammer a long time back in the OTC Channel."

" You have multiple people already claiming on your trust here that you've charged back paypal on them. What's up with that?"

Dumb ass here for sure. i have one neg for scamming from a scammer. You said there were ratings saying that I charged back where the fuck is that ?

Sublime:  you'd probably be best off responding to KelticFox's 3 questions... This way you're moving forward rather than avoiding.

::end

-EP

Here, let me take a page out of your book.

Listen up fucko. You have multiple neg marks for scamming in your RECEIVED feedback, you dumb, illiterate dunce. Learn to fucking read before wasting any of our time with your useless drivel, you fucking waste of organic space.

Hopefully, now that i've dumbed it down, it will be an easier concept for you to grasp.

Another dumb ass opens his mouth with out knowing what he is talking about. You are looking at sent feedback you retard. That is people who have charged back on me..

Playing devil's advocate here, but....

In OTC you frequently argued about pp and how it couldnt be charged back, you even called me a 'fucking idiot liar' when i told you ive personally seen chargebacks happen 9 months from date of purchase. Now while that's all in the past, and you have been 'punished' for your actions, there is still an area of concern here.

1. Forum trust, is in no way, shape, or form even close to OTC rep. It's not in the same ballpark, hell it's not even the same sport. There are thousands of accounts here that are sold and traded and leveraged to make scammers look legit.
2. You have multiple people already claiming on your trust here that you've charged back paypal on them. What's up with that?
3. You act very immature, calling people retards, names in OTC, insults on their feedback,etc.

Now, hopefully you can see why some people might not trust you, sublime, and perhaps you can see the err in your ways and fix it up before it gets too bad.

Why would I apologize? Who have I scammed from? douche.

name one fucking person I have scammed?

you cant because it isn't true.. It is true that you are a liar and a troll.

  

I dont have default trust.. I was pissed when I learned about default trust

Like I said you dont understand how the trust system here works retard

Well, it depends on who you trust. So it kinda makes sense.

Your trust actually shows up a 0: -0 / +0 for me which is likely related to how I don't trust the default trust list because I don't trust theymos and instead picked people one can trust their trust ratings to be trustworthy.

Kelticfox is a lying troll, who doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground

I bought some btc from him, and he sent it fast

User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-09-04   1.00000000      paypal for btc fast trade like always
red123 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-09-02   1.50000000      Great seller fast, prompt, and polite! Trusted member.
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-09-01   1.00000000      Another fast trade, thanks again
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-08-30   1.00000000      btc / paypal trade, fast transaction
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-08-10   1.00000000      great trade like always - paypal / btc
applejack7 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-30   20.25000000      I have made several transactions with this user. He is legit.
juggalodarkclow 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-22   20.00000000      Sublime5447 is a legit dude, he has bought 20+ btc from me using PayPal and never once has there been a problem. A+
BitcoinCharlie 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-19   4.00000000      I have bought numerous times from Sublime5447. Great service and communication, quick confirmations! Highly recommend.
xetsr 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-07-19   5.00000000      Several deals done with sublime. Recent one was me selling 5 BTC, sent first and was confirmed payment was made.
J.Socal 1: -0 / +7(7)   2013-07-18   5.00000000      traded for paypal.All good @ this time.
BitcoinCharlie 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-18   4.00000000      I have bought numerous times from Sublime5447. Great service and communication, quick confirmations! Highly recommend.
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-07-18   1.40000000      good trade, got paypal usd for my btc, good price fast trading
yoshiyoshi 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-11   0.00000000      Trade Paypal For BTC. Would trade again!
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-07-03   2.00000000      Have bought another 2 BTC using paypal, no issues.
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-06-27   1.84000000   Reference   Another succesfull deal buying coins with paypal.
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-06-25   1.00000000   Reference   Risked 110$ sending to him, everything was fast, recieved 1BTC
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-06-24   0.40000000   Reference   Great deal, fast payment, have bought BTC worth 43$, will cooperate again.
Agricola 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-06-24   3.00000000      Good trader. Always gives me great rates and delivers quick!
xetsr 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-06-19   0.44600000   Reference   Another transaction without any problems. Quick and easy.
MoneypakTrader.com 9: -1 / +17(17)   2013-06-15   3.00000000      Several successful trades
xetsr 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-05-26   2.95000000      Quick and easy.
shibaji 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-05-25   10.00000000   Reference   I have done many many transaction with Sublime. Very trustworthy.
Untrusted feedback

These ratings are from people who are not in your trust network. They may be totally inaccurate.


User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
Kelticfox -5: -1 / +0(0)   2013-09-13   0.00000000   Reference   Tried to coerce feedback removal by leaving negative feedback on my profile. Abuse of the rating system to appear to more trustworthy then actually is.
trichome 0: -0 / +1(0)   2013-09-13   0.50000000      Fast transaction, Very Professional, looking forward to next one!
dcquin31 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-09-12   0.50000000      Just did my first transaction with him... smooth and easy.
Xtremist 0: -0 / +2(1)   2013-09-12   0.90700000      Awesome person to deal with, trust them greatly
destruct 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      Bought 20LTC from him with PP and got it within 1 minute after full verification. Thanks!
microndeath 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      Sent BTC-E code, got Paypal in return. Super fast, very friendly, would definitely deal with again. Thanks!
terra77 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      fast and easy trade. Thanks
goose20 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-09-07   1.05000000      Another quick and easy for 1+ btc done. Thanks.
metal_jacke1 0: -0 / +3(2)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      Successful transaction!
ctlaltdefeat 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      Once again, my PP (100usd) for his BTC. Thanks
ctlaltdefeat 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-04   0.00000000      All went smoothly, my PP for his BTC.
cippyboy 0: -0 / +0(0)   2013-09-03   0.18000000      My PayPal USD to BTC. Fast and snappy.
chriswen 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-03   1.00000000   Reference   I sent him PP usd. He sent me 1 BTC after. This is my second trade with him.

He has the fb page "Bitcoin Friends".
metal_jacke1 0: -0 / +3(2)   2013-09-02   0.33000000      Successful exchange! +1
Dum3 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-02   1.20000000      trusted trade,all went smooth
marcovaldo 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-02   0.07400000   Reference   Bought btc from him by Paypal, quick answers and deal.
momagic 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-31   0.50000000      Sold 0.5 BTC via Paypal and it went smooth.

https://blockchain.info/tx/348a5966d70e68341cddddd49fdbb8e93a7c3f3c2e1c1796963bcd10f37f6f30
momagic 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-31   0.50000000      Sold 0.5 BTC via Paypal and it went smooth.

https://blockchain.info/tx/348a5966d70e68341cddddd49fdbb8e93a7c3f3c2e1c1796963bcd10f37f6f30
goose20 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-30   1.60000000      I sent my us$200 ppal. Then he sent the 1.54 btc.
Quick and easy deal.
Thx
Armsman 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-29   0.20000000      Legit Seller, will be back soon.
lexcat 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-29   0.00000000      my ppusd for his btc. thanks!
Unacceptable 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-29   3.80000000      Great communication & transaction
Thanks again !!!
zxcvbs 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-22   2.01000000   Reference   Great user, ppusd > btc, exchanged.
Maidak 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-22   0.00000000      Bought some btc off him for paypal USD
asilentninja 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-17   0.00000000   Reference   Sold my $300 MP for 2.702 BTC. I sent first he delivered.
vm1990 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-17   0.20000000      there PP for my BTC all went nice and smooth, thank you
goose20 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-17   1.00000000      Bought 1 btc through paypal. I sent first and he sent coins within 2 minutes. Great
joshv06 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-17   1.20000000   Reference   Smooth transaction, turned ~$130 to 1.2BTC. Thanks!
gadman2 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-17   1.00000000   Reference   He sold me 1btc for 108.5$ paypal, used juggalodarkclow as escrow, thanks!
jameslasvegas 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-10   0.23300000      Followed rules to trade to receive BTC. Quick, fast and easy. Will be doing business again. Thanks.
LouReed 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-31   0.00000000      Exchanged my BTC's for his PPUSD several times. Always on point! Would definitely trade again!
gary492 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-30   0.90000000      I gave him PP and he gave me BTC very fast thanxs
mytey 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-28   0.24520000   Reference   1st trade, great communication.
zamazama 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-28   0.50000000   Reference   another smooth deal
PaulE -4: -1 / +0(0)   2013-07-28   6.00000000   Reference   Bought btc from one of the Bitcoin Friends using Moneypak. One week after the trade they claim there was a problem with one of the MoneyPaks that was provided. When asked for proof of the problem they refused and threatened to ban me from their Bitcoin Friends Facebook page while at the same time posting that I was a "Possible Scammer".

Read reference thread for more info.
cyberglitch 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-23   2.00000000      Have done many transactions over paypal with this user and always gone smoothly.
Nolo 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-13   2.00000000      Good trade. I sold him a couple of BTC for paypal. Smooth transaction.
favdesu 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-06-23   0.89300000   Reference   Paid via PayPal, received BTC shortly after. great service!
favdesu 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-06-22   0.42000000   Reference   Paid via PayPal, received btc shortly after. I great communication and service!
favdesu 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-06-21   0.21000000   Reference   Thanks, very quick and professional!
legendster -1: -1 / +1(1)   2013-06-14   1.23000000      Sent him payment first. Agreed it was a little rocky. +1
E.Sam 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-06-12   0.20250000      Sent PP for LTC - risk on my end. Smooth transaction, trustworthy.
sidelsky18 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2013-06-09   14.00000000      scammer, pm logs
threatgreater 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-06-03   0.20000000      Sent PP for BTC. Sent first and got a quick response!
DM90 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-05-29   9.00000000      Send him PP USD and Moneypak for BTC. I always sent first and always received the BTC, BTC-E code, etc. Honest trader.
polymorphous 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-05-26   0.10000000   Reference   Quick, easy trade
ironcross360 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-05-21   0.50000000      Very Good
Sent feedback

User   Date   Risked BTC amount   Reference   Comments
DM90 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-05-30   1.00000000      I have accepted multiple paypal payments from dm90 never a problem
Dum3 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-02   0.00000000      His btc-e code for my PP usd. THanks!
juggalodarkclow 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-06-08   0.00000000      guy sent 3.2 btc first and didnt bullshit about it. Thanks. looking forward to trading again the future
MoneypakTrader.com 9: -1 / +17(17)   2013-06-11   3.00000000      I have sent first for moneypaktrader on several occasions he is trusted by me.
sidelsky18 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2013-06-11   0.00000000      bought a btc code form you and paid then you left negative feedback. Sent to:   
Daniel Sidelsky (The recipient of this payment is Verified)
Email:   
[email protected]
Amount sent:   
-$185.00 USD
Fee amount:   
$0.00 USD
Net amount:   
-$185.00 USD
legendster -1: -1 / +1(1)   2013-06-12   1.10000000      My btc for his PP usd. A little rocky but we got it straight. Thanks
takagari 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-06-13   33.00000000      His PP usd for my Ltc. A+ nice and easy transaction thanks
Bitcoiner333 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2013-06-19   0.00000000   Reference   Selling accounts is scammy. Dont trust this guy you will regret it.
favdesu 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-06-22   0.00000000      Traded my btc for his pp usd so far so good.
cyberglitch 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-23   0.00000000      I have had several transaction with this user. His PP usd for my Btc. Thanks
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-06-24   0.00000000      My btc for his PPusd so far so good thanks
ScaryHash 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-06-24   0.00000000      My btc for his ppusd so far so good. Thanks
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-07-05   3.00000000      Great customer, easy to work with. Thanks again monstrs
jameslasvegas 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-11   0.00000000      His pp usd for my BTC.
Thanks
MsBitcoin 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-11   0.00000000      Made good on her bad money paks that goes a long way
yoshiyoshi 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-11   0.00000000      My pp usd for his btc-e code. Thanks great trader.
Nolo 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-11   0.00000000      My paypal usd for his btc smooth transaction thanks
jbreen1 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-07-15   0.00000000      Sold him 1 btc for his money pak code everything went smooth.
lightlord 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-14   0.00000000      Be very careful dealing with this member his account has been compromised in the past.
Maui 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-16   0.00000000      My btc for his pp usd. smooth trade. Thanks
dannyjr89 -4: -1 / +0(0)   2013-07-17   0.00000000   Reference   This user sells fake accounts super dick move, very scammy
soniq 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-17   0.00000000      My btc for his paypal usd smooth trade thanks
E.Sam 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      My ltc for his paypal usd good trader thanks
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-07-18   0.00000000      My ppusd for his BTC he sent first, smooth transaction
2dogs 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-18   0.00000000      My btc for their paypal usd. smooth trade thanks
BitcoinCharlie 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-18   0.00000000      I have traded with user many times over a long period of time. He is trusted by me.
J.Socal 1: -0 / +7(7)   2013-07-18   0.00000000      My ppusd for his btc smooth transaction.. I sent first which I never do.
Agricola 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      I have traded many times with Agricola he responds very fast and always send MP first. Thanks!
BCB 19: -1 / +23(23)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      Several trades with BCB my pp usd for his bitcoin. Very professional trader.
ironcross360 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      1 small trade with this user. My xrp for his btc. went smooth
shibaji 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      Many trades with shibaji his pp usd for my btc. Very trust worthy
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      Several trades with monstrs his paypal usd for my btc Thanks
polymorphous 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      I had a couple of trades with user a while back their pp usd for my btc everything went fine
xetsr 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      Several trades with xetsr his pp usd for my btc everything went smooth. Thanks
threatgreater 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-19   0.00000000      his pp usd for my btc everything went great.
velacreations 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-20   0.00000000      Several trades with velacreations his pp usd for my btc
Fear -4: -1 / +0(0)   2013-07-21   0.00000000      looks to be a scammer dont trade with this guy
bapakece -11: -3 / +0(0)   2013-07-21   0.00000000      Buying feedback is scammy.
bruiselee 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-23   0.00000000      My pp usd for his btc-e code. Thanks smooth transaction
PaulE -4: -1 / +0(0)   2013-07-26   0.00000000      fucking troll scammer
casascius 2: -0 / +8(   2013-07-26   0.00000000      very help full when I was a newbie thanks.
LouReed 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-31   0.00000000      great trade his btc for my pp usd. I dont remember the amount it was before the trust system was in place.
Delicieuxz 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-26   0.00000000      Several trades with Delicieuxz.. Very smooth. Great trader.
Thanks
planman 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-26   0.00000000      Man you really helped me out with mining. Thanks a million.
chriswen 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-26   0.00000000      several transactions his pp usd to my btc. Thanks
zamazama 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-28   0.00000000      2 trades so far his pp usd for my btc. Thanks
mytey 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-28   0.00000000      My btc for his pp usd good trade thanks
applejack7 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-30   0.00000000      Several trades with applejack. My btc for his paypal usd.
gary492 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-07-30   0.00000000      My btc for his pp usd. So far so good. Thanks
jhook 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-07-31   0.00000000      my btc for his paypal usd. So far so good. Thanks
ThatFatGuy 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-01   0.00000000      Several smooth transactions. My BTC for his PP usd. Thanks
Axion_Zen 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-01   0.00000000      Several small transactions. My btc for his paypal usd. So far so good.
arhjay 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-02   0.00000000      Several transactions with this user. He has Id verified. His PP usd for my BTC so far so good. Thanks
John (John K.) 56: -0 / +119(119)   2013-08-10   0.00000000      Traded my PP usd for his BTC great trade. Thanks
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-08-10   0.00000000      My pp usd for his BTC. Great trader super communication and even gave me a tip. Thank you Sir.
monstrs 0: -0 / +4(4)   2013-08-13   6.00000000      This guy has been great nice easy trades. He sent me 6 coin first for my PP usd. Thanks!
stemulis -7: -2 / +0(0)   2013-08-17   0.00000000      Scammer
tiptopgemdotcom 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-15   0.00000000      My PP usd for his BTC 1.7 coin risked he sent first...Super smooth trader.
gadman2 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-17   0.00000000      His pp usd for my BTC. Thanks
joshv06 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-17   0.00000000      His pp usd for my BTC.
goose20 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-17   0.00000000      His PP usd for My BTC. Thanks
SistaFista 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-17   0.00000000      MY PP usd for his BTC he sent first. Thanks
vm1990 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-17   0.00000000      My pp usd for his BTC he sent first. Thanks
asilentninja 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-17   0.00000000      His money Pak for my BTC. Thanks
mytey 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-18   0.00000000      Several trades his PP USD for my BTC. Thanks
jbreen1 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-20   0.00000000      Third time i have traded with jbreen1. His PP usd for my BTC so far so good.
Maidak 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-22   0.00000000      His PP usd for My BTC. Thanks
cassieheart 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-21   0.00000000      Her MP for My BTC.
Thanks
Bulpower -9: -2 / +0(0)   2013-09-12   0.00000000      looks to be a scammer
xetsr 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-08-22   0.00000000      My 4 btc for his PP usd. Thanks
zxcvbs 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-22   0.00000000      Several trades with this user his PP usd for my BTC. Thanks
cyberglitch 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-25   0.00000000      Many many transactions his PP usd for my BTC
littlemisszigzag114 -7: -2 / +0(0)   2013-08-27   0.00000000      obvious scam shit is stupid.
Unacceptable 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-29   0.00000000      My PP usd for his BTC he was kind enough to send first. Thanks
dbasql 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-29   0.00000000      His btc for my pp usd, Thanks
metal_jacke1 0: -0 / +3(2)   2013-09-03   0.00000000      His pp usd for my btc.
lexcat 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-29   0.00000000      His pp usd for my btc. Thank you.
Armsman 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-30   0.00000000      His PP usd for My BTC. Thanks
dbasql 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-30   0.00000000      His BTC for my PP usd. Smooth trade
ThatFatGuy 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-30   0.00000000      Another great trade! His PP usd for my BTC
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-08-30   0.00000000      Another fast trade. my pp usd for his btc.
momagic 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-08-31   0.00000000      His BTC for my PP usd. Fast ans easy trade. Thanks!
dougmanct 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-31   0.00000000      His BTC for my PP usd. Thanks
lexcat 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-08-31   0.00000000      My BTC for his PP usd.
Rayman65 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-01   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC. Thanks
collegenitro -7: -2 / +0(0)   2013-09-04   0.00000000      Scammer!
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-09-01   0.00000000      Several traded he always sends first. Decided I trust him.
fleedi -11: -3 / +0(0)   2013-09-01   0.00000000      Looks like a scammer to me
chriswen 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-01   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC thanks
Tomatocage 10: -2 / +17(17)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      God you have been busy. I thought I tagged a lot of scammers. Great work.
marcovaldo 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-02   0.00000000      1 small trade (10 bucks) his pp usd for my btc. *
red123 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-09-02   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC. Thanks !
metal_jacke1 0: -0 / +3(2)   2013-09-02   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC. Thanks!
papaminer 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-09-03   20.00000000      His BTC for my PP usd. Several trades. Thanks
ctlaltdefeat 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-04   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC. Thanks
CryptoBullion 0: -0 / +5(5)   2013-09-04   0.00000000      His btc for my pp usd. Thanks
WoolyMammoth -9: -2 / +1(1)   2013-09-04   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC so far so good.
Xtremist 0: -0 / +2(1)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      Several trades with this user. Their PP usd for my BTC. Thanks
ctlaltdefeat 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      Quick easy transaction. Thanks
metal_jacke1 0: -0 / +3(2)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      Another easy trade. Thanks
Bitcoin Scammer 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      Cool site check here first.
Agricola 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-05   0.00000000      Tons of trades both MP and PP usd. Thanks
amer 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-06   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC
papaminer 0: -0 / +3(3)   2013-09-06   2.00000000      His BTC for my PP usd. I sent first which I never do. Papaminer is legit.
sacskate 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-06   0.00000000      His PP usd for My btc. Thanks
WoolyMammoth -9: -2 / +1(1)   2013-09-07   0.00000000      https://www.facebook.com/gustavo.peguero?fref=ts
WoolyMammoth -9: -2 / +1(1)   2013-09-07   2.00000000      Fucking scamming charged back paypal.
JonathanMyers -5: -1 / +0(0)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      Bum, begger, druggie not trust worthy
Biglab -5: -1 / +0(0)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      Wont ID. beware
microndeath 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      His btc-e for my PP usd. Thanks!
terra77 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      His PP usd for my BTC. Thanks
destruct 0: -0 / +1(1)   2013-09-09   0.00000000      My ltc for his PP usd. Thanks
aboron2 -9: -2 / +0(0)   2013-09-10   0.00000000      spamming a trading bot.. i
dougmanct 0: -0 / +2(2)   2013-09-11   0.00000000      Second transaction everything went great. Thanks!
Xtremist 0: -0 / +2(1)   2013-09-12   0.00000000      several transactions with this user. Thanks
shiunsai 0: -0 / +1(0)   2013-09-12   0.00000000      His ppusd for my BTC. Thanks
trichome 0: -0 / +1(0)   2013-09-13   0.00000000      His pp usd for my btc. Thanks
Kelticfox -5: -1 / +0(0)   2013-09-13   0.00000000      leaves false feedback.. hasnt stolen, just a liar

MY   Trust: 19: -0 / +23(23)  

Your Trust: -5: -1 / +0(0)


hey troll you might have some say so in otc scammer channel, but you aint got shit here! Your are a fucking liar!

Ya I dont like the only other bitcoin market place is full of tech nerds who dont trade coins and give new people a hard time. I also do like that you have to know code to operate the fing channel and that the site is so shitty. 

But my biggest complaint is that there is no review process for rogue mods who think they know something 

LOL after he was banned he cries about Bitcoin-OTC!

I only have one child.

This is one of the many reasons I dont scam.

This.

I've never had a problem with Bitcoin Friends.

I've bought well over 15 BTC with them, and only one time there was a slight snag, but it was cleared up within the hour.

The snag was exactly what you experienced, a money pak that did not work.

It turned out that one of their reloadable cards ran into its limit, so the moneypak would not load. It was then loaded onto another card and everything was fine. Got my BTC minutes after that.

If you have a receipt, you can get your money back from moneypak. Might take a bit of time, but it is an entirely solvable problem.

If you got the moneypak number from somebody else, you are completely out of luck.

May want to update your trust rating with a link to this topic.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=79546

So how much were you scammed for?

Seems to me to be a rather dumb idea to try and scam people when you've got two little kids and a street adress out in the open. Just saying.

This was what happened and my response to sublime5447 (aka Chris and Amber North) on the Bitcoins Friends page:

I sold one of the "Bitcoin Friends" two MoneyPaks back on July 13th. One of these MoneyPaks was loaded onto the buyers Paypal account and there was no problem. The other was loaded onto a third-party "friends" Greendot card and a week later the card was locked.

On July 20th at 1:23am I was contacted by the buyer Jack Straw (https://www.facebook.com/jack.straw.568847?fref=ts) who stated that there had been a problem with one of the MoneyPaks he purchased from me on July 13th and he asked "did you dispute or overturn a MoneyPak transaction for one of the cards you gave me on 7/13?"

To which I replied an hour later, "No I didn't reverse charges or claim ownership or anything else with the MoneyPak card I gave you. I have never heard of that being done or even that it was possible. Not sure what we can do to make the situation right?" It was 2:22am so after replying to his message I went to bed.

When I woke up I had multiple messages from Jack Straw asking various questions but also stating, "I'll be honest that I can't entirely rule out some scheme by "my friend" (we're using the term loosely)." Bitcoin Friends (https://www.facebook.com/bitcoinfriends) had also posted that I was a "Suspected Scammer" on their Facebook page. In response I told the Bitcoin Friends that their post was premature and that Jack Straw and I had not been able to identify who was at fault as of yet. Their response was that I needed to send Jack Straw $300 in Bitcoins and they would remove the post. I told them wouldn't be bullied and I refused to move forward in finding a resolution under the circumstances.

Then another member of the Bitcoin Friends group, JP Howlett (https://www.facebook.com/jp.howlett?fref=ts) made the following post on the Bitcoin Friends page:

" I'm not entirely sure who all of those remarks are directed at, but let me
try to clear things up.

I don't feel that I accused you - I stated the facts and asked for
your input - obviously there's sort of an accusation behind that or between
the lines, but I outright told you that I would give you the benefit of the doubt. You expressed a willingness to work things out or at least discuss,
but then didn't answer my questions.

In parallel, I reported the matter to Chris and Amber, advising them that
you seemed stand up and expressed desire for amiciable solution. When hours
had gone by without an answer, I first messaged you, Paul, and then after
some more time asked Amber and Chris if they could help me get some answers.

I have since verified that it was an issue with a reload pack that you gave
me. However, I still don't n ecessarily think you are a scammer - you might simply be an intermediate victim so to speak. The fact that you gave me 2 paks that day and only one had issues suggests that. My guess is that you
got the paks from someone else, but id like to hear what you have to say to
my questions."

So it seems that JP Howlett and Jack Straw are the same person. Even though JP states that I gave him 2 paks, when in fact I sold to Jack Straw via a phone conversation, he is still trying to claim that he and Jack are different people and that "I am getting out of the bitcoin trade and Jack is taking my book."

Morale of the story stay away from the Bitcoin Friends (https://www.facebook.com/bitcoinfriends), sublime5447 https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sublime5447-79546 (aka Chris and Amber North https://www.facebook.com/AmberNicoleNorth), JP Howlett/Jack Straw https://www.facebook.com/jp.howlett?fref=ts and https://www.facebook.com/jack.straw.568847?fref=ts).

Their and my responses to my statement (trying to keep them in order):

Bitcoin Friends - Me and all my sellers work together to keep coins and funds flowing. We can all see each others orders. It does get confusing and is hard to remember who filled what orders. I know JP and Jack and yes jack is not a real account but is a real person. I load money pak to friends accounts all the time. I have asked several members to take codes from me. We each have limits to the amount we can take. It is not a problem unless someone provides a bad code.

Paul - That would make sense except I was on the phone with Jack/JP when I sold the MoneyPaks to him so the person I sold to was Jack but now it is obvious that is also JP.

There was nothing bad about the code you bought from me. in fact it was checked and loaded by your seller prior to me being paid. If you are trading codes and using third-party cards of "my friend (and we are using that term loosely)" then that is a risk on your end.

You have yet to provide proof as to any of your claims.

Bitcoin Friends - I am not making the claim one of my trusted seller is. I know and trust him. I dont know or turst you

Paul - Your trusted Seller has been caught using two names within your group, JP Howlett and Jack Straw. They have also admitted to using a third-parties Greendot Card to load MoneyPaks onto who they describe as ""my friend" (we're using the term loosely)." In addition they have provided no proof of their claims. You made posts regarding this without stating any of the facts regarding the situation nor did you check the facts yourself, which is very irresponsible on your part.

Bitcoin Friends - I don't want to argue with you.

Paul - Provide proof of your sellers claims.

Bitcoin Friends - Look, you got your coins, you said your side, I took the post down. What more do you want? I'm tired of going back and fourth with you. At this point your just harassing me and I'm going to ban you from the page if you don't stop.

So in the end I asked for proof to be provided and they threatened that if I didn't stop "harassing" them they would ban me from their Facebook page.  They then go on to make accusations here that I am a possible scammer.  Make your own judgement on who was scamming who.