Topic: Sea Piracy, it's effect on the local economy - page 3. (Read 838 times)

I believe that piracy still thrives on the ocean because there are powerful individuals that benefits from the criminal activities, if it's not so then the illegal and criminal business will not still be active today, because most of these countries have naval forces that can combat these criminals. Most of these pirates might have been ordinary fishermen that were brainwashed and trained into carrying arms and terrorising genuine ship crews who are doing their legitimate businesses. You'd wonder who arms them with sophisticated weapons and teaches them the commando styles of seizing ships and kidnapping their crews for ransom. Most crimes of theses magnitudes are highly organized, so there has to be deeper questions to be answered in order to find a lasting solution to the menace of these pirates, if not I think that it'll continue business as usual.

What are you talking about?! You can't talk about China like that! Or you'll get to the point that in China Muslims are persecuted ! And this is a completely different case, so what if more than a million Muslims are persecuted OPENLY and LAWFULLY ! In Hamas propaganda methodology it is written "in everything everywhere and always Jews are to blame, others are not to blame", remember, you can't think otherwise ! And if others torture Muslims, especially if they are tortured and persecuted in China - then they are wrong Muslims, and their fate "fighters against Israel" are not interested in
Or maybe you can say that Chinese seiners steal the most fish in the coastal zone of the African continent ? Or that Chinese companies have been plundering the resources of African countries for more than 10 years ? Fi how ugly it is to think like that ! You can't think like that - tell everyone that these are Israeli seiners and companies. Hamas never lies or cheats ! 
Or you must be a supporter of Israel too 

The good thing is that it seems that the time of the terrorist groups of the Hussites is running out. And most will end their lives unexpectedly.... Waiting for unexpected "greetings" from the U.S. Navy

PS According to Hamas propaganda - Iran and their terrorist accomplices have long ago easily and guaranteed to destroy all US Navy ships   

Ironic point I have to make about piracy in effect is the theft of sea fish stock by sovereign nations far out weighs the damage done by tribal groups with fast boats and guns.     Primarily I would use China as an example because they have been known to take over the coast line fishing of East Africa, due to their ongoing wars and lack of personal representation or a strong navy the nations there see a continual raiding of their natural resources by boats thousands of miles from home.   Somalia or similar countries then have a problem with poverty, a civil war situation and an excessive amount of guns with no governmental control; all these factors breed the problem of piracy and violence vs ships passing nearby to the nation even in international waters.

BP has stopped all shipping in the Red sea in light of repeated attacks on shipping and increased danger in the region.   Its bad news for everyone in the end as it will raise prices and cost of insurance to operate as well as endanger long suffering crew who have no larger part in the actions.

What this doesn't work?


Work everytime...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4mTRSRtr4E

We've got more bad news for the apartheid regime occupying Palestine and its Zionist supporters as more people around the world are starting to refer to Israel as a terrorist organization. The most recent one was the head of the Catholic Church, Pope Francis when he refers to Israel's actions against Palestinians as terrorism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXHte30VVqE

On another bad news for Zionists, we now know that the Armed Forces of Yemen successfully prevented all shipments being sent to the terrorist organization commonly known as Israel over the past couple of weeks.
And as we can see from the live maps from https://www.marinetraffic.com/ the maritime traffic passing through Yemenis waters, Red Sea and Suez Canal are normal like they've always been. The only change is the shipments that are headed for the terrorist organization have to go around the African continent and face actual sea pirates.

3 news on the topic:
1. The greatest harm from the terrorism of the Yemeni Houthis, has come not from Israel but ... EGYPT ! As a beneficiary of the passage of merchant ships, through the Suez Canal, where traffic is greatly reduced due to risks and companies choose the route around the African continent.
2. the good news is that the US has decided to clean up the Red Sea. Perhaps at the same time and restore lawful order in Yemen, after the destruction of terrorist gangs.
3. Iran will lose another of its "terrorist nurturers" and the opportunity to negatively influence the region.

Very often there is a link between the wealth of a region and the low levels of criminality there, and this is because if everyone benefits from the system in place, it is for the best of everyone living there to follow the rules and keep things going.

However if there is a high criminality on a specific region, and what you have worked so hard to make can be stolen from you by a thug, what is the purpose of working so hard when you can lose everything in seconds? So this is a massive obstacle to the development of the economy there, and while piracy can bring some short term profits to whoever decides to perform this activity, not only the short term costs can be very high, like being jailed, maimed or killed, but the long term costs are very high as well, therefore we must think of it as a crime that benefits no one, including the people directly involved on it that may seem to benefit from it.

 

You are very bad at manipulating information, have you not been told ?

You haven't cited a single document that explicitly states the ACKNOWLEDGEMENT that Israel is an aggressor country and is implementing the concept of apartheid. There is a vague wording. I hope you understand the difference between e.g. a theorem and an axiom ? between an assumption/assumption and a clear recognition. Again, re-read what you cited and point out the line where Israel is clearly defined and recognized as what you want it to be ?
And again - give a clear definition of apartheid, and show how that description "overlaps" with Israel ? With the facts that Palestinians/Arabs and other peoples live, coexist, work and use common stores, hospitals, schools. I'm going to assume that you just couldn't understand what apartheid is and you were just told in propaganda and you keep repeating it. It's like Russian propaganda since 2014 tried to put into your heads that for example in Ukraine there is a Nazi regime, xenophobia, persecution on the national and linguistic principle.  
By the way, here's another FACT: after Israel was recognized as a state, neighboring Arab countries began to expel Jews from their countries on the basis of nationality. Examples (country/number of Jews before 1948/number of Jews):
Mapoккo/265.000/2.000
Algeria/140,000/1,000
Tunisia/150,000/150
Libya/38,000/0
Egypt/75,000/500
Yemen/55,000/100
Iraq/150,000/50
Syria/40.000/0
Lebanon/20,000/100
...
Care to tell us about the apartheid regime in these countries ? Or "that's different"?

At this time - at the beginning of May 2022 - the population of Israel was 9,506,000, of which 73.9% were Jews and 21.1% were Arabs

There is no point in explaining to you if you have no understanding of basic concepts, and your head is a mess of scraps of minimal knowledge, mixed with primitive propaganda ?!

PS Pentagon is considering strikes on military installations of terrorist gangs-formations of Hussites in response to attacks on civilian ships. Looks like it's time for the Hussites to get ready to migrate to the "other world"....

Pirates must be eradicated from their roots because they are very detrimental to fishermen and ships that cross international routes by sea. I think the government really has to step in to handle this at the borders of each country so that sea lanes can continue to be safe and not hinder the circulation of the world economy in any way. I quite agree that all pirates should be exterminated by the government by deploying all naval military forces because they are of no use to anyone or their own country.

What rule of law is in one of the least developed countries in the world? With an average annual income of $500 is one of the poorest countries in the world, and where the poverty is high there are many illegal activities. I guess we can say that their government is making sure things to stay like that because they have fingers in everything, they are just on top of the food chain.


We always have a choice, but sometimes we are forced to choose the lesser of two evils... Sometimes it can be pretty hard to pick the most ethical path, I would say it's especially hard for people with empty stomachs.

While reading the OP post and going through the topic, Pablo Escobar came to my mind, and how he invested drug money in his hometown. Illegal activities are everywhere around and if done on some high level they bring a lot of money into the local economy... and I can say that we can conclude that governments are included in those illegal activities, in one way or another. But while many people think that we need stricter rules and more police I don't think that can help much... just look at the wars on drugs. After +50 years there are more drugs and more criminals.

Places like this where such act is taking place government are aware things are taking place and I still wonder why nothing is being done about it, we have the naval officers and marine officers what is their duty. Year to year piracy keeps happening and it is affecting life, travellers are dieing, going through alot by losing their goods to this sea pirate. I think the government the government needs to look into this to reduce the rate of this act.

Actually it is the people that make rules and the government are just nodding to what their people are doing. There is still government on them but there is no strict enforcement of rule to th because civil war is already there. It is a lawless land and the government do nothinv with it because they are benefiting from the sea piracy's money. It is always huge money that is involve there and their economy wont survive or will stay low if there will be no other source of income for their people.

Of course, the sea piracy is not only helping the pirates themselves, but also the families behind them and with all the new money they get and spend in their country this will also help the government. When it comes to the countries where they pirates are based, there is usually a lot of political turmoil and no stable leadership. Small factions fighting against each other and also relying on sources of income that are usually either selling precious resources or like in this case sea piracy. The insurance sums the pirates can get for these large container ships is huge and will be life changing that makes up for the risk they take. Just recently the whole pirate issue got worse again when the Houthi rebels from Yemen started to attack ships in the Red Sea with missiles. It's one thing to try and steal the whole ship, and something else blocking sea routes by attacking container ships. In any case the response is very costly as either several military vessels need to be dispatched, or the ships would have to take longer routes. 

I don’t think they have that much adverse effect to marine trading/faring since people and navigators have made contingencies to avoid these pirates, particularly those close to Somalia since they are the most notorious ones out there. Whatever effect they may pose, I think it’s only isolated for that party. For instance, if a private carrier ship’s hijacked for its contents and goods, I suppose the only one that’s gonna be in the ringer for that is the private company itself, and perhaps the local government held responsible for negotiating with these pirates if possible.

Hhmm, are you sure about that? But why I think they are? Can't you see in the films that there are treasure of gold being robbed by the pirates? Maybe that also happens in real life, but it doesn't being talked about often compared to the other activities that you lists there. With that said, there is no real need on discussing them. Ships being hi-jacked are being reported in the news sometimes. This is how important they are and there are actually talks about how they affect the economy of one's country.

I think, how they managed the assets that they get, doesn't really matter. And what about those other activities that you mentioned there? Do you think the people who does them, knows how to managed their money properly? I don't really think so.

I don't really see any way that see piracy afffect the economy of a nation. Just like you have written, many of the stolen money and kidnapped people are only minute among what could make a country's economy to collapse. There are many things we need to keep our eyes one that could make a country economy to fall. Corruption and bad government is the major way that can affect the economy of a country to fall and come into recession. The inflow and outflow is another reasons that can contribute to fall of a country's economy.

I agree with you OP there is always an option for those who want to change themselves. We all know that in ships many goods are transferred and all that has high prices if someone grabs that ship and sells it in the black market they will earn millions of dollars so why someone will leave this opportunity for a few dollars salary per month? Ships are the best option for trading as it takes less time and less cost as compared to airplanes but the issue is these sea payrats who steel these shipes. I think the better solution for this is to take serious action and make a special sea force for those places where the chance of pay is high or another possible solution is to provide jobs to them on these ships so that they will never repeat it.

The easiest and most cost-effective means of importing and exporting goods is by sea. A study shows that shipping companies face huge financial losses every year in their shipping industry. Some of the reasons for facing huge financial losses include Somalia pirate attacks as well as shipwrecks. Somali pirates are generally very aggressive and target ships that carry large amounts of valuable goods. Pirates take those ships and demand huge ransoms, and when the shipping industry pays the ransom, they release the ships. Due to pirate attacks and extra money paid to pirates, many shipping industries shut down their operations, but with the advancement of technology, some advanced security systems have been added to the ships to prevent pirates from attacking the ships. Due to the use of advanced technology in ships, the presence of pirates has reduced a lot.

Countries that face this high level of piracy are mostly those without a sustainable rule of law. The people behind the piracy are been encouraged by other top officials who is real sense disguise themselves and fight pirates only in their chambers while protecting the real ones on the seas because of the wealth they acquire from those pirates that engage in those acts. I don’t see anything hard in wielding the sword against pirates, but you can’t harm them because they are being protected from the inside .

Tons of items and costs to make a shipment transportation and if the pirates stole those baggage it a big loss to them including the fees, and the items, base on second-hand experience of a fried there's really a pirate right there and they tried to depend the ship but of course not all the time they can because of the number and the equipment of the pirates so they let them get the items but of course its different story if they stole the ship itself. Most of the countries have support from their marine soldiers they are the one and responsible for the safety of the shipments and the sea itself to the people who want to commit an illegal in the land of the sea. Base on my country I didn't hear a news related on it that they caught pirates on hand and send to jail.