Scottish Independence Referendum: YES and NO votes are neck and neck as the poll

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Quote from: tacoman71 on April 26, 2014, 10:48:29 AM

As an American I may not know what I'm saying but IMHO if Scotland were to become a sovereign nation, it would benefit the UK more while putting Scotland in a bad place financially.

It will be the other way around. If Scotland becomes independent, then the North Sea petroleum and gas deposits will fall within the Scottish Maritime border. It will ruin (what is left of the) UK financially.

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As an American I may not know what I'm saying but IMHO if Scotland were to become a sovereign nation, it would benefit the UK more while putting Scotland in a bad place financially.

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Quote from: hello_good_sir on April 25, 2014, 11:17:33 PM

I'm not fully informed on this, but it seems like it would be better for both countries if they split. England might be able to finally shed the Labour party and Scotland might stop rallying around it.

I don't understand this. The Labour party is on a constant decline in Scotland. And SNP got around 45% of the votes during the last elections.

Quote from: hello_good_sir on April 25, 2014, 11:17:33 PM

Smaller, more homogeneous countries are better able to resist corruption of all sorts.

On average, smaller countries are more efficient while dealing with economy, although we have exceptions.

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I'm not fully informed on this, but it seems like it would be better for both countries if they split. England might be able to finally shed the Labour party and Scotland might stop rallying around it. The only downside that I see would be Scotland succumbing to the Euro. Smaller, more homogeneous countries are better able to resist corruption of all sorts.

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Quote from: murraypaul on April 25, 2014, 01:11:53 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 25, 2014, 12:29:12 PM

They may be left wing. Bit the last time I checked, 98% of the Scottish population was European, and only 79% of England's population was so.

Wrong, whether you define nationality by of birth or passport held.

Anyway... White British came down from 87.0% in 2001 to 79.8% in 2011.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 25, 2014, 12:29:12 PM

They may be left wing. Bit the last time I checked, 98% of the Scottish population was European, and only 79% of England's population was so.

Wrong, whether you define nationality by of birth or passport held.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/key-statistics-for-local-authorities-in-england-and-wales/rpt-international-migrants.html

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In 2011 13 per cent (7.5 million) of usual residents of England and Wales were born outside the UK; in 2001 this was 9 per cent (4.6 million).

There were 4.8 million non-UK passports held by usual residents of England and Wales in 2011, accounting for 9 per cent of the resident population. Of these, 2.3 million were EU (non-UK) passports.

Even accepting your code of 'European' == 'White', you would be wrong:

E92000001 ENGLAND 53,012,456 79.8 1.0 0.1 4.6

79.8+1.0+0.1+4.6 = 85.5

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This is bollocks. If anything the Scots are more accepting of immigration than the English, and the nationalist party pushing for independence (SNP) is proudly left-wing.

They may be left wing. Bit the last time I checked, 98% of the Scottish population was European, and only 79% of England's population was so. Also, I have chatted with a few Scots on a political forum. Those who were opposed to immigration were voting YES, while the others were voting NO.

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Also, 75% sounds pretty dominant to me. And what the fuck does it matter what colour people are?

Maybe he is one of the ignorant people who think (having presumably read no history) that there is some sort of 'pure' British strain, untained by those nasty foreigners.
(Plus, it isn't 75%, it is just over 80%, for England and Wales)

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 03:20:51 AM

Don't understand any of this. Since when did South Asians rounded up Muslims to transport them to Majdanek? Anyway... I had enough. I am ignoring you. Be happy and cheerful. Grin

By people like you, I am referring to enthusiastic supporters of Nazism.

And by "people like me"...well, my name is Avram - so draw your own conclusions.

Sorry, 75 years ago people "like you" would have been very safe, thank to someone like Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini
https://i.imgur.com/7z3DjG5.jpg

It is always an advancement to mankind to NOT follow the foolish steps of our past magical representatives and by NOT ignoring History.
I do not want to derail this thread any further so I'm out

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 03:20:51 AM

Don't understand any of this. Since when did South Asians rounded up Muslims to transport them to Majdanek? Anyway... I had enough. I am ignoring you. Be happy and cheerful. Grin

By people like you, I am referring to enthusiastic supporters of Nazism.

And by "people like me"...well, my name is Avram - so draw your own conclusions.

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Quote from: 5flags on April 24, 2014, 03:17:22 AM

For those of you not familiar with the BNP, the BNP is the UK's Neo-Nazi party.

"A racist, violent neo-nazi to the end: BNP founder Tyndall dies"

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/20/otherparties.thefarright

Well Bryant, whilst I find your views and support of Neo-Nazism morally deplorable and intellectually stunted, at least you wear your brown shirt with pride. 75 years ago, people like you would have been rounding up people like me for transportation to Majdanek or Auschwitz, so I don't think we will find much common ground.

Don't understand any of this. Since when did South Asians rounded up Muslims to transport them to Majdanek? Anyway... I had enough. I am ignoring you. Be happy and cheerful. Grin

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 24, 2014, 03:07:19 AM

I would have voted for the BNP, but I live in South Asia.

For those of you not familiar with the BNP, the BNP is the UK's Neo-Nazi party.

"A racist, violent neo-nazi to the end: BNP founder Tyndall dies"

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/20/otherparties.thefarright

Well Bryant, whilst I find your views and support of Neo-Nazism morally deplorable and intellectually stunted, at least you wear your brown shirt with pride. 75 years ago, people like you would have been rounding up people like me for transportation to Majdanek or Auschwitz, so I don't think we will find much common ground.

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Quote from: 5flags on April 24, 2014, 03:06:02 AM

Wow, you're really impressive in your hatred of "the other". If you're not peddling pro-Israeli hasbara or Islamophobia, you're peddling good ol' fashioned Xeonophobia.

You vote BNP by any chance?

I don't care what you think and I definitely don't support uncontrolled immigration. I would have voted for the BNP, but I live in South Asia.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 23, 2014, 10:40:55 AM

Perhaps the Scots are tired of uncontrolled immigration from Asia and Africa which is turning the UK to a minority-dominated country. According to the last census, only about 75% of the England's population was White British.

Wow, you're really impressive in your hatred of "the other". If you're not peddling pro-Israeli hasbara or Islamophobia, you're peddling good ol' fashioned Xeonophobia.

You vote BNP by any chance?

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Quote from: practicaldreamer on April 23, 2014, 10:13:03 AM

Always the way with nationalism - and thats whats driving this, lets not forget, good old fashioned flag waving nationalism.

Perhaps the Scots are tired of uncontrolled immigration from Asia and Africa which is turning the UK to a minority-dominated country. According to the last census, only about 75% of the England's population was White British.

An example here:

http://rt.com/news/schools-discriminate-non-muslims-552/

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I hope there's a big turnout for no TBH.

If its a yes - and if in 10 years time the dream has become the bleak economic reality, who will then be held responsible for Scotlands woes ?
Thats right - the "English" (whoever they are, by the way) it will be still.
Always the way with nationalism - and thats whats driving this, lets not forget, good old fashioned flag waving nationalism.

Unless of course Salmond comes out and says he'll get round the currency issue by adopting BTC Cheesy

- then I'd hope for a "Yes" vote.

A further devolvement of power and PR in Westminster would be much more a positive move in my book - and united we stand...

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I seriously hope there's a big turnout for yes, I do support Scottish independence but I think that it would make an even better statment about how utterly detached UK politicians are from the real world.

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Scotland on the brink of voting for independence as latest poll shows gap between 'yes' and 'no' campaigns has almost closed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609186/Darlings-pro-union-campaign-dismal-Senior-Tories-alarmed-former-Labour-Chancellors-lacklustre-performance.html

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Scotland could be on the verge of voting for independence in the upcoming referendum on its future in the Union after a recent poll showed the gap between rival campaigns had almost closed. The dismal polling for unionists has led to senior Tories to push for Alistair Darling to be sidelined as head of the campaign to keep Scotland in the UK, amid growing concerns about his performance.

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What will happen? Will Scotland become independent?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/independence-referendum-yes-no-votes-3437667

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WITH only 149 days to go until the Scottish referendum in September, the latest figures show there's only four per cent between Yes and No votes, prompting bookies to slash the odds of a Yes vote to a lowly 9/4.

Support for the independence is very high in the Highlands and Islands, while Unionists are more prevalent in the Southern lowlands.

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